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allquixotic

18:17

@Bob cool, what are you in the market for ?

Lews Therin

18:33

Hey, any ideas of a cheap laptop that has dual bays? My current laptop has no space :(

Lenovo unfortunately doesn't.

Dell Alienware + precision laptops rofl

That Brazilian Guy

@LewsTherin What kind of bays?

Lews Therin

Sorry HDD

allquixotic

@LewsTherin how big is the hdd in your current laptop?

Lews Therin

I believe it is the stand 2.5 inches?

allquixotic

no. I mean capacity

in GB / TB

Lews Therin

18:45

Yeah :P

120 GB SSD

750GB HD

Why?

allquixotic

there are 2 TB HDDs out there

2.5"

amazon.com/gp/product/…

Lews Therin

Oh shit

When I meant running out of space I meant there are no more bays

If I had an extra bay or docking station for 2.5 inch disks that'd be nice.

I just don't want this disk to go to waste. And it is 750GB large

Bob

@allquixotic well, emergency situation

whatever I can get locally :P

phone's near dead

charging detection is spotty

charging = mobile connection drops off

mobile connection is similarly spotty

soupled with the high temps, pretty sure it's hardware failure

already opened it up; no obvious burns/corrosion

sooo... time for a new one anyway

allquixotic

@LewsTherin that's not normally what I think of when someone says they're "running out of space" -- that usually means low on disk space, not low on places to put new disks in the chassis

Bob

let's see

I could pick up a moto g

but it's a little underpowered if I want to keep using it

allquixotic

18:59

@Bob then you, me and JourneymanGeek would be Motorola heads

Bob

also considering the typical flagships

allquixotic

except that the G is worse (even in terms of its SoC) than the Droid Maxx :P

Lews Therin

@allquixotic Yep, understandable

Bob

e.g. s4 (already somewhat invested in samsung)

s5's going to be out soon, but too late for me

unless I use a temporary for the next month

allquixotic

@Bob any idea when the S5 is coming out? I've seen the ads for it but "sign up to be notified!" -_-

Bob

19:00

@allquixotic April 11 here

So a whole month.

allquixotic

too long if your phone is dying

Bob

I could get a $100 phone for the next month...

but... yea

allquixotic

yeah, see if you can't find an android phone on the cheap that will at least work for phone calls and RA

Bob

Also, launch s5 will likely be ~$900 (preorder price), which is a goof $300 more than an unlocked s4

so I might just go s4

prev-gen, sure, but probably more than good enough

@allquixotic I guess the first question is if I want a temporary cheap phone

I mean, there's certainly adequate phones in the $100 range for calls + basic browsing

allquixotic

I wonder if Samsung will sell US (700 MHz LTE) versions of the Galaxy S5 unlocked?

Bob

19:03

but if I do that and then get an s5, a total price of ~$1000 is rather hefty

Huh, a Lumia 1320 is only ~$400

allquixotic

@Bob U.S. income tax refunds, for those of us who overpaid the prior year, are landing for people any day now; in fact I'm expecting mine, and it's going to be rather large

Lews Therin

@Bob Wtf

allquixotic

not to disclose too much, but it's going to be rather close to 10% of my yearly salary

Bob

Let's see. An S3 4G is about $450

allquixotic

I'm going to have a supercharged bank account and will definitely be able to sink $$$ into an S5, if it doesn't suck

but I can't assume right now that it won't suck, because historically, Samsung devices have been hit-or-miss

Lews Therin

19:04

@allquixotic What is?

allquixotic

sometimes they release impossibly buggy

@LewsTherin read my immediately prior message

Bob

@allquixotic True, might be safer to go with an older model for me.

allquixotic

isn't the S5 going to come with a Snapdragon 801?

Bob

shrug

Actually, I don't know how the S4 is

allquixotic

the 801 is super fast compared to what I have, and totally skips the 800 generation. I have a Snapdragon S4 Pro, which is prior-prior gen

Bob

19:06

but no major headline complaints, so that's gotta be good

@allquixotic I don't know phone SoCs

allquixotic

the Galaxy S5 will probably come with pee detection so it automatically turns off when it detects you're holding it precariously over the toilet

to protect it from shorting out from water damage

Bob

lol

allquixotic

seriously, Samsung comes up with the worst gimmicky phone features

and they never work quite as you hope they do

never

Bob

actually considering an s4 active

sure, it's a tad weaker in specs

but water resistant :D

allquixotic

the active devices have weaker specs and lower battery life, which I consider unacceptable, even though the risk of certain types of damage is vastly reduced

Bob

19:07

@allquixotic well, I never had any hopes for dodgy camera-based gestures

allquixotic

huge cons more than counterbalance the modest pro

Bob

Hm

but it's about $700

or the Xperia Z1 O.O

> Xperia Z1 16GB Black

2.2 GHz Quad Core Snapdragon 800
20.7 Megapixel Camera Exmor Rs
5.0" Full HD 1080p Display

allquixotic

@Bob Qualcomm CPUs are easy. for the S4 generation, which launched in approx 2011 and saw very incremental changes up through 2013, there are four variants: "Play", "Plus", "Pro", and "Prime". The latter is too high TDP to go into phones, but the remaining three are in phones depending on price and target market segment. Play sucks, Plus is okay, Pro is fast, and Prime is for tablets.

Bob

and Nexus 6 release late this year

this was a seriously bad time for this :(

allquixotic

for the new (post-S4) generation, the model numbers range from the 200s (like the old Play), the 400s (like the old Plus), the 600s (like the old Pro), and the 800s (like the old Prime), except that the 800s are now going into smartphones because they have a lower TDP version that just fits within the TDP envelope of smartphone batteries

if the model number ends in a 0, it's a 2013 era; if it ends in a 1, it's a 2014 (April 2014, to be exact) era

so 801 is the fastest available Qualcomm SoC as of April 2014

Bob

19:11

hm

I could save some money and get a Nexus 5

allquixotic

Nexus 5 has a Snapdragon 800, which is fine, because it actually has the Adreno 330 GPU, which is the fastest Qualcomm GPU at the moment

Bob

why are the batteries all so crap

@allquixotic Do you know how that compares to the S4 SoC?

allquixotic

that's why I really hoped they'd release the Droid Maxx worldwide

@Bob the Snapdragon 800 with the Adreno 330 GPU is faster than the Snapdragon S4 Pro with the Adreno 320. by how much I'm not sure, but the GPU should be about 50% faster, and the CPU runs at a higher clock and is slightly more energy hungry when fully engaged

one of the main reasons why the Droid Maxx has such a long-lasting battery is that they conservatively went with a Snapdragon S4 Pro, which is basically an underclocked 800 without 802.11ac and a slower GPU and less hardware decoding support (fewer media codecs)

so the CPU is a sipper compared to the 800 "guzzler"

Bob

@allquixotic But what about the Exynos 5 the S4 uses?

allquixotic

@Bob Exynos is a different animal. it's a custom SoC built and tweaked by Samsung for their phones, and it has basically nothing to do with Qualcomm.

you can compare the performance and I'm sure there are benchmarks, but it's neither a newer nor older model of processor; it's just a different brand, per se

they are both based on the Cortex CPU designs from ARM, so CPU performance should be comparable.

but the real questions are in the other chipset functions (audio, GPU, memory, etc) performance deltas

and feature deltas too

Bob

19:17

@allquixotic ...I was hoping it would be easier. Ah well.

Psycogeek

more often the small devices advantage a lot from good GPU capablility, specially the high-res stuff. with the CPU they are seriously needing to address cooling issues.

Bob

@allquixotic Yea, I don't think I'd miss any of those.

Been on an S2 for two and a half years now, and the main issue would be the lack of RAM

allquixotic

@Bob here is what makes it the most complicated, in my eyes. the recent Exynos processors are "big.LITTLE" design, meaning they have a dual- or quad-core Cortex-A15 (blazing fast, basically, that's all you need to know about "A15"), and a dual or quad-core A7 (slow, basically, that's all you need to know about A7) at a much lower clock rate

none of the Qualcomm Snapdragon processors are big.LITTLE

Psycogeek

all that quad stuff they put in my phone, when they upped the res to desktop reses, it still has the most trouble with the gpu. It does not choke on games, but less rediculous resolution the games would be more fluid.

allquixotic

actually, I was wrong about Cortex and Qualcomm

Qualcomm licenses the core ARM architecture from ARM, but they don't license any specific CPU design at all; in other words, if you have Snapdragon, it's not based on ARM fab designs, just ARM "IP" -- the entire fab is designed by Qualcomm

Krait (CPU)

Krait is an ARM-based central processing unit included in Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 and Snapdragon 400/600/800 (Krait 200, Krait 300 and Krait 400) System on chips. It was introduced in 2012 as a successor to the Scorpion CPU and has architectural similarities to ARM Cortex-A15. Overview * 11 stage integer pipeline with 3-way decode and 4-way out-of-order speculative issue superscalar execution * Pipelined VFPv4 and 128-bit wide NEON (SIMD) * 7 execution ports * 4 KB + 4 KB direct mapped L0 cache * 16 KB + 16 KB 4-way set associative L1 cache * 1 MB 8-way set associative (dual-core) or 2 ...

Wiki claims it's similar to a Cortex-A15, but that doesn't mean the performance is going to be the same

Bob

19:22

> The S4 phone will easily last a day on standby with no apps running in the background.

...is that supposed to be a good thing?

Psycogeek

lol

allquixotic

@Bob lol

I think that battery technology is advancing slowly enough, and power consumption is advancing fast enough, that companies like Samsung and Motorola need to co-release a special model of phone alongside their others that comes optimized for extremely long battery life, at the willful expense of performance

Bob

fuck

I need to get a microsim too

@allquixotic you'd think with the "big.LITTLE" thing they'd at least have a good low-power mode

allquixotic

for the current gen, that would look something like: Snapdragon 801 that has been intentionally underclocked; LTE chip optimized for low power; and 720p screen (not 1080p; too energy-intensive)

@Bob I know, right? well, the CPU is ceasing to be the primary contributor to power consumption when the phone is mostly idle

the real killers are mobile data and the screen (especially 1080p screens)

Bob

@allquixotic Looks like the one in stock is an i9505, which uses a Snapdragon 600

allquixotic

19:26

I have a 720p screen and I absolutely do not care about 1080p

Bob

@allquixotic Neither; but once you look at current 720p phones, you miss out on a lot of other features.

> - Dropbox (50 GB cloud storage)

why the fuck is that a 'feature'?

allquixotic

@Bob everything about the 600 smacks of lower power consumption, because all the clocks are lower. that's a great thing if you want battery life, but they probably tanked the battery capacity along with it :/

Psycogeek

@allquixotic i have 1080 and i absolutly do not care for it to be that high. Without a magnifyer :-)

Bob

@allquixotic Both the i9500 and i9505 are 2600mAh batteries

allquixotic

oh!

LOL then maybe the i9505 has higher battery life than the one with the Snapdragon 800

Bob

19:27

But no more "big.LITTLE"

allquixotic

...oh. that sucks.

Bob

Stand-by 	(2G) / Up to 370 h (3G) 	(2G) / Up to 350 h (3G)
Talk time 	(2G) / Up to 17 h (3G) 	(2G) / Up to 17 h (3G)
Music play 	Up to 62 h 	Up to 62 h

The one on the left is the i9500

not that those figures are anywhere near accurate

allquixotic

so as far as they're concerned, the times are so close that it only makes a difference on standby

Bob

and neither has an FM radio D:

allquixotic

@Bob is this a problem? I haven't owned a phone that does radio for a long time...

Bob

19:29

@allquixotic Pretty much.

@allquixotic phonearena.com/news/…

@allquixotic I do like listening to FM now and then :P

The Exynos 5 and Snapdragon 600 are neck to neck

Seems Exynos 5 has better CPU but worse GPU performance

allquixotic

most Exynos procs have Mali graphics, which if I recall correctly is an ARM IP, but Qualcomm's Adreno has long been recognized as the fastest GPU product line on mobile

Bob

> if I were to pick a winner, the octa-core seems to have a slight edge on performance while the S600 has a slight edge on battery efficiency . Quite ironic since the Big.Little configuration (octa-core) is used to provide battery efficiency... yet the S600 has better results on battery life

allquixotic

just look at benchmarks for the Adreno 330 @___@ you need at least Intel GMA graphics on a laptop to beat it

Bob

@allquixotic The one is a PowerVR

@allquixotic ...beaten by an Intel GMA isn't exactly a glowing review

allquixotic

@Bob except that it has a much lower TDP than even the tiniest Intel GMA

Bob

19:33

True.

allquixotic

@Bob you know what really tickles me about the Adreno? anagram of Radeon. it was bought by Qualcomm from ATI last decade. so when you run Adreno, you're running a GPU design with a legacy of coming from ATI, which IMHO makes the best GPUs in the world for graphics (note I didn't say anything about GPGPU xD)

and not surprisingly, an IP based on years of ATI research soundly beats these n00b upstarts like Mali and PowerVR :)

Bob

lol

allquixotic

the only thing Adreno has to fear is Nvidia Tegra, but Tegra in phones is a hard sell because of the damn TDP

Bob

@allquixotic Seems like the Nexus 5 has better specs, but worse battery life. And the battery isn't user replaceable, which would do well as a tiebreaker for me :P

allquixotic

Tegra even pushes tablet batteries pretty hard

Bob

19:36

@allquixotic Well, Maxwell focuses a lot on efficiency, so hopefully that'll help

allquixotic

@Bob Tegra "Parker" based on Maxwell is due in 2015, so that's a long way off (compared to the other offerings that are here right now)

Bob

@allquixotic I kinda want to see GPGPU on phones just so I can laugh at anyone who thinks it's a good idea.

allquixotic

Tegra K1 is based on a heavily cut-down Kepler though, and it's damn fast, but hard to control its power budget

Bob

@allquixotic They're already doing pretty well by not melting the damn thing :P

wtf

allquixotic

theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2323193/…

Bob

19:40

the S4 has temperature, humidity and pressure sensors??

allquixotic

> Qualcomm said in a statement, "The recently released Nvidia Tegra K1 benchmark scores on an unreleased All-in-One desktop platform are generated without taking into consideration any thermal constraints of a mobile environment.

@Bob everyone can be their own weatherman! :D

next up: crowd-sourced weather

currently near you, 50 people report a barometer of...

Psycogeek

@allquixotic "I looked outside", "oh yea so did I"

"whats the weather like down there " " I donno let me check the web" ?

allquixotic

honestly, although all these new SoCs coming out claim extraordinary performance like "50x faster than Tegra 2" etc, for the things I do with my phone (tethering, web browsing, email), even the rendering performance in browsers is fast enough for me, on my Snapdragon S4 Pro with Adreno 320 graphics

until I got my Droid Maxx, I couldn't say to you with a straight face, "my phone is plenty fast enough"

but now I really think that is the case

Bob

> the LG G2 has an IR blaster that, in tandem with an app, allows it to act as a remote control for pretty much any device

Cool, can I control planes with it?

allquixotic

@Bob that's so 2002. my Samsung SCH-i730 (Windows Mobile) was a remote control for my TV.

Bob

19:43

XD

allquixotic

that was before app stores!

Bob

@allquixotic Apple (R) App Store (TM) (R)

allquixotic

whoops, now SE will get sued for saying "app store" without the ™®

a mod will have to edit my post

Bob

HTC isn't even in the running for my phone. Guess why.

Psycogeek

Not enough bloatware ?

Bob

19:46

One word: Beats.

@allquixotic Pretty much settles on an i9505. Cause that's the one the local store carries, and they do 5% price beating :P

If I could wait a bit longer, I'd more seriously consider the Nexus 5.

Or maybe even S5

allquixotic

the S5 is certainly on my periphery, but no way in hell am I buying it on release day. I don't trust Samsung not to hose up the software majorly.

need to see many reviews first

Psycogeek

From real users

allquixotic

@Psycogeek No, I only need to see reviews from big-time reviewers at C|NET who get paid $100k to write a positive review ;-)

I can see it now: "The Galaxy S5 is a revolutionary device that everyone should have to enhance their life. Go out and buy it now!"

Psycogeek

Gimme some free shi| and I would gladly leave off the cons

Bob

@allquixotic Have you heard of any issues with the S4?

allquixotic

19:54

Cons: I wish they'd have paid me another $80,000 or so to do this review...."

@Bob several, but it depends on the firmware, which is pretty manufacturer-dependent. also, doesn't the S4 have a Snapdragon in the US (Verizon and AT&T) and an Exynos for all you people with 20th century cellular networks? ;-)

it had something to do with the FCC

they looked at the Exynos and were like

!!no

ChatBot John Cavil

Bob

@allquixotic Well, the Snapdragon is the one available here.

oh wow gsmarena.com/…

I actually want that

> The majority of users will likely miss the TouchWiz advancements Samsung has implemented in its software package - the everything-but-the-kitchen-sink camera app, the 50 gigs from Dropbox, the smart gestures, Adapt sound, Air View, Direct Call, the list goes on and on into eternity.

Me looking at that list: Meh, why, nope, wtf, wtf, wtf

Oliver Salzburg

Great. I actually wanted to get some work done, instead I've wasted 2 hours debugging an issue produced by my own stupidity

allquixotic

@Bob "into eternity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" -- the shrill cry of a Samsung marketing drone

"YOU CAN'T LIVE WITHOUT OUR TOUCHWIZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Psycogeek

Whats with them going back to Soft buttons with the new phones? i hated soft buttons back when my device didnt have real buttons, and they had to lay in an extra screen space wasting chunk in to "fix" it. now i hear mention if that being a great feature.

allquixotic

20:04

me: stock Android + Google Play services is perfectly fine, TYVM

@Psycogeek they can remove the soft buttons to give you more screen space when watching fullscreen video; therefore they are better. QED

(this is their argument, not saying I agree with it)

Bob

@Psycogeek Ya. Another reason to consider the S4 active is it actually has hard buttons

Psycogeek

That MXplayer too cool, blind swipes (no actual buttons) changes about everything needed.

Bob

@Psycogeek Yup. And supports most, if not all, formats.

Psycogeek

@Bob I want diamond Bling around my phones original case , it looks so classy. Could they add that in too (barf)

Than i set the ringtone to "rhinestone Cowboy"

themobileindian.com/talktime/question/… Oh come now, they cant even describe what it is ?

Well it makes sound and , err it vibrates, and it uses the accelerometer, and err, well its not a GUI, but then again it isnt a TUI, but its isnt an OS??? It is a . . . copy paste from the samsung site, that'll fix it.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchwiz Oh, It is a bunch of the usual apps, added to the phone, with a central interface, and some skin changes.

Lews Therin

21:00

Anyone had experience with hdd caddys?

Or enclosures

amazon.co.uk/USB-3-0-External-Caddy-Enclosure/dp/B008TACL0A/…

But there is StarTech.. I wonder if it will boot into the OS though

Doesn't boot with docking station.

Psycogeek

21:32

@LewsTherin Me and "enclosures" is a trip to the dremmel (to put in air movement holes) at least that one has a metal case. the metal can be less insulative than plastic. For that price with the biggest complaints being what you can see from the pics. it looks ok.

Is also USB power dependant, i failed to notice. not a problem, but a concideration.

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Is there a way to figure out which user and/or which computer is remotely accessing my computer's Windows event log files? These accesses are locking applications on the local computer and thereby preventing their deletion. This access is showing up in ProcessExplorer as a TCP connection from mm...

The "thats really weird" question of the day. mmc.exe is the managment console?

Bob

21:50

@allquixotic Yep, current phone is screwed :P

suspiciously like this guy: forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/…

4 hours is enough for 700 MB of logs

Lews Therin

@Psycogeek dremmel?

Bob

!!tell 14281758 convert 30 lb to kg

..

!!info

ChatBot John Cavil

@Bob I awoke on Fri, 14 Mar 2014 04:00:28 GMT (that's about 17 hours ago), got invoked 19 times, learned 65 commands

Bob

!!tell 14281758 convert 30 lb to kg

!!tell 14281758 convert list

ChatBot John Cavil

@allquixotic C, F, K, m, f, km, cm, mm, i, d, r, g, lb, st, kg

Bob

21:55

ok wtf

Psycogeek

@LewsTherin high speed rotary craft tool. ebay.com/itm/… With cutting wheel, makes cool horizontal slits. Or drill for drilling holes.

A post manufacture modification device .

Psycogeek

22:08

This was my weirdest and most useless passive cooling of an enclosure to date.

Chimneys, using convection heat flow (heat rises) to try and get the media chips in ther to cool out and work for longer. It is an old 3.5 PATA media box, with older media chips, and nothing I did for cooling it , fixed the minor but inconvienient problem it had.

They had some holes, but most are blocked by the components in it, you can see how the drive itself rests against the plastic.

Psycogeek

22:38

superuser.com/questions/729176/… ""My pc has no WiFi card so I use my phone by connecting it by USB and going into setting, more networks, Tethering and portable hotspot then selecting USB tethering. "" Stuff like this should be saved for Wireless blogs and computer convention speeches.

Journeyman Geek

23:44

@Bob stuff like that is why I have something like 80 gb of dropbox space ;p

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