Root Access - 2011-09-16

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SgtOJ

00:43

@JourneymanGeek I'll have to check it out. Thanks.

Journeyman Geek

00:55

hm.

@WilliamHilsum: updated win8, but still no alt-f4 workiness. I'm tempted to try popping out the video card (since i'm forced to use an older build for compatability) and using the built in one

of course, dell systems are designed by idiots, and removing the graphics card means all the slot covers fall out

William Hilsum

@JourneymanGeek I have no idea why/what happened to me... I was in the exact same issue and thought it was so weird that I couldn't quit... then I did the start menu, went in to another application, forgot I couldn't and did it - it worked and has since :/ I messed around a little in control panel, but, I am sure I didn't do anything related to this :/

@JourneymanGeek Ouch :/

Journeyman Geek

01:11

@WilliamHilsum: eh, free system, and i'm pondering moving it over to a saner case at some point. I have 3-4 spares

i donno why

tempted to use the old perx case so i have SIX front USB ports ;p

(assuming dell dosen't have proprietary port headers... )

SgtOJ

Should I use built in Windows 7 backup or use Norton Ghost. I already a license for Ghost.

Journeyman Geek

@SgtOJ: the win7 backup is shiny

but really up to you

SgtOJ

It is. I just wanted another opinion. I need to find out what Ghost has over the built in one.

Journeyman Geek

multi OS support

and windows backup USED to suck

Sergey

why?

Journeyman Geek

01:20

superuser.com/questions/336210/… ... 45 mb?

@Sergey: xp era and older backups didn't do bare metal restores

SgtOJ

Yea. That is why I have been using Ghost.

Journeyman Geek

win7 does do bare metal, as long as you have a recovery disk or OS disk

SgtOJ

It's Windows Backup.

Journeyman Geek

02:12

superuser.com/questions/336210/… fun question :)

2 hours later…

Journeyman Geek

03:44

@Gareth: overthewall is now added to my g+ list. looks like someone does manually add them

Sathya

04:06

@Mokubai not always @slhck

3 hours later…

DMA57361

07:18

morning all

tombull89

07:44

is there a question we can close this as a dupe of?

0

Q: Making home based web server

I am new in making web servers. I installed Apache web server in my computer and I forwarded a port 80 on my Router. When I type http://localhost, 127.0.0.1 or my local IP ie 192.168.1.2 in my web browser it loads the default page of apache server from the hard disk on my local pc. I want to dis...

apache localhost

DMA57361

possibly, but by the sounds of things they really just need to switch off their router's allow-remote-access-from-the-web off, or change it's port

Sathya

07:59

@tombull89 closed

Nifle

@Sathya - I think you closed this in error superuser.com/questions/336280/making-home-based-web-server

I think that guys problem is that he can't access his external IP when hes behind his router.

tombull89

@Nifle The one I just linked above?

Nifle

Most routers I have used (in a home setting) does not allow connecting to the outer world-facing IP from behind

Yup

tombull89

He can access his router from the internet, but he wants to change it so he can access his webserver.

Nifle

I think hes on his net behind the router. And he think becaus he can't access the website with his external IP noone els can

Most routers does not allow access to the config-page unless you are on the inside.

It would be very easy for him to test that. He just needs to access his webpage through an online web proxy like hidemyass.com

And the above bit is about what I would have answered if it hadn't been closed.

Tom Wijsman

08:11

@WilliamHilsum: ALT+F4 works, the last thing I remember doing is installing the chipset drivers, but it's probably not that.

Journeyman Geek

08:27

@TomWijsman: i'm wondering if its my video card at this point. the driver support for it is horrid. needing a specific driver for a system feature seems odd tho

Tom Wijsman

@JourneymanGeek laptopvideo2go.com if NVIDIA doesn't provide you with anything useful (unless you have ATI).

Journeyman Geek

... Desktop ;p

also tried the latest win 7 forceware - load of stuff dosen't work with it (cuda, et al), dropped back to build 195

ahh

i'll give it a shot

Tom Wijsman

@JourneymanGeek Ah okay, I just follow the latest these days, blame your video card...

Journeyman Geek

I do.

problem is i can't get a replacement for under 80 bucks, and that's more than what i feel the system is worth ;p

Sathya

@Nifle well this explains that superuser.com/questions/21931/…. Regardless, I have opened it

Journeyman Geek

08:36

" it keeps on changing and u need to intimate to your friend about the new IP" I didn't know people used old fashioned language like this. This is like so... 1920s english ;p

tombull89

@JourneymanGeek ...intimate...?

Sathya

@tombull89 inform

not that intimate :P

Journeyman Geek

lol. In older english "to let know"

thefreedictionary.com/intimation

or some indians use it, along with words like nefarious

granted, i use nefarious whenever i can in italics cause its an awesome word

Sathya

heh

Journeyman Geek

@Sathya: I figure its a wren and martin-ism

and by that, oldschool - like when my parents learnt english

Sathya

08:41

@JourneymanGeek yeah probably

Tom Wijsman

Oh, I like how the default developer approach is to have a full screen application... :D

Store accessible in Visual Studio, that's nice too.

Journeyman Geek

@TomWijsman: for metro, yeah. And those apps probably work on phones too

OH, if you can, could you see if 'copper' works?

Tom Wijsman

Oh, my application already has a tile in the Start menu and I don't even know how that works yet... >_<

Journeyman Geek

lol

would that be stackoverflow or programmers.se? ;p

Tom Wijsman

08:57

What is a good one-click screenshot tool? My previous has like 1 or 2 steps too much...

Oh wait, this looks nice... grabilla.com

Journeyman Geek

i just use PDN, since i often edit screenies

Tom Wijsman

Argh, Grabilla gives the capture thing on start, well, I'll put it on my start menu then so I can do WIN+2 or something...

user image

And the metro app kind of minimizes now while starting Grabilla, it's obviously not desined for Windows 8.

But anyhow, copper seems to work.

Argh, when I close any metro application, I get a green screen. Why can't it just go to my desktop... >_<

It works, but it's eating my CPU after I close it.

I hope they'll turn it the copper into silver some day...

Journeyman Geek

ahh

Sathya

09:26

speaking of nefarious - @JourneymanGeek

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Q: Questions with nefarious intent?

What is the idea based around questions for "evil" purposes, such as writing spambots and malware? Should the be answered or downvoted/flagged/closed? (Also, pardon my noobishness, I'm not sure if there's already a rule for this or not. I don't have a high enough rep to close questions and the...

discussion questions ethics

Tom Wijsman

I really don't find any information on how to create a live tile, sigh.

Journeyman Geek

gah, i need a proper keyboard on this ><

Tom Wijsman

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah...

social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/…

Now it makes sense why ALT+F4 is unnecessary and returns in a green screen you should never come to.

tombull89

so apps aren't "closed" as such, just "suspended"

Journeyman Geek

alt-f4 working... is a bug?

... i just had an epiphany

Tom Wijsman

09:31

@JourneymanGeek That's how I understand it... :P

Journeyman Geek

'desktop' is an app

@TomWijsman: linked drivers won't install - something about missing files

Tom Wijsman

0

Q: How are live tiles made in Windows 8?

I've searched the samples, the developer site, the getting started and the enhancing bla bla bla pages. Even using some search queries on Google, I can't seem any information on live tiles in Windows 8. How do I create a live tile in Windows 8? What languages can be used for that? C#? XAML?

c# xaml windows-8 live-tile

Liran Orevi

Hi guys, hope I'm in the right chat - small question - I have 2TB new hard-drive, Installing, choosed Format, rather than quick-format, 3 hours later, it's 3%. Can I power-Reset and quick-format? (can't wait t h a t long...)

Journeyman Geek

should work

tombull89

@LiranOrevi Yeah, I'd have no problem with doing that.

Liran Orevi

09:42

Cool @tombull89, Thanks!

tombull89

(Welcome to SU Chat, BTW)

Liran Orevi

Thanks :) glad to be here :).

Tom Wijsman

@LiranOrevi: A full format or test is usually useful to get rid of manufactured/transport bad sectors (as they get remapped by a built-in table in the hard disk controller), but the count would normally be so low that doing a Quick Format is fine enough.

If you need your data secure, you should have back-ups (long-term data) and optionally a RAID system (short-term data) anyway... ^^

@LiranOrevi: By the way, is that over USB? Makes sense that it would take so long then...

surfasb

@TomWijsman Aye. There is no reason for a regular user to bother with memory management. Only power users.

Tom Wijsman

@surfasb Memory management is a waste of time for power users to these days...

Liran Orevi

09:55

@TomWijsman, it's a brand new SATA hard-drive, no data on it. thanks for the advice.

Tom Wijsman

Main concern should be CPU and I/O, to improve idle performance and to make sure it's not capping out at 100%...

Journeyman Geek

@TomWijsman: I can't remember the last time i maxed out any of those things >_>

surfasb

@TomWijsman Yeah, I agree with that too. I was thinking from a UI standpoint.

tombull89

10:17

user image

whatisthisidonteven

DMA57361

well, that's certainly ... interesting :/

btw: anyone who games and for some reason still hasn't played the original Portal - it's apparently Free!™ for the next few days

tombull89

(AOL Mail wasn't my idea, it was my parents that made the decision to go with AOL when we first got interweb and I've been with AOL Mail ever since...I've got other e-mail addresses too but...yeah...)

Journeyman Geek

i don't know what to ask.. "People still use AOL?" or "people still use dial up?"

tombull89

@JourneymanGeek Yes, incredibly. It's not dial-up, it's actual broadband.

DMA57361

dial up? I'd missed that bit :)

Journeyman Geek

10:20

@tombull89: i know ONE person who uses dial up

and i think he just does it to be annoying

tombull89

Although my brother and I have taken to (quite often) mocking my dad for going with a renewal package that was more expensive than a faster, BT-Based alternative service.

Still, ends in Feburuary so I want BT Infinity (fiber) :D

DMA57361

right, got my wife d/ling Portal to her steam now too

Journeyman Geek

superuser.com/questions/336319/… i have the same hard drive. RMAed it too ;p

DMA57361

yawn for some reason I'm rather tired today

Journeyman Geek

lol

i slept 2 hours after lunch today

DMA57361

10:32

meh, I'm not really a napping person

Journeyman Geek

neither am i

combo of late nights, and the dog deciding to shift his walks half hour earlier

1 hour later…

Journeyman Geek

11:46

eh, new trick i learnt. lshw lists drive device names and partition device names

HackToHell

12:06

@TomWijsman looks like payal did this ! medianama.com/2011/09/… without any warning .... idiots !

tombull89

"and that any balance in their PayPal account will be auto withdrawn out of their PayPal account on a daily basis". what?*

DMA57361

@HackToHell that says link "..with effect from 26th September 2011..", are you sure that this is relevant to something that's already happened?

HackToHell

12:37

@DMA57361 maybe the site got it wrong .... And I never got any email communication

DMA57361

quite possibly, I didn't bother to investigate, I'm just saying it's something to pay attention to and maybe verify with an additional source

HackToHell

@DMA57361 the site got it wrong thenextweb.com/in/2011/09/16/…

DMA57361

that one also says "...will started enforcing daily auto-withdrawal of funds for Indian users from September 26, 2011" - are they both wrong?

HackToHell

no idea !

but my money is being washed away !

DMA57361

my point was, maybe that isn't your problem (yet) and you should still be cautious that something abnormal was happening with your cash

HackToHell

12:44

something abnormal is happening ... everyday my balance is cut in half due to this auo withdrawal long story .. chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/1938158#1938158

DMA57361

I know, I was idling around when you were discussing it

HackToHell

oh ..

DMA57361

I've never used PayPal so have nothing really to add. Vut assuming this new forced-withdrawal is the problem is dangerous because, it looks like that hasn't started yet - you potentially have another issue

HackToHell

yes and I email PayPal and no response .... :(

Tom Wijsman

13:33

0

A: How are live tiles made in Windows 8?

Finally figured it out, these live tiles are as noted using tile notifications. Here is the minimal code necessary for updating an existing default tile with a template: You have to load in a template and adjust it, or produce your own XML code. See the tile schema... var tileXml = Notificati...

Yay! The live tiles are no longer a mystery...

Tom Wijsman

13:50

Hmm, I wonder how the tile peek things work.

Journeyman Geek

14:35

tech.slashdot.org/story/11/09/16/1324243/…

why is this a suprise >_>

1 hour later…

Tom Wijsman

15:46

Whoa...

Laptop users on Windows 8, check out the Power Options, there is a mysterious "Memory power management" list of options to adjust; like "Backoff channel heat break tolerance", "Consecutive time units to mark a page as cold", "Time unit in 2^Minutes for access pattern".

Journeyman Geek

o0

2 hours later…

Tom Wijsman

18:02

@JourneymanGeek Yeah, really Oo... Undocumented as far as I can tell.

Tom Wijsman

18:14

Okay, full list is available here...

0

Q: What are the new Memory Power Management options in Power Options?

These options are listed under Memory Power Management in the Power Options on my laptop: Backoff channel heat break tolerance Consecutive time units to mark a page as cold Backoff channel heat check interval Backoff idle utility threshold Backoff forced hot channel resume timeout Time unit in ...

memory-management windows-8-preview power-options

What is this? I don't even...

Mokubai

Isn't this just highly subjective? Surely what annoys one person may not annoy another...

0

Q: Most annoying (remaining) Linux OS Problems for Desktop Users

In the last years the Linux OSes did improve a lot regarding a desktop user's point of view. Especially since Ubuntu released its first version things became better and better. My question is: What are the most annoying (remaining) problems of Linux Desktop OSes in your opinion? One could also ...

@TomWijsman Set everything to Overdrive

Or 11, where applicable, 11 is always the best.

Tom Wijsman

Backoff high utility threshold is set to 6400%, perhaps I should set it to OVER 9000%.

But well, changing something good there could improve performance, changing something bad there could slow my computer down to a crawl. Those are low-level hardware memory settings as far as I can tell.

Perhaps also related to the page file, dunno...

Mokubai

18:33

I reckon it's just a load of buzzword laden options that don't actually do a thing, just to keep the tweekers off their backs without them being able to break the operating system by changing important settings.

I'm still with the crowd that reckon you could have been doing something productive with that last day and a half you spent tweaking the your computer for a whole 0.0001% performance increase...

:)

Maybe I just got old and bitter about wasting time, especially when I see older people who should know better not just wasting time, but well and truly squandering their time...

I swear, youth is wasted on the young, age is wasted on the old.

Tom Wijsman

18:53

But... It's interesting. ^^

Mokubai

Oh I don't dispute that, I'm curious what they all do... I just would really have to see some convincing evidence that changing them is better than leaving them at default :)

After all, there's probably a good reason that they're defaults... see figure 1 (and by that I mean a particular part of that joke, not trying to be rude)

Points 1 and 2 to be precise :)

Tom Wijsman

19:21

@Mokubai Or, there is a good reason for them to be listed. ^^

Mokubai

I have a vague suspicion that they effectively amount to the swappiness option in Linux, just with an insane amount of word-soup...

I feel old. If they'd released it a year and a half ago I would have already downloaded Win8 and been cooing and making all the amazed noises at it, now I'm just glad my Win7 install hasn't killed itself yet 'cause I can't be bothered to reinstall....

Simon Sheehan

I'm overall highly unimpressed by Windows 8.

Although as Window's releases go... every 2nd one seems to make mistakes :P

Mokubai

I'm not particularly enthused because it looks a lot like their completely underwhelming Phone OS....

Simon Sheehan

Yeah, and I really don't feel tablets are the way of the future yet.

Mokubai

@SimonSheehan Thinking back, you could well be right...

Simon Sheehan

19:36

History of Microsoft Windows

In 1983, Microsoft announced the development of Windows, a graphical user interface (GUI) for its own operating system (MS-DOS), which had shipped for IBM PC and compatible computers since 1981. The product line has changed from a GUI product to a modern operating system over two families of design, each with its own codebase and default file system. The 3.x and 4.x family includes Windows 3.11, Windows 95, Windows 98, and Windows Me. Windows for Workgroups 3.11 achieved the breakthrough from 16- to 32-bit networking and 32-bit disk access. Windows 95 completed the migration to 32-bit c...

Think about it..

:P

Mokubai

And yet again I feel old. I can remember using every Microsoft OS back to 3.1 :(

Simon Sheehan

Haha, must be getting old. My first was 98!

DMA57361

@SimonSheehan ... :/

Simon Sheehan

Then again, I am 16...

DMA57361

exactly, making us feel old :P

Mokubai

19:38

Thankfully in the days around 3.1 I was actually using either an Atari or an Amiga...

DMA57361

← BBC Micro

Mokubai

And now I have the horrifying memory of installing Microsoft Office from 26 floppies! ARGH!

Simon Sheehan

What the

I dont get why this was approved

superuser.com/posts/190055/revisions

DMA57361

lol

Simon Sheehan

Its an entire other answer.

Mokubai

19:40

I've see a few like that lately, been rejecting a few of them

There's always the rollback option

I'd roll it back as as it was it actually answered the question

Who are we to say whether the new links actually work?

DMA57361

hmm, yeah that's a little odd

roll it back and/or @ harry with a heads up that the link is down

studiohack

20:42

@SimonSheehan I've used Windows 98, XP, Vista, and 7 all extensively

I also have Office 1997 installed on a number of computers in my home network, works very well on XP

why fix what ain't broke? :P

Daniel Beck

good evening everyone

slhck

hey there @DanielBeck

Daniel Beck

Hi @slhck

slhck

Now that I have you here, do you know if there's any easier way to find out which group a UI element belongs to rather than using the UIElementInspector, digging through the element tree?

Daniel Beck

What's wrong with UIElementInspector?

slhck

20:57

well I want to address this button here

user image

Simon Sheehan

@studiohack Very true :P

slhck

the ImageCapture window has ~30 UI elements, and somewhere nested in them is this button

user image

Simon Sheehan

I used 98 for about 3 years, XP for 7, Vista for 3 months, and now 7 since its release.

Daniel Beck

@slhck Have you tried referring to the button using its name?

slhck

so what's missing in click button "Scan" <of group blah of split group blah> of window "Image Capture"?

@DanielBeck You mean "Scan" only?

Simon Sheehan

21:00

Well guys, you know what day it is... now for the remix.

slhck

@SimonSheehan I refuse to click that :P

or maybe …

ah whatevs!

Daniel Beck

@slhck It's been a while with AppleScript for me, just a second...

Simon Sheehan

"Rebecca Black - Friday Electro Dubstep Mix"

slhck

@DanielBeck Sure, no worries. All I know is that click button "Scan" of window "Image Capture" doesn't work (won't find it).

@SimonSheehan lol, I have exactly the same speakers

Simon Sheehan

Lol, awesome.

I unhooked the speakers from my subwoofer last night to test it....was awesome

slhck

21:04

my girlfriend just got this

Simon Sheehan

Oooh

Now that is cool

slhck

and it's around like $200

Daniel Beck

@slhck I usually go from element to element and read their UI elements. You know that the hierarchy is short so that's a plus. I'd even guess it's button "Scan" of group 3 of split group 1 of window 1 or something similar.

slhck

@DanielBeck I'll try that, otherwise it'll be an "activate" followed by tell application "System Events" to key code 49 :P (press space)

Daniel Beck

@slhck That probably works too.

slhck

21:12

err.. weird, it's actually called splitter group.

ah, found it! click button "Scan" of group 1 of splitter group 1 of window 1

Thanks for your help @DanielBeck!

Daniel Beck

@slhck Sure

slhck

I'll just make it a question/answer so the world knows :P

Daniel Beck

I'm probably the stupidest user on SU this week. At least the stupidest regular user :-/

I wrote an entire C program using an API I didn't know before verifying that what the user wrote in the question was actually true...

@slhck Post the answer already so I can up vote ;)

slhck

@DanielBeck done :P

Simon Sheehan

Gah! Had an answer prepared and someone beat me!

Daniel Beck

21:19

it's actually even easier @slhck

slhck

How? @DanielBeck

@SimonSheehan Where? Just post it!

Simon Sheehan

2

Q: Gefore FX 5200 Ultra & 3D in Photoshop

I am running a Nvidia Geforce FX 5200 Ultra video card in my computer. I am attempting to work with some 3D in Photoshop CS5.1 extended. When I work with the 3D I get this message: Your video card does not meet the requirements for hardware-accelerate 3D rendering. All 3D will be rendered with ...

adobe-photoshop nvidia-geforce 3d-graphics photoshop-cs5 3d

Daniel Beck

you can just state "UI elements" within a tell block, and AppleScript Editor's event log will print the output.

Simon Sheehan

The answer was IDENTICAL

Daniel Beck

Less editing when going through the element tree, at least the way I edit

slhck

21:21

Ah, that's a neat shortcut.

I'll add it.

Daniel Beck

I recently posted an answer in the same second as someone else

never had that before

slhck

It sucks when you don't get a message that another answer has been posted already

Daniel Beck

Here. The answers were posted in the same second.

slhck

Gah, now I have to wait two more days to accept.

Daniel Beck

@slhck There might be an even better answer coming ;)

It should be possible to extend UIElementInspector. Hmmmm...

slhck

21:24

Heh!

I think it's weird that you just can't get the whole tree …

Simon Sheehan

Wow

Best remix of all time

Original video:

Remix:

slhck

lol, not my kind of thing tho

Simon Sheehan

:P

just found it amusing

And now im watching fail videos on youtube..

slhck

good old fail videos

Simon Sheehan

....or Panda's sneezing youtube.com/watch?v=06TDluo90tM&feature=related

slhck

21:33

I hate it though when they're on TV and they have laughs on cue and super funny soundtracks.. German TV likes to do that

Simon Sheehan

Yikes. Glad i dont watch TV :P

slhck

Good for you!

Simon Sheehan

Because who need's it when there YouTube..and anime..

studiohack

@SimonSheehan I've used 98 for about 3 years, XP for 5.5, Vista for 1, and 7 since! :P

slhck

Heh. Don't know about Canada's TV, but if it's anything like German TV, you're better off on YouTube.

Simon Sheehan

21:37

Short time with Vista :P

slhck

The only good time to watch TV is after 10 p.m. (NO, NOT BECAUSE OF THAT)

Simon Sheehan

Hahaha

slhck

Oh if you haven't read it yet: Inboxes will be unavailable for a short period tonight (US Eastern time), September 16, 2011

Daniel Beck

I hate C-derived languages and their pointers and references and everything

slhck

@DanielBeck Reminds me of the time I had to start with C++ again … after 3 years of not using it

Daniel Beck

21:39

It's not even funny

I have an element

I read its parent

I read the parent's children

Simon Sheehan

@slhck "*With a fiery, blood pressure raising, passion."

Daniel Beck

and look for the array index of the child

and it's not there

slhck

>_>

Daniel Beck

Now if this whole thing had proper types

But noooooooooo, "Store anything you want in this NSArray. It's just memory addresses!"

slhck

22:19

@DanielBeck Ah, the beauty of things in strongly typed languages.

btw I really think your answers get too little exposure

Journeyman Geek

22:55

morning

Simon Sheehan

morning @JourneymanGeek, how goes it?

Journeyman Geek

my dog woke my up at 6.30 in the morning ;p

Simon Sheehan

Haha. I've been woken up to face licking before, it's somewhat enjoyable :P

Journeyman Geek

lol, mine bounces on the side of the bed, since he won't/can't climb up

Simon Sheehan

:P Sounds funny though.

Journeyman Geek

23:05

erf superuser.com/questions/282734/… not an answer?

@SimonSheehan: less so, when you have had something like 4 hours of sleep

Simon Sheehan

@JourneymanGeek I don't see an answer in there at all :S

Journeyman Geek

flagged

Simon Sheehan

I did also.

Journeyman Geek

also, the poster needs to learn of the magic of SPELLCHECK

Simon Sheehan

Gah, looks like I need to bring my PS3 upstairs to do this update.

Wireless is slooooow to the basement

Simon Sheehan

23:20

Puts TV on desk

Wow. this update is finally working.

Slowly, but faster than wireless...

nhinkle

23:41

howdy all

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