Root Access

Anna duh

00:03

I'm a caaaaaaaaaaaaat

Journeyman Geek

..... ponders changing @Annaduh's main site to SU and their nick to mittens

@allquicatic Bit of context - Gareth essentially single handedly fixed every single broken image on the site at one point

Burgi

@JourneymanGeek dooo iiiiit!!!!!!

Journeyman Geek

@Burgi that's actual abuse of my mod powers.

and now that I've said it, I'd get caught

Burgi

@BenN could do it...

;)

Ben N

Heh, sorry

Anna duh

00:11

Does that mean the mod that originally changed my name to "Dog" was abusing his powers too?

Ben N

If you felt strongly enough about that user showing up as "mittens" you could write a userscript ;)

Burgi

my floor at work has finally been shown the new company website that my and my minion were expressly forbidden from working on....

its awful

Ben N

2

A: Name changing rate limit can be circumvented in chat by changing parent site

Just to follow up on this. Woke up to a massive drama fest related to this, and it really is a superuser/root access issue so... The user in question has been told I reserve the right to switch their account back to the one on superuser. Its disruptive as hell and Its un-necessary drama. He's a...

Bob

@Annaduh That's literally what RDG is for :P

Anna duh

OK Extreme networks' wireless APs are extreme(ly) good

Burgi

00:14

they have an unskippable 5 page splash screen

Ben N

Oh dear

Journeyman Geek

@Annaduh no one changed your name to dog. We might have propagated your profile on one site to all the sites, but AFAIK it didn't quite take.

Burgi

and the main page is a tiled grid of news articles that change at random every 2 seconds

Bob

> splash screen
> website

Burgi

its 5 separate slides

Bob

00:16

ParseError: Unexpected identifier "splash" at BurgiMessages:33652919:33

Anna duh

@JourneymanGeek Actually a mod changed my name to Dog

Journeyman Geek

@Annaduh not as far as I know.

Anna duh

I never set it to "Dog" the first time

Journeyman Geek

Totally was not me.

Anna duh

I know it wasn't you

Journeyman Geek

00:17

Yup

whoeover it was, bravo.

But I have no clue who it was

Anna duh

It was either jokerdino or art of code, and you were there when it happened

Journeyman Geek

ahh You asked for it

Ben N

For what it's worth, I'm pretty sure chat mods can't set your name directly; they'd have to change your name on a site and then assign your parent user as that site

Anna duh

@JourneymanGeek THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID

Ben N

But I might be missing something

Journeyman Geek

00:20

I mean if you said "change my nick to mittens" and I asked "Are you sure?" and you said "yes" I'd totally change your name to mittens.

Burgi

meh, who care

s

Bob

@Annaduh ...I was trying to search for that but I think I crashed SEChat search

Anna duh

@JourneymanGeek Ah but only I could change it on other sites!

Journeyman Geek

Also, I see underflows was being creepy again.

Anna duh

@Bob :-o

Journeyman Geek

00:21

and we have a new chat user.

Anna duh

@JourneymanGeek What when where how

Bob

That was page 48.

Journeyman Geek

lol

Bob

Page 47 was fine. 50 was fine.

Anna duh

lol

Bob

00:22

48 worked on the 3rd refresh...

Burgi

don't new users have to go through the "initiation"?

Anna duh

I wonder who the other two dogs are

Burgi

i want to know who the other @Burgi is....

Anna duh

I'd happily take the name Mittens but I really like being Anna

Burgi

@JourneymanGeek THAT'S CONSENT!

Journeyman Geek

00:23

Burgi

awwww

your chauffeur looks a little tired @JourneymanGeek

i was trying to think of a pun with chauffeur and Schnauzer and totally failed

Journeyman Geek

lol that's waiting for granpa at the airport

he gets... impatient.

Burgi

i couldn't see where overflows was being creepy....

> BAYGON! Getting rid of your ex since 1992

Journeyman Geek

@Burgi right around where @Annaduh changed their nick and ava

@Burgi stop dating cockroaches.

Burgi

@JourneymanGeek that explains a great many things....

Journeyman Geek

00:36

ps. those arn't eyelashes. those are antennae.

Bob

oh wait

Burgi

@JourneymanGeek i wouldn't say creepy....

Bob

black friday is this week

not last week

whoops

Anna duh

@JourneymanGeek Oh I see it now

The "She's pretty I'd marry her" bit

Journeyman Geek

yeah.

Burgi

00:38

wait.... i see it now

i thought you meant the one above that...

5 hours ago, by CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

true, let me attach you a pipe to route the code through my interpreter, and into your input

maybe my level of acceptable creepiness is higher...

Journeyman Geek

or lower

Well, If I had been there, that would have at least merited a dude, uncool...

Burgi

point

you'd have had to say the same to djsmiley as well though

Anna duh

@Burgi For saying "who is she, I mean sure she's cute."?!

Burgi

its roughly the same sort of context...

sorry, i'm over analyzing your moderation....

Journeyman Geek

This isn't really moderation tho

Moderation is suspending someone for it ;p

this is... an observation

Burgi

00:44

i bet you have a dossier on us all

like batman has on all the justice league memebers

Anna duh

What kind of crazy PC gone mad world have I been born into :-(

Journeyman Geek

@Annaduh er I'm not saying "don't do this" or "OMG TRIGGERED"

I'm saying I found it creepy

Burgi

is black friday when we all have to listen to rebecca black?

Journeyman Geek

Even as a mod, I'm entitled to an opinion

@Burgi yes.

Burgi

THE HORROR!!!!!!!

Friday - Rebecca Black - Official Music Video

►

Journeyman Geek

00:47

@Burgi I just have a decent memory

Burgi

and an NSA style dossier taps nose mum's the word ;)

yay! new slowmo guys

user285oo6

hi every1 had a question regarding Open Office setting default font's,size.I have read this url here wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/FAQ/Writer/… and it says to click on OpenOffice.org Writer whereas I'm not getting that option itself so what do i do now

Bob

@user285oo6 sounds like a question for Super User

Or just browse through the options until you find it.

Burgi

@user285oo6 hint, there is an option called "fonts" there....

user285oo6

@Burgi but it doesn't give the same options like the one on the site

Burgi

00:59

which app are you in?

user285oo6

@Burgi Open office

Burgi

and which sub app...? writer?

user285oo6

@Bob no question there

Bob

@Burgi not used OOo in a while, but if it's anything like MSO then Fonts probably refers to general font settings and not the font size in the default template/style

@user285oo6 Either you should ask the question on Super User, or you should browse through the available options within OOo until you find it.

When I say "browse through the options", I'm not talking about existing SU questions.

And all existing SU questions must be asked by someone.

user285oo6

@Burgi Impress

Burgi

01:02

you need to be in writer

user285oo6

@Burgi ok ya got but how to do the same in Impress because for every slide i have to change the font,size

Bob

sigh.

Anna duh

WTF does omg triggered even mean

Bob

Now I feel like pulling a @JourneymanGeek

Anna duh

@Bob Explain

bwDraco

01:05

The latest Firefox Developer Edition update is buggy as all heck. I just experienced two tab crashes in a row with my Best Buy profile page open.

Bob

@Annaduh Telling people to not ask questions on chat when they're suitable for main.

Burgi

@user285oo6 hit F11 in impress, select the font you want to edit and hit modify

Bob

I'm alright dealing with troubleshooting questions on chat cause it doesn't work well in Q&A, but this is really a question that should be asked on main.

bwDraco

Mobile Firefox (stable release) has been extremely unstable the last few days as well. It's crashing regularly with even moderately intensive browsing (10-15 tabs).

Burgi

if you ask the question on the main site i'll give you a better answer

user285oo6

01:06

@Bob ya working on it

Burgi

@bwDraco the stable version was giving me weird JS errors this afternoon

bedtime

nn

Bob

@bwDraco That reminds me, I need to update sometime. Meh, let's see how it handles my ~600 tabs

I honestly have no idea how many tabs I have on mobile FF now :P

@Annaduh Depends if it's being used ironically (?) or not.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob hence the thing where I get annoyed at people unfamiliar with chat doing that

people familiar with chat will know this is not a place for quick questions

Bob

@JourneymanGeek eh, I see leeway for really quick'n'dirty, and ones that don't work well on main.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob and knowing what you can get away with

Bob

01:14

@JourneymanGeek Admittedly, I've used chat a couple times for "anyone happen to know..." questions when the first search doesn't hit anything but I'm still in the middle of searching :P

And more often for seemingly-obscure errors... yay troubleshooting... -_-

Hm. I need to make self-answered Qs for some of those actually

Journeyman Geek

troubleshooting is different

and well

I personally give regulars more leeway ;p

heh

@Bob turns out the blade stealth 2016 just came out

which explains the niceish discount on the old model ;p

(but I'm cool with it ;p)

(kalby lake, twice the ram, but meh, 8gb is good enough)

Bob

@JourneymanGeek ahhh

@JourneymanGeek urk. yea, I personally feel the squeeze with 8 :P

even though I run tablets with 2/4, but I don't do anything heavy on those :P

is the RAM upgradeable?

or soldered?

Journeyman Geek

soldered

@Bob I don't, and well my main pain point with the x220 was the screen

battery's supposed to be only something like 6 hours, but that's fine

especially if USB PD powerbanks become a thing ;p

they should, right? ;p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek main problem these days is webpages becoming bigger

so RAM is the most likely thing to become an issue in, say, 5 years

Journeyman Geek

0_0

in 5 years, I'll buy a new laptop and switch this to a secondary

Athena II's getting a new battery and passed to dad

Bob

01:24

@JourneymanGeek not seeing them yet :\

@JourneymanGeek fine, 3 years :P

Journeyman Geek

apparently dell USED to have one

Bob

actually really hard to predict

Anna duh

@Bob Oh I do that all the time

Bob

massive jumps since 2013, but dunno if it'll slow down

Journeyman Geek

@Annaduh you monster

Bob

01:24

@JourneymanGeek uhhhh

most powerbanks are like 10, maybe 20 Ah

say 70 Wh at the higher end

your laptop battery is 53 Wh

accounting for inefficiency, maaaaaaybe one full charge

Journeyman Geek

;p

good enough

Anna duh

Quick question guys

Journeyman Geek

also, the 45W charger for the stealth is tiny

Bob

but USB-PD would require stepping ~3.7V up to 15-20V, which sounds like it would be pretty inefficient to me

Anna duh

Is chat a good place for quick questions

Journeyman Geek

01:26

@Annaduh No, go away n00b.

@Bob true

Anna duh

@Bob Unless they're connected in series

After all, 12-16v laptop batteries don't step up 3.7v...

Bob

@Annaduh true, but PD would also have to handle 5V, etc

so maybe they'll have it at ~7.4V

or maybe just optimise for the higher power devices

slap a USB-PD controller on a laptop battery? :P

Journeyman Geek

;p

that makes an odd amount of sense

Bob

@Annaduh I actually have no idea how a buck-boost converter compares to a pure boost converter (re: complexity, efficiency, etc.)

Anna duh

@Bob Stepping down would still be more efficient though

Journeyman Geek

01:29

since ultrabook batteries are probably tiny

Anna duh

Also, 3 cells typically means 10v-ish

Bob

@Annaduh oh yea

Anna duh

Not sure what configuration the ones you're talking about are, mine all come in 3xn

Journeyman Geek

I wonder if switching battery topoligies on role makes sense

charge in parallel for 5V in, and discharge in series....

Bob

@Annaduh the ones I've taken apart were all 1s/4p :\

though I haven't pulled any QC ones apart yet

considering I only have the one QC powerbank that arrived a couple weeks ago :P

Anna duh

01:31

@Bob My Anker quick charge one is 3s

Bob

@JourneymanGeek presumably it'd charge with USB-PD too

@Annaduh ah

Anna duh

@JourneymanGeek You'd require a more complex controller, but I don't see why that's not possible

Journeyman Geek

@Bob hm, apparently razer's making a stealth compatable powerbank

Anna duh

I've got a laptop battery with built-in balancing, 3s2p, could voltage balance each pair of cells

Bob

@Annaduh I think the newer ones I have all switched to pouch

which reminds me, I should toss out some of those ultrafire 18650s before they live up to their name

skeith

01:46

Hello, sorry for asking such question (i don't know if this allowed, please forgive me, if it doesn't). Can I just install Apache while having nginx running listening port 80?

*ubuntu 16.04

Journeyman Geek

Yes. Just set it up to listen to another port.

Its a very common config actually, when running multiple web services

skeith

it would ask for other port right, I mean, apache would refuse to activate as there's nginx on 80 right

Bob

@skeith It would fail to bind port 80 and give you an error.

It won't ask you for anything.

You need to go edit the configs.

skeith

awesome, thanks @JourneymanGeek and @Bob

Journeyman Geek

or on next boot, apache starts first and ngnix won't start

skeith

01:49

I hate when a package default and depends on apache and fails the install

rip english

Journeyman Geek

@skeith eh, that's poor design in many cases.

and that's the sort of package I suspect running in a container or VM would be a great idea

skeith

the package do support and provide nginx config

i don't know why the devs default to apache while installing

and I wastes several hour on it

Anna duh

@Bob Hmm, I've not seen any of those actually

Journeyman Geek

@skeith could tell it to list dependancies, ignore dependancies and install dependancies specifically and configure it by hand

Bob

@Annaduh Xiaomi slim stuff, definitely. I think the Tronsmart QC/Type-C one I recently got is too.

Though the Tronsmart *might* be prismatic

It's too thin to be 18650...

and other cylindrical sizes don't make much sense

skeith

01:55

I saw one of the dev response on their forum about the install fails because apache isn't installed, the dev said, it shouldn't do that, well, it does. I guess they did not realize it until now

Bob

@skeith you're lucky there

there's lots of stuff that relies on .htaccess, or some weird mod_php quirk

I'm running ownCloud on Apache httpd even though I usually prefer nginx

Because I'm too lazy to try to translate security-relevant .htaccess configs

which reminds me, I need to set up letsencrypt sometime

skeith

I feel you.
Why do everything assume I uses Apache? why nginx is so ... uhh nvm

Journeyman Geek

@skeith cause apache is more popular

and ngnix occationally does funny stuff with features/licences

I run lighttpd, which gets little love

but is perfect for 90% of what I do

skeith

I was apache user back then when I am still using shared hosting

then a friend told me to learn using a VPS and nginx

since then, I use nginx

Journeyman Geek

lol

I switched to lighttpd cause I got a VPS

my current low end dedi can handle apache but why mess with what works..

skeith

02:04

*whispering

my friend was a nginx fanatic

Bob

I don't run apache because the standrd there is apparently mod_php, and I hate mixing the script engine into the webserver

Heck, even IIS/ASP.NET doesn't do that anymore!

(Well, technically, that's not recommended for Apache now either, but most default installs still do...)

2

Q: What does the lightning bolt mean?

There is a lightning bolt icon flashing on the top right of my screen. What does it mean? Here's a picture:

Severe weather alert. o_O — goldilocks ♦ 1 hour ago

skeith

Thanks for all the help guys

appreciate it

Journeyman Geek

heh

I swear my mom and dad are using my kindle more than I am at the moment ;p

Bob

02:24

@JourneymanGeek mine's sitting ... somewhere

th only thing I have on it is that xkcd what-if book :\

the e-ink is nice, but my phone is convenient

Psycogeek

@JourneymanGeek sell them a subscription :-) sub leased

Journeyman Geek

02:36

@Bob at home I just use my PC

Journeyman Geek

02:48

@Bob I'm pretty certain my dad will eventually break down and buy one

Bob

lol

Tiny Giant

03:14

Are moderation questions on-topic in this room?

Journeyman Geek

kinda sorta

there's a seperate room for asking SU mods questions chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/114/ask-a-super-user-moderator but I'm not going to tell you to go away for it

Of course, SU moderation only

Tiny Giant

Migration suggestion?

Journeyman Geek

from or to SU? sure

Tiny Giant

From Stack Overflow, to SU

in SO Close Vote Reviewers on Stack Overflow Chat, 37 mins ago, by icecub

cv-pls php Off Topic -> Should be asked on Server Fault downgrade php from 5.5.28 to 5.4 on centos 6 64bits - Abby Khan‎ - 2016-11-22 01:29:51Z

They suggested server fault, but I can't find anyone over there

Journeyman Geek

We'd kick it back. Nowhere near enough information

and it feels like the OP ought to just run an older centos version with support for that.

annnd it feels like an XY question

Tiny Giant

03:19

Sounds good, thought I would ask.

Journeyman Geek

and no offence

but a good chunk of migration suggestions from SO are pretty bad

which is why SF isn't on the migration list any more

hmm

engadget.com/2016/11/21/apple-stops-making-wifi-routers

Not surprised

Anna duh

03:46

!!caaaaaaaaaaaaat

ChatBot John Cavil

@Annaduh That didn't make much sense. Maybe you meant: caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat, caaaaaaaaaat, caaaaaaaaat

Anna duh

!!caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat

ChatBot John Cavil

Anna duh

Apple's success is fading away just like their products...

Journeyman Geek

04:03

@Annaduh I wouldn't put it that far. Essentially though, feels like the sorta thing worth outsourcing anyway. Just get a cut for time capsule compatibility

Anna duh

Dftggywhycant I at

Urgh stupid swiftkey bugs

@Bob: my Tronsmart micro USB cable has now degraded to the point of no longer charging my S4 at full speed off the QC ports on my Aukey multi charger. Though it still gets pretty close (1.7-1.8A instead of 1.9).

But in any case, it seems the cable is starting to wear out atm

The Aukey cable is still fine, as is the much thinner Anker cable, though that one is kinda cheating since its only half the length

Bob

04:41

@Annaduh o.O

it's mostly been connector issues for me

Psycogeek

05:06

@Bob so did you ever discover if your LG IPS Led backlighted device, is brighter or darker than your AOLED samsung device, when viewing out in the sun or very bright indoors lighting?

Bob

05:17

@Psycogeek nup, haven't bothered testing

I've avoided turning on the G4 unless I really need it

don't want to break the thing... damn bootloops :\

Psycogeek

@Bob still use it, or eventually going to sell it (before it is worth 10cents :-)

Bob

@Psycogeek neither, just holding on to it for now

I don't sell my old phones. Too much trouble, and I've had to go pull stuff off them before.

Psycogeek

as like the spare should the other one ~~CRACK~~ have minor problems

I just change and close all my accounts, then give them a challenge :-)

Presentally I have lawsuits running against the largest chainstores in america.
I insist that they also have a White Friday sale.

Journeyman Geek

05:49

Why not a taupe tuesday sale?

or a Magenta Monday?

WHY DOTH TAUPE GET NO LOVE! COLOURISTS!

Psycogeek

cyan sunday

Bob

06:03

@JourneymanGeek White Wednesday?

oh wait...

Personally, I want a Teal Thursday

Psycogeek

06:17

I walked the dogs today, and fed the ducks . . . To the dogs :-)

bwDraco

06:42

Wow. Anna duh is Dog. Seriously?

I'm getting tired of these username changes.

Bob

ahhhh

how to deal with telemarketers

if they speak chinese, sound confused in english

if they speak english, sound confused in chinese

:)

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco we're aware of it. Please don't escalate.

bwDraco

I'm trying not to escalate it.

I learned from my mistake last time this happened.

allquicatic

07:42

@Annaduh Is it? Well, I guess it's sort of different on a per-product-line basis.

Routers business: dead. Desktop business: basically dead. TV business: doing okayish. Online goods (software, music) business: vibrant. Tablet business: stagnant. Laptop business: bad, but hanging in there. Phone business: Ridiculously profitable.

Bob

@allquicatic but a large part of the Apple draw was the ecosystem

would be... interesting... to see them go full phone, I suppose

dangerous, though. would only take one bad release to ruin a brand

Journeyman Geek

@allquicatic apple's desktop business is... Odd.

Their previous halo product gets barely any love. And iMacs are the Saabs of the PC world....

And really, there's only so much you can differentiate a aluminum slab....

Lol. I just gave a confused bank employee 2 cupcake vouchers

(my bank has a lucky draw thing. I could totally use grocery vouchers but I can't eat most store cupcakes. And it seemed like a random thing to do.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek ...wat

I feel like more context is required :P

Journeyman Geek

07:59

@Bob my bank has a lucky draw thing which requires me to go to a machine (ironically this one is at another bank) and key in a code. You win vouchers for various things. I got 2 cupcake vouchers and a 5 dollar supermarket voucher....

Andy K

morning

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