Root Access

9:00 PM

@allquixotic Didn't the disk image do that for me? Also: just tried mounting Macintosh HD on Ubuntu to see that I can open up files without getting corruption errors, so at least my Home folder isn't corrupt.

allquixotic

@Jeremy the disk image isn't a recovery of your files, because it contains the same (broken) filesystem as you had originally on your internal HDD

Jeremy

Okay, well ^

allquixotic

@Jeremy you were able to mount the Mac HD in Ubuntu?

Jeremy

At least my files aren't corrupt

allquixotic

wow....

Jeremy

9:00 PM

Yeah

allquixotic

so apparently Ubuntu is ignoring some kind of error in your filesystem that makes Mac OS X think that your filesystem is dangerous to use... this might be because Ubuntu is mounting it read-only, in which case, anything that would break if you need to write to it can be safely ignored

Jeremy

allquixotic

@Jeremy you may want to take the opportunity to copy any files you can't afford to lose ("irreplaceable" files, like pictures, documents you've written that aren't backed up in the cloud, programs, videos, sound, music, etc) to your external HDD

once you copy them, I'd manually open up a random, representative sample of them in one of Ubuntu's media players or file viewers (evince for PDFs, Rhythmbox for MP3s, VLC for video, etc.) and make sure they all have the correct data

Bob

O.O

store.steampowered.com/app/227320

I would feel so weird buying anything something like that from Steam...

Jeremy

@allquixotic Well, if I have the disk image, and since I know my files aren't corrupt enough for Ubuntu to not be able to read them, can't I just mount the disk image and read off of there if anything goes wrong? (Sorry for all these questions, I'm trying to learn =/)

allquixotic

9:03 PM

@Bob lol and its original price was $59.99, that's funny

@Jeremy yes, yes you can... so it's not completely necessary... but still, if the files are actually corrupted when you try to play/view/open them, this does not bode well for being able to recover your data

Michael Frank

@Bob It's a great app. I bought it last time.

allquixotic

keep in mind that some of Ubuntu's file format viewers might not have 100% fidelity. for instance, Word documents would render a bit oddly in LibreOffice

"corruption" would be like, totally garbled data

Jeremy

@allquixotic Should I try fsck_hfs from Ubuntu?

2

A: Repair disk from single user mode (fsck fails)

You can try to force fsck_hfs to rebuild the catalog by running fsck_hfs -Rc -d /dev/disk0s2 or (if you want to avoid having to answer the prompts) fsck_hfs -y -Rc -d /dev/disk0s2 Of course this will only fix logical damages and keep failing if the disk itself is damaged.

barlop

What are the alternatives to pskill?

allquixotic

@Jeremy yes, but run it with the --help option, and find its option that does a read only look at it.

it'll tell you whether it looks OK, it'll give it a sniff test, but it won't change it

Bob

9:08 PM

@Jeremy If you're trying to recover a FS (I haven't read the chat history), be warned that fsck can completely destroy a FS - make sure you have a backup.

In fact, if you're recovering make sure you have an image anyway.

Jeremy

@allquixotic Okay, it seems I haven't really determined what the issue is in order to begin attempting at fixing the issue

@Bob I've got an image

Bob

Oh good.

allquixotic

@Bob he already has a block-layer backup (a .dmg file, but it's basically a disk image a la dd)

@Jeremy unmount the mac HD in Ubuntu's file manager, and running fsck_hfs with the readonly option (whatever that may be) should spew some sort of error log at you telling you what it thinks is wrong

or, if it's really stupid, it'll just tell you that everything is OK, and then we can sit here hmming and hawing at why OS X thinks it's bad, but Ubuntu has no problem with it

Jeremy

alrighty

well we know what osx has an issue with

It says incorrect directory and thread count

Anonymous

never ever mount a corrupt disk ;_;

allquixotic

9:10 PM

yeah, well, let's see if Ubuntu thinks the same thing

Boris_yo

@Bob @allquixotic @PatoSáinz @Jeremy @MichaelFrank @JimmyHoffa @JourneymanGeek @tapped-out @TomWijsman Happy New Year!

allquixotic

@Boris_yo that was totally yesterday dude

2

(for bobby tables)

Bob

@Boris_yo Thanks. Happy new year.

brb going to work (2nd of Jan) :P

Boris_yo

Did I miss someone?

Jeremy

@allquixotic @Bob Quick question: should I use fsck or fsck_hfs? It seems I can download the hfs one here, but not sure if there's a differnece

allquixotic

9:14 PM

@Jeremy fsck is usually some kind of a wrapper that detects what filesystem you have and then calls the appropriate fsck_whatever utility to actually perform the filesystem check

but if you don't have fsck_hfs, then you need to install hfsutils package

Jeremy

I did install it

allquixotic

ok, then there's no reason at all to call regular old fsck, as the best it can do is just invoke fsck_hfs under the hood, and the worst it can do is get confused and say "I don't know what to do"

Jeremy

Still not found

allquixotic

what do you mean "not found"?

OH

sudo apt-get install hfsprogs

wrong package name :D

Jeremy

I was looking intensely through the hfsutils documentation before I responded just to make sure, haha

allquixotic

9:17 PM

hfsutils and hfsprogs are separate packages

you'll end up needing both, ultimately

packages.ubuntu.com/precise/hfsprogs

and you're in luck

the upstream package version of hfsprogs is identical between Ubuntu 12.04 and 13.10, the latest

so it hasn't changed significantly

Jeremy

Ah, great.

So to run the fsck do I just do a normal fsck?

allquixotic

ooh, even better: apparently hfsprogs was written by Apple and the code released to the public, then ported to run on GNU/Linux... so the actual nitty gritty filesystem checking code is going to be Apple's code, not some open source thing ;p

well you need to know which disk partition is your Mac HD

Jeremy

I do

allquixotic

which is it?

/dev/sdb2 or something?

Jeremy

it's /dev/sda2, I believe. At least according to gparted

allquixotic

9:22 PM

gparted is trustworthy :)

Jeremy

I would hope so! haha

allquixotic

make sure it's not mounted, then sudo fsck.hfs -l /dev/sda2

that's a lowercase L after the hyphen

Jeremy

I can't find a readonly flag

Michael Frank

looks like a 1 (one) to me!

allquixotic

1lIlllI11IIllll1

Jeremy

9:25 PM

Ah, is it -n?

@allquixotic sudo fsck.hfs -l -n /dev/sda2

allquixotic

fsck.hfs -- HFS file system consistency check

The fsck.hfs utility verifies and repairs standard HFS and HFS+ file systems. The first form of fsck.hfs quickly checks the specified file systems to determine whether they were cleanly unmounted. The second form of fsck.hfs preens the specified file systems. It is normally started by fsck(8) during systen boot, when a HFS file system is detected. When preening file systems, fsck.hfs will fix common inconsistencies for file systems that were not unmounted cleanly. If more serious problems are found, fsck.hfs does not try to fix them, indicates that it was not successful, and exits. The third form of fsck.hfs checks the specified file systems and tries to repair all detected inconsistencies. If no options are specified fsck.hfs will always check and attempt to fix the specified file systems. The options are as follows: -c size Specify the size of the cache used by fsck.hfs internally. …

yeah, -l -n seems to be a good combination of flags

ErraticFox

Hey guys, should the method I just added (method two) work for him?
http://superuser.com/questions/695717/windows-shortcut-icon-issue/695724

Jeremy

@allquixotic While that's going, what distro do you use?

allquixotic

if you get anything indicating that the filesystem is anything worse than clean, you will probably want to run sudo fsck.hfs -p /dev/sda2

@Jeremy ALL distros :D I'm an operating system connoisseur -- I use just about everything, in many different contexts -- but right now I have Debian Stable (wheezy) on my dedicated server, Windows 8.1 on my main desktop and my Surface Pro, and Fedora 20 on my NUC

Jeremy

Jeez

Live update -- Ubuntu agrees: incorrect number of thread records

jeremy@penguin:~$ sudo fsck.hfs -l -n /dev/sda2
[sudo] password for jeremy:
** /dev/sda2 (NO WRITE)
** Checking HFS Plus volume.
** Checking Extents Overflow file.
** Checking Catalog file.
   Incorrect number of thread records
(4, 24862)
** Checking multi-linked files.
** Checking Catalog hierarchy.
   Invalid volume directory count
   (It should be 281206 instead of 281203)
** Checking Extended Attributes file.
** Checking volume bitmap.
** Checking volume information.
** The volume Macintosh HD needs to be repaired.

-p?

allquixotic

9:30 PM

sometimes I install stuff in a VM or dual booting (or triple booting, or...) just for fun to learn and see what's up with it, but my go-to OSes when I really need shit to work are always (1) the latest version of Windows for gaming; (2) the latest release of Fedora for non-production (desktop, headless box for funzies, etc.); or (3) Debian stable for serious production servers

@Jeremy -p will attempt to "fix inconsistencies" -- read the manpage -- that operation will modify the filesystem, but you have your backup, so you shouldn't be worried :)

Jeremy

here goes

Is this essentially what "repair disk" does behind the mask?

ErraticFox

@allquixotic gaming? Nah...

allquixotic

@Jeremy perhaps ;p

Hennes

One for Journeyman:

Jeremy

@allquixotic I should have probably used the -d flag also =/

allquixotic

9:33 PM

@Jeremy if it doesn't repair successfully with -p, try it with -d next time

"debugging information" can be extremely revealing

@Hennes I wonder how much those actors get paid to dress up for Dog Wars... I bet JourneymanGeek recognizes the hot babe playing as Princess Leia

Hennes

Dog gets boob job... uhm...

Boris_yo

@Hennes Eh?

Hennes

Have I got news for you. Season 1, episode 7

Boris_yo

@Hennes Which one is @JourneymanGeek?

Hennes

Not sure. :)

allquixotic

9:36 PM

@Boris_yo he's Vader, of course, as you can see in the credits roll... he isn't a girl... his name is James Woofl Jones

Boris_yo

@allquixotic At job interview, how do you answer "What are your salary expectations?

ChatBot John Cavil

@Jeremy stackoverflow.com/users/10208

allquixotic

@Boris_yo "anything at all; I just want a job"... best to be honest

ChatBot John Cavil

@Jeremy Can't find user Journeyman in this chatroom.

Boris_yo

@allquixotic You serious?

allquixotic

9:37 PM

@Boris_yo absolutely

Boris_yo

@allquixotic Well you know by yourself about typical salary in area you are interested in?

allquixotic

Journeyman Geek, Singapore, Singapore

59.4k 14 88 178

barlop

they'll say "I know you're not working" which means not "I know your situation is bad and i'll help" it means "your bargaining position is LOW and we will take advantage of that"!

Jeremy

@allquixotic I wasn't the one asking :P

Not sure why chatbot messed up though

allquixotic

@Boris_yo it's highly variable

Jeremy

9:39 PM

@allquixotic Wait, how will fsck.hfs be able to modify the osx partition? I can't modify it when I've mounted the partition

Boris_yo

Because this takes away option for haggle and allows employer to
decide your salary for his convenience.

allquixotic

@barlop if their goal is to take advantage of you, they will soon learn how much of a fool they were to offer you a low salary, when you go looking for a job and find that you can get employed elsewhere for so much more $$$

barlop

well when that happens then they can worry about upping it

allquixotic

@Jeremy just because you can't modify it when you mount it doesn't mean that the fsck tool can't modify it. it's mounted read-only because the filesystem driver doesn't know about general-purpose writing to the hfsplus journal, but the fsck.hfs tool is from Apple, and they know their own filesystem pretty well

Jeremy

@allquixotic Hmm, okay.

Boris_yo

9:41 PM

@barlop The question is when that happens...

barlop

but perhaps they are not fools for offering low if they got it accepted. and can always up it if the staff says he's thinking of leaving or is leaving.

Boris_yo

The best is to have mind reading ability that would let you know the budget of employer.

barlop

well, a few months at a lower salary is still perhaps a nice saving for them

allquixotic

@barlop and a very nice value for an employee who would otherwise be unemployed

when you have no job currently, you don't be picky, you take whoever will accept you

barlop

an employee who is too lazy to look properly in the first place!

Boris_yo

9:43 PM

@allquixotic And opportunity to gain experience to offer more value for more salary on next job

allquixotic

when you have a job, and you go looking for a new job while still employed, then you can be picky

it's funny but true: companies will pay a lot more for people who are already employed

they perceive a lot of value in the fact that you have already been working for an employer for some time and presumably they are satisfied with you because you haven't been fired

and longer term of employment means more to them

also, if you have been unemployed for some time, they perceive your skills as weaker, or rusty, or outdated, because you aren't constantly practicing your skills and learning new stuff

so what they're willing to offer an unemployed person is less, than what they offer someone who is already employed and looking to upgrade

which is why there is so much turnover in the job market

barlop

so a prospective employee shouldn't hop about too much in too short a period I suppose

allquixotic

people always looking to leapfrog and climb the corporate ladder

well if you do not have a very prestigious resume with good experience and degrees and accolades already, you should stay put for a long time in the first job you get, to show that you can be dedicated a long time to one job

at least 3-4 years

that will get you started towards more impressive opportunities later

then, ideally, you can look for your next job "upgrade" while still employed at a place that is happy with you

that way you have lots of time to look for the new job, and you will have the leverage of saying "I have worked at XYZ place for 3 - 4 years and am already making XYZ salary, I want more"

"if you want to employ me you will need to exceed that salary significantly for it to be worth my effort to move job"

and many times they will actually take that bait and offer you more

Boris_yo

High education, what it offers?

1. To add value to your CV
2. To show that you are goal oriented
3. To show that you are serious and intelligent

allquixotic

higher education is a bunch of bullshit imho, but HR departments filter out resumes that don't have the right qualifications, so you pretty much have to do it

a computer science education prepares you for being a programmer about as effectively as you would be prepared to be a modern infantry soldier by getting training in the year 1400 to become a Knight wearing steel plate armor and carrying a sword and riding a horse

a knight in a modern military: can't fucking aim, can't fucking shoot, carrying around unnecessary armor that doesn't even stop bullets, can't fucking drive, doesn't know what a radio is, and runs away screaming when they see that the enemy can cause enormous explosions seemingly at will with remotely detonated bombs

Jeremy

9:51 PM

@allquixotic Well -p didn't work, it just kept telling me that there were incorrect directory and thread counts. Now, -p -d returned:

jeremy@penguin:~$ sudo fsck.hfs -p -d /dev/sda2
/dev/sda2: starting
	Using cacheBlockSize=32K cacheTotalBlock=1024 cacheSize=32768K.

And I'm running just -d now

allquixotic

@Jeremy huh. that's it?

Jeremy

Guess so

barlop

@allquixotic that's a big reason why programming doesn't interest me that much

Boris_yo

@allquixotic Lots of time to look for new job? No, because you will have to agree to come to interview at your working hours. You will have to ask for day off from your current employer.

Jeremy

@allquixotic I'm getting a lot more info without -p

barlop

9:52 PM

@allquixotic it's not so much about mastery.. but googling a lot, i guess that's ok though

with stackoverflow!

allquixotic

@barlop mastery has a lot to do with it

barlop

well, there was your point about the modern knight

allquixotic

to use the computer model of resources as a comparison, if you have to google everything, that's like having your operating system and all your programs running off the network, and using your HDD as RAM

Boris_yo

@allquixotic Meaning computer science education is outdated?

allquixotic

if you have actual knowledge, that's like having your knowledge in RAM, with the thing you're working on currently in L3 cache, etc

@Boris_yo incredibly, breathtakingly so

barlop

9:54 PM

you said the modern knight can't aim, can't shoot.. i figured by that you meant they don't have mastery

ErraticFox

So has Adobe went only subscriptions?

allquixotic

@barlop problem is, the things you learn to master in a CS education are almost completely disjoint from the things you need to master to be an effective programmer

you can still learn mastery without going to school

you have to master the right things

you can't just be born, learn English and how to google, and jump into being a Windows Kernel developer by googling everything you need to know

you will be about 1% as effective in terms of work output than someone who knows what they're doing

but mastery in something different won't help you: if you are a sailor, your knowledge of how to sail ships won't help you be a better programmer

barlop

@allquixotic well, a design patterns can be part of CS

isn't programming about A)learn the language b)learn algorithms c)learn design patterns.

ErraticFox

@allquixotic So basically, what you said to me earlier, meant nothing and I'll have to go to school no matter how much I Google?

allquixotic

@barlop sure, and training to be a knight makes you physically strong and adept at hand to hand combat, too, which occasionally matter in the modern military, although I'd argue that being able to shoot a gun, know when to run, and how to keep your head down are more important than having big muscles

there's a non-trivial amount of overlap, but 80% of what you need isn't going to be taught to you by books or a professor

barlop

9:57 PM

well, what'd you call that latter, in practice?

if old fashioned is the a,b,c I mentioned.

no analogies

what's the factors that the modern one learns?

allquixotic

@barlop yes, but a CS education isn't about "learn the language, learn algorithms, learn design patterns"; it's about things like discrete logic, mathematics, number theory, that kind of thing... also, there's so much more than you mentioned there that you need to know that they don't even touch

you might incidentally learn a little bit of Java or C or Lisp during a CS education, but that's not what the classes focus on... they focus on theory almost exclusively, and never test your ability to think abstractly to design large programs or anything like that

and they teach you nothing about how current operating systems work, or version control, or build systems, or continuous integration, or where to go to find tools and libraries you need, or how to even know that you need a tool or library

they teach you nothing about existing data exchange standards like the RFCs... ECMAScript, XML, HTML, HTTP, SOAP, REST, WSDL, TCP, and on and on

barlop

@allquixotic they can have a group project or a big project at the end that is quite big. You learn more thna a bit of a language. When that language is done throughout the course for 3 years. You learn the language for sure. And having to learn some discrete math and number theoery doesn't stop you learning the language and knowing it well.

Boris_yo

@allquixotic So education is 20% of what you will actually need in real life? 100% of a very comprehensive and redundant stuff where you only need 20% at most to be "effective" today?

allquixotic

@barlop I've been through it; I know. and yet, despite what they teach, 90% of people who graduate through the CS program are completely useless programmers

barlop

I learnt a bit of XML when I did CS, and a project they gave us required saving data. I did it using XML. I learnt a bit of it to do it. Used a DOM Parser.

indeed 90% are useless programmers

but that is not because they aren't taught

it is because most people can't program full stop

they couldn't program a for loop

allquixotic

10:03 PM

yes it is -- the classes don't teach those things; you are allowed to incidentally learn those things while you are doing your assignments, but you can submit them with a good grade without learning hardly anything

Tom Wijsman

Oh, new hat. \o/

allquixotic

and then there are the TAs to help push you along so you don't even have to think to complete your assignments

barlop

well, you can still get help from a TA and think and understand

it's the student's fault if he doesn't understand things much.

allquixotic

can -- but it isn't a criteria of succeeding as far as the program is concerned

barlop

and he's getting help

Boris_yo

10:04 PM

@allquixotic Either because education books cannot keep up with constantly technological world. Or because it is corporate conspiracy since education is a big business even if material does not bring anything new to the table. Removing high education filter when sorting resumes would bring down education business.

barlop

@allquixotic well, the problem is coursework, so people can cheat

allquixotic

getting your degree -- that little piece of paper -- is completely meaningless as a means of determining whether someone will be at all useful as an employee, or will just sit there completely clueless all day

barlop

I agree

it's an IQ test

from the employers perspective

allquixotic

there's nothing preventing a motivated student from getting a lot more out of the coursework than, frankly, the coursework deserves to let them get out of it, because it's so poorly designed and doesn't enforce the proper skills or thinking techniques

barlop

and staying power test.

allquixotic

10:05 PM

you can, but almost no one does

which is why I say the whole system is bullshit

barlop

yeah but a lot of the people on the course that don't get much out of it when it's interesting, are hopeless anyway and have no business being on the course

allquixotic

you can sit at your computer for a few months or years and learn as much, or more, than you'd learn having a professor and TA cram mostly irrelevant stuff down your throat while you go off and learn what you really need in your own time

barlop

computer science is a funny subject really 'cos many people aren't built for it

allquixotic

there's nothing stopping someone from learning to be a better programmer than John Carmack without even going to elementary school

let alone college

which is why the degree is completely meaningless

barlop

well.. it does put you in an environment where you might try things out that you wouldn't try out if you were on your own

allquixotic

10:07 PM

if you have a 2D plot where the X axis is a binary "has degree or no" (1 or 0) and the Y axis is competency as an employee whose primary job is to write code that works and can be used in products, you will see an effectively random distribution of dots if you take a large sample

or at best, an extremely weak correlation favoring competency by the people with degrees

barlop

to not have a degree nowadays means you fucked up bad

which is either seriously bad luck, or incompetence

allquixotic

@barlop or that you can't afford it; or that you think and operate differently than the status quo and had a hard time getting through the courses due to scheduling or family problems or any number of things; or that you had an unexpected pregnancy and had to withdraw; or that you just don't care for it because you already know everything you need to know; or....

it doesn't mean anything necessarily. and when people ass - u - me things about people just because they don't have a degree, they make an ass out of themselves

(cc @JimmyHoffa)

Jeremy

@allquixotic pastebin.ubuntu.com/6675336

barlop

well, not being able to afford it, is bad planning. or they could have gotten a loan

Boris_yo

@allquixotic So if you are not like the rest of sheeple then you are being looked at as ass?

allquixotic

10:11 PM

@barlop when hiring programmers, a 2-3 hour interview with several members of the existing development team, who are known to be generally competent programmers, will be much more revealing of a candidate's knowledge/competency than any amount of "Curriculum Vitae" of any sort (degrees, experience, etc)

barlop

I agree.. If you can give a good interview.. you can see.

Boris_yo

@allquixotic Or there are people who are not able to catch up with material because they need slower approach?

barlop

degree doesn't count for much. i've been there too and have seen the people on CS degrees

Often people that do CS do it 'cos they couldn't do physics

Boris_yo

CS1.6 source degree... ahem

barlop

some people on CS degrees are very good of course....

and not being able to do physics, no shame in that!!

allquixotic

10:13 PM

@barlop the thing of it is, if there is a company where, per their corporate culture and hiring practices, someone without a degree is basically on an equal footing as someone with a degree when they walk through the door for the interview, then that company will tend to sometimes hire excellent programmers without a degree, who get ignored by other companies

Jeremy

@allquixotic Should I try -r?

Boris_yo

!!define cs

?

barlop

oh boris. comp sci

allquixotic

you can, of course, refuse to hire someone who comes in without a degree and doesn't know wtf they're doing.

Boris_yo

@barlop You mean Bsc?

allquixotic

10:15 PM

but you also end up finding "diamonds in the rough" who can't get hired by most companies following the status quo, but you can hire them anyway, because it's just a piece of paper they don't have, but all the knowledge is there

barlop

not exactly

allquixotic

and your interview can pretty easily find out whether the knowledge is in their head or not

Boris_yo

@barlop What is the difference?

barlop

CS=Computer Science. You can do a Computer Science BSc

CS is like IT but meant to be more technical

allquixotic

it wouldn't even take 2-3 hours in my opinion; you would probably know for sure within 1 hour

but 3 hours to be absolutely certain because it's a high risk for the company if you hire someone who isn't quite competent

and to get multiple opinions from different team members

then after they leave have a meeting and discuss the results

barlop

10:16 PM

heh

Jeremy

@allquixotic ?? :|

allquixotic

you can of course end the interview early if they have no clue when you start on easy things

barlop

i've had interviews they just say You got the job!

no discussion

allquixotic

@Jeremy you can try it of course, but I'm not optimistic it's going to help :/

barlop

though I haven't applied in a while.. and i'm eloquent..

before i walk out the door even.

Boris_yo

10:17 PM

@allquixotic This is more serious in information security company interview.

ErraticFox

You guys are still talking about the same thing... ಠ_ಠ

allquixotic

@barlop that happens sometimes ;p

@ErraticFox so we have to change subjects every 5 seconds like we have ADHD to participate in Root Access? :P

oh by the way did you guys hear about...

ErraticFox

YES

Michael Frank

SHAVING

ErraticFox

MATTER OF FACT

YOU DO

Michael Frank

10:18 PM

This website is teeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrible!

Boris_yo

What happened? I have ADD here for conspiracy matters.

allquixotic

I need new music... time to search amazon mp3 to see if any artists i know put out new album

Boris_yo

@allquixotic Use imesh

barlop

I wonder how somebody like linus torvalds views an average computer techie.. Whether the difference between linus and them, is like the difference between the computer techie and a grandmother.

allquixotic

@Boris_yo I use spotify :P

Boris_yo

10:21 PM

Kazaa still exists?

Michael Frank

I use albumreminder.com with last.fm to inform me of when new albums are released.

allquixotic

@barlop pretty much like that, except that Linus is amazingly narrow in his knowledge; when he complains about things like other userspace programs going awry on GNU/Linux desktops, he displays his ignorance about them

ErraticFox

What the heck is imesh

barlop

@Boris_yo huh, I thought you were like a little boy. and you remember kazaa. How old are you?

allquixotic

he knows the Linux kernel in and out, and is a very good programmer, but there are lots of things he doesn't know about, even within GNU/Linux operating systems

ErraticFox

10:22 PM

So now we talk about Linus...

barlop

@allquixotic I think what you said there just shows the level you are on to be able to poke holes in Torvalds!

allquixotic

!!no

Boris_yo

@barlop Kazaa? I heard about it being pioneer P2P software.

allquixotic

@barlop he knows much more about the Linux kernel than I do :P

Michael Frank

Yea, fastest place to get a virus back in the day.

allquixotic

10:22 PM

hmm, bot seems to have crashed

barlop

yeah but for him to say anything about computers that shows his ignorance, and to be caught on it, that's something. Even though it's not on the kernel

Boris_yo

@allquixotic Not really. He just left this chat room because he became aware.

barlop

somebody as bright as that would one would think, not talk on what one is ignorant of.

allquixotic

@Boris_yo aware of what? the terrible secret of space?

Michael Frank

being bright doesn't necessarily make you aware of the stupid things you say.

allquixotic

10:24 PM

newgrounds.com/portal/view/33440

Boris_yo

@allquixotic Hah. Cybernetically aware AI.

barlop

Linus is old enough though to have realized that with the millions he has, there is more to life than computers!

he doesn't have a hot wife/gf though

Boris_yo

@MichaelFrank Once can be bright in practical way but less bright in philosophical way.

barlop

but he has a nice car and no doubt much hobby time

allquixotic

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:D

ekaj

10:29 PM

heh looks like an interesting convo I missed

allquixotic

the robots remind me of

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Michael Frank

OMF?

Boris_yo

Kicthen Nightmare - Can such people exist?

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This one scares me:

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ekaj

@allquixotic I've been looking for an unpaid internship in my area because I am aware that a CS degree isn't worth that much... finding somewhere where I can learn around here without a government security clearance or with someone who knows what they are doing is proving to be difficult, however

barlop

@allquixotic what was that robot game called again? one must fall?

i think programming you learn on your own. Whether during the years of a degree (on the side) or in a job

can be outside of job hours.

programming is a good hobby during a CS degree

Jeremy

10:39 PM

@allquixotic Turns out I may need to disable journalling before repairing with Ubuntu, so i'm going to try that. I doubt it should work though

ekaj

He's getting pinged to death at the moment

allquixotic

@barlop it's in the video

@ekaj where's "around here"?

@Jeremy try -p -f to disable journaling, perhaps

Bob

I'm baaaack

allquixotic

so is cavil

!!no

ChatBot John Cavil

Bob

10:41 PM

@allquixotic ? o.O

ekaj

@allquixotic smaller college town in West Virginia (Buckhannon) - there are three bigger towns closer by, but there is an FBI center near by, a lot of the network admin/computer jobs I'm interested in require a secret clearance

allquixotic

he died for a sec

ErraticFox

@Bob o.O

Jeremy

@allquixotic On Ubuntu?

allquixotic

@Jeremy in fsck.hfs

ekaj

10:42 PM

I currently work at the local school system and my college helpdesk, but the main IT guy is really paranoid and I can't even have the passwords to program switches or anything, so I don't learn anything at all.

Jeremy

@allquixotic I don't think that will disable journaling. Look at abhinay.wordpress.com/2009/04/12/…

Michael Frank

@ekaj learn to hack then. :D

or more morally positive, learn to pentest his equipment >:D

And on that note, I'm off! Going away camping at the beach for a couple days.

Jeremy

/brb

barlop

@Boris_yo gordon ramsey teaches an important lesson. If you have no emotion at all, you can have no motivation.

Boris_yo

@barlop and customers...

ekaj

10:45 PM

@MichaelFrank I would like to go into pentesting, but if I did that at my college I'm gone.

barlop

@ekaj err, well doing pentesting at college usually means the college teaches pentesting. otherwise it's like doing pentesting at a bank or anywhere.

are you just trying to be funny?

ekaj

Yeah, I'm aware @barlop, that's just the impression I got from his statement

but I do have access to two labs all by my onsies I play with networking and stuff, at least that is valuable

barlop

that is great.. how do you have access to a lab on your own?

ekaj

Really small school with only one CS teacher, she doesn't have time to actually go to the lab out side of curriculum so I have ~10 PCs that can run several virtual machines each, and two old servers in the next room I can do whatever with, plus a completely separate network just for those rooms unless I connect the two :p it's great

barlop

@allquixotic one way a job is worse for a non-conformist than a degree, is in a job you are only allowed to do the job. You could finish the work but if you do your own thing they don't like it 'cos they're paying for that time. For a non-conformist this is a nuisance. You are very limited in what you can do when you do all the work you've been given

And if you want to do another personal project simultaneously to the work they've given, even if you can manage it, they don't like it. that's my experience anyway, my little experience.

ekaj

10:52 PM

I'm really wanting to get an internship at the next town over where I can do things besides normal helpdesk stuff.. after a while you're just repeating things over and over again

allquixotic

!!afk brb

ChatBot John Cavil

@allquixotic Just go already!

Jeremy

11:09 PM

@allquixotic Back yet? I want to know what your general sense is: do I keep trying different repair options, or recover options?

ChatBot John Cavil

@Jeremy allquixotic is afk: brb

allquixotic

11:25 PM

@Jeremy did you ever try opening one of your media files on ubuntu ?

ChatBot John Cavil

@allquixotic Oh, it's you again...

Jeremy

@allquixotic What type of media file

allquixotic

@Jeremy any -- anything from your mac -- until you've looked at a few documents or pictures to verify the data's there, it could just be a bunch of corrupted data that it's looking at.

Jeremy

@allquixotic I've looked at a picture, pdf, and doc, and all appear fine

allquixotic

ok.

not sure then -- results on those specific error messages you get online are very inconclusive, and the trend tends to be "I wiped my system clean, reinstalled Mac OS X, and everything works now! yaaaay!"

you may end up having to just recover all your data using Ubuntu since it seems uniquely able to mount it

then reinstall OS X

that's sort of the nuclear option, though I'm kind of out of ideas in terms of the repair potential to get the existing system bootable

it seems that whatever is wrong with your FS, it isn't able to repair

Jeremy

11:28 PM

@allquixotic Well, what do you think the issue is? If OSX can't read it and Ubuntu can, it's OSX that has an issue, not the filesystem, right?

allquixotic

@Jeremy not necessarily. as I said previously, Ubuntu doesn't have to understand the filesystem as well as OS X does, because it's only mounting it for reading. it may not even care if some stuff looks broken or funky as long as it's able to read the core data structures.

@Jeremy actually, it looks like this tool would be eminently able to repair it: alsoft.com/DiskWarrior

Jeremy

I found that also, but I wouldn't be able to get it to run

Oh, I guess I'd boot into the rpgoram

But I wouldn't waste that much money for something I can just do by reinstalling. That option also seems nuclear

allquixotic

@Jeremy it pretty much automates the manual process that you're already capable of doing: reinstall the OS and recover as much as you can from the .dmg file

so you may as well just do that

Jeremy

@allquixotic If I just reinstall the OS without formatting, my files won't be erased, right?

allquixotic

@Jeremy I don't think you can "install the OS without formatting"

likely you won't be able to install OS X on a disk with a corrupted filesystem without erasing that filesystem anyway, even if it did have a way to try and install on top of an existing install

Jeremy

11:35 PM

Hm. I've reinstalled Vista before and it backed up my files automatically... not sure if its the same here

allquixotic

@Jeremy that's Vista, not OS X

and that's with a working filesystem

Jeremy

Yeah

allquixotic

how can OS X install itself onto a filesystem that it considers broken?

Hennes

^ That. WORKING fs

allquixotic

it's going to have to re-format the partition, plain and simple, and your only backup of your data is that .dmg on your external drive

I'm afraid the alternatives are very few indeed

Jeremy

11:36 PM

It seems that way.

@allquixotic Idea, but first: what is a volume directory count and thread count? Are you sure? Would it be possible to change this value, or have osx recount, or trick osx into thinking that it's correct?

Hennes

Flash to the past: a multicore supercomputer with more than 2 cores.

@Jeremy Would you ever trust the filesystem again if you succeeded in tricking it and it seemed stable ?

Jeremy

@Hennes Hm, I don't know... haha.

Well I'll wait for his response, then I'm probably going to back up files I need from Ubuntu, format, and reinstall :(

Anonymous

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A: SSH shell on a multicore supercomputer

You can ask a friend if he has got any spare computers with an Intel i5 or any other quad-core machine... Even you may even run those tests in most high-end phones.

Anonymous

i think this is a valid answer

Jeremy

@allquixotic Ubuntu isn't letting me write to the external HD we partitioned earlier

Ah, got it.

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