Root Access

Bob

09:03

@JourneymanGeek looks like I'll be getting the new AP after all :P

(Another ebay sale cropped up)

Journeyman Geek

@Bob yeah. That's precisely why I use the term lactovegan :p

Bob

ac better live up to its claims

@JourneymanGeek curious: is this your whole family or just your own choice?

qwertyuiop

!!caat

ChatBot John Cavil

qwertyuiop

@Bob AC goes way beyond its claims

If you have decent kit that's configured properly

OK not beyond its claims, beyond expectations maybe

Bob

09:14

@qwertyuiop heh, I just need better urban (read: walls) range

qwertyuiop

@Bob Oh well, that won't really change

Performance at range will go up, actual maximum range is limited by government regulations.

Bob

all my client devices are ac-capable now... the S7 even does MU-MIMO but I'm probably not gonna spend extra for an AP that does that

qwertyuiop

MU-MIMO is snake oil outside of dense enterprise environments

Bob

@qwertyuiop *shrug* better performance right at the edge of range might help

qwertyuiop

@Bob That should improve greatly then

Bob

09:16

at the moment, there's this zone where I still get some reception but I'm better off switching to LTE

well, technically, I'm always better off switching to LTE

qwertyuiop

Since AC basically brute forces it when it comes to performance

Bob

*grumble* ADSL *grumble*

qwertyuiop

And mandatory beamforming etc.

MU-MIMO on the other hand... yeah when you've got 180 devices hanging off one AP, then you can consider it

Bob

@qwertyuiop yea, beamforming was pretty much the #1 reason I wanted to go that way

honestly, most of the time I'm within 5m of the AP, and old 802.11n gear works fine

qwertyuiop

802.11n supported beamforming in the standard, even some a/g had it in a proprietary format. But AC is the first standard where all devices must support it by default.

@Bob If there's just one rarely-used patchy edge that's problematic why not add a second AP

Bob

09:18

@qwertyuiop hm... not something I've really seen advertised, but then I tend not to splurge much on networking gear

usually mid-range stuff, some really cheap ones occasionally

@qwertyuiop I had a second AP... then it died :P

Actually, gonna replace that one too. But even that one never quite stretched all the way to the end of the yard, and that's as close as I can place it

qwertyuiop

I experimented with an outdoor repeater duct taped to a camera tripod in the middle of a park once, running off an old laptop battery

Bob

One of these days I'll figure out how to get roaming working well

either it's too passive and only roams when the current connection drops entirely, or too aggressive and switches back and forth when in the middle

qwertyuiop

It's easy: Openwrt.

Bob

@qwertyuiop did it work well?

qwertyuiop

@Bob Well enough. It did what I wanted. Which was experimenting.

Bob

09:21

@qwertyuiop afaik it was a client issue, but I haven't a clue how to configure it on Android, and the limited Intel options on laptops (aggressiveness setting from 1 to 5) didn't help much

qwertyuiop

I had about a total of 300,000 sqm coverage area

@Bob It's both

Bob

@qwertyuiop oh, nice

@qwertyuiop ah, damn. yea, gonna have to look into that more

at some point after I finally got all this working I pretty much said screw it and decided not to touch it as long as it kept working

qwertyuiop

If your network beacons are ever so slightly different, e.g. different routers, settings, etc. then some devices will refuse to roam (e.g. Galaxy S3) some devices will cut out while roaming (e.g. Galaxy S5) and some won't care much at all (e.g. Intel 6300) and some might not care but should and roams when it shouldn't and ends up with a dead connection (e.g. some shit I had to troubleshoot, can't remember which)

Bob

...yea, that was pretty much my experience

doesn't help that one of them was some Netcomm piece of shit that had ot be rebooted every other day

then eventually crapped out a year later

I just never bothered replacing it cause I couldn't decide if I wanted to go ac or pick up a cheap n AP :P

then you got me looking at ebay and I did end up picking one up ... that got used elsewhere

qwertyuiop

I believe my S4 or S5 refused to roam between a DD-WRT operated DIR-615 and an OpenWRT operated DIR-825, unless both were set to WPA1-AES, because in WPA2 mode one tiny feature flag was different.

@Bob lol, I did? :-P

Like one supported LDPC and the other one supported both LDPC and HDPC or some crap like that... my memory is faint.

Or was it certain WMM modes?

Whatever, running everything on Openwrt helps cause it's got a fairly consistent soft-mac across all platforms

But getting OpenWRT to work on 802.11ac devices is hard. By "hard" I mean I tried compiling daily builds from source twice, 3 months apart, and it didn't work so I gave up.

Bob

09:27

@qwertyuiop ow.

qwertyuiop

Back in the old days I might have actually debugged the driver myself but nowadays I'm just too lazy.

Bob

yea, I'm running dd-wrt on one and stock firmware on the others -_-

Burgi

welp minion has made an account manager cry... :S

Journeyman Geek

@Bob family + culture

qwertyuiop

@Burgi Tell us more about this minion

Bob

09:28

@Burgi give him a medal

@JourneymanGeek ah

qwertyuiop

Oh someone bought my CPU

At a ~~somewhat~~ largely inflated price.

Bob

@qwertyuiop that honestly sounds like something I'd just plain give up on... don't have the patience to go digging into that :\

I like how this new SD card claims to be "temperature proof"

qwertyuiop

@Bob lol

> You received a payment of £129.99 GBP from <buyer name redacted>

Huh lol, that's actually exactly the same price (to the penny) I paid for it a year ago. And it wasn't even deliberate.

Burgi

turns out our mass email mailing provider does not save the email tests after sending them

Bob

what is it?

Burgi

09:32

an email went out with the wrong font size

qwertyuiop

@Bob Me? ebay.co.uk/itm/…?

Burgi

its only 2px out but she flipped out and ran off

Bob

o.O

and o.O

@qwertyuiop new server?

qwertyuiop

@Bob Nah, desktop. It's basically an oddball CPU that was made as an i7 980x and relabelled as a Xeon. I upgraded my old i7 920 by buying that a little over a year ago

Bob

ah. weird.

standard consumer socket for a Xeon...

qwertyuiop

09:34

LGA 1366.

Bob

oh wait that's normal

qwertyuiop

Actually you'd be surprised. E3 xeons have always worked in standard consumer socket motherboards (LGA115x), E5 xeons have always worked in high-end consumer socket motherboards (X58/78/98 etc).

Bob

@qwertyuiop yea I just checked o.o

I always thought they were special

qwertyuiop

Nah. It's literally a couple efuses and a different CPUID

Bob

hm. old micro sd is in some weird half-failed read-only state

I want to send it in for a warranty replacement, but I can't delete my data off it -_-

qwertyuiop

09:36

Hence buying a Xeon W3680 for £80-120 and getting the same performance as a i7 980x which still sells for £200-250.

@Bob Ah I have one of those that's the same (A Sony 64GB)

Bob

@qwertyuiop do you have to mod it, or just slot it in?

qwertyuiop

@Bob Straight in. Same socket. Same specs.

Bob

@qwertyuiop Transcend 64 GB one here

lifetime warranty, so they say

qwertyuiop

Need BIOS support for the "Xeon" CPU ID string, but that's literally it.

I'm pretty glad mine failed into a read-only state, better than all my previous MicroSD cards which failed into a no-read state -_-

Bob

Jun 24 at 4:36, by Bob

@qwertyuiop yea, I managed to rescue the photos :)

qwertyuiop

09:37

@Bob Pretty much the same image when I chkdsk'd mine ;)

R-Studio recovered everything on mine. As I'd expect it to. Best data recovery software ever

Rahul2001

@qwertyuiop as is clear from their wonderful website

F*cking genius: extremetech.com/computing/…

qwertyuiop

@Rahul2001 Y'know I was so angry when my botched windows 10 upgrade left my computer unusable I wanted to sue them but I never believed it'd actually work

Rahul2001

@qwertyuiop Same here... turns out it does work

qwertyuiop

Heh, as does some sort of invisible, undocumented, auto-rollback feature

The initial upgrade got stuck at the rebooting screen for like, 4 hours. After which I got bored and force rebooted it, after 3 times it decided to rollback the upgrade.

There wasn't any option to cancel, abort, or rollback manually, none of the startup menu entries worked, it was just out of sheer luck and frustration that it turns out hitting the reset button repeatedly makes it rollback

Bob

10:00

@qwertyuiop ...I just copied it with Explorer :\

qwertyuiop

scotrail.co.uk/QueenStreetTunnel

Urgh, ffs. The one time in my life I have to use the Glasgow route it's diverted and takes 40+ minutes extra.

Jasper

Can someone help me with a short and silly question?

I'll have an exam in some minutes about computer networks. We need to encircle subnetworks in a picture representing the network. The routers are the borders to this.

But do i need to include the router interfaces in the subnet?

qwertyuiop

Yes

Jasper

I thought so already :) Thank you

qwertyuiop

10:27

!!caat

ChatBot John Cavil

Mokubai

Oh, apparently I got annoyed with that image at some point and added it to my adblocker...

@qwertyuiop perhaps you use it too much...

qwertyuiop

Perhaps

Perhaps not

Perhaps we'll never know

Bob

Journeyman Geek

!!thatword

ChatBot John Cavil

10:36

Rahul2001

11:13

Why is this room so quiet?

deostroll

On widnows 10 machine, we've started a node server on port 3000, however, in the browser (on the same machine) we type http://localhost:3000, the browser isn't able to connect...?

Anyone have a clue related to that problem?

Burgi

@Rahul2001 because some of us have work to do! ;)

jokerdino

@JourneymanGeek lol haha

@Bob the joke is that AC boys who are racially Chinese are awful in their mother tongue. They tend to stick with English for the most part.

Bob

@jokerdino ah.

jokerdino

The irony comes from the name Anglo-Chinese.

HackToHell

11:29

Is it possible to use lxc to run a process sandbozed

without having to use docker and all

Journeyman Geek

@HackToHell pretty much.

though lxc is a more 'traditional' containerised vm

HackToHell

Oh awesome, I wanna try it out

Is there a guide or something?

qwertyuiop

@jokerdino Heh

I'm basically incapable of speaking my mother tongue these days

Journeyman Geek

@qwertyuiop heh. I was immersed in it

I learnt to speak english from cartoons

2

qwertyuiop

LOL

jokerdino

11:37

My limited English came from Cartoon Network and reading newspaper.

Journeyman Geek

I apparently sounded like yosamite sam at one point

jokerdino

eee baah?

Journeyman Geek

(yoh-sah-mit-eh, not yosa-might)

I think you're confusing a texan accent with a mexican one.

Burgi

and that is a VERY important distinction in texas

qwertyuiop

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

HackToHell

11:45

Same here, Cartoon Network and movies.

@qwertyuiop which is ?

qwertyuiop

@HackToHell ~~Chinkeynese~~ Mandarin

@Bob: Can you tell if this is a fox or a dog or a wolf or a whatever?

i.imgur.com/RpUog5X.gifv

Bob

o.O

mouth says fox, ears and colour kinda say dog..?

Journeyman Geek

looks like a puppy

Bob

@JourneymanGeek the other gifv

djsmiley2k

@qwertyuiop I'd say dog

but some weird half breed

Journeyman Geek

11:55

Sounds like a souleating hellbeast... so fox

djsmiley2k

:D

Bob

...youtube source video says fox

lol

qwertyuiop

There's sound? o_0

@Bob Oh

Lol.

Bob

arctic fox... explains the colour

@qwertyuiop you might be the second or third to post that

Journeyman Geek

!!ahhfire

ChatBot John Cavil

11:56

qwertyuiop

@Bob Oh

Journeyman Geek

5 hours ago, by HackToHell

@ThatBrazilianGuy https://i.imgur.com/lSWDCWB.jpg

qwertyuiop

12:09

Hmm trying to recalculate the euref result and finding out men die a lot

Journeyman Geek

0_0

Bob

> Announcing .NET Core 1.0

@qwertyuiop Pretty well known that women tend to have longer life expectancies in developed countries..?

jokerdino

men die once.

qwertyuiop

@Bob Yeah, but that doesn't tell the whole story

Shorter "life expectancy" doesn't tell you much about when they die.

Guitar Shoe Dave

^-- this is where were going towards.. you heard it here first.

Thinking about moving to the UK

DavidPostill

12:21

@qwertyuiop Hmm

jokerdino

lol Greenland looks way too big.

Guitar Shoe Dave

lol

DavidPostill

The 21st Century Mortality Files - Deaths Dataset

Guitar Shoe Dave

yahoo.com/news/…

zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-27/…

DavidPostill

@GuitarShoeDave Crap website design. HTML 139 Errors, CSS 3 49 Errors, CSS 2.1 641 Errors.

Guitar Shoe Dave

12:28

@DavidPostill: the site just had a facelift last month. Wouldnt be surprised.

DavidPostill

Guitar Shoe Dave

yeah its my favorite website related to financial news

DavidPostill

@GuitarShoeDave When the banner chops off text it loses all credibility ...

Guitar Shoe Dave

I dont have that issue

DavidPostill

Latest Firefox

Guitar Shoe Dave

12:30

chrome

firefox stinks

jk

djsmiley2k

ok

now i'm really confused...

FILES_CRIT=($(find ${DIR} -maxdepth 1 -type f -mmin +${CRITICALVAL}))

That should only be defined if a file is found, right?

Guitar Shoe Dave

@DavidPostill @DavidPostill: Btw, thats an interesting dataset

DavidPostill

@GuitarShoeDave :) Unfortunately @qwertyuiop probably won't see it as she has me hidden :/

jokerdino

(:

Guitar Shoe Dave

@djsmiley2k: mankier.com/…

djsmiley2k

12:35

wow that's cool @GuitarShoeDave

but it doesn't explain wtf just happened in my script, either way, using ! -z now instead of -n

as find is returning whitespace instead of null

tho it was working before, which is .... weird

Guitar Shoe Dave

eww :)

@djsmiley2k: commandlinefu.com is pretty cool too.

djsmiley2k

yeah

Guitar Shoe Dave

saves time

:O

djsmiley2k

so I did 1 find, and it returned empty string

whcih worked

but once I did 2 finds, works no more

Guitar Shoe Dave

@dj: You probably want to do the for x in find etc; do whatever "$x"; done

ah heres an example

for h in `find /proc/*/fd -ilname "/tmp/Flash*" 2>/dev/null`; do ln -s "$h" `readlink "$h" | cut -d' ' -f1`; done

lemme know how that works ^--

qwertyuiop

12:42

FUUUUUUUU

Guitar Shoe Dave

"The Electoral Commission said a record 46.5 million people registered to vote. The question on the ballot paper was: "Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?" The side that gets more than 50% of the votes will win.*" --- (irregardless of the outcome)

It wasnt a fair vote

They counted the majority of the leaves first.

qwertyuiop

But where's the Scottish not English?

Guitar Shoe Dave

vacation apparently

lol

djsmiley2k

The whole thing was a giant farce

But most people seemingly didn't realise that until afterwards

Guitar Shoe Dave

qwertyuiop

12:55

People who changed their mind hours after finding out the result shouldn't have been allowed to vote

Irresponsible f***tards

Guitar Shoe Dave

@djsmiley2k: It was staged. And was an unfair vote.

@qwertyuiop: I wholeheartly agree with that.

djsmiley2k

@qwertyuiop Amen

I didn't mean that! :/

qwertyuiop

"I voted on a whim because I didn't think my vote mattered!"

"I wanted to vote remain but voted leave for the lols because I didn't think they actually had any chance of winning!"

Guitar Shoe Dave

I told all my 10 friends in the UK to vote remain.. They all did.

jokerdino

I remained in my house.

qwertyuiop

12:59

I didn't tell anyone to do anything

Guitar Shoe Dave

They were planning on voting remain.. :P

qwertyuiop

But it seems everyone on my Facebook who has mentioned anything all claim to have voted Yes

djsmiley2k

I didn't vote because I couldn't be sure personally which I felt was better.

DavidPostill

@GuitarShoeDave Hmm. Must be my settings then. Probably min font size or something. I have a similar issue with chat (user names get truncated on the bottom).

djsmiley2k

my head says remain (still does)

Guitar Shoe Dave

13:01

@DavidPostill: Possibly one of your extensions. Havent installed any of those yet, which ones do you have installed?

Burgi

i keep having massive arguments with my mother about the vote

she voted to leave in '75 and she voted to leave now

DavidPostill

@GuitarShoeDave Too many to list :)

Guitar Shoe Dave

@DavidPostill: ha!! , im going to start with ublock

;P

I KNOW FOR A FACT YOU HAVE THAT ONE

DavidPostill

@GuitarShoeDave Here you go:

Guitar Shoe Dave

I think regardless of the outcome though, I think the UK will be the best to live once the whole octopus unwinds

I really need to move out of here.. ASAP

Burgi

13:06

my American friends are telling me that the news over there is all about brexit and it has pushed trump out of the news

qwertyuiop

@Burgi Hahahahahahaha

Also the fact that Trump is over here might have something to do with it

DavidPostill

@GuitarShoeDave Yep. That's how I block all the caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat and taytaytay images :)

qwertyuiop

Well I dunno if he still is, he was last week

Guitar Shoe Dave

!commands

qwertyuiop

!!listcommands

ChatBot John Cavil

13:07

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bespecific, boberror, brainf__k, bunny, caaaaat, caaaat, caat, cabbages, cancer, caniuse, catdrop, catsh…

Burgi

@qwertyuiop i think it is your duty as a citizen of the world to take out trump while he is in scotland

Guitar Shoe Dave

!!caaaaat

ChatBot John Cavil

DavidPostill

donaldjtrump.com/schedule

qwertyuiop

Burgi

13:08

lol

DavidPostill

Tuesday, June 28, 2016 -
Monessen, PA

Alumisource
2:30 PM

stars

Donald J. Trump for President Policy Speech
This event is not open to the public

Burgi

@qwertyuiop only in Britain

qwertyuiop

@Burgi A few seconds later:

Guitar Shoe Dave

@DavidPostill: It's not uBlock ;(

DavidPostill

@GuitarShoeDave hehe. uBlock doesn't truncate text - it removes it completely :)

Guitar Shoe Dave

13:11

@DavidPostill: I thought it may impact styles since it hides divs, and stuff.

DavidPostill

"Donald Trump’s lawyer accused Hillary Clinton of murdering an ambassador and selling uranium to Russia through her “faux charity” in a post to Twitter Tuesday morning."

politico.com/story/2016/06/trump-lawyer-clinton-murder-224876

Burgi

lol?

why would russia buy uranium?

they have their own supply

also iirc russia and the USA are on the small list of countries allowed to trade radioactive materials

Guitar Shoe Dave

the web client is getting good for this

image not found wtf

djsmiley2k

yeah i haven't actually installed the local client on this laptop

not needed it

Guitar Shoe Dave

oh the image is coming up for you?

check out how many virtual machines

bam

DavidPostill

13:23

@GuitarShoeDave The original (removed) image worked for me ...

@Burgi @Bob Has most of it :)

world-nuclear.org/information-library/country-profiles/…

Does Russia Really Own 20% Of The US’ Uranium Reserves?

Sounds like the source of the Trumps claims ...

uk.businessinsider.com/…:

This story is about the sale of a controlling stake in a Canadian company called Uranium One to Rosatom, the Russian atomic energy agency. Because Uranium One controlled uranium mines in the United States, the sale had to be approved by the Committee on Foreign Investment In the United States (CFIUS), part of the executive branch.

A number of investors in Uranium One gave donations to the Clinton Foundation during the time the sale was being considered (between 2008 and 2010), in part through the participation of Frank Giustra, a Canadian mining magnate who was a large donor to the Foundat…

Bob

@DavidPostill I have what

oh yea

yea there's pretty big uranium deposits in AU

DavidPostill

Usual FUD from US politicians (presidential candidates or otherwise)

qwertyuiop

@GuitarShoeDave Nice

Apparently roaming costs are the highest for Australians than any other civilized country!

Also, funny how many people who haven't been answering emails for 3 months suddenly reply when you write with the subject "IMPORTANT: FINAL WARNING - YOUR DATA WILL BE DELETED. "

22 in the space of five minutes....

@djsmiley2k Not sure which is worse, lamp or ear.

ChatBot John Cavil

13:54

@allquixotic Command caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat learned

allquixotic

!!tell 30675079 caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat

DavidPostill

@allquixotic Where's Wally? :)

Journeyman Geek

That's going to be a hard command to remember

qwertyuiop

lololol

ChatBot John Cavil

qwertyuiop

13:56

@ChatBotJohnCavil Did you actually count all of those? o_0

allquixotic

@qwertyuiop approximately. I saw around 65 cat faces in there, so there are 65 "a"s

might not be 100% precise, or there may be cats whose faces are off-camera who got some fur in the shot

well. by "camera" I mean painting/drawing/whatever

Journeyman Geek

0_0

allquixotic

I count 21 there

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