Root Access

Spiff

00:16

Did I acquire a fanboy today or is someone going around upvoting everyone's old answers? Is someone trying to earn the badge for voting on lots of answers? I just hit the rep cap today because twenty of my old answers each got one upvote.

Bob

@Spiff What's the time between upvotes? If it's too short, you can expect a reversal in a few days...

And, yea, sounds like you got a fanboy :P

allquixotic

probably just a well-intentioned user trying to "help" or "thank" you, without realizing that serial upvotes are prohibited and automatically reversed

happens to me fairly often :S

Spiff

@Bob I'm not sure how quickly they came in. I don't see a way to see timestamps on upvote reports. But it was 20 upvotes spread over several hours today.

Bob

00:35

@Spiff You can see timestamps on your profile rep page.

Michael Frank

It seems like an odd way to thank someone for one good deed by upvoting all of their other deeds.

Bob

20 is likely to get reversed regardless.

Michael Frank

Also, Firefox should really learn that upvoting is totally a word.

Bob

@Spiff superuser.com/users/30792/spiff?tab=reputation&sort=time

@MichaelFrank It likes up-voting more :P

Journeyman Geek

@Spiff: might be either

@ThatBrazilianGuy: nice ava ;p

There needs to be a :| one as well ;p

Bob

00:45

@JourneymanGeek brb

Done.

I considered making it a :\

Actually, the :\ looks a bit better in grav font

That Brazilian Guy

We should all change our avatars to variations of these emoticons.

Bob

Here's one for @JourneymanGeek

And one for @OliverSalzburg

(crop in Gravatar)

I think I like :\ better

There, changed

That Brazilian Guy

Now make an ;o)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

Bob

@ThatBrazilianGuy What about ;o)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

That Brazilian Guy

(yeah, that)

Journeyman Geek

00:59

meh, I like my doggy ava ^^

Bob

@allquixotic ^

Eh, I might change back to that cat

Journeyman Geek

And that would probably be Σ:3

Bob

Michael Frank

New Gravatar?!

wheee!

That Brazilian Guy

If @boris_yo were in this room now, his head would explode.

Journeyman Geek

01:03

;p

@Bob: hang on to that ava a moment ;p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Hm?

Journeyman Geek

trying to crop the ;p one right ;p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek I just half-arsed the crop :P

The ;p is a bit unbalanced in Segoe UI, actually

same with the :D, but I arranged that one manually

Journeyman Geek

Yeah

it is

;p

Bob

We need @allquixotic to comment :P

Michael Frank

01:08

Excellent!

allquixotic

:( this is awesome

Journeyman Geek

;p

I think I'll leave this a day before reverting to my furry visage

allquixotic

it's fecking hilarious

Bob

2

allquixotic

I LOVE it.

That Brazilian Guy

01:15

2

Journeyman Geek

I think I'll adjust mine a little

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Nice :P

@ThatBrazilianGuy Where'd that screenshot come from?

Journeyman Geek

That balances a lot better

Paul

@CanadianLuke superuser.com/questions/753278/change-index-with-value-in-array/…

Bob

@Paul nooooooo you ruined the gravatar chain! :P

Michael Frank

01:25

This guys question reads like the lyrics from some kind of geeky song!

4

0

Q: What happens inside a hard drive when it breaks?

I wonder where does that repetitive cracking noise come from? What happens when it falls? What when it simply stops working at all?

Paul

@CanadianLuke It is php rather than a system scripting language, so perhaps that is too close to "web". But the content seemed far removed from needing migration. It is cool though.

@Bob Damn! I am at the front now on my view

Pointing at you all

Bob

7

@jokerdino ^

Journeyman Geek

@Paul: if you want one...

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Needs more anti-aliasing :P

Journeyman Geek

01:45

better?

Michael Frank

Too blurry now.

;p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Ya :P

allquixotic

hmm, Guns of Icarus Online looks like a unique game

team game involving team shared control over an airship

Bob

o.O

@allquixotic Nice except for the whole "there's no one playing" part :P

Happens a lot with not-so-popular games in AU

Michael Frank

@Bob Just imagine how I feel being here in NZ. Any not-so-popular games I want to play are completely dead during my free time.

Bob

01:51

@MichaelFrank You guys are normally on the same servers as us, with more ping :S

Michael Frank

@Bob Yea, but 8 hours time difference?

Bob

(Though, Streamline hosts some decent servers, and they're in NZ)

@MichaelFrank ...? AU and NZ, 8 hours?

Michael Frank

No, I'm talking about NZ to USA.

The servers are there, but nobody is home.

Bob

@MichaelFrank But... I'm talking about AU servers...

I'm so confused.

allquixotic

anyway, happy to play Dawngate with anyone at any time

except when I'm at work >_<

Bob

01:57

waiiiit... superuser.com/a/753617/117590

SMB is fast over the internet?

Journeyman Geek

rsync is really the choice here

Bob

Also, isn't 125 MB/s on a 1Gbit line impossible? Pretty sure there's usually at least 10% overhead.

allquixotic

@Bob yes, it's impossible, unless somehow you have an IP fragment size in the gigabytes, and even then you will eventually drop down to slightly below 125 MB/s once every few seconds

and that assumes no retransmits, no packet loss, and a 0% chatty protocol, which SMB is not

Bob

> if you use rsync over 'ssh' you will incur an encryption cost, which on a good machine adds a ceiling of 140-160MB/s

!!no

ChatBot John Cavil

Bob

02:00

Try 500MB/s with AES-128 on a CPU that supports AES-NI - any halfway decent modern CPU will. — Bob 6 secs ago

wat: winscp.net/eng/docs/ssh

> By default, Blowfish is used if supported by the server. While AES is considered to be highly secure, AES encryption requires substantial processor overhead.

allquixotic

@Bob that's kind of backwards on modern chips, where AES will be faster than Blowfish

I guess it'd be true if you're executing AES entirely in software on x86.

(with no hw accel)

Bob

@allquixotic if you're processing 1 TB of data on any CPU within the last four years, it'd better have AES-NI

allquixotic

@Bob he says the box sending the data is "unix" (and then he specifically says the receiving box is "linux", so we can probably assume the transmitting box isn't Linux, but is something like Solaris or AIX or BSD.

Bob

@allquixotic ow

allquixotic

not even sure if a sufficiently dated non-Linux system would have the infrastructure to do AES-NI

hell it may not even be x86! it might be Itanium, or Solaris on System Z, or...

Bob

02:11

@allquixotic BSD is pretty up-to-date usually, though.

allquixotic

@Bob what they need to depend on is the compiler toolchain though, not the kernel

Bob

@allquixotic Pretty sure IA64 does AES-NI

allquixotic

and the BSDs hate gcc, and are trying to get away from it faster than Penelope getting away from Pepe le Pew

Bob

@allquixotic So, what? LLVM?

allquixotic

which is unfortunate because gcc is probably the most likely compiler to be able to support cross-platform AES-NI (on x86) outside of Linux

Bob

02:13

Seems like it.

126

Q: Why is FreeBSD deprecating GCC in favor of Clang/LLVM?

So I was surfing the net and stumbled upon this article. It basically states that FreeBSD, starting from Version 10 and above will deprecate GCC in favor of Clang/LLVM. From what I have seen around the net so far, Clang/LLVM is a fairly ambitious project, but in terms of reliability it can not ...

freebsd compiling gcc c llvm

allquixotic

@Bob yeah, Clang and LLVM

at this point, a lot of work has gone into the x86(_64) and ARM backends of LLVM, so there's a fair point in suggesting that it will work fine, but on the other hand, gcc has so many man-years of development ahead of LLVM, and the benchmarks still favor gcc

except for extremely specific microbenchmarks, gcc is more or less the best compiler in the world right now, and definitely the best open source compiler

Bob

@allquixotic I don't think AES-NI is usually dependent on compiler support though.

Most crypto libraries probably use the asm directly

And both OpenSSL and OpenSSH likely do that. Don't have time to check, though.

allquixotic

@Bob you typically access AES-NI using assembler, but the assembler program (which is part of the compiler toolchain) would have to know about the instruction, or it can't translate it into machine code

it's either that or directly code the opcodes of the instruction into the binary, which is even lower level than writing assembly

Bob

@allquixotic The translation is simple enough that it shouldn't be a big issue to support it?

allquixotic

@Bob not a "big issue", but if you've seen how often many enterprise unix deployments tend to upgrade things like their compiler toolchain, the chances of it not being supported on any given system are reasonably high :P

Bob

02:18

-_-

allquixotic

sure, the commit to add the assembler may exist in git of the assembler they use; it may even be in a released version; but the system could be running a prior stable release of the OS, or several releases old

I'm not making stuff up here, either -- at work, we have a lab VM farm running Windows instances for experimental purposes and for hosting ad-hoc web servers for departments, and the procs are so old that they don't support EPT, so VM performance is abysmal

if they had waited one more generation before buying their Xeons, they'd have had EPT and things would've been awesome

but they're stuck with a fairly large investment in old hardware and can't get funding to move to something a little more modern that happens to greatly accelerate VM perf

HackToHell

02:49

Nice them emoctions

I need one with a cat

Journeyman Geek

Thats interesting...

HackToHell

@Bob How do you generate them ?

Journeyman Geek

@HackToHell: :3

Bob

@HackToHell Paint.NET... I just chuck some text on in Segoe UI

Though it's the 7 SUI, so it's a bit different from 8.

Journeyman Geek

ooh

creative is making PRETTY nice dacs...

and headphone/BT compatible too

Bob

02:52

I wonder what program @JourneymanGeek's using :P

Journeyman Geek

they're pretty wierdly labelled as amplifiers though

@Bob: same as you

Bob

lol

HackToHell

@JourneymanGeek Thanks !

allquixotic

I just think it's superbly awesome that @JourneymanGeek has a ;p

I visualize it as a dog winking with his tongue hanging out

HackToHell

03:18

@allquixotic Change Cavil's gravatar to :?

allquixotic

@HackToHell no, :!!

:D

Bob

Nah, leave him with his Christmas hat :P

allquixotic

lol

actually since he's an evil Cylon commander, he'd be >:E

HackToHell

03:37

►

allquixotic

Sounds like a hardware problem. Maybe a modifier key (Ctrl, Alt, Shift) is being held down unintentionally (or stuck), and that's causing programs to interpret it as, say, "Ctrl+click" instead of "Click", and most programs don't know what to do with a Ctrl+click? Just a thought. Try jiggling your modifier keys. — allquixotic 18 secs ago

> try jiggling your modifier keys

TMI?

that could be interpreted very wrongly

Bob

lol

allquixotic

@HackToHell yeah that was on the news

that cat is awesome... very brave to help the kid

Bob

@allquixotic That was on the news here, too :S

I don't even...

HackToHell

I should watch TV sometime

Journeyman Geek

03:45

Yeah, I saw that

awesome cat ;p

Canadian Luke

@Paul I would say it's off topic too. Stack Overflow would have been better for php issues, in my opinion

Journeyman Geek

(not surprised. One of our locals chased off a cobra. Another one chased off a dog by smacking her on the nose)

allquixotic

dogs see cats as fairly dangerous encounters, because a cat can hang on the dog's back and bite its neck and the dog can't do much to get at the cat from that position

especially dogs the size of that one, less than 100 lbs

:3 >>>> ;p

Journeyman Geek

also cats can be barely contrained balls of fury

dogs have size. Cats have velocity

allquixotic

wikihow.com/Fight-off-a-Rabid-Dog

the cartoons are ridiculous

Bob

04:06

> rabies is one of the most fatal diseases ever

Primary amoebic meningoencephalitis would like to have a word

HackToHell

04:18

@Bob Now I'll never enjoy swimming anywhere

Bob

@HackToHell Well, you'd pretty much have to be breathing in water... and chlorinated or salt water would be perfectly fine.

HackToHell

@Bob It's still scary

There are so many bacteria out there we haven't documented yet ._.

Sathya

04:48

Canadian Luke

....?

Sathya

You were the chosen one, @CanadianLuke. How could you do this

Canadian Luke

No comprendo!

Sathya

05:03

@CanadianLuke your gravatar

(and the bots') kinda stand out

@CanadianLuke how's the kid :D

Canadian Luke

He's asleep right now. The girl is due in September though

HackToHell

TIL

Tivoization

Tivoization is the creation of a system that incorporates software under the terms of a copyleft software license (like the GPL), but uses hardware restrictions to prevent users from running modified versions of the software on that hardware. Richard Stallman coined the term in reference to TiVo's use of GNU GPL licensed software on the TiVo brand digital video recorders (DVR), which actively blocks users from running modified software on its hardware by design. Stallman believes this practice denies users some of the freedom that the GNU General Public License (GNU GPL) was designed to pr...

@CanadianLuke Oh, I thought she was born yesterday

Canadian Luke

Nope, ultrasound was Monday to determine the sex

HackToHell

ohhh, Inutero sex determination is banned in India ;p

Paul

05:26

@CanadianLuke Yeah - like I said, no problem - I am not disputing it, I am just no longer clear on what constitutes a basic scripting question if not that one. Surely php isn't considered class of its own. If it were looping issue in a bash script it would stay. If it were a python script iterating through a file list, it would probably stay.

Canadian Luke

@Paul Exactly.

Just remembering that there would also be more PHP experts on SO than on SU

Paul

@CanadianLuke Expertise isn't really needed for foreach, which is why I answered it. The question shouldn't be migrated in my opinion because it is too trivial - and it wasn't - it was deleted. So it isn't valid here or SO. Hence my question about what constitutes "basic scripting". I guess we are saying: it has to be in the context of SU type activities, and as this question was without context then it has to be assumed it is not SU related.

Canadian Luke

Well, there is also the overlap of on-topicness, right?

I don't agree with the deleting, but I would have migrated it, IMO

Boris_yo

@ThatBrazilianGuy What happened?

Who knows online proxy checking tool for proxies with authentication?

Journeyman Geek

05:43

@HackToHell: thats probably a good thing there

HackToHell

Gee Warner Bros is aggressively removing the 2nd trailer for Interstellar ._.

@JourneymanGeek Stupid female infanticide

jokerdino

What the heck with smiley faces

HackToHell

:33333

Paul

@CanadianLuke Yeah, we are generally tolerant of on-topic overlap - this one was "egregiously off topic". I imagine the concern is that the questioner is heading down a path that would become increasingly off-topic for SU rather than this specific case.

Journeyman Geek

@jokerdino: chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/118/conversation/…

@HackToHell: female infanticide, by nature, is stupid

jokerdino

05:49

@JourneymanGeek lol

Journeyman Geek

For one thing it reduces the overall reproductive fitness of the species

Especially taking into account the segmentation within traditional indian society, which leads to a smaller pool of possible mates.

HackToHell

Waaha found one facebook.com/…

trailer #2 for interstellar

Bleh too much corn field

I want more epic space stuff \m/

Hopefully it doesn't suck like TDKR

Journeyman Geek

@HackToHell: they're making a TV series of the expanse

assuming they don't screw it up, it will be awesome

and there's not enough space opera these days :/

slhck

06:04

@Paul Basically, scripting as in Bash or Windows Batch or PowerShell.. or even VBS are fine with us. Anything else, no.

In that specific case the OP was question-banned on SO and they just used SU as a replacement, which is the reason I immediately deleted the question.

I just believe we shouldn't encourage these users by providing answers. Plus, you run the risk of having your answer deleted anyway.

Paul

@slhck Aaah, I see. I wasn't aware of their history - the delete seemed harsh, but makes sense.

slhck

@CanadianLuke see --^ for deletion reason.

@Paul Note that we can't see if someone's banned on other sites, but if you look at their recent question history on SO it kinda figures :) Especially considering their new-found interest in SU.

Anyway, I have to head to work, so, thanks for your consideration @Paul!

Sathya

@CanadianLuke oh, TIL.

Canadian Luke

06:22

@Sathya Oh?

Sathya

:) all good

Canadian Luke

OH, the announcement... Yea

Journeyman Geek

06:43

ugh, DDG is horrible

HackToHell

Nooo Steam doesn't detect any game in my E drive !!! :O

Journeyman Geek

(its default on qupzilla, and I use that on the shared box. Can never find anything)

HackToHell

I think this would be a good time to try and quit Dota 2

jokerdino

lol

Oliver Salzburg

07:16

Heh, like 3 or 4 years ago, we purchased 3 hard drives for our SBS. 2 went into a RAID1 for data storage and the other was used for backup

Now the backup drives and one of the RAID members died :D

Fun

Given that they are identical drives and 2 failed pretty much on the same day...

Sweet. New gravatar!

HackToHell

07:31

@OliverSalzburg :D

Oliver Salzburg

@MichaelFrank Stole my emote!

HackToHell

D:

Journeyman Geek

07:44

;p

Boris_yo

4

Journeyman Geek

@Boris_yo: just for that, I'm keeping this another day ;p

HackToHell

!! no

ChatBot John Cavil

Boris_yo

08:00

@JourneymanGeek Who's the guy on picture anyway?

Michael Frank

@OliverSalzburg Did I? D:

@Boris_yo It's from a movie called Office Space

Oliver Salzburg

@MichaelFrank I don't know, I just picked the one @Bob designated to me ;D

slhck

So can I get a new avatar too, or what?

Oliver Salzburg

08:19

(:>{

It's a penguin \o/

HackToHell

Doesn't align properly though

Journeyman Geek

Bob

@Paul What is the likelihood that it will be used for automation like most other (bash, batch, etc.) scripts, as opposed to a full program? PHP could be used for the former, but it would be very weird and kinda crazy.

I really think questions about the language itself should go on SO, and questions about its use for automation are more acceptable on SU... though we do accept some of the more basic of the former.

Sathya

08:36

say, could one of you make me a new avatar too :p

HackToHell

slhck

@JourneymanGeek Changed :D

Oliver Salzburg

moustavatar

Bob

08:55

@Sathya ^

(Your current avatar's shirt :D)

Or maybe

►

@allquixotic ^

Sathya

09:17

@Bob :-D

Journeyman Geek

09:28

ugh. I got hit with a review audit.

Oliver Salzburg

09:58

@JourneymanGeek Heheheh

Sathya

@Bob you should change that dot into a diamond :p

Bob

10:25

0

A: Does the phone automatically uses laptop internet when connected with usb

HOW TO SHARE INTERNET FROM PC TO LUMIA 800 WITHOUT ZUNE SOFTWARE, I WOULD LIKE TO USE IN MY COMPANY,BUT THERE IS A ADMIN ACESS, SO, ICAN'T INSTALL ZUNE SOFTWARE WITHOUT ADMIN ACESS,

I don't understand these people.

WHY MUST THEY USE ALL CAPS EVERYWHERE HOW DOES IT EVEN HAPPEN DO THEY JUST SHOUT EVERYTHING ALL DAY?

Sathya

i wonder how do they enter passwords, do they all always have caps lock on? Is their pinky always on shift? The mysteries of life

Bob

@Sathya Their passwords are probably just in all caps!

Journeyman Geek

@Sathya: capslock is cruise control for cool

Sathya

lol

Bob

@Sathya You should probably crop that avatar a bit :P

It's a tad hard to see on the small icon

Sathya

10:36

yeah

Journeyman Geek

lolololol

I'm finding the current errorticon infestation rather hillarious

Raystafarian

I didn't mean to break the chain in here, but I had to see why all the avatars in the "chatting" box looked like this. Now I know. Thanks!

Sathya

jelly about emoji

3

slhck

Related to the penguin theme, I just made my own ... all the things meme.

Journeyman Geek

hm

superuser.com/questions/75563/… I need an excuse to close this

it isn't explicitly off topic, but the answer is likely to be useless by now

slhck

10:50

@JourneymanGeek You don't need to close it when you can just delete it.

HackToHell

Oh boy this is nice :D

slhck

I usually do that with really outdated things that aren't useful anymore.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Surprisingly, I've found a lot of stuff similar to that very useful before...

slhck

Hm.

Bob

'course, in this case seems like the original site still offers it, so meh

Journeyman Geek

10:54

true

@slhck: oh yeah. I can do that now.

@Bob: the link is to a filelocker ;p

Those things are only slightly less annoying than ticks.

Oliver Salzburg

@slhck Hot!

Journeyman Geek

11:53

blog.mozilla.org/nnethercote/2014/05/14/…

hm, makes me wonder if I should just replace it with a central filtering proxy

Mokubai

Oh wow. Awesome avatar fest. Gotta get me one of those. Maybe just change the background on my current one...

Ugh. Back to work.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek huh.

@JourneymanGeek sure, you can just null route a bunch of ad sites

someonewhocares.org/hosts

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: multiple systems

Bob

but adblock tends to be neater

@JourneymanGeek hm?

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: It makes more sense to me to get a proxy, load up the same list as easylist, and use that to filter, than manage ... 3-4 seperate host files on 2 oses and 3 varients of windows

Bob

12:06

@JourneymanGeek Or you can just deploy the latter with a couple of scripts :P

I'd take the lower-overhead solution, personally.

Psycogeek

12:40

Funkey error of the week: "Job failed to exec(3) for weird reason: 13" superuser.com/questions/753732/…

shekhar

Hello anybody here ??

guys , I would like to ask a question but part of it sounds like it may get close votes.

so I am asking here. even I am not here ,I will check these later

We have Linux server and we are running visualization with KVM and current plan is Sanpshots.

so are there any problems we may get after taking snapshots and restoring them when we need .

If my Q is not vague then I will post.

Thank you.

slhck

12:58

@shekhar You should always test your backup solution anyway before deploying it live.

shekhar

@slhck Thanks for responding

slhck

At the moment it might be too broad, just asking if you can get problems.. well.. problems can occur all the time.

shekhar

@slhck yeah I will test them before restoring.

@slhck agree with you , problems always occur & we have to find solutions.

slhck

The best questions here about actual problems you have, not if you hypothetically did this and that etc.

Otherwise you'll just get vague answers anyway and can't do anything about it.

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