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allquixotic

23:01

@noitsbecky no; lxc stop cavil

@Bob true but I want to show them how it's possible to run a new binary on an old system

currently stymied by a segfault after successfully loading every dynamic library from the current dir (from 16.04) on a centos 6 container... I'm worried I might be wrong but it could be hack-around-able

when in doubt go for the hackaround

noitsbecky

@allquixotic Why would you do such a cruel thing :-((

Bob

@allquixotic is nested lxd a thing? :P

allquixotic

23:16

Bob

nice

allquixotic

it's been buggy but recent releases it should be basically perfect, or at least no more broken than non-nested lxd

Bob

I still need to set it up sometime :P

@allquixotic does it 'just work'?

allquixotic

they also added a bespoke container network management API

Bob

or do you have to turn on some nested virt option?

I suppose they share a kernel anyway...

allquixotic

23:18

@Bob with modernish ubuntu container guest images, yeah, but with containers it often matters what the guest is doing

no hypervisor or hw virt or anything like that (although you could in theory pass kvm into a container; eww)

it just won't work if you don't use a modern host and guest so you don't accidentally lose critical permissions for nesting along the way

Bob

@allquixotic my ideal world is where I can keep running Debian as the main host, and chuck (Debian|Ubuntu|Fedora|.*) in containers :P

allquixotic

@Bob yeah... I'm mostly a Ubuntu 16.04 on Ubuntu 16.04 shop as far as my LXD config right now, but CentOS 6 is working well

I've even got heterogeneous network topology going: most every container gets a macvlan pipe to have a public IP, but CentOS gets a NAT'ed pipe and no public IP of its own

Bob

@allquixotic I've pretty much put server changes on hold until I can get the AU one up

Then I'll probably migrate most things (lower latency) and consider ditching the US/CA one.

allquixotic

I'm locked in for a year to a SP-128-S in Canada but might move to New York OVH if they ever open that DC by next year

Bob

@allquixotic Yea... the AU one opened for preorders last year with a promise of Oct (Nov?) delivery, but it's been delayed. They're supposedly still trying to get DDoS protection up, and they really want that first because of the recent bigger attacks.

But I'm not cancelling the order just yet, because I honestly want them here.

allquixotic

23:23

preorders for NYC aren't even open

Bob

Some local providers have tried to match their offer. I bet prices will go right back up if OVH pulls out.

And, heck. I'm not exactly desperate to get ~$100 back from cancelling the order when I've already set it aside for monthly payments...

allquixotic

@Bob are they competitive with OVH in Canada, after currency conversion?

Bob

@allquixotic Lowest tier is similarly priced to Canada, but worse specs.

allquixotic

lol

Bob

ovh.ie/discover/australia.xml

32 GB RAM

oh, minus 20% VAT from the page btw

allquixotic

23:24

@Bob So apparently, in Australia, RAM is more expensive /sarc

Bob

And bandwidth is not unlimited, but that's the norm here.

E3-1245v5

Can't remember what the SP-64S had

Oh, SP-32 has a E3 1231v3

So the AU one is better than that at least...

but yea SP-64 is an E5

allquixotic

well my current box is a low-end Ivy (low clock), so if my guild starts barking for me to set up a dedicated server for some CPU-intensive game, I'll just start a gofundme or something and give them a bill and say "pay up or it isn't happening"

definitely no minecraft

Bob

ark.intel.com/m/compare/82764,88173

@allquixotic If it's not 24/7, maybe host on AWS?

allquixotic

@Bob VM network latency

actually an SP-32 (hopefully in New York soon) would do fine for gaming... just need a dedicated modern CPU

Bob

@allquixotic Does it practically matter that much?

allquixotic

23:29

don't need storage, don't need much bandwidth, just need low latency bare metal CPU

@Bob for FPSes? oh yes, most definitely

adds 5-10ms

every msec counts

Bob

@allquixotic That much? o.O

allquixotic

@Bob well... the hideously expensive AWS "dedicated" instances, no, because you're not sharing a box with other tenants

but other tenants can give you some pretty bad latency headaches on shared boxes

they claim they don't, but they do

Bob

@allquixotic the AU one apparently achieves similar benchmark scores cpubenchmark.net/…

smaller cache, etc., though

and much lower TDP

then again, it's v3 vs v5

@allquixotic for FPSes you might actually be better off just renting slots off a gaming host

@allquixotic ehhh.

allquixotic

@Bob $40/month for like 8 people, with extremely RAM-constrained instances on CPU-pegged boxes? yeah, no thanks

Bob

<== plays CS:GO with latency varying from 30ms RTT to 70ms RTT

allquixotic

23:33

gaming "hosts" are ridiculously overpriced... one of the worst values out there

Bob

and let's not speak of Melbourne Insurgency servers at 70-100ms RTT

@allquixotic ok... now that's not right :P

your basic CS:GO server runs at something like $1/slot/month (though that's probably one of the less-demanding servers)

of course, this wouldn't be a particularly flexible choice *shrug*

tereško

23:52

that's it, I have had enough internet for today

Journeyman Geek

._.

@tereško dude, NSFS warning! ;p

@Bob heh. BL2 slows down in open areas. Had to turn view distance from very far to far.

Other than that...

allquixotic

NSF*

Bob

@JourneymanGeek I wonder if I'll cope any better with that :P

Journeyman Geek

@Bob I didn't run into major issues before thousand cuts

and maybe overlook

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