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snipe

18:00

ive had more problems with windows 10 than I can even count/recall

Hennes

@snipe huh?

Why not boot from a CD/DVD in UEFI mode?

Lauri

so I would find my win10 install cd and use that?

*should

snipe

try to enable legacy mode in the bios then bot from the cd

Lauri

I cannot go into the BIOS

snipe

or if not try to disable it and try again

Lauri

18:02

because the system is resuming

Hennes

or a win7 DVD (or probably win8, 8.1, several linuxes, ...)

Lauri

win7 DVD is not working at least

Hennes

If you have UEFI then there is no BIOS

snipe

but windows 7 may not be able to recognise efi and will faill to install if so

Lauri

so I need to find a install media that understands UEFI?

Hennes

18:03

You either have a firmware with UEFI, or a firmware with BIOS.
UEFI BIOS is not something which ever existed.

snipe

I dont bother with USB installs

Hennes

Confusingly enough there is UEFI firmware with BIOS compatability mode.

win7 will recognise UEFI if booted in UEFI mode

Lauri

Whats the "feature" of UEFI, other than making life harder?

snipe

does windows 7 understand EFI partitions

Hennes

@Lauri oh, that is easy. BIOS is not well defined.

Lauri

18:05

hmmr

Hennes

@snipe Yes, windows 7 understands GPT. And it understands the FAT32 UEFI system partition

snipe

ok but how will she back the data up from windows 10 first

without removing the drive

Hennes

@Lauri BIOS is a firmware used on IBM XT (1980-ish!) made by IBM. And sort-of-copied by other people. There was no formal spec. Each BIOS might be a bit different in how it worked. At least UEFI is well defined.

So each UEFI system should understand at least the same basic subset.

This is a good thing. (tm)

It says nothing about particular UEFI version on specific motherboards.

Lauri

allright

so I am unable to bootup from the CD and my primary OS is dead

what are my options

DVD I tried was win7 home pre

current OS thats dead is Win10 early tech preview thats expired

Hennes

UEFI should be able to boot to the firmware before it tries to access the disk. So either there is a key to enter the firmware and there you can select 'boot from this path first' and 'not from HDD'. or it is badly implemented

snipe

18:08

I had to plug the drive in to USB

sata to usb.

Hennes

Granted, each single boot effort I had with UEFI has been frustrating

snipe

I did try to replace 10 with 7 but there was a stupid setup error

Lauri

Yes, I can get the original bios boot menu working

Hennes

But its foundation is much better than that for a BIOS firmware. And I expoect things to improve within a few decades.

snipe

so now the drive with 10 is just sitting on the shelf

Lauri

18:08

but if I choose DVD from that, it boots from the disk anyway

Hennes

Did you choose the bootx64.efi on the DVD as boot path ?

Lauri

I have never been asked any boot paths

as I said, my laptop does "System restoring" to the broken os

snipe

you have to select boot from efi in the boot menu

Lauri

I do not have that option

snipe

is secure boot/legacy mode enabled

or disabled..?

it isnt the bios boot order its a selection menu btw

Lauri

18:12

I don't know what mode is enabled and what is not

I cannot boot from new install media

and system is resuming to broken OS

allquixotic

@Lauri check your UEFI firmware for a setting like CSM or Secure Boot

snipe

go to bios and check your boot options

I got a question in a bit

Lauri

I cannot go to BIOS

I cannot

snipe

hmm ok

Lauri

because the system is resuming to the broken fking os

Hennes

18:15

In that case: remove the disk. Boot and go to the firmware. Disable the disk.

snipe

yoou have to sometimes tap f12 or whatever like crazy

else it will go to the 1st bpot device not the bios

Lauri

@Hennes thanks, that actually seems to be like a sane option here

I can tap like crazy to get to the startup menu / f8

Hennes

It is one I am not happy with. I like to find out why it acts that way.
but from a practical point: remove the disk. Either wipe it or change firmware setting.

snipe

do you know what the button is for bios

Lauri

I think its f10/f12

but google says f2

going to try that first

snipe

18:17

it isnt actually hard to remove the disk unless its a mac

anyhow I got a problem with offline files

Lauri

yeah, keys are not working

removing HD

snipe

not even a giant magnet could remove stupid windows 10

Hennes

I find it quite easy to remove from a VM

snipe

funnily enough it wasnt too bad in a VM

Hennes

Should you ever want to return to it, try disabling fast boot

snipe

18:24

it was an earlier build

I got a problem with offline files

Hennes

With fast boot it will not shutdown when you try to shut it down. Instead it will close user programs but keep the kernel (and drivers) booted and suspended

snipe

I have set up the host and shared folder but in the client I fail to see any option to make the share available offline

Hennes

with a full shut down you should not have had these problems (at the cost of gaining more flexibility but loosing bootspeed)

snipe

I dont have smb caching enabled

the ntfs permissions and share permissions

are fine

Hennes

I have no experience with share folders.

snipe

18:28

Im totally stumped as to why offline files isnt working

its enabled and ive formatted the CFC folder

Hennes

ehm, not quite treue. I got muy experience from working at Tyco.
"Please store ALL info on the network share"
but I got share folders! That is nice!
"Please store ALL info on the network share"
But I can work at home without wasting 10 seconds to start a VPN!
"Please store ALL info on the network share"

Followed by
I got problem,
Me: "Let me restore all information from out backup taken from teh network"
they: But shared file broke down, like, ages ago

rinse and repeat several times

snipe

yep its like that

Hennes

I still like to kill a few dozen users and dance on their grave

Lauri

removed hd, win7 cd starting up

now trying to go to bios

snipe

good

Hennes

18:37

Snipe: please read this first:

happyassassin.net/2014/01/25/…

Lauri

yeah I cannot get to BIOS.. hmmm

going to use linux live cd or something

aww yeah

I used "shutdown" in the win7 install CD, now I get to the bios!

snipe

cool

Lauri

UEFI is disabled O_o

L.B.

I'd like to find some books on Computer history from about the 50s to the present... Or at least the 90s. My problem is that I haven't been able to find any such thing. I'm wondering if anyone would like to recommend something to me

Lauri

thanks for help, I think I got this now

Hennes

18:53

'1950 is a tad before my time :)

snipe

19:13

bbl

Mokubai

19:24

@L.B. springer.com/us/book/9781447123583

Michael Frank

@L.B. Do they have libraries in your area?

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21:12

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23:49

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