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Psycogeek

10:01

@CoolEulerProject I am not understanding (still) What you find suspicious? or what isnt a bit suspicious when buyng used phones. you have to be very carefull, be prepared to send it back, be prepared to have a bad battery, that is in need of replace. and prefer to buy from regular normal people, who are legitimatly selling thier own used , scratched a bit, but not borked up phone. And #1 pay only 50% for it, so if you have to buy 2 to get one good one.

CoolEulerProject

@Psycogeek a brand new phone, I suspect seller...

Psycogeek

@CoolEulerProject yea i bought 2 motorolla "new" phones also. they sure as heck were not new, and (like you) I suspected they were fixing broken ones. it looked new, but it was badly pasted together, I got 2 (using my 50% rule) and just had to fix a few things to finish up.

CoolEulerProject

ok, thanks...

Psycogeek

On the other hand, i also bought "new" from hong kong , and actually got a fresh new boxed phone , for really cheap too. spent a lot of time checking the reputation of the seller for that one.

CoolEulerProject

Android should have a variable to check how many times a device is factory reset

Psycogeek

10:21

I have heard of 2 cases from regular peoples where the information put in the database was altered to unlock the phone. one where the users phone was stolen, and ended up on a carrier anyways, and one where the datbase said it was Not paid for, but it was, and it was adjusted by - - - the humans who enter the data :-) CarFax ? another wonderfull idea that was routed around in a few years by various methods. "fleet" cars not having to be listed that way, damage and smog data "fixed" etc

CarFax used to be a perfect way to discover everything one would have liked to know about a used car before buying. But there still had to be humans and a system that puts the Data into the computer. until the day that we leave it up to the cars computer to Screw That Up :-)

CoolEulerProject

@Psycogeek, agreed, btw, ...IMEI number includes information on the origin, model, and serial number of the device.

got ans, and quote from Wikipedia...

jokerdino

@bob, you there?

Bob

@jokerdino Ya?

jokerdino

pencil framework.

where did that 'rectangle snip' come from O_O

@bob, I made a sketch. CSS is not fun man.

Bob

gimme a min, a tad busy

jokerdino

10:27

Take as long as you want.

bummi

Should/could this question be migrated to dba.stackexchange? : superuser.com/q/1043557/172747

Faheem Mitha

@bummi I suggest asking in dba chat.

The people there would probably have an opinion.

It's not super active, but the mods are probably around.

bummi

good point, thanks a lot

Faheem Mitha

It's not the best written question.

bummi

I know :/ but if everywhere it might fit there

Bob

10:37

Ok, back.

But I'll be afk for an hour soon-ish.

@jokerdino Ok, you can do this one of two ways.

You can do raw CSS, or you can use an existing library like Bootstrap which will have common CSS defined ready for you to use (and customise if desired).

Personally, I'd just grab Bootstrap or similar for a quick project. But doing it raw would help you learn how it all fits together.

Whichever you choose, I can guide you through it. Though it might not happen tonight.

One thing to keep in mind: there's a near-infinite number of ways to do the same thing with CSS.

jokerdino

With styles

that's about what I could do with some googling

Adding a table at the bottom should help a bit I think.

Bob

@jokerdino Yea, first tip: remember that HTML should be semantically correct.

If you're not presenting actual tabular data, you shouldn't use <table>.

Just moving elements around should be kept to CSS as much as possible.

I'm guessing you want to go raw CSS first?

@jokerdino How long will you be here?

jokerdino

Anything to make it stop looking butt ugly.

@Bob 6 to 8 hours.

Should respond to pongs.

Bob

@jokerdino Ok - I'll be back in ~1.5, and probably completely free in ~3. I'll ping you then. Hopefully won't take more than an hour.

jokerdino

Thanks foxy.

Bob

10:43

My goal here is to teach you to do things in the right way (TM) or at least not a complete kludge :P

jokerdino

Just to be clear, you dont recommend a table there?

Bob

@jokerdino I don't recommend a literal HTML <table>.

jokerdino

The PHP version had a table damnit.

Bob

The traditional way of doing this kind of thing (correctly) is with HTML <div>s and then CSS display: table, display: table-row and display: table-cells.

jokerdino

I'll see what I can do with this new bit of information.

Bob

10:45

Those do the exact same thing as <table>, <tr> and <td> in layout.

But they are more semantically correct.

When people parse the HTML data, they expect a <table> to be an actual table. Like, a list of numbers. Like Excel.

jokerdino

Makes sense.

Bob

665

Q: Why not use tables for layout in HTML?

It seems to be the general opinion that tables should not be used for layout in HTML. Why? I have never (or rarely to be honest) seen good arguments for this. The usual answers are: It's good to separate content from layoutBut this is a fallacious argument; Cliche Thinking. I guess it's true...

@jokerdino Note that this is a bit historical. The modern way of doing things is by using a flexbox. That replaces the old display: table and also many uses of floating elements.

jokerdino

How long until it stays that way?

Something that takes 20 mins to write logic for takes 2 hours to style.

Bob

One thing you need to know is that, until recently, a lot of layouting was basically hacking around HTML, CSS and JS to get things into the right places.

It's only recently that there's been an effort to improve CSS to allow it to stand on its own - to make it more flexible (pun not intended).

@jokerdino Well, a kludge is always fast. It's just gonna be a pain to maintain later, and might not always work and ... .

jokerdino

oh dear.

Bob

10:50

@jokerdino Summing up before I run off for a bit: <table> is wrong when used purely for layout. display: table works but it can be a bit verbose and is a bit inflexible. flexbox can be a bit hard to wrap your head around, maybe, but it's really neat once you start using it.

jokerdino

I dont think anyone's gonna email me about this little shitty project asking for maintenance.

Bob

lol

Well, if you ever intend on working on bigger projects... :P

Isn't this a learning exercise?

jokerdino

Supposedly.

Already having fun learning JS and CSS.

Actually, fun stopped at JS.

Bob

Anyway. Running off for a bit.

jokerdino

bye

Faheem Mitha

10:51

Hmm. Some people have odd ideas of fun. Whatever floats your boat, I suppose.

Bob

@jokerdino It's not gonna be that hard! :P

Just sounds more complex than it is cause I'm going into all the history here ... would be easier if I provided actual code examples but I'll do that in a bit.

jokerdino

I'll set up git then.

Bob

@jokerdino This is simple enough that we can use something like jsbin: jsbin.com/?html,output

Then you can see what I type real-time.

Might also be easier to explain by voice but it's up to you if you prefer that or text.

Oh, they disabled collab :\

jokerdino

git because I don't know what I am doing and might mess up something that was working seconds ago.

Bob

lol, that's a good idea

the git part, not the messing up part

but messing up is part of learning anyway

jokerdino

10:56

lol did you leave yet?

Bob

I normally start out with an idea of what I want to achieve, an idea of what css I want to use, then just experiment (w/ google) for a bit. Unless I've done something similar before. At this point the "something similar" list has grown long enough that experimentation is kinda rare.

Uhm... I have this problem with leaving when I should. See also: I'm apparently nocturnal now.

jokerdino

It's well documented that you are nocturnal.

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