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Ariane

00:33

Question. There's this person not too familiar with Windows who's apparently with MDN and all that stuff at work, who's been told by Microsoft support that no ISO would exist for Windows 8.1 Could someone help him find his ISO?

Hennes

01:03

Like this?

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/subscriptions/downloads/#searchTerm=&ProductFamilyId=524&Languages=en&PageSiz‌e=10&PageIndex=0&FileId=0

Bob

01:33

@Ariane MSDN*

MSDN => Microsoft Developer Network

MDN => Mozilla Development Network

Ariane

@Bob Right.

Bob

anyway, image restore done

Ariane

I'll throw the links at him.

Bob

time to stick the HDD back in and pray it works

Ariane

Oh, it worked? Me I can't restore system imaged.

Bob

01:35

@Ariane MSDN most definitely has the ISO

Ariane

Images.

Bob

@Ariane What do you use to take the images?

Ariane

eeeehm

what was it.

some command prompt command.

Bob

dd?

You can just dd the image back on

or is it a Windows command? o.O

restore works! :D

Psycogeek

@Ariane in case it matters to you, i checked out the user thing, and found something you could glance at about the users stuff. Right click a Mydirectory like myvideos and see that a tab called location exists there. (as it doesn in win7 and XP.

Ariane

01:47

@Psycogeek Yeah, I know about it. Useless though.

Bob

uguguhguhughFUCK

2

A: Windows 8.1 RTM installation crashes

In 99% you have a device which driver causing this issue. Try to remove any external USB devices first. if the issue still occurs, than remove any additional cards you have in your PCI/PCIe slots. In most cases it is the device/driver issue. You can try to locate the device that creates the issu...

> If you have a WiFi adapter with the Ralink chip, than just remove it as these Ralink chips have a huge issues with 8.1. Stay away from Ralink if you want to use Windows 8.1

-_______________________-

what a waste of a day

Ariane

LOL.

Oh and @Bob. The command was recimg -CreateImage C:\RefreshImage.

Psycogeek

@Ariane It could be concidered the windows method for doing it. which may or may not have less problems.

Bob

@Ariane oh, that's for the refresh thing

I never trusted that

I just took a full disk image with Acronis

I don't think refresh images work across OS ugprades anyway

Ariane

@Psycogeek It does have less problems but it's useless when your main concern is moving the AppData folder.

@Bob Haha, but it was a 8.1 image for a 8.1 OS. :p

Bob

01:51

@Ariane oh, dunno then

wait, was it for when you tried to move the Users folder?

it only backs up "apps and programs"

not user data

Ariane

Hah?

jrg

so, i'm going to drop windows 8, it sure was fun, but the crashes that have come with 8.1 are just unbearable.

Bob

@jrg do you have a Ralink wifi card perchance? :P

Ariane

Whatever it backs up, the tool couldn't find any image anywhere

Bob

Win8 is far more stable than 8.1

I just restored my backup

jrg

01:53

@Bob Intel, but the nvidia card just vanished, and it does a BSOD every once in a while with the message of "critical structure corruption".

Bob

ah.

mine would BSOD if the wifi card was in

it also woldn't use the ATI GPU

and somehow dropped out of UEFI boot intol egacy mode

jrg

do you have a intel GPU as fallback?

Bob

what a clusterfuck of an upgrade

@jrg yep

jrg

because what you're describing is like 2/3rd of my problems.

Bob

it's normally switchable

jrg

01:54

yay! \o/

Bob

but I just gave up on it because of the wifi card before I even bothered trying to fix the GPU issues :\

Psycogeek

@Ariane right, and the appsdata thing is already a messy compatability redirection. something I would avoid adding another cross linking to. Then in resources monitor in the Disk tab, it would be interesting to see how the "responce time" changes as these added cross links are there.

jrg

i think i'm going back to ubuntu on the hardware, visual studio can live inside a VM.

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01:55

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Braiam

lol

Bob

@jrg eh, as I said I'm just dropping to 8.0, which works fine for me

Still not sure if I prefer the Ubuntu or Windows upgrade process

Windows at least does the automatic restores well, but it can be hard to find the cause of problems

Ubuntu... well, normally I can patch up a halfway failed upgrade, but things break

that time I tried to go 10.04 => 12.10 step by step on a VPS? good lord.

Braiam

LOL

jrg

darn... just realized that the only thing i'll actually miss will be Artemis. and we've got a Artemis tournament coming up in less than 2 weeks... dangit.

i guess i have to go to 8.0

Braiam

01:58

10.04 - 10.10 - etc?

Bob

@Braiam ya

that was bad

@jrg Artemis?

jrg

@Braiam oh dear me, @bob, you have my sympathies.

@Bob artemis.eochu.com

Braiam

holly molly, why not LTS?

Bob

@Braiam 10.04 was LTS

but I needed a new kernel

jrg

@Bob tl;dr: ~~Star Trek~~ Star Ship Bridge Simulator.

Bob

01:59

with IPv6 NAT support

@jrg ah, nice

Braiam

LTS to LTS, 10.04 to 12.04?

Bob

@Braiam I don't think that was an available upgrade path?

jrg

it's an available upgrade path

it's just even more hairy in some respects

Bob

ah. must've missed it.

still, I don't think that would've stopped the hundreds of "X configuration file has been changed. would you like to (A) keep the old one (B) use the new one (C) manually merge" (paraphrasing)

jrg

Yeah, those are annoying.

Braiam

02:01

meh, on those cases I just copy my /etc somewhere, uninstall every service, etc, then upgrade bare minimun

jrg

ew

Bob

urgh

I'd rather just backup, install fresh, and manual partial restore

Nathan Osman

Yeah, me too when possible.

Bob

which is what I ended up doing anyway

Nathan Osman

I don't always have the time for that though.

Braiam

02:02

@Bob I'm talking when you don't have phisical access to the server ;)

Bob

it's just a lot more work than a quick do-release-upgrade, but the latter breaks so often I don't know why I bother

Nathan Osman

This time around, all upgrades seem to have been a success (one Win8.1 upgrade and three Saucy upgrades).

Bob

@Braiam I don't!

tar czf /backup.tar.gz /

wait a bit, and there's the backup!

Braiam

oh well...

Bob

@NathanOsman Congrats :P

Braiam

02:04

@Bob tried koding yet?

Psycogeek

@Ariane an example of recursive windows psycosis of appdata is shown here superuser.com/questions/359254/… (and other places).

Bob

@Braiam nope

Ariane

@Psycogeek That's because people copied something without ignoring junctions, and problems like that happened.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek They just keep getting cheaper! lowendbox.com/blog/…

Psycogeek

@Ariane What else would be there, that would write like crasy? the temp net files, which are movable via internet options, and never has an issue when moved that way. then java and flash. The large flash moveis are stored in net temps right?

Ariane

02:11

It's when you copy a user folder, with say Robocopy. If you don't give the right instruction you get in an endless loop

Bob

@Psycogeek Right - to minimise symlink redirects, the best way is to do the registry move followed by a symlink for compatibility with the stupid programs that use hardcoded paths.

Psycogeek

@Bob Ok, on that i dont understand, because the hardcoded original applicationsdata folder doesnt exist in reality , or i thought it didnt, it is just inaccessable in the system. because another program shows that the folder does exist.

thats the part I wouldnt understand at all yet. that is the compatability, for the data in the original applications data to be forced to go to the new location.

I dont have the linkviewer program thing installed yet , some thing called hard links, so that ends my ability to tell anything for now.

hurts my brain, but if its a hard link, then that wouldnt work outside of the partition (because it is hard) So when they move it to a different partition or disk, they out in a soft link (one that would re-aim to anywhere).

Bob

02:29

hard links are strictly for files only

directories cannot be hard linked

Psycogeek

@Bob crap thats right. so the redirection method that does not get translated well when usingthe wrong copying method is _____?

directory junction "The Application Data folder in that location is not a normal folder. It is a folder Junction and is normally hidden, by default. The only reason that the junction exists is to redirect legacy applications, that are hard coded to look for that folder, to the new location"

And its when they screw up the permissions/protection that they end up with the recursive. Oh i remember that :-) when i did permissions on the other stuff , that wasnt fun.

A junction is a hard link for directories but unlike file hard links you can create junctions that span multiple partitions

Psycogeek

02:55

---"if you don’t “get” junctions and file-system-level redirecting, if you don’t understand why you might need to reset permissions on your user profile folder after you move it (or how to do that), or if you don’t understand how to copy your user profile in its entirety (hidden and system files included), then perhaps you shouldn’t try to use this method. "" no shit :-)

---•If you are using Windows XP, you will run into a bug with NTFS mount points.
•If you ever try to upgrade Windows, you may run into problems because of the redirection.
•If your destination folder is on a different volume then permissions will not be inherited and you will have to set the permissions on the destination folder manually (just copy them from your existing user profile folder).
•If your profile grows to be larger than the free space on your primary OS drive (usually C:), then you may have problems if you ever delete your user account and choose to “save the files” rather tha…

Ok dudes that can write 20 pages about this crap, and still bugger the whole thing up, and i would want to use these redirect a redirection methods for what reason :-)

Psycogeek

03:17

My setup has to include being able to drop out the drive that the stuff was moved to, because stuff happens. what provision has been made in any of this for the moved users profile to not exist temporarily? none. so they are missing a whole lot of other caveats like "windows has helpfully made a temp profile"

With these methods i end up with 2 drives that require a backup for the "system" disk, which might completly defeat my reasoning behind haveing a seperated system and data disk. System recovery being dependant on things dangling off of other drives, that the system will freak out about, would ruin the whole idea of and impervious system.

Journeyman Geek

03:55

tech.slashdot.org/story/13/10/19/2048229/…

oops

Psycogeek

boot configuration data file missing? = bricked? Flash screwed up need socketed bios thats bricked :-)

BSOD on Surface RT after installed Win 8.1 youtube.com/watch?v=AHrht3FFPOo ""But I could fix by "bootrec /rebuildbcd". ""

jokerdino

05:37

complete transaction

Bob

06:27

@JourneymanGeek ehhh

I'm not trying that shit again

Journeyman Geek

you have REALLY bad luck ;p

Bob

tell me about it -_-

when I was changing the wifi adapter, I was looking for an Intel one too

but no, just had to go with Ralink

h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Wireless-Internet-Home-Networking/… <= exact same card I got

the one that came with the laptop was a RT3290... I wonder if that would've worked?

but no 5GHz suport, so bleh

Journeyman Geek

heh

thats annoying me

nearly nothing has 5ghz support

Bob

most mid-high new phones do now, and have for a while

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: my tablet might my laptop dosen't nor my desktop.

Bob

06:35

desktop, I'd say is your own fault considering you chose the card :P

Journeyman Geek

nope

built in into the motherboard

Bob

laptops, yea, they often don't come with it

@JourneymanGeek waitwhat

never seen that o.O

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: its super common

Bob

Dell laptops tend to use Intel chips, which are dual band AFAIK

Journeyman Geek

well, its a non-standard add-on card

@Bob: mine is a corp model laptop, so... 2.4ghz only intel

►

mine's an older model I guess

Bob

06:38

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UHM

Journeyman Geek

or a lower end one, single wifi antenna, not dui

@Bob: only until vista man. Cause vista is where its at!

Bob

I think imma go update them on the year

Journeyman Geek

07:56

Thanks @Journeyman Geek. Downloaded and installed syberduck, but have some problem with connection - my real machine have this ip 192.168.1.2, virtual this one 192.168.1.4 what should I enter in Username(admin name of my real machine?) and password( to my linux VM or password to my wirless connection?). Sorry for stupid question. I appreciate your help — kuzyo 10 mins ago

facedesk

Bob

@jou wat

Journeyman Geek

lol

yeah

Boris_yo

08:54

@Bob Couldn't you get another USB wireless adapter for Windows 8.1?

Boris_yo

09:15

Private label

Private label products or services are typically those manufactured or provided by one company for offer under another company's brand. Private label goods and services are available in a wide range of industries from food to cosmetics to web hosting etc. They are often positioned as lower cost alternatives to regional, national or international brands, although recently some private label brands have been positioned as "premium" brands to compete with existing "name" brands. Richelieu Foods, for example, is a private label company producing frozen pizza, salad dressing, sauces, marinad...

Colorful and Supx are examples of private labeling?

Journeyman Geek

unlikely

I doubt DX would bother ;p

Bob

@Boris_yo difficult

I need 5GHz

I do have a USB one, but it's very inconvenient on a laptop

I also can't just grab any random half-mini-pcie card - HP whitelists only a few specific models with their own BIOSes

Boris_yo

09:32

There are miniature USB wireless adapters but I did not see them in 5GHz frequency.

You are using HP laptop? You cannot use random PCIe cards if they are not included in whitelist? If so, is it troubleshome to find one that is approved by HP?

Bob

@Boris_yo The mini ones tend to have absolutely crap performance.

Not much of an antenna in one.

Boris_yo

@Bob Due to limited power supply and form-factor?

My old HP had Intel PRO Wireless 3945BG adapter.

Journeyman Geek

and a non existant antenna

Bob

09:49

@JourneymanGeek Pretty much.

Even the larger USB adapters only tend to have a small internal antenna.

The internal PCIe one has a large antenna that loops around the screen.

Journeyman Geek

or a pair of patch angennas

Bob

@JourneymanGeek ?

Journeyman Geek

@Bob:my old laptop had two flat flex-pcb atennas

*antennas

Bob

ah

again, anything that sticks out is bad

Journeyman Geek

ya

Boris_yo

09:59

@Bob Sticks out from laptop?

@JourneymanGeek No, not DX. Colorful and Supx are the ones involved in private labeling. DX just takes those brand's products and sells them.

However I saw some DX minor products with DX name on them so who knows...

Private labeling is big on Amazon Marketplace though. You can have several shops selling similar product but branded under different names which only adds to confusion. Since almost everyone can open there store, no wonder I see so many chinese sellers there. Amazon Marketplace turned into another online ecommerce chinese gadgets store.

Psycogeek

10:35

@Boris_yo when ebay/paypal raised thier take (fees and percentage) to such a large percentage of the sales, lots of people moved or Also solde on amazon. each with thier own advantage disadvantage.

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek I heard several times that eBay is a ~~bish~~ scumbag to small businesses.

Psycogeek

wonder how much it has to do with . .Everytime anyone sets something up with a corporation with invester people, the investors expect the ceo and all to continue to increase profits. General practices are to get a whole lot of people into something, then rape thier pocketbooks till you have leeched it all dry. I dont think there is anything in the corporation hadnbook about Killing golden gooses. Seems that the investors will gladly take everything they can.

Even if that means the company has no future. The investors (who have the power of the corporation) dont rightly care, they just move the investment money to a different location.

The "people" who socked thier lives and businesses into these huge corporations, spend many many hours even years getting a handle on working that way. When the corporation comes along to rape them, they can either bend over, or lose everything they worked for.

So regular people who get involved deeply into such adventures with places like e-bay or mabey facebook ? or any of these thing, should realise they may have to walk away at any time. Then Dont Keep all your eggs in one basket.

Boris_yo

10:57

@Psycogeek Are you telling me that eBay's aim was to suck investor's pockets or people using eBay?

@Psycogeek If investors invested money into corporation that did not bring any returns, can't investers do something about this legally to not come out with losses? Or company can hide behind "Bankruptcy" excuse?

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo I am saying it was "required" to take everything , and in ebays case that really screwed a lot of the normal sellers. And of course people buying.

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek With eBay and Facebook it is small businesses and small and big advertisers?

@Psycogeek Required? Why? By whom?

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo with e-bay it was thousands of small sellers, who got hurt the worst from excessive fees (aka high profits) Has facebook started raping all the millions of people who invested thier time on a facebook page yet?

@Boris_yo required because a corporation is set up to make profit for the people who invest thier money into it.

@Boris_yo they cant legally do (much of) anything, investments are known to have risks, unless it was fraud or theft ? If they are getting a loss they can bail out. Most of the leeches know when to bail out. it is only foolish regular people who invest that do not know when the gillotine is about to come down :-)

The investors can vote to do things, like fire the boss, make less profit temporarily, potentially all the investors could vote to reduce the fees, but why would they do that? instead they can find another startup that will pull massive profits eventually.

The wrong thing for the US was when this activity of risk based or gambling on companies , was when massive investments were going to be lost , because the companies were greedy and huge and in to deep, the goverment comes along and "fixes it" for them. That would be like you betting on a 2-1 horse and loosing, and the government handing you back your money :-)

Because they needed the horse to run in the next race , so they can tax it to death.

Sammy

11:17

What is the fastest transfer speed you can get with a SATA II or SATA III hard drive and a SATA II controller?

Is it really no more than about 100 MB/s?

Psycogeek

@Sammy what is the platter speed RPM rotation?

Sammy

The most common, 7200 RPM, 32 MB cache.

Desktop size, 3.5 inch drive. WD Caviar Black.

Psycogeek

should be more like 150 MAX for sequential read ahead, defragged etc.

the density of the data on the drive is very important too

Sammy

OK, so number of platters counts?

More platters is better?

Psycogeek

@Sammy i dont know , seems like they would have multiple heads/platters working as a team, but i dont know if they do or not.

Journeyman Geek

11:23

@Sammy: fewer platters and the smaller the better

so the fastest you can get from a consomer drive is from a single platter, 2.5 inch effective 10K rpm velociraptor

Sammy

wdc.com/en/products/products.aspx?id=760

It's the 1 TB WD Caviar Black WD1002FAEX

64 MB cache, not 32.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek wait what

more platters => parallel?

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek They can fire boss? What if that boss is CEO of company? So their strategy is to "exploit & dump"?

Psycogeek

@Sammy nice warrenty

Sammy

I get 102 MB/s average in HD Tune. Is that bad?

Bob

11:25

@Sammy 3.0 Gbit/s not counting overhead

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo Yes , from what i understand a CEO is the boss and they can and do get retired , i mean fired :-)

khajvah

Do SSDs have more lifetime? It should because it has no rotating disk but I have read the opposite

Bob

With the 8b/10b encoding, you'll have a max of about 2.4Gbit/s (300 MB/s)

@khajvah the flash chips degrade with use

Psycogeek

@Sammy average sounds mostly ok. one part of the drive can be about or as much as 2X as fast as the other.

Bob

SSDs don't suffer the catastrophic crashes HDDs can with vibration, but a HDD in a stationary system currently can outlast SSDs - it's a bit of a crapshoot

Sammy

11:28

How do they come up with numbers like 1.5 Gbps, 3.0 Gbps, and 6.0 Gbps?
SATA 1 is 150 MB/s but 1.5 GBps?
SATA 2 is 300 MB/s but 3 Gbps?
SATA 3 is ? MB/s and 6 Gbps?

khajvah

I need to get a new hdd or ssd for my home directory

so, I should stick with HDD yet for more reliablitity?

Bob

@Sammy Gbit = Gigabit

8 bits per byte

MB = MegaByte

@khajvah hard to say

SSDs do tend to be more consistent with their lifetimes

some brands aren't as good, though, and the controller chip can die

SSDs have limited writes

effectively unlimited reads

Journeyman Geek

@khajvah: in most cases, the effective old age related lifespan of drives is quite long

Bob

they'll die faster if you write a lot

in all cases, always have backups

Sammy

@Bob Yeah, but Google says 150 MBps = 1.171875 Gbps

Bob

11:30

it's impossible to say a drive will definitely last some amount of time

Journeyman Geek

but things break. There's less things to break on a SSD, but they wear out predictably

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek So government chose to protect investors rather than companies in order to secure ROI for investors so companies can tax them?

Bob

@Sammy why not?

Sammy

@Bob not 1.5 Gbps

Bob

150 MB = 0.15 GB = 1.2 Gb

Journeyman Geek

11:30

@Sammy: close enough for government work ;p

Psycogeek

@khajvah If you have a laptop, the answer is much easier. even hard drives with really good safety dont like to be dropped

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: I'm pondering trying to rebuild a battery pack for a laptop.

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek Weird. A person who founded company can get fired. But his company is still in his possession?

Bob

@JourneymanGeek yea, flash chips wearing out are predictable. but the early controllers tended to die quite hottibly

Journeyman Geek

its going to be a bad Idea, I know ;p

khajvah

11:31

hm, I don't really read/write that much, I will code/compile so I guess it doesn't matter

Bob

@JourneymanGeek ...don't use the cheap cells

A laptop battery contains roughly the stored energy of a hand grenade, and if shorted it ... hey! You can't arrest me if I prove your rules inconsistent!

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: controller failures, by nature are unpredictable

Bob

@JourneymanGeek nope

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: but but....

where's the fun in that!

unpredictable

Bob

controller fries, you suddenly have a non-working SSD

no warning whatsoever in most cases

Journeyman Geek

11:32

@Bob: missed an unsomewhere

Psycogeek

@Bob lol

Journeyman Geek

and I've lost hard drives that way

Bob

yea, controllers can always die

SSD controllers just tend to die more often nowadays

it's newer tech, and has to cope with much higher throughput

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: I just assume everything will fail

and have multiple backups on seperate systems

Bob

lol

Sammy

11:34

150 MB/s is 150*8=1200 Mb/s
1200 Mb/s is 1200/1024=1.171875 Gb/s

So how the hell is this 1.5 Gb/s then?

Bob

yep, backups are the only predictable option

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek What do you mean about Facebook raping millions of people? By constantly changing interface and privacy rules?

Bob

@Sammy Didn't I say it earlier? You're not accounting for overhead.

Heck, Wikipedia even spells it out.

> Taking 8b/10b encoding overhead into account, they have an actual uncoded transfer rate of 1.2 Gbit/s (150 MB/s).

The raw data rate can never be reached. In this kind of situation, not having parity/error checking bits is stupid. That's why they're there.

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo I am not sure the goverment was going for bailing out gamblers :-) but they had to keep the company alive, that is thier golden goose. Plus the goverment has put peoples retirement money into some of these companies . and on and on with a vicious circle of hands in the pot, and butts on the line. . . over a risk ?

Bob

Sacrifice a little bandwidth for the security of knowing you're not getting garbage data.

Psycogeek

11:38

@Boris_yo Not sure about whos possesion. my simple knowlege is that a public company becomes Public. the ownership is the people holding the stock. so indeed the Former owner can be fired, unless he still holds the 51% of the stock thing? If they go public, everything changes, your not the "owner" anymore, your a stock holder and subject to the stockholders.

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek So government must find perfect balance between companies and investors so government can ensure longevity of company and investors?

@Psycogeek Investors are different from stockholders?

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo Get people into facebook enough, and then try to make more and more profit as required. So either you keep adding stuff, or you start charging the people who are on it. (that was already one of the plans) A good place to start would be to start charging businesses who have a facebook presence.

@Boris_yo Sure the government should have balance :-) ya right, and the goverment shouldnt be involved in risk based investements? Couldnt it be concidered one of those . . . getting involved , whats the word?

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek Or pay for featured user's post. Or pay for direct message to user so it does not end in folder "Mssages From Strangers".

@Psycogeek I don't know but they profit from one and another. They should do everything so one does not collide with another.

Investors is why good companies go bad after a while or feel as "not the same".

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo if the goverment gets all tied up into the businesses and corpoations, they will no longer be able to be unbiased in law creation, and enforcements.

Sammy

@Bob So 100 MB/s average for a WD Caviar Black on a SATA2 controller is OK?

Do they ever get faster? I mean the SATA2 or SATA3 WD Caviar Black hard drives?

Like, would I get above the 100 MB/s limit if I got a new SATA3 controller to match with the SATA3 hard drive?

Boris_yo

11:50

@Psycogeek ...and turn into another shadow government.

Sammy

Or is it only the SSD drives that can break through the SATA2 spec roof?

Bob

@Sammy sounds standard for a consumer HDD

@Sammy very few HDDs can exceed SATA1

the SATA3 would probably get you slightly better burst from the on-drive cache

but sustained throughput would not go any higher

Boris_yo

@Sammy I get almost full SATA3 potential with SSD.

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo oh right, done and done :-) why do i keep talking like it could happen some day . . . ok it could get even worse as time progresses.

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek We already have one shadow government (SG) and we don't need another.

@Psycogeek See?

Psycogeek

11:55

@Boris_yo dont confuse me, investors hold the stocks? dont they? at least on paper or in somones computer somewhere, if not physically .

Sammy

@Bob I see the "internal" transfer speed for the WD1002FAEX is specified to 126 MB/s. Is this speed achievable? If I get a PCI-Express SATA3 controller card and install it? The motherboard has an Intel P45 chipset.

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo lol, whhhattt?

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek They are with them too. It's all about occult symbols but this one is easy.

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo I dont see no SG on mine. is there a Youtube singapore or something?

Sammy

@Boris_yo What SSD do you have? And what speeds do you get?

Boris_yo

12:01

@Psycogeek I am not in Singapore. Otherwise @JourneymanGeek would see that too.

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo it means Subscription Geek , you get that designation when you subscribe more than 50 times :-)

Boris_yo

@Sammy Intel i330 120GB but this benchmark I did with 50MB is short and less accurate: i.imgur.com/DABEFOo.jpg

@Psycogeek Can't find anything related between YouTube and Subscription Geek...

Bob

@Sammy SATA2 is already far above that

SATA1 is above that

SATA3 would make no significant difference past burst rate (from cache)

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo there now i got it too, its breeding youtube.com/?hl=en-GB&gl=SG

Boris_yo

@Sammy Just benchmarked 1000MB for my SSD, here: i.imgur.com/9JMAAgn.jpg

@Psycogeek You got it or you caused it?

Psycogeek

12:14

@Boris_yo crap now its stuck on it

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek Try clearing cookies and cache. (About cookies now, try to sneak into the kitchen properly to clear them before grandma notices you and strikes your head with cooking utensil)

Psycogeek

Look at my history youtube.com/watch?v=pTUtETu09oQ Watch the fist 10 seconds of this , , , then the first 10 seconds of this youtube.com/watch?v=hIlWfdVM4-8

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek Sindrome of uncertainty?

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo I already got cookies, funeral cookies. gotta love leftovers

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek Funeral cookies are for undead

Psycogeek

12:28

and for help vampires

Anybody ever tried Cool Pics PDF reader? I was thinking about putting it on instead of FoxIt?

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek Googled for Cool Pics PDF reader and was shown nothing relevant.

Psycogeek

mabey take a space out coolpics

Boris_yo

12:43

@Psycogeek Nope, maybe this? pdf2exe.com/reader.html

Psycogeek

ah hell, i probably have the virus then :-)

it was supposed to be a really good PDF reader that can even make PDfs , on the rare occasion that i would ever do so.

it was compared with 4 other "free" pdf readers.

coolPicsPDFfree.exe 28MB . which sounded small .

I tracked down the company name in the exe freewordpdfsoftware.com

@Boris_yo I htink i would rather have the 1Mb one, mabey it would be harder to fill it with things like ASk toolbars, and Candy malware and other goodies?

Sammy

@Boris_yo That's really impressive. My Seagate system hard drive and WD hard drives fade in comparison, especially on the random read and write. But even on sequential, your SSD is about 2 times faster. It's up to 90 times faster on 4K and QD random.

@Boris_yo Is this on a desktop computer? What's your CPU and MB model?

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