Root Access

Journeyman Geek

00:00

'twitch plays stackexchange'

Michael Frank

brb creating TwitchBot user ;)

Journeyman Geek

start by letting users do edits. Then let them do queues. Then watch as SE corporate decides ~~this is the greatest thing ever~~ we are a manace and suspends us all for a century each

actually, someone wrote an answerbot for a thesis IIRC

Michael Frank

Oh yea, no good could ever come from Twitch Playing SE. But the idea is cool.

Ben N

Bugchecked: In the queues with Ben N - 1 - Start with Close Votes

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The YouTube Channel Spamming service entered the running state.

bwDraco

Bought some chamomile tea. Hopefully this will tame my temperament a bit...

Journeyman Geek

00:36

Great Ball Contraption(GBC) at Japan Brickfest 2016

►

bwDraco

Your thoughts on chamomile?

!!/tea

ChatBot John Cavil

@bwDraco That didn't make much sense. Use the !!/help command to learn more.

bwDraco

!!/tea

ChatBot John Cavil

bwDraco

(I'm using Twinings of London, if you're curious.)

Michael Frank

00:57

Ceylon or bust. Earl Grey is gross. English Breakfast is acceptable.

Journeyman Geek

'tea ceylon hot' 'CEYLON NOT CYLON. CEYLON!!!!!!!!!!'

Bob

o.O

meanwhile... amazon.com/AriZona-Green-Ginseng-Sugar-Count/dp/B001THPU9E

that's for when I don't feel like burning my mouth :P

Journeyman Geek

hm. I'm not sure that would be considered tea in many civilised countries

in a few, they might actually take offense ;p

Michael Frank

@Bob All natural, eh?

Do you have V Energy Drink in AUS?

Bob

@MichaelFrank ya

crazy expensive though

Michael Frank

01:04

We just got this new one called V Pure, it's supposedly completely natural.

Bob

...never heard of it

also, wtf isn't natural

Journeyman Geek

what's a V?

2

Bob

LOL

Michael Frank

v.co.nz

@JourneymanGeek It's an energy drink.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Eh, you can keep your fancy teas - I've tried a bunch of different cold-brewed ones and they consistently taste like someone strained flower-water through a mouldy sock.

in fact I have three boxes right next to me... a single bag used from each

Journeyman Geek

01:07

V (1983 miniseries)

V (or V: The Original Miniseries) is a two-part science fiction television miniseries, written and directed by Kenneth Johnson. First shown in 1983, it initiated the science fiction franchise concerning aliens known as "The Visitors" trying to gain control of Earth, and of the ways the populace reacts to this. == Plot summary == A race of aliens arrive on Earth in a fleet of 50 huge, saucer-shaped motherships, which hover over major cities across the world. They reveal themselves on the roof of the United Nations building in New York City, appearing human but requiring special glasses to protect...

Bob

and a carton of other different types at home :\ (=> was trying them out)

Journeyman Geek

so it tastes like facist saliens?

@Bob the joke being ~~dogs can't drink~~ I don't like tea

Bob

oh yea, you did coffee

Journeyman Geek

01:19

ChatBot John Cavil

@allquixotic Command ladl learned

@allquixotic Command ladl forgotten.

@allquixotic Command ladl learned

allquixotic

!!ladl

ChatBot John Cavil

Journeyman Geek

what does ladl stand for?

Bob

licking a drink... lightly?

Journeyman Geek

01:27

ahh

Bob

@JourneymanGeek I dunno, I just made that up :P

@allquixotic?

That Brazilian Guy

26 mins ago, by Journeyman Geek

what's a V?

@JourneymanGeek A visage, no mere veneer of vanity, is a vestige of the “vox populi” now vacant, vanished. However, this valorous visitation of a bygone vexation stands vivified, and has vowed to vanquish these venal and virulent vermin, van guarding vice and vouchsafing the violently vicious and voracious violation of volition.

Journeyman Geek

hm. So it tastes like vaguely vaudevillian vandalism

That Brazilian Guy

Verily. A violent voice in a vendetta against villains.

Psycogeek

01:54

stupid question do my printers have to be on the same "subnet" when the print port is all still set to talk to them via what becomes a weird address to the computer? I am disconnecting the ICS (internet facing) computer, and going to attempt to connect Cable Modem to "home" switch.

the switch only ever was there for the 2 printers, and my (and the old xp) NAT computers , because the printers are off most the time, and use weird static addressing, I hope they wont much matter being also internet facing now.

Journeyman Geek

I think you still need a router somewhere

Psycogeek

oh crud, i was afraid of that. the ICS computer acted as the "router" like thing (with screen) before. and the person who used it is no more.

before it was power saving almost, that the computer which was on/used 70% of the time, was also the router. but now it is a power vaccume.

allquixotic

@Bob it's a phonetic pronunciation. "ladladladladladl"

Journeyman Geek

ahh

laplaplap

bwDraco

02:19

Night. This is much earlier than usual for me (you can thank the chamomile for that).

Rahul2001

Good Morning!

bwDraco

Alarms set as early as 6:45 am.

Rahul2001

Goodnight!

Journeyman Geek

@Psycogeek a cheapie 20-30 dollar router would do it. I've been toying with switching over to a x86 linux box to do all that tho

Psycogeek

03:16

found this, superuser.com/questions/1092447/… but for the most part Router is the first thing anyone thinks of. my computers could be concidered less hackable than a commonly known router, as the net facing one has only ever had one thing on it that did not belong. they dont share, remote capability is off, server and work station services are off, and much of the uninstalled windows components turned off thier . . .

. . . firewall openings on uninstall.

this would also be a temporary (months) arrangement, i am having to throw everything out already. anybody want a perfect build computer that is now totally obsolete

I just re-built that computer, and now i am going to (have to) part it all back out again, as selling it built doesnt usually work out very well. especially when it was purpose built.

cant even ping around here :-) some setting in the firewall can stop it from at least one direction.

Michael Frank

@Psycogeek Sounds like you're in a prison...

Psycogeek

The Last answer at the link there (and as usual lowest voted), points out that the router gives you the home addressing, seperate from the net addressing. but with only 1 computer and 2 printers there is no longer a "home network"

@MichaelFrank Cave Man. hey it has been "secure" for real, and for the most part trouble free. if both computers had the exact same data (instead of shared) it is called a backup :-)

initially systems designed using these (my) methods could not do any "direct connection" of any sort. so even DC messengers, skype and some browser based stuff would not even work. But since the high use of routers and all, these softwares find ways to Drill through all that :-)

Michael Frank

03:40

@Psycogeek Sounds like UPnP.

Journeyman Geek

hm

Psycogeek

if i remember right back in XP UPnP services were disabled here. win7 tended to have more interdependencies, and right now it is on.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob apparently the US one plus ones don't have the local LTE band

so... I'm going to wait for local release, see the price

and/or if someone is going to india, have it ordered and delivered locally there and get em to pick it up

ironically

Psycogeek

If i go to talk to my printer IP with the switch hooked to the Modem, it might very well try to talk to some similar ip on the web?

the printers can talk back, but for the most part that (bi-directional) was not on.

Journeyman Geek

errrrrrr

in theory no

Psycogeek

03:52

i am assuming with only 1 computer, there is only a need for 1 external IP address from the ISP, so even if my ISP alllows for more (they dont unless it is business) i only need 1 now. So that just leaves how talking to the specific wired IP based (non dhcp) printer port would work.

Journeyman Geek

in theory, you could go PC -> switch -> router

however If you have modem -> switch -> stuff, anything internet connected would somehow need two IPs on the same adaptor

or two adaptors, one for internets, one for the local lan

Psycogeek

and a router is a widdle computer, so if that theory would work, and get internet to a router, then it would get internet to a computer.

@JourneymanGeek right. so if the printers are on a completly different address (totally outside of that ISP subnet) but are being aimed by the spooler service to those IPs , then what happens?

Journeyman Geek

@Psycogeek there's no routing without a route

which you COULD set. Maybe.

Psycogeek

the printers wont be wandering about trying to find an address (DHCP), because they are (and always have been) locked static.

Rahul2001

The world is a very weird place...

Psycogeek

04:12

i would have to get an IP using DHCP from the ISP, through a switch. Somehow i can see the switch saying "where the heck do you want me to send this stuff" :-) So that might not be possible to begin with.

Michael Frank

@Psycogeek Wouldn't the switch just be like "PACKETS! Somebody take them! Anybody!"

Psycogeek

a hub is supposed to do that?

a switch tends to route them where they were supposed to go more. And switches are in routers?

I dont really know, because this was setup by me 20+ years ago, and just always worked, with the biggest diff, being a whole windows computer was the router (but not the switch in the router)

Michael Frank

Oh yea, a hub broadcasts to all ports. A switch knows what devices are on which ports by the MAC address.

Psycogeek

side note: the switch never cost me a penny of bandwidth , although it might have added some lag, i always got full speed through the switch and the windows computer as if neither were there.

Bob

an unmanaged pure layer 2 switch can be almost as fast as a bare wire

Psycogeek

04:34

superuser.com/questions/1092447/… "Without the router, that switch is going to try to give each PC on the network, it's own external facing IP address." but but but , the printers have a locked static address, and themselves would not be looking for one. The windows spooler service though (which can be turned off) always thinks it needs to see if they are there , on its own without asking or printing.

( I used to turn the spooler service off and on with a toggle button, because of that)

Bob

04:50

@Psycogeek ...the switch has nothing to do with it

a proper layer 2 switch doesn't care about IP addresses

it doesn't know about IP addresses

it has no concept of what an IP address is

Edity

hello

Bob

however, that does mean you can be assigned an IP address by a DHCP server on the same broadcast domain, which might be operated by your ISP

Psycogeek

@Bob so he could have re-worded it as "with more than one computer connected (through the switch) to the ISP , The computers could try and get addresses using DHCP" ?

Bob

@Psycogeek technically, DHCP has nothing to do with switches either

but, yea. close enough.

Psycogeek

@Bob and that is most of my question. if only 1 computer aquires an external IP address through the ISP because it is set for DHCP client. What happens to the 2 other wired products with a static local style of address, when they will also be on the same switch connected direct to the modem.

Bob

05:00

@Psycogeek you end up with a very weird setup, that's what :P

Psycogeek

and that would be why i am not called NormalGeek :-)

Bob

broadcast packets (like ARP) will be sent to the ISP.

apart from that?

anything on the same subnet will be able to communicate directly (without layer 3 routing)

you can technically associate IP addresses in different subnets to a single NIC

Psycogeek

so say i get 24.176.25.40 dhcp from the ISP , through a switch. Then try to talk to 168.192.201.1 static printer address and assigned printer port, with the same NIC?

Whos printer would it print on :-)

Bob

@Psycogeek at a minimum you'd have to add an additional IP address on that NIC

you can definitely add multiple statics, but DHCP and static at the same time might not be doable on win7

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Q: Configure TCP/IP to use DHCP and a Static IP Address at the Same Time

My computer is configured to obtain a IP address automatically using DHCP. It only has one network adapter. How to configure an additional static IP address? I found a tutorial for Windows XP, but the procedure didn't work for Windows 7. Is it possible to configure two IP addresses on Window...

1

Q: How to assign two IP addresses (one DHCP, one static) to a NIC using WMI?

Found question and great answer: WMI and adding Multiple IP Addresses? However this only explains how to add multiple static IP addresses. I am looking how to configure a dynamic (DHCP) and at least one static IP address on the same NIC. But only manage to get one or the other to work. I am looki...

windows networking dhcp nic wmi

Psycogeek

the nic itself would always be the 24.176.25.40 (or change on lease) from the ISP , it then is going to talk to 168.192.201.1 to print. Just like i could talk to 225.34.60.79 to talk to microsoft ?

I dont need to be on the same subnet to communicate to 50,000 places on the web? But the printers and all "home network" were always on the same subnet.

Bob

05:13

@Psycogeek you must have a router (gateway) to talk across different subnets

Psycogeek

@Bob ahh so the fact is the NIC on different addressing, wont be talking to the printers.

I would have to rearrange the static address on the printers to be in the same subnet as the ISP, and then they surely would be trying to send the data to my neighbors :-)

Bob

@Psycogeek If you really wanted to you could add a bridged NIC and configure that to be static while keeping the primary one dynamic

4

Q: Any way to make a virtual bridged network adapter in windows? Like VMware has?

is there any way to make a virtual network adapter in windows (that has its own mac address, and lets me bridge it to another connection? So in the end, it'll be like another physical connection that's connected to its own internet.) I noticed VMware connects its virtual OS to the internet by cr...

windows networking virtualization bridge

Psycogeek

05:29

yea, so a working option would be to apply the 2 nics again, and again make a "home" and a "internet" connections on 2 seperate subnets. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subnetwork without me really understanding, a person could create a huger subnet? and "subnets" are intended to keep shit seperated?

Journeyman Geek

1. yes 2. subnets have different sizes. You can link subnets. 3. kinda sorta

Its a bit like phone numbers.

You have local phone numbers (your subnet) inside a certain range, so you know some phone numbers are local, some are not. New York would have a bigger range than, say, Lake Wobegon, Wisconsin. If you want to make a call from new york, to Lake Wobegon, you'd need to go through a exchange.

Psycogeek

so the reason i can talk from any address to any address, is only because they got 1 million routers out there, all with limited subnets.

Psycogeek

05:44

well i think this MB has a killer nic and an intel nic. so THANKS because that answers the thing i didnt quite understand.

which just leaves another PITA driver that might leak into my perfect scenario.

HackToHell

What documentation software thingy do you use in work ?

We are using phabricator but it's kinda wonky

Journeyman Geek

'killer nic' is broadcom with slightly different settings and drivers these days

Psycogeek

@JourneymanGeek yea it is just off at the moment, and i can go a year without booting now. sooo we shall see.

the intel ones have always been great.

@HackToHell post-it notes :-)

Journeyman Geek

06:02

man. that's quaint. An actual CRT monitor?

Psycogeek

whatever happened to documenting code in the code itself? when they take 2gigs of mess to make a program, whats another 50K of text in there ? Then cross apply it as output on error , for informative erroring.

Rahul2001

My school still has CRT monitors...

Why are CRT monitors supposed to be good for gaming?

Journeyman Geek

they're good in the same way vinyl is

Psycogeek

@Rahul2001 crts didnt have "processing engines" in them for the display, less 20ms

Journeyman Geek

they're charmingly flawed (scanlines) and needed high refresh rates to be usable.

of course, they were refreshed line by line so...

Rahul2001

06:05

@JourneymanGeek I think I'm too young to understand that analogy...

Journeyman Geek

and many old games were designed with this and lower resolutions in mind so they don't look 'right' on a modern display

@Rahul2001 vinyl and tubes are by nature noisy

but people prefer how they sound.

Rahul2001

Oh...

Journeyman Geek

likewise, in many respects modern monitors are superior but crts work the way people expect them to

Rahul2001

@JourneymanGeek so if I can find a good CRT, I should buy it instead of an LCD?

Journeyman Geek

@Rahul2001 probably not

Psycogeek

06:07

i had premium CRT 19" monitors, I would not be going back. just recycled them even.

Journeyman Geek

You're too young to be nostalgic

Psycogeek

you could just look closer at the specs and problems , and color and lag and delay and all of the LCD/LED before buying.

it varies between monitors like night and day.

HackToHell

@Psycogeek lol

Journeyman Geek

simple fact is I'd rather go with a modern, supported monitor over a CRT

If its used vs used...

if it dosen't have a LED backlight, forget it ;p

CCFL's going to be a pain if the inverter dies

Rahul2001

I want an old Gameboy, even though it was released before I was born...

Journeyman Geek

06:18

@Rahul2001 you arn't being nostalgic

Rahul2001

Fair enough

Journeyman Geek

(also, any age jokes are in jest. Judge me by my age do you? Hit you with stick, I will!)

Rahul2001

Hm...

@JourneymanGeek lol

Does anyone know how to turn these math functions off in notepad+-

Every time I type anything, it randomly starts printing 'false' or random numbers

Psycogeek

@Rahul2001 cant beat a gameboy, fully transreflective display, play outdoors in direct sun. I am still waiting for 60htz e-paper to come out, at any power consumption levels.

Journeyman Geek

@Rahul2001 addon?

@Psycogeek I'd settle for epaper that dosen't cost more than a cheap 4k monitor.

Rahul2001

06:23

It was NPPcalc...

I don't recall ever enabling it...

But then again, the shortcut is ctrl+shift+c, might have pressed it by mistake...

HackToHell

@ThatBrazilianGuy i.imgur.com/lSWDCWB.jpg

:O

Journeyman Geek

!!ahhfire

ChatBot John Cavil

Journeyman Geek

@qwertyuiop i.imgur.com/1ZIGT88.jpg

actually there's another one i.imgur.com/V7Wr1Os.jpg

looks like you're not alone in ~~risking death by falling monitor~~ wanting to use a monitor in bed

Rahul2001

06:44

Lol

Bob

The wonders of DLL patching

Journeyman Geek

!!s/wonders/horrors/

ChatBot John Cavil

@JourneymanGeek That didn't make much sense. Use the !!/help command to learn more.

@JourneymanGeek The horrors of DLL patching (source)

Bob

@JourneymanGeek blogs.technet.microsoft.com/askperf/2013/10/22/…

TIL about RDP shadowing

could be a replacement for teamviewer? :P

Journeyman Geek

lol

maybe

Bob

07:09

That's not "cracked". The plastic you show in the pictures is broken. — JS. 10 hours ago

HackToHell

Oh that's nice

Journeyman Geek

07:25

@Bob @ThatBrazilianGuy ^ shio pan ;p

ended up using the dough from the youtube video and the process from the japanese website ;p

also, its pretty darned good hot

Bob

@JourneymanGeek I went looking for some during lunch yesterday

Journeyman Geek

@Bob >_>

Bob

You got me curious :P

Journeyman Geek

;p

Bob

I discovered we have at least 15 sushi places, and some ramen places, within 5 mins walking distance of work.

Journeyman Geek

07:29

its a crusty, super buttery roll ;p

Bob

No Japanese bakeries though :P

Journeyman Geek

It seems to be the current food fad ;p

Bob

Not in Australia!

@JourneymanGeek What kind of shop do you find it in? o.O

Journeyman Geek

lol

Bob

> Did you mean: shipping australia

wtf google

ok

Journeyman Geek

07:37

there's a japanese barkery or three here, and a chain that keeps copying fads ;p

Bob

it definitely does not exist here

Journeyman Geek

do they have breadtalks in australia?

Burgi

morning

Bob

uhhhh I don't think so

we have breadtop

and 80°C bakery

but breadtop is more savory/sweet

haven't really been to the latter in a while... I should check

o.O en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breadtop

> The chain is often likened to the Singapore-based Breadtalk due to the similar store concepts, products on offer and designs.

Journeyman Geek

and this apparently has only been a thing for the past 2-3 years

Bob

07:39

> (Chinese: 包店, pinyin: bāo diàn)

... bun shop?

Journeyman Geek

lol

Bob

I can't actually read Chinese but I can kinda guess the pinyin... sometimes

Journeyman Geek

Yiu'd make a good AC boy ;p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek AC?

Journeyman Geek

ACS, my primary and secondary school

famous for being english speaking ;p

Bob

07:40

<== confused

Journeyman Geek

Anglo-Chinese School

The Anglo-Chinese School (ACS), is a family of Methodist schools in Singapore and Indonesia founded in 1886 by Bishop William Fitzjames Oldham as an extension of the Methodist Church. Anglo-Chinese School is usually abbreviated as "ACS," with the Anglo-Chinese Junior College abbreviated as "ACJC." Its students and alumni are referred as "ACSians" (/ˈɑksiɑn/). ACS was the first school in Singapore to have a flower named after it, the "Ascocenda Anglo-Chinese School orchid", a hybrid created by the school to mark its 116th Founder's Day on March 1, 2002. == History == Founded on March 1, 1886 by...

Bob

@JourneymanGeek idungeddit o.O

Journeyman Geek

@Bob ehhhhh

very inside/singaporean joke I suspect then ;p

@jokerdino might get it ;p

Burgi

so i just failed this review audit: superuser.com/review/low-quality-posts/549763

Journeyman Geek

07:56

heh

Burgi

i thought it seemed like an ok ish answer

Journeyman Geek

@Burgi that company spams here a lot

DavidPostill

@Burgi Obvious spam :)

Burgi

ah

cloning the drive seemed like an ok idea

i didn't realise the link was spammy

Journeyman Geek

in fact if you see that domain or A0ME1 ....

Burgi

07:57

righto

i'm still banned from flagging :(

Journeyman Geek

there seems to be a real user somewhere so nuked another answer of hers since she was spamming in the comments, and threw her a suspension

:(

DavidPostill

@Burgi See also:

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Q: The Master Spam List: Known spammers, spam domains, and associated IP addresses

This is a list of known spammers, spam domains, and IP addresses to which these domains point. This list is derived from spam patterns observed on Super User as well as information from DNS and reverse DNS lookups from sources such as VirusTotal. It will be expanded as research progresses and as...

discussion spam blacklist

Not everything is there, but a lot of the main offenders are ... :)

Journeyman Geek

There's a lot of little quirks you notice

like the 'western' names that sound like your parents were drunk, and on drugs, so tore up a baby names book and got your name from the torn up shreds when they weren't quite sobered up

including a last name

Is 'william' a proper last name?

DavidPostill

@JourneymanGeek Williams is the usual spelling.

Journeyman Geek

yup

what was a givaway to me

DavidPostill

08:05

There are "Willam", "William" and "Williames" though in the UK.

Burgi

i feel like replying to this question and saying "It is so they know who the dissidents are..."

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Q: Is the UK Parliament e-petition system trustworthy?

Over the last few days, I've been hearing often about the petition to (pratically) "repeat" the Brexit referendum and I noticed that it is an online petition. I noticed that the "sign petition" form just requires name, email address, and postcode, and then you'll receive an email to confirm your...

authentication web-application geolocation

DavidPostill

@JourneymanGeek "Names that are dying out the fastest these days, as compared to the 1901 UK census, include the surname William, which in 1901 was the 374th-most common surname. In that year, one in every 1,000 people had the surname William; now, not 1 in 50,000 people in the UK does, a 97 percent decreased in prevalence. "

It used to be very common.

Burgi

also everyone is doubly depressed today

Journeyman Geek

ah

Burgi

we've been kicked out of europe twice in a week :(

DavidPostill

08:09

10 Rare English Surnames About to Go Extinct

Journeyman Geek

@Bob if it helps straitstimes.com/lifestyle/food/… is the article that started this whole mess

Bob

@JourneymanGeek ah, that recent... I'll probably see it here in a few more years

Journeyman Geek

lol

yeah

singapore tends to catch food trends ~2-3 years on I think

people were nuts about portugese egg tarts a while

Rahul2001

08:29

Portuguese egg tarts? That doesn't even sound appealing...

Journeyman Geek

WHo'd have thunk the portugese would lay eggs?

Rahul2001

XD

Journeyman Geek

(its a shortcurst pastry with egg custard in it. Don't ask me, I'm lactovegan)

Rahul2001

@JourneymanGeek thunk?

Journeyman Geek

thunk

Rahul2001

08:32

THUNK!

@JourneymanGeek hm... I thought that non-vegetarian food is staple food in Singapore...

Journeyman Geek

@Rahul2001 I'm vegetarian. Dosen't mean everyone else has to be.

Rahul2001

Eh...

Do vegan people really not use leather?

Journeyman Geek

yup

we avoid it

but I got a pair of leather combat boots somewhere

Bob

@JourneymanGeek lactovegan?

Journeyman Geek

yup

milk products + vegan

Rahul2001

08:43

@Bob milk?

Bob

Never heard that term

Journeyman Geek

@Bob cause people keep stretching the definition of 'vegitarian' ;p

Bob

?

Rahul2001

Lactovegetarian is in my swype dictionary

Journeyman Geek

and in a lot of places they seem to think eggs are vegitables ;p

so I tell people "I'm vegan + milk" ;p

Rahul2001

08:45

@JourneymanGeek yeah... most vegetarian products in the US have eggs...

Bob

Hmm. I've always thought of vegetarian as "no meat" and vegan as "no animal-derived products"

Journeyman Geek

@Bob ahh, but is an egg 'meat'?

Bob

@JourneymanGeek imo? No

But *shrug* I've not cared much outside a bit of curiosity. People's own choices and all.

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