Root Access

gparyani

00:12

@JourneymanGeek How many times have you seen people outside wearing a bib saying, "I'm a litterer."? stupidlaws.com/…

Journeyman Geek

@gparyani: it was all over the newspaper when the law was first introduced.

gparyani

@JourneymanGeek Yes, but how many times?

Journeyman Geek

personally? None

gparyani

@JourneymanGeek How about the law that states that you can't speak to a donkey in Chinese?

allquixotic

@gparyani as long as they don't make it illegal to communicate to horses in morse code in Australia; if that were the case, @Bob would be really in trouble

Journeyman Geek

00:28

@gparyani: I've never seen a donkey in singapore.

Psycogeek

00:53

channel9.msdn.com/blogs/coolstuff/… . What the other MS programmers do when they cant work on the actual Kernal? Or fix the complex bugs? . . ""it’s shows that there has been thought and detail put into even smallest features, which is a promising sign for what’s ahead."" uhh, gee , i cant wait.

allquixotic

I'm laughing myself silly right now... so stressed out about work that my coping mechanism is to laugh

Journeyman Geek

lol

bleh, out of stuff that I want to read.

I have books, but I just ploughed through the stuff that really interests me.

Psycogeek

01:08

This color things isnt working on mine. I think it is because i left in a few details, Like What the heck, and what instance of that icon it refers to .

Bob

@allquixotic Horses? Morse code? Am I missing something?

allquixotic

01:24

@Bob it's part of "What does the fox say?"

Bob

..................................

Anonymous

@allquixotic don't you worry child

Anonymous

I got the joke

HackToHell

02:21

Oh C why u no have a LinkedList library :(

HackToHell

02:52

Bleh, Every time I do something with pointers and arrays in C there comes Seg Fault ._.

allquixotic

03:06

C has many good linked list implementations... You just have to use one

GLib has most of what you could need for general programming

Runtime type system, object orientation, stream based networking, file watching, disk stream I/O, main loop, data structures

If you are writing your own linked list implementation in C, YDIW.

HackToHell

03:27

@allquixotic I have a test today and I am supposed to cook up a program that uses Linked List\

And I can use only standard libraries

allquixotic

04:22

Who the fuck writes c code using only standard libraries? Fire your teacher.

Not even on embedded devices do they do that. EVERYONE uses libs in C!

Because the standard C library functions are ridiculously hard to use correctly and in an error-free way

Paul

05:13

@allquixotic I guess the point here is to learn how to write a linked list. That is a different exercise to learning how to use a linked list library

Bob

07:10

@allquixotic People in beginning programming courses :P

But a DIY LL isn't that bad.

Bob

08:00

> The Swiss Air Force did not respond because the incident occurred outside of normal office hours, which are 08:00-12:00 and 13:30-17:00. According to a Swiss air force spokesman, "Switzerland cannot intervene because its airbases are closed at night and on the weekend...[11]It's a question of budget and staffing."[12] Switzerland relies on neighboring countries to police its airspace outside of regular business hours.

Ethiopian Airlines Flight 702 hijacking

Ethiopian Airlines Flight 702 was a scheduled flight from Addis Ababa to Milan via Rome on Monday, 17 February 2014. The aircraft was hijacked by the unarmed co-pilot while en route from Addis Ababa to Rome, and landed at Geneva. All 202 passengers and crew were unharmed. Incident Flight 702 was scheduled to depart from Addis Ababa Bole International Airport in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia at 00:30 EAT (UTC+3) on 17 February 2014. The aircraft's transponder began to emit squawk 7500—the international code for an aircraft hijacking—while flying north over Sudan. When the pilot exited the cockpit ...

An air force has office hours??

Psycogeek

08:39

@Bob sure but dont tell. On the base i was on , which had to respond to a USSR nuclear strike in 20 minutes, rolled up the streets at 6pm and went home :-) of course they are dutifuly waiting for someone to wake the president at 2AM , and give him 3 minutes to compose himself and send out codes to the people fast asleep (i mean on watch) so they could go on alert. the rest of the base taking from 10-40 minutes to react , if they showed up stark nakid.

Of course I was there , night and day to provide support, if anyone needed a bag of weed, or needed a tire changed :-)

May just be there someone should put various scenarios like that in the movies, add a bit of Tension and adventure, as the president accidentally launches on california , from a bogus error of some new computer system put in. (the one thing still fully awake at the moment)

Security, its just like computer security, or like calling the cops, or anoything else, it works right after the deed is done.

Psycogeek

09:18

_In hot tech news, LCD monitors up the refresh rate, by returning to CRT tricks (sort of) youtube.com/watch?v=hD5gjAs1A2s The amazing blur busting backlight strobing of the newest gaming monitors. I can't wait to get that pulsing throb of a CRT back into my vision again.

And . . . displaylag.com/display-database/#participants-list 120htz TVs with more lag than an IPS monitor. What? But i bought an IPS because I wasnt worried about lag, it was the one thing that had bad specs.

(well specs is specs, and specs aint reality, more often sales)

Bob

5

Q: How to screenshot a Blue Screen Of Death (BSOD)

I am using windows 7. Recently my computer crashed, and displayed the dreaded BSOD: I was trying to copy down the error message, but I didn't have enough time. Is it possible to take a screenshot of the BSOD?

I really wanted to answer "with a camera"

Psycogeek

"All BSODs are stored on your computer" unless your computer crashed , then they might not get stored :-)

I say go with the camera, its sure.

sammyg

11:58

Guys I need latest BIOS for ASUS A88X-PLUS. Any idea where I can grab it?

I think Asus just changed their stupid website.

All I see is a big splash screen that says "WE ARE HERE TO HELP".

Sathya

I have no words for this.

Psycogeek

@sammyg wait 5 days for them to put out a new one?

sammyg

@Psycogeek I need a new BIOS badly. The new AMD A10 Black Edition APU doesn't work at all with ASUS A88X-Plus board.

Not on BIOS 0501 at least.

All I see is this...

How exactly is this supposed to be helpful?

Psycogeek

@sammyg take it back? asus.com/Motherboards/A88XPLUS/#support what do you see at a link like this one?

Here it shows an almost as usless empty support page.

sammyg

I went to the product page, then the support tab, but that doesn't give me the option to select my stupid OS.

So when I click the OS selection drop down menu it give me nothing!

?

And that other support main page I screenposted before is just some stupid random FAQ and "knowledge base" search function.

No downloads there, and no help or support. So much for "WE'RE HERE TO HELP".

Doesn't ASUS have an FTP service? Where I can hook up and get my BIOS file?

Psycogeek

12:08

@sammyg well, you got further than i did :-) When i got the updates for my asus, the OS selector failed, and tossed error, many times. But eventually something worked. But if it dont work out of the box, todays Asus bios updates may very well not help. Lots of bioses little change.

sammyg

I'm building a new PC and I need this latest 11xx something BIOS version. I'm stuck at the stock 0501 which is just the second version that came after the initial version when the A88X-Plus was released.

My AMD APU is too new...

It's the A10-7850K.

Released January... 2014

My Asus motherboard BIOS version is September... 2013

Journeyman Geek

there's usually a way to upgrade bioses without an OS

you just download the bios flash file (which is OS agnostic) stick it in a USB drive and do something

sammyg

Part # AD785KXBJABOX and it wasn't listed on processor support list last time I checked... when the Asus site acutally worked for once...

Journeyman Geek

ok, what the fark

Psycogeek

@sammyg so, is it just a recognition problem? Many times a bios did not recognise my cpu by name, but it changed nothing. If it is an actual feature set, then i would be scared to think it would be majically supported. Dont you know you supposed to wait till V2 , so you have less problems.

Journeyman Geek

12:12

@sammyg: you could always email asus and bitch at them ;p

their webpage is clearly broken

Psycogeek

@JourneymanGeek It is probably improved :-)

Journeyman Geek

hm, opensurface's site is still down

sammyg

I also need to check my Corsair RAM sticks against their list of supported brands and models... it's either the RAM or APU, or in fact BOTH!

I managed to install Windows 7 yesterday on the Samsung SSD but the system sometimes complains about BOOTMGR missing, and sometimes boots without a problem... and other times it doesn't find a bootable media....

Psycogeek

@sammyg oh so the real problem is the shi| dont work?

Journeyman Geek

wait. the system boots?

You might be able to use the asus bloatwareish stuff to get a bios update, assuming thats where the problem

sammyg

12:17

It works sometimes... but for the most part no...

No it won't boot right now...

Windows 7 installation was stuck at 5% yesterday for FOUR HOURS...

Psycogeek

Good idea, if you got the bloatware with the added toolbars, you could always install it get a virus, then update on the web, with a broken wifi :-)

Journeyman Geek

hm. thats not your bios

sammyg

The next morning I press the power button and it MAGICALLY boots right into Windows 7!! =/

The BIOS is older than the MB!? How can it not be the BIOS?

BIOS: 0501, September 2013
APU: A10-7850K, January 2014

Psycogeek

@sammyg Nowdays if the cpu fits in the socket, it should work :-)

sammyg

Also, the red LED lights up and stays on sometimes when I enter BIOS and then press the Reset button. Somtimes not...

On the motherboard that is...

Yeah, it should be simple. But honestly, with these f-ed up "UEFI" shit BIOS-es it's a lot of unnecessary work. I don't get it... they don't even work properly at all times.

Psycogeek

12:22

@sammyg Uhh V2 (i am just buggin you) that sounds more like other stuff, the usual stuff ya work out while getting stuff all setteled in, set right, and all them wires and stuff.

sammyg

@Psycogeek What do you suggest?

I ran Memtest86 and my RAM sticks seem to be OK.

No errors reported.

Psycogeek

@sammyg This is wonderfull new software with new advanced features. And lookie mom what they can do now.

sammyg

PassMark version 5.

Psycogeek

@sammyg great.

sammyg

corsair cmx8gx3m2b1600c9

I have those sticks!

Those should be OK, right?

Except they are made in Taiwan...

Psycogeek

12:26

You can get to this UEFI right? Yes ram should be fine.

sammyg

Yes, I can enter "UEFI" BIOS.

Psycogeek

Did they give ya all kinds of buttons to push in it? push em :-)

Hmm where to start when i know nothing about AMD CPUs other than a few.

sammyg

Buttons?...

Psycogeek

How assembled are you already before trying to actually run it? Because for me i have to spend a day testing?

Do you have a seperate GPU card? is it already installed?

sammyg

Can you rephrase that question?

No, no GPU card.

Psycogeek

12:31

Did you already connect up all the case wiring?

sammyg

It's an APU = CPU + GPU.

Psycogeek

do you have more than 1 storage item wired in?

sammyg

Yup! Main ATX power, 24 pin, extra auxiliary P2 connector for APU, SATA power to SSD and HDD.

SATA channel 1, and 2.

RAM on DIMM 1 and 3, Channel A1 and B1. Dual channel.

I tried with SSD only, no difference.

Haven't tried with HDD only.

Maybe I should... and try installing Windows 7 on it instead of SSD.

Psycogeek

But you already have SSD with partitions and semi-operational windows system.

sammyg

That is correct. The SSD was new, but the Windows 7 started installing on it so it has put some stupid partitions on it already, probably...

Psycogeek

12:35

You see i would not have got past the Bios and power operations stuff, if for a moment it did not act as it should.

sammyg

So it's the SSD then?..

Psycogeek

Too many times i have to tear the whole freaking thing back apart, to see what step , might have caused an issue. But you did memory check.

sammyg

If BIOS is unstable, it doesn't matter if it passes the first or a second time...

it might fail the third time...

If it doesn't recognize all your components properly.

A10-7850K is displayed in BIOS.

But that's just a name...

I would love to grab a new BIOS, flash it, and be done with it, just to play on the safe side.

Psycogeek

@sammyg Then try more with that fine website, clear cookies, try different browser.

sammyg

But stupid Asus can't offer it up on their website... and their tech support is terrible, they don't offer phone support in my area and yet they cash in money big time here, they have enormous presence in this market. I'm in Europe, Sweden.

Psycogeek

12:42

@sammyg uhh gigabyte? I find asus is a bit like sony, support sucks, but i hopefully never need it. But i do agree with you this very first bios , might not be so great, the 2nd should be V2 of it, and the rest better address a specific issue. (the other bioses might not do diddley unless it states that is does for a specific issue)

sammyg

I see now that my RAM sticks are not listed on the QVL list

dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/SocketFM2/A88X-PRO/…

Psycogeek

Sometimes the Asus.tw site (taiwan) however that is done, might work better. I am checking to see if i can get it on the other puter.

sammyg

For Kaveri CPU

"Memory_QVL_List_for_Kaveri_CPU"

dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/SocketFM2

"403 - Forbidden: Access is denied."

Why?

Or why not put up an ftp such as ftp.asus.com for God sake?

Taiwan website is of not much help either.

I can't read that, but they don't appear to have the A88X-Plus over there.

The one shown in the banner on the screenshot is the A88XM model (MicroATX).

I can't use that BIOS for mine...

I give up on this... for now...

@Psycogeek Thanks for trying!

I appreciate that!

Bye for now!

Psycogeek

Ok, i used the support first method, and got the actual OS selector function. But 0 Files.

sammyg

OK

There you see...

That's why you should only buy MSI boards! :P

And Intel props!

Psycogeek

13:01

Live chat :-)

Wecome to our "new site" and there is a live chat, lemme see if i can get to that.

service.asus.com/#

thursday 24hour support, but "component support" 7am-6pm

service.asus.com/#!consumer/csn9

allquixotic

13:31

@Paul true, but after successfully writing linked list implementations in C, C++, Lisp and Java during school, I forgot how to do it, and would need to think pretty hard to successfully write one on the spot right now... I have a few of the algorithm "memes" memorized, but not well; almost all data structures I use these days are from robust standard libraries.

@Bob for production purposes, I wouldn't trust it! obviously someone had to DIY a linked list implementation to get a library written, but I'd much sooner trust a library that has been used by thousands or millions of projects than something written in-house, even if the coder is very intelligent and the code has unit tests and so forth

Bob

@allquixotic I mean, as a student's assignment.

allquixotic

code is like science: its empirical reliability is measured by how well it stands the test of time (without being modified)

2

if there's a linked list implementation in a library like .NET (or whatever, just using .NET as an example) that hasn't been modified in months/years except to add documentation or whatever, and no one has found any bugs in it, chances are it's pretty damn solid

I'd take that any day over the top programmer in the company writing a hand-rolled linked list in C (or any language), writing 60 unit tests and claiming it's faster and better and ours so we should use it

could still be a bug

Bob

I use C#/Python/JS/Java. DIYing any standard data structure would feel pretty ugly to me :P

HackToHell

@allquixotic Like Bob said, I am starting data structures

Bob

But, again, as far as student assignments go it's a nice intro to lower-level languages.

That Brazilian Guy

13:35

I have the server log open here. Is it normal for each link I open on a certain site it generates two GETs, one for the page address and other for GET /assets/template/default/css/style.min.css?v=1

Shouldn't the CSS get cached?

HackToHell

@Bob Thanks to fing pointers I am learning to use a debugger now

Bob

lol

@HackToHell A debugger will always be useful/necessary for the rest of your programming career.

@ThatBrazilianGuy Only if you're returning the correct headers.

HackToHell

Learning java first I never really understood the need for debugging(low level stuff like in Olly).

Bob

@HackToHell What.

HackToHell

@Bob yeah

Bob

13:38

I would say you have not properly learned Java. Or not properly used it.

HackToHell

I have not properly used it, I know about jdb

i know to set breakpoints and step through

That Brazilian Guy

I'll see what PageSpeed for Firebug says

allquixotic

yeah you definitely need a debugger even in Java with no native methods

HackToHell

@allquixotic The one in eclipse is good enough for small projects

allquixotic

you haven't debugged until you've used Eclipse's java debugger

@HackToHell screw that; the one in Eclipse is good enough for enormous projects

trust me

rlemon

13:43

@CanadianLuke superuser.com/users/307432/ramhound troll user with nothing but troll answers.

FYI

HackToHell

@allquixotic oh, I don't really know. i have used it only for trivial stuff.

allquixotic

@rlemon looking at the URL, I thought for a second that you were referring to our actual Ramhound (the 10k+ guy) and I thought "troll user" was an appropriate label; but now I realize you really meant troll of a 1 rep user with the same name

HackToHell

Managing memory on your own is hard :/

rlemon

-2

A: How to turn on the webcam? (Ubuntu)

I find when trying to turn something on, the environment has to be just right. I find some candles and some Tom Jones playing in the background can get the two of you in the mood. The webcam will be turned on in no time

his answers are all like this

user for 1 day

nothing but - voted answers.

@CanadianLuke superuser.com/users/307430/testie-van-ballwrinkle

I think they are the same user trolling SU

allquixotic

fyi @CanadianLuke isn't a moderator on SU

Bob

13:48

@allquixotic lag lag crash lag crash

rlemon

aww I thought he was

ahh well. a mod is a mod. he has the mod connections

allquixotic

@Bob CLOSEDNOREPRO

HackToHell

@Bob lol

allquixotic

seriously, I've been using Eclipse for years on Windows and Linux, and the only system I've ever seen perform poorly with it was my work workstation -- which has 4 GB of RAM, so everything performs poorly on it

but, back when my primary laptop had 4 GB of RAM, I used Eclipse a lot on it, and it was fine... Eclipse's system requirements have increased since then I'll bet, so 4 GB is probably no longer enough, but it was more than enough for like, Helios

That Brazilian Guy

@rlemon I laughed.

HackToHell

13:51

Gradle will not start in my machine, it has 3 GIGs of ram :|

I have to close ff, spotify and get the free ram to 2 gigs to get it to start

That Brazilian Guy

@Bob Turns out it was 304-not-modified replies from the server

75

A: HTTP status code 200 (cache) vs status code 304?

The items with code "200 (cache)" likely have future-dated Expires: headers that denote that they will be valid for awhile without need for refresh, or are a special case like favicons (most browsers cache them awhile without checking for changes unless you force-refresh or clear cache). When th...

rlemon

vim cares not about lack of RAM

vim is love, vim is life. vim is everything.

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Bob

@allquixotic If 4 GB of RAM is not enough for an IDE, then I consider the IDE broken.

That Brazilian Guy

vim cares not about the lack of usability

rlemon

(recently switched to ST)

Bob

13:54

Eclipse. Default memory allocation 512 MB. Increased to 2 GB. Still performed like shit.

NetBeans. Perfectly fine at a max of 700 MB.

rlemon

all that day when you first start on linux and accidentally start vi/vim and are lost for a few hours trying to figure out how to close it. give up and reboot the computer.

Bob

Visual Studio. Have yet to see it exceed 600 MB.

rlemon

really

my VS will eat up as much as I allow it

vs2012

Bob

@rlemon It does depend somewhat on the size of the project.

Oliver Salzburg

My VS uses up 1GB of RAM when it's not even running!

Bob

13:55

But NetBeans and Eclipse were running the same projects, so that's a fairer comparison.

rlemon

ooo @OliverSalzburg are you a SU mod?

Bob

(Actually, NB was running more)

rlemon

you are !

\o/

Oliver Salzburg

Indeed I am

rlemon

superuser.com/users/307432/ramhound and superuser.com/users/307430/testie-van-ballwrinkle want some mod love

(troll accounts)

ohh snap

Oliver Salzburg

13:56

I just destroyed them

rlemon

nvm

Bob

@rlemon How much when no solution loaded? 150 here.

rlemon

I didn't F5 before I said that

Bob

Also, lag or no lag, Eclipse comes with plugins that crash randomly. That's just plain unacceptable.

rlemon

eh, 80 meg

I do work on larger projects.

guess I never looked before loading one

Bob

13:58

Somehow, some people apparently have no trouble with it. Eclipse has been an utter failure for me on four completely different systems.

rlemon

is Eclipse still written in Java?

Bob

Yes, AFAIK

rlemon

ugh

Bob

Most of the lag corresponds with its GC

rlemon

well last time I used it was many years ago and it was laggy as hell

I blamed Java

allquixotic

13:59

@Bob if an IDE I'm using doesn't have as many refactoring tools as Eclipse, or as good auto code completion and syntax highlighting as Eclipse (while being customizable and allowing you to specify your own format rules for auto-formatting code), I consider that IDE feature-deficient. I don't have time to fix every fricking whitespace and curly brace to meet my style guide, and I care a lot about style consistency, but it's too time-intensive to fix it manually.

@Bob there may be third party Eclipse plugins that crash; in fact I'm sure there are -- but I've never seen a built-in Eclipse plugin crash on a stable release, so I'm not sure what you're referring to

you have a completely different experience with it than I do

Bob

@allquixotic I've tried Juno, Kepler, Galileo, Europe. Nope.

Completely standard EE version.

allquixotic

what are you doing to it? trying to load a 4 GB WAR?

oh. EE. well I have only used the EE version of Eclipse for an academic project; every other time I've used it has either been for Java SE, or for Android, or for C/C++ development

Bob

At work - Win7, i7-3770, 4 GB RAM, SSD, JS-heavy project

At uni - Debian, some i5 proc, 8 GB RAM, HDD, brand new standard Java application project

allquixotic

the JavaEE version of Eclipse worked fine for me for a fairly minor academic project that introduced me to EE concepts (servlets et al) but I haven't tried it with a "JS-heavy project"

Bob

At home - Win7, i7-2600, 8 GB RAM, HDD

allquixotic

14:03

never seen the Java SE stuff crash, except WindowBuilder, which Google bought and released as FOSS, and WindowBuilder has been getting improvements of late

Bob

@allquixotic Yea, it's an ExtJS webapp

couple of servlets, but a whole lot of JS

Eclipse's JS validator completely fucking dies on a ~500 line file

allquixotic

JDK8 shipping with Nashorn should make JS running in the JVM.... interesting, to say the least. the old Rhino path is going away because it's slow and awful

JS is getting JIT'ed to native code just like Java

basically JDK8 contains something like V8 (though the codebase shares no actual code with V8)

Bob

@allquixotic There should be no JS running in Eclipse.

allquixotic

@Bob well... thing is, the Nashorn engine supports "compiling" JS, which I believe translates it into JVM bytecode, which is then JIT'ed to native

you can ask Nashorn to compile your JS, and if it throws an exception, you can probably get some details about why it doesn't compile... tada, JS validator!

and Eclipse should totally throw out whatever they're using instead once they start to require JDK8

Bob

@allquixotic ...

Meanwhile, NB uses JSHint/JSLint and can actually provide helpful advice beyond syntax errors, and doesn't take half a fucking day to do anything.

Darth Android

14:27

I still have yet to find something that matches IntelliJ/WebStorm when it comes to JS support

Canadian Luke

@rlemon @allquixotic I'm not a super user mod yet ;-)

allquixotic

@CanadianLuke pff! like you have a chance?! JourneymanGeek is basically a lock for the next election

you could end up being a dark horse tho

(not saying I have any better a chance; I don't)

basically we're all going to get owned by JourneymanGeek

in almost all elections I've seen, most people vote based on reputation

harrymc could run and get in, even though he doesn't participate in the community outside of googling questions with a bounty and providing 5-6 links that may or may not be helpful

typical user: "wow look at that rep! click"

Psycogeek

14:51

Know how many people voted last election?

allquixotic

no idea

Braiam

which? SU?

Psycogeek

@Braiam yea on SU?

Braiam

> voters were eligible, 3,011 visited the site during the election, 2,057 visited the election page, and 1,011 voted

allquixotic

lol even worse participation than the US President general election

66% visited, and 50% of those who visited said "screw this, this is dumb", and the remaining 33% of the original actually casted a vote

i wonder if in real life 50% of the people who go to their polling place say "screw this, I'm leaving"

Journeyman Geek

15:01

@allquixotic: quite a few might wish they did

also, rep aside, I'm pretty visible on SU and the network in general.

Psycogeek

ahh its the election before that, that had so few. "4,566 voters were eligible, 505 visited the election, and 213 voted"

Journeyman Geek

iirc it was the first election

maybe the second. I didn't even know the last election was on until nominations were nearly over XD

Ash

Whats your thoughts on android device manufacturers paying to Microsoft ? does anyone know what they pay for.(anything other than FAT ? )

Journeyman Geek

@Ash: no one really knows. thats part of the shakedown

Psycogeek

@JourneymanGeek look like the "historical record" shows only those 2.

Journeyman Geek

15:06

I suspect a lot of design related crap

@Psycogeek: sounds about right.

we've had enough mods not to have an election last year.

allquixotic

@Ash not FAT; exFAT, I think

probably also NTFS support

DLNA perhaps

Ash

@JourneymanGeek How come no one not really knowing about this ?? Atleast the device manufacturers should know that ?

Journeyman Geek

@Ash: cause many of these companies shot gun patents

actually...

Ash

@allquixotic (tongue in cheek) ahh..

Journeyman Geek

hm, I'd think they'd have a list of patents on the system itself.

@Ash: patents are supposed to be public. But basically if they're obvious, they can be repealed. They're also per country.

so they basically go "nice phone, pity if it was taken off the market. And a small donation per phone would do wonders to stop that from happening"

3

and its not just MS

creative seems to be quite heavily invested in getting revenues off patents, even if they haven't slipped into full patent trolldom yet

(wierdly, their patents are on software, where they traditionally suck. Then they sell their zii division to intel - they were working on an interesting multicore chip that they never seemed to use on anything)

That Brazilian Guy

15:32

Is it an ExpiresDefault Apache directive enough to avoid HTTP Status 304 responses from the server? I have set ExpiresDefault "access plus 10 years" but I'm still seeing log entries with a 304 response for "GET /assets/template/default/css/style.min.css?v=1 HTTP/1.1" whenever I open any page on a local PHPMyFAQ site.

Emptying the browser cache doesn't seem to change anything.

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek also, "Patent Pending" stuff (where the patent wasn't granted yet, but is filed) can be used to threaten legal action. you can't take legal action based on a pending patent, but a company won't want to live under the threat that if the patent is granted, they're liable

so you can file a patent saying "I invented the electron!" and threaten people with it, and judging that the patent office people are about as intelligent as Utkarsh, there's actually a nonzero chance of it being granted

I can see the USPTO internal IM system now:
Joe Patent Examiner: Help!
Coworker: No, *you* help *me*!
Joe Patent Examiner: Please, Help! I need to decide on this patent TODAY!
Coworker: Whatever, just allow it already so you can help me!

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also, with international trade agreements being what they are, U.S. granted patents are basically worldwide -- they aren't literally worldwide, but they span a huge number of industrialized countries, and even some non-industralized ones

That Brazilian Guy

> So Danish inventor Karl Kroyer designed a ship-raising technique that involved filling the vessel with small, buoyant balls injected through a tube. The combined buoyancy of which would float the ship to the surface. It took 27 million balls, but it worked.

> Well, Kroyer understandably wanted to patent his idea. He applied to the German, U.K. and Dutch patent offices, and while the first two countries said sure, the Dutch office stopped him cold. They said he was stealing. From Donald Duck

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allquixotic

the patent system would be better if they had intelligent patent examiners who knew what they're doing; if there were formal rules written into law dictating exactly how original a patent needs to be; if there were formal rules expressly defining software as mathematics and making any such abstract concept unpatentable by law; and if any person in the world could submit a formal challenge to a patent by providing evidence and a small ($20 - $200) processing fee and have it decided...

... (repealed/upheld) within 30 days.

but even then, it would still suck a lot

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That Brazilian Guy

16:00

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Psycogeek

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Psycogeek

16:34

Uhh that was the Dawn of mans First invention. , my anscestors who now collect 50 million dollers a year from baseball, and cricket :-)

Bob

source

Psycogeek

Our last lawsuit against the olympics is over pole valting, and Javelin toss, the lawyers are now concentrating on ski poles and are working thier way towards shovels and picks.

Because they also invented the concept of One and then Nothing, which is the basis for the whole binary systems 0 and 1 , they will be collecting $8 for every device that applies the 0 and 1 in any way.

Plus they are going to trademark Neandrathal, and get some back rent from those overpriced school books.

Varaquilex

17:13

Hey guys, I'm having huge trouble with the BIOS/UEFI of my laptop. Can you please take a look at this? superuser.com/questions/728644/…

updated the question with some more info, please take a look at it if you know about UEFI.

Canadian Luke

@Varaquilex Just so you know, double-posting in the chat isn't really smiled upon

Varaquilex

@CanadianLuke Noted, sorry about that.

Canadian Luke

No problem, not the end of the world

Bob

@CanadianLuke Eh, we don't really mind if someone tries to bring attention to a question. Or do you mean posting the same question repeatedly?

allquixotic

17:39

@Varaquilex looks like you're answering your own question with repeated edits

Bob

@allquixotic That's a good thing :D

allquixotic

also, the question smacks of a troubleshooting question which is not canonical in nature, which is......

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A: Are diagnostics/troubleshooting issues on-topic and not too localized?

Troubleshooting questions are bad! We are a Question & Answer site, not a forum. You mentioned becoming a clone of Wikipedia, which is basically exactly what we should be. (Obviously, we don't want to be an exact clone, but we want to be an encyclopedia of problems and solutions to these problem...

"bad!" --SU Mod

Bob

@allquixotic That's not a good thing D:

Well. Perhaps it can be turned into a canonical question after the problem/solution is found.

Varaquilex

@allquixotic Answering? I explain the situation I'm in, not answering how will I be able to boot into linux.

I see it's bad but I'm sort of helpless here :/ Don't know where else to go, given the quailty of the community.

allquixotic

@Bob what exactly would the canonical Q&A look like? "if you have UEFI problems, do this"? no, I think UEFI is much too nuanced to be that; there's no singular fix to all problems

HackToHell

17:41

TIL this exists about:healthreport

allquixotic

@Varaquilex yeah, but the added information should hopefully help you lead yourself to an answer or solution -- especially consider the parts where you say "I'm not sure X" etc -- well, if you're not sure, what do you do? you attempt to devise some method to become sure

I can't see anything obvious to suggest after reading your question, and I'm experienced in UEFI and CSM issues

unfortunately you are the most knowledgable person about resolving this particular issue, because you are sitting in front of the machine

HackToHell

Bob

@allquixotic I actually think this might be enough - there's nothing necessarily wrong with a question on disabling CSM for a specific laptop model.

the problem is the intermediate troubleshooting steps - but a question, even if specific, and an answer can be helpful to future visitors

HackToHell

Why does the start up time vary so much o0

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