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Bob

15:34

2 hours ago, by Bob

Is it just me or did Wikipedia change font?

2 hours ago, by Bob

http://www.fastcodesign.com/3028366/wikipedia-to-redesign-across-more-than-32-mi‌llion-pages

Way ahead of you guys :P

@JourneymanGeek o.O

jokerdino

@Bob: one of the benefits of being in Australia? ;p

Bob

@jokerdino It's currently 2:30 AM. I posted those messages about 12:30 AM :P

jokerdino

> “The changes might seem subtle--some readers of Wikipedia might not even know there's a change!”

@Bob lol

Bob

jokerdino

For a second, I thought it was hacktohell posting that image. What happened to you Bob?

Bob

15:44

@jokerdino Bored.

Which reminds me, we never did make progress on that project :P

jokerdino

I can't even remember what project it was.

I think that probably means we are dumping it.

Bob

stats for AU?

I can't remember what stats they were supposed to be

jokerdino

Did you make real progress? Else we can leave it aside.

Bob

Oh, it's only been about a year since we last looked at it.

I completely forgot, to be honest.

Just saw the long-dead chatroom.

jokerdino

I mean, I have an upcoming project coming on.

Using Javascript and Qt.

Bob

15:46

in Room for Bob and jokerdino, Aug 28 '13 at 13:20, by Feeds

This room has been automatically frozen for inactivity

jokerdino

Which probably needs new bored people.

Bob

> The last message was posted 219 days ago.

jokerdino

That's only 7 months!

Bob

@jokerdino Do tell?

Wait, JS and Qt... I might be happier not knowing...

jokerdino

It's at concept stage. Creating a kanban app.

HackToHell

15:47

@jokerdino Did you do anything ?

Bob

Kan...ban?

HackToHell

I kinda know QML, haven't really done anything useful yet

jokerdino

@HackToHell You are supposed to start with coding the UI no?

HackToHell

!! tell bob wiki kanban

@jokerdino me !! ?? Okay ._.

allquixotic

@jokerdino I'm in for Qt, but JavaScript, !!no

jokerdino

15:48

I am learning JS atm.

@allquixotic for kanban style app, JS seems logical. O_o

Bob

Heh. Strangely, despite how much I dislike JS, I'm actually somewhat proficient in it now.

HackToHell

And the other option is to write it in C/C++

Bob

@HackToHell That doesn't really tell me much about it :P

allquixotic

@Bob you can't not be these days

HackToHell

And I don't know both

Bob

15:49

@HackToHell ...you do know there's literally hundreds, thousands, of other languages and frameworks?

HackToHell

@Bob It's effectively a notepad

jokerdino

HackToHell

@Bob Well we wanted to use Qt because it works on all platforms

Bob

When doing anything graphical, C/C++ should probably be the last thing to consider.

allquixotic

> Qt because it works on all platforms

Bob

15:50

@HackToHell So does Python, so does Java, so does C# (to an extent), so does... a whole lot of stuff.

allquixotic

!!no

bad reason to use Qt

HackToHell

oh

Bob

@allquixotic He's dead :(

allquixotic

@Bob FEEX IT!

Bob

Personally, C# is my first port of call for anything remotely GUI-related.

allquixotic

15:51

^

though Java/SWT is quite nice too

HackToHell

I can design stuff in Java

jokerdino

@allquixotic: Qt because I hate Gtk.

HackToHell

But @jokerdino doesn't know it !

Bob

!!poke

allquixotic

@jokerdino WinForms, while ugly, is cross-platform on mono

Bob

15:52

@allquixotic And quite easy.

!!poke

ChatBot John Cavil

@Bob That didn't make much sense. Use the !!/help command to learn more.

Bob

aww

jokerdino

Heya whoa. Qt5 is really nice and awesome.

Bob

!!listcommands

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HackToHell

15:52

Quick Qt is awesome, though QTCreator keeps seg faulting

Bob

One of those is supposed to say "I'm alive, I'm alive!"

jokerdino

And honestly, the idea is to get an app on Linux and maybe Android.

Bob

Or was it "I'm awake"?

allquixotic

!!live

ChatBot John Cavil

@allquixotic I'm not dead! Honest!

Bob

15:53

@jokerdino Then just do JS + HTML.

Don't mess around with porting apps.

Webapps work well on just about any platform.

allquixotic

@jokerdino hmm

jokerdino

Noo. How else can I learn Qt5?!

Bob

@allquixotic Wasn't their Android support rather pricey?

allquixotic

!!learn qt5 stop trying, Jokerdino

ChatBot John Cavil

@allquixotic Command qt5 learned

allquixotic

15:55

<3

jokerdino

What would that do?

Bob

Yea, Xamarin pricing for serious stuff is crazy: store.xamarin.com

jokerdino

@HackToHell: don't listen to these guys. Get back to JS + Qt5 ;p

Bob

Hopefully, with MS's latest releases, we can get good free C# on Android soon.

HackToHell

@jokerdino lol, wokey :D

allquixotic

15:56

@Bob that'd be weird: MS-sponsored C# (with GUI support) on Android O___O

like Xamarin but better and freeware?

HackToHell

They have worked on a lot more code than us though

It's been a long time since I coded anything

Bob

@allquixotic Ayup.

allquixotic

> wants to be a dev

Bob

@HackToHell And abandoned a lot more, probably :P

allquixotic

> been a long time since I coded anything

!!okay

ChatBot John Cavil

15:57

@allquixotic That didn't make much sense. Use the !!/help command to learn more.

Bob

!!meme okay

ChatBot John Cavil

Bob

@allquixotic Well, gotta (re)start somewhere.

jokerdino

@HackToHell True that. But you don't think we are making a bad decision right now?

Bob

@jokerdino Really, you can use anything and get it to work.

allquixotic

15:58

I think Qt5 is a fine choice overall because the GUI will be nice and pretty, but to avoid being dubbed a Lamer (™), use C++

"but I don't wanna" is not an excuse :D

HackToHell

o_0 Phone's getting heated up after flashing a new kernel

Bob

@allquixotic Personally, I'll take any excuse to use VS :P

HackToHell

@jokerdino I think we will stick to Qt

I like it :D

Bob

It's my favourite IDE by far.

Though, NetBeans is decent too.

allquixotic

using (just) Qt in C++ is pretty decent, anyway; the difficulty level is no harder than Java or C#

HackToHell

15:59

QtCreator is still far better then eclipse

allquixotic

when C++ gets really painful is when you start including stuff like Boost or C++11 functionality

you must have an epic beard to use Boost effectively

anything else and you're 6 feet under

Bob

@allquixotic Beard floaties!

HackToHell

And I kinda hate C

@JourneymanGeek Did you tag me in a post and then delete it ? :O

I got an email :P

allquixotic

it was probably a misclick -- mice, keyboards and even touchscreens aren't optimized to be ergonomic for dogs

HackToHell

jokerdino

16:09

@allquixotic Haha. The thing is I am only moderately good with python. Still learning other languages like JavaScript, Java and French.

@HackToHell yay!

Bob

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@jokerdino Then why not do this thing in Python? :P

jokerdino

because Hack doesn't like python

allquixotic

@jokerdino rightly so!

Bob

@jokerdino Blasphemy!

I bet he likes Perl. The outrage!

@allquixotic :(

Eh. I never actually figured out Python GUIs.

HackToHell

@jokerdino doesn't know

Bob

16:13

Great for short quick crap, though.

jokerdino

I have had co-developed a python Gtk3 app. It has come off well.

@Bob Oh definitely. Not so good for maintenance I must think

Bob

@jokerdino It's perfectly maintainable if you write it well.

Moreso than Perl, anyway.

jokerdino

> write it well.

allquixotic

Python code almost always comes with heavy bindings to C... "Python is for people who are too lazy to learn pointers but are happy to accept some inefficiency in their code in return for not having to specify the type of variables"

Bob

@jokerdino Applies to every language. Except those that are never maintainable.

HackToHell

16:15

@Bob like ?

Bob

@HackToHell You can't NDA GPL. Can you?

@HackToHell You ever heard of GolfScript?

allquixotic

@Bob Sure! Illegally.

HackToHell

@Bob You can't

Waiting for IBM/some other company to sue mediatek

Bob

Under GPL, you can provide the source to anyone you wish.

Unless they modify the licence, in which case it is no longer GPL.

HackToHell

@Bob nope

allquixotic

16:16

they can't modify the license of Linux or anything that incorporates the Linux code though

Bob

@allquixotic Eh, I just like the list comprehensions :P

HackToHell

dafcque golfscript.com/golfscript/syntax.html

Bob

And a great REPL.

Still can't find a good C# REPL :\

@allquixotic Of course. By "modify the licence", I meant the licence of code they wrote. You can never modify the licence of someone else's code without explicit permission.

allquixotic

@Bob PowerShell and CSharpCodeProvider?

Bob

@allquixotic Not a good REPL.

Missing autocompletion, for one.

And it doesn't really lend itself well to loops and functions.

HackToHell

16:21

Google should have released AOSP as GPL instead of ASL

allquixotic

@HackToHell they wanted to be "business-friendly" (read: allowing businesses to make proprietary stuff and not having to open source it)

so now they have to use underhanded tactics to prevent people from successfully making a competitor to Android that's closed source and based on Android itself

HackToHell

Though ASL is probably the reason why every phone manufacturer uses it

allquixotic

yup

Bob

@HackToHell Never seen it called ASL before :\

google.com/ads/preferences

jokerdino

Yes. Apache is called the Open source license or something.

Bob

16:25

Google thinks I'm female at home.

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HackToHell

And I seem to have opted out of everything

Bob

And it thinks I'm 35-44 at work.

HackToHell

lol

Bob

25-34 at home.

jokerdino

That sounds interesting. Where do you get such info?

HackToHell

16:28

3 mins ago, by Bob

http://www.google.com/ads/preferences

Bob

3 mins ago, by Bob

http://www.google.com/ads/preferences

HackToHell

I just opted in :P

Bob

.

HackToHell

Just to see how google sees me

Bob

I should probably opt out.

HackToHell

16:28

@Bob I WIN !

jokerdino

I didn't opt out. But it is not showing any piece of info. O_o

Just Unknown or None on the right column.

Bob

@jokerdino Based on cookies if logged out, google account if logged in.

I was looking at logged out stats.

jokerdino

blah -- brb

allquixotic

"Google ads across the web" thinks I'm male, 25-34 (correct), languages = "None" (I don't speak ANY human language!!!), and interests = movies, music & audio, TV & video, and ... "Adult Content"

!!meme okay

ChatBot John Cavil

HackToHell

16:31

@allquixotic LOL

That Brazilian Guy

@Bob, was it you that was telling me, weeks ago, about that ssh-like protocol that has auto-resume support and is resistent to disconnections

HackToHell

What did you search for :P :P

That Brazilian Guy

I can't remember its name

HackToHell

And I need a better alternative to SSH tunneling

It's too damn slow

allquixotic

why would google know if i'm into "Adult Content" >_>

That Brazilian Guy

16:33

@allquixotic Because you're ~~male~~ human.

allquixotic

@ThatBrazilianGuy but I don't speak any human language!

not even English!

Bob

@ThatBrazilianGuy mosh

That Brazilian Guy

@Bob THX :D

Bob

@allquixotic Heh. My one at work is perfectly fine, it got all the tech and programming stuff. And it knows I speak English.

That Brazilian Guy

(removed) and I'll deny even having ever written it.

Bob

16:35

At home, I speak no language, and apparently I like Action & Adventure Films, despite having watched maybe 15 movies in my entire life.

allquixotic

@Bob at work, going to that page displays <html><body>Advertisement</body></html>

HackToHell

reddit.com/r/videos/comments/224ckx/…

Bob

Also, somehow "Beauty & Fitness" got on that list.

I don't even...

HackToHell

@Bob WHAT

That Brazilian Guy

How can it have different profiles for home and work? Doesn't it is google-account based?

Bob

16:36

@ThatBrazilianGuy Cookie-based if you're logged out.

allquixotic

ugh @ThatBrazilianGuy

!! s/Doesn't it is/Isn't it/

ChatBot John Cavil

@allquixotic How can it have different profiles for home and work? Isn't it google-account based? (source)

BGM

Hello, everyone

Anyone here know about setting up virtual windows servers?

allquixotic

@BGM using what virtualization platform? ... or are you not to that point yet?

BGM

Ha ha! Hi, allquixotic - nice to see you here! Someday I'm going to buy you a beer.

Bob

16:39

@BGM Yea, kindamaybe

allquixotic

I don't drink (much) ;p

That Brazilian Guy

Looks like I speak both "N/D" and "None" idioms! Now I just have to become proficient in NULL!

Canadian Luke

Morning all!

BGM

@allquixotic Okay, so I have this 2-CPU/6-cores each Dell PowerEdge R620 that I want to install SQL server upon, but SQL server licenses by the core and since I don't want to pay $9600 for SQL, I decided to run a VM on the machine on which to install SQL.

allquixotic

I could totally freak you out about how I never consume liquids directly because it's Evil per my religion and I only ever obtain water by partaking of foods containing water (honeydew being a good example of a food containing lots of water), but if I did attempt to freak you out thusly, I'd be lying

BGM

16:40

Since I bought the machine from Dell, and bought SQL through Dell, they recommended me to use VMware Server.

That Brazilian Guy

@BGM Do the license allows running it on a VM? Do you own a license for the OS you'll install on the VM?

Bob

@BGM Heh, I was just setting something similar up on a T620 :P

BGM

@ThatBrazilianGuy Yes, the license allows for a VM. I have the license for Windows Server 2012 and it allows 2 virtualized instances.

Bob

I'd say SF is better, but they may or may not take kindly to 'beginner' questions (is this beginner?)... so... yea. Maybe not.

BGM

I've some experience running Windows 7 on VirtualBox, but VMware is baffling me even to install.

Bob

16:41

@BGM I believe it just restricts itself to a single core if you don't purchase licences for more.

BGM

I just want something simple!

@Bob The problem is that there are two CPUs, each with 6 cores.

Bob

Though it's also fairly standard now to virtualise when you have that much available - no single normal server role should need all of it.

allquixotic

@BGM honestly, VMware Server is probably a poor bet, if you're talking about the freeware product called VMware Server

Bob

@BGM And?

How is that a problem?

Oh, btw, ESXi free has a limit of 8 vCPUs per guest.

allquixotic

wait, I think Bob's onto something here

BGM

16:43

The Dell software technician told me that SQL license per core, so you have to buy a license for all the cores on the machine that hosts it.

So without the VM, I'd have to buy 6 licenses for my 12 cores.

Bob

@BGM There's several licence modes. There's also user CALs.

allquixotic

o____O

That Brazilian Guy

@Bob A friend of mine was introducing me to tmux and it reminded me of mosh a little bit

BGM

CAL only allows internal use. I want to allow some of the data to go toward my website.

allquixotic

at that price, I'd say, "screw it, I'm porting my software to PostgreSQL"

Bob

16:44

I'd also recommend looking at official docs, not Dell. Dell is fucking clueless half the time.

BGM

HEy! I got that paperclip guy again!

allquixotic

@BGM stop matching the regex, then :P

Bob

download.microsoft.com/download/7/3/C/…

allquixotic

@Bob WOW -- that PDF came up fast -- our proxy must have that on perma-cache :P

BGM

I don't know enough to argue with the Dell fellow.

allquixotic

16:45

our DB guys probably refer to it 100 times a week -_-

BGM

I don't really want a VM at all.

Bob

@BGM He seems to be right in this instance.

@BGM Why not?

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Q: When deploying a single server on new hardware, do you virtualize it or not?

There are a few questions that I've found on ServerFault that hint around this topic, and while it may be somewhat opinion-based, I think it can fall into that "good subjective" category based on the below: Constructive subjective questions: * tend to have long, not short, answers * have a cons...

@allquixotic It's MS.

Always fast.

BGM

@bob complexity.

I only need a SQL database that's not limited like express.

So, anyway, here I am with VMWare, and I apparently haven't purchased a technical service contract.

Bob

VMware is somewhat pricey, unless you use the free version of ESXi

Which is, again, limited to 8 vCPUs per guest.

BGM

Well, I've already purchased VMware at Dell's recommendation.

Bob

16:50

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jokerdino

Google says I am into "Australian Football".

BGM

It was like $400.

Bob

@BGM I recommend you go find someone to set it up for you -_-

BGM

@Bob Can it be so hard?

Bob

Not really, no, but if you have to ask such basic questions here (without mentioning you already purchased it, too), I don't hold much hope for you completing the rest of the process properly.

VMware is pretty well documented.

allquixotic

16:52

@BGM what is the actual name of the VMware product that you purchased?

"VMware Server" is freeware; it costs $0.

so logically, you purchased something else besides that.

BGM

Academic vSphere 5 Essentials Kit for 3 hosts Max 2 CPUs per host

Bob

Academic?

allquixotic

XD

BGM

Anyway, what I wanted to find out is whether I have to use vCenter with it. From what I can figure out is that vCenter is like a hub for virtual servers, but I don't want a hub. It wants to use a domain, too, and I don't want another domain on my network.

Bob

@BGM No, you don't.

What do you mean "another domain on your network"?

BGM

16:53

@Bob - academic - that's what they gave me - we are a Catholic religious order.

Bob

What on earth are you talking about?

AD?

BGM

Yes, AD.

Bob

If it's AD, there would be no reason to create a new domain anyway.

In any case, no, vCenter is not necessary.

BGM

Yes there is reason, actually.

If you have more than one domain it forces users to specify which domain they want to log into.

Which means their logins "change".

And you do endless tech support.

Bob

@BGM Let me rephrase. There is no reason to create a new domain for VMware.

BGM

16:54

I have a sharepoint portal with 500 users that depend on loggin in via domain credentials.

allquixotic

OH, so THAT'S what this is all about. D:

BGM

@Bob - no reason - that's what I think too. Which is why I came here to see if anyone else thought so, too.

allquixotic

full MSFT stack... wow... Sharepoint, Win Server, SQL...

Bob

@BGM You don't even need vCenter

BGM

Thanks for confirming my suspicions.

Bob

16:55

Look up the relevant docs.

Hell, look at the product pages!

> VMware® vCenter Server™ provides a centralized platform for managing your VMware vSphere® environments. Automate and deliver a virtual infrastructure with confidence.

allquixotic

vCenter is mainly for managing multiple separate physical hosts

BGM

Yes, I realize what vCenter is for.

allquixotic

from the sound of it you only have one host

BGM

Problem is there is v-everything and all the names sound the same.

And when you search the vmware site for docs you get v-everything for results

Ha ha.

Bob

What you need to do is 1. (preferred) get someone who knows what they're doing to set things up, or 2. install ESXi on the server, install vSphere client on a workstation somewhere, connect to the server with it and set up a VM.

allquixotic

16:57

2 isn't too bad, but you'll have to wipe the disk clean -_-

how'd the RAID thing work out for you btw?

BGM

wipe the disk? Why would I do that?

I want to install vmware on the server don't I?

Bob

@allquixotic Sounds like a new server anyway?

allquixotic

@BGM ESXi installs its own operating system as the barebones physical OS, wiping out Windows, meaning your only Windows would be virtualized

BGM

@allquixotic The RAID0 is working perfectly.

allquixotic

@Bob I was helping him just a week or two ago setting up the OS

Bob

16:58

...

I have no words.

Anyway, you could've checked a box for Dell to set the whole thing up for you in the factory.

Bleh.

allquixotic

@Bob he's running hardware RAID0 with a nightly backup (his customer is fine with potentially losing a day's worth of data, and he's planning on having a cold spare)

Bob

... ... ...

So... needs SQL Server, can't spare the money for a RAID 5 or RAID 10 array?

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