Root Access

Boris_yo

13:00

@Psycogeek You weren't warned by your antivirus?

@Sammy DELL Latitude E6420

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo I scanned the 28mb file, says nothing bad, and has a legit looking file info in the file. its probably clean. but you know there is freeware out there that installs more benign crap that doesnt get seen by the malware program untill after the malware is installed. It comes down via one of them web install methods.

I installed this here tiny one, and it is certannly clean, didnt muck up the registry, now i shall see how it does with its first PDF.

Boris_yo

Question: Why SSD's random reads and writes are not on par with its sequential read and write? Isn't it supposed to take zero time on SSD for both? If there are no platters to seek then SSD should have same sequential and random speeds.

@Psycogeek You mean various crapware? Were you asked to checkmark these before installing Cool Pic PDF reader? And why not extract self-extracting exe installation file to scan with antivirus?

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo Hmm extract the extractors, never thought of that, i will have to try that sometime. depackage the re-packagers

The tiny 1meg PDF program has a staple problem.

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek I use WinRar for this through context menu after right-clicking.

Psycogeek

You know when you fold out the centerfold pics (not just in centerfold magazines) it is good to have 2 pages shown at a time, that little tiny pdf reader doesnt have the option to show the "facing pages"

But its so small and light and treated my computer well, I think i will keep it as the only reader. It should handle manuels and all

Braiam

13:23

@Psycogeek you haven't heard of SumatraPDF reader? is less than 1MB!

Sammy

@Boris_yo Thanks for sharing! I guess I'll have to upgrade to an SSD for system disk.

Psycogeek

@Braiam ebook mobi and chm too. should i try it?

Braiam

> Sumatra PDF is a free PDF, eBook (ePub, Mobi), XPS, DjVu, CHM, Comic Book (CBZ and CBR) reader for Windows.

it do that and more aparently

Boris_yo

@Sammy Are you aware of SSD risks of data loss with no recovery?

@Psycogeek You don't have mobile device capable of reading epub, mobi?

Braiam

@Boris_yo system disk = recoverable information with a new installation + mayor annoyance if lost because time lost rebuilding

Boris_yo

13:30

@Braiam I doubt size such matters these days.

Braiam

@Boris_yo it does if you can run it from a usb ;)

Bob

@Sammy An option I'm personally fond of is using a SSD as a cache for a HDD.

Boris_yo

@Braiam In what way? USBs are huge these days.

Bob

Basically, all data is stored on the HDD and the system will automatically cache the most frequently accessed blocks to the SSD. Completely tranparent.

Very effective with 32-64GB SSDs. And you get far more total storage space for much cheaper.

Boris_yo

@Bob So in worst case you lose OS and cache but retain data?

Bob

13:32

@Boris_yo No, if the SSD dies you jsut take it out and run with just the HDD.

If the HDD dies then you lose the data.

Boris_yo

@Bob You are speaking of hybrids or using separate SSD and HDD?

Bob

@Boris_yo Separate.

It's similar to a hybrid, I suppose, but cheaper overall and with discrete devices.

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo me read a book. sure like the microsoft referance manuel. I spend so much time reading stuff trying to figure out the computer, i would not touch a book. Movies :-)

Bob

Intel chipsets come with SSD caching functionality.

Boris_yo

@Bob Does it also cache paging file? Can you move paging file to it?

Bob

13:33

@Boris_yo You misunderstand.

You don't control what is cached.

The system will automatically choose whatever is accessed the most.

Boris_yo

@Bob OEM chipsets that are later used in motherboards of different brands?

Bob

SSD caching is often more effective than manually choosing. In fact, it's almost always more effective.

The system knows far better than you which blocks are accessed the most.

Boris_yo

@Bob Sounds good to me but requires to have supported MB or laptop wit such MB which has place for both SSD and HDD. Since I use laptop, it's a problem.

Bob

@Boris_yo Yea, works best when you actually have the space :P

Boris_yo

@Bob I rarely use CD drive but prefer not to mess with taking it out, sourcing good caddy that would fit drive bay and other tasks. I am sure this best works for desktop rigs.

@Bob How do I check for this on my laptop currently? What is this feature called? Intel Turbo Cache? I have AIDA Extreme hardware information and benchmarking utility.

Psycogeek

13:42

@Braiam its a 4meg installer now. Installed clean, and has just enough features, thisll work good.

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek Why not get Kindle with E-Ink for easier on the eyes reading?

Braiam

that was/is my favorite pdf reader for windows

@Boris_yo why waste bucks when he already have what he needs?

Bob

Smart Response Technology

In computing, Smart Response Technology (SRT) (pre-launch name SSD Caching) is a proprietary caching mechanism introduced in 2011 by Intel for their Z68 chipset (for the Sandy Bridge–series processors), which allows a SATA solid-state drive (SSD) to function as cache for a (conventional, magnetic) hard disk drive. SRT is managed by Intel Rapid Storage Technology software version 10.5 or later, and implemented in its device driver and the Z68 motherboard's firmware (option ROM). It is available only when the (integrated) disk controller is configured in RAID mode (but not AHCI or IDE ...

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo e-ink wont play movies :-) they had a version of it once that would, but refreshing the screen that often took its toll on the power again.

Boris_yo

@Braiam And what does he have? Library of books that you cannot take anywhere with you and which are heavy to hold?

Braiam

13:45

@Boris_yo nope, he has digital books that only need a laptop/desktop to be read

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek Where do you play movies? On computer?

@Braiam Because Kindle is black&white and bigger screen is required?

Braiam

@Boris_yo are you being paid by Amazon?

Boris_yo

@Braiam No, I am paying them.

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo everywhere. On the computer, on the tv using a mediaBox thing, and portable, even play a movie on a GPS device.

Boris_yo

@Hennes Hello. chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/11775139#11775139

Hennes

13:48

Lo all. Sups coffee

Boris_yo: way more logical overhead for one

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek For me it puts strain on my eyes and back to read books on digital screens. While I use Android tablet, my back feels relaxed but I still put eyes on strain.

Hennes

If you are on the same page of a book, and you do not have to turn. Then why do you take longer to read 20 words from all over the page then to read a single page ?

Also, NAND and chips do have a select time.

NO head movement, but there is a chip power uo-ish delay

Boris_yo

@Hennes More overhead for random reads and writes? Got it. Sure it needs time to locate fragments on NAND chips compared to sequential where it locates once and from then on, carries on.

Hennes

I am not sure if that is the whole story. But it is at least part of it.

Also, for random writes there is the extra overhead if there is no empty sector. So once a SSD has exhausted its spare supply of empty cells then random writes are going to crawl

Boris_yo

@Hennes If page has 300 words, it would take less time to read 20 words than whole page.

Hennes

13:51

True

Boris_yo

@Hennes I think you made mistake in this sentence:

3 mins ago, by Hennes

If you are on the same page of a book, and you do not have to turn. Then why do you take longer to read 20 words from all over the page then to read a single page ?

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo So your indicating that the e-ink has no such issue? it did look more like a normal way to read text, as oppsed to the glowing screen method. But dont forget i like the Black screen :-) with the glowing text instead.

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek Black screen with the glowing text? Okay. Not sure why to like black screen better than white screen if latter is easier on the eyes but if it is your personal preference for some reason then I guess that's your call.

Hennes

@sammy: Bits to bytes is not always a ration of 1:8

@sammy 8:1 just works for most RAM. (And was 10 bits per bytes on some mainframes and non-X86 computers, so the '8' might not be always correct either)

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo But you did not answer the question? back here you say strain on your eyes , and e-ink does not strain your eyes? I have shown other people how to have black screen with glowing text, and they not only prefer it , they wont stop using it.

Hennes

13:58

@sammy: In the case of SATA you have to account not just for the data which can flow over the SATA wire (which is limited by 1.5G changes of voltage per second), but also checksums, information about just where the data should be written on disk. Tag queueus, etc etc.

@sammy: the result is that a 1.5GBit/sec SATA link maxes out near 270MB/sec.

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek What I mean was digital screens (laptops, desktops, tablets, smartphones) strain my eyes while Kindle (which I don't have) is supposed not to. And yes, I tried black screen with white characters and it was better.

Braiam

@Psycogeek I prefer bright text over dark background while reading ;)

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo Reading in general can be somewhat of a strain, for like hours.

Hennes

@sammy and Even our fastest spinning drive (15K RPM 2.5 inch enterprise SAS) drives barely reach that speed when transfering data from/to the actual disk

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek Yes, but with digital screens I get blurred vision after 1 hour of reading.

Psycogeek

14:01

@Boris_yo Reading a book is claimed to use as much calories as a lite jog, exercizing them brain muscles i guess. although it does nothing for my ass :-)

Boris_yo

@Hennes 1.5Gbit/s equals to 192MB/s theoretical but here it exceeds it to 270MB/s?

Hennes

Sorry, should be SATA-II and that was on ICH9/ICH10 chipsets

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek In that case I should substitute my morning runs with morning reads.

Hennes

Which performed remarkably well if you used their right ports.

RIght port as in: 3 ports on the chip. 6 Connections.

1+1+(1+1+1+1 via a sort of internal hub)

So if you connect 3 SSD and test then the speed depended on which SATA ports you used.

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo if you have morning runs pepto bismal might help. (sorry couldnt pass that one up)

Boris_yo

14:06

@Psycogeek You make me Google now

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo then i would have to have it spelled correct first

Bob

@Hennes A 1.5Gbit/s link would go nowhere near 270MB/s.

Braiam

@Boris_yo wait, really you don't know?

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek Don't worry, Google does it for me.

@Braiam I don't have constipations so I don't need.

Psycogeek

And now a word from our sponcor :-)

Hennes

14:07

chealth.canoe.ca/drug_info_details.asp?brand_name_id=5166

Some sort of are unknown thingy

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek I don't know why you assumed if I do morning runs I have these symptoms.

Hennes

(Yes, I had to google what is was)

Braiam

@Boris_yo me neither, but that doesn't mean that I don't know what would be useful for others in some situations ;)

Psycogeek

urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=runs see #2 I should have known nobody from a different language set would get it.

If you people wouldn't speak English so perfectly , i wouldnt be using so many American slangs :-)

Braiam

lol, I'm not a native speaker and I know where it comes from

Hennes

14:13

I am just a runner (as in jogging, not the toilet kind)

Hmm, I should verify what #2 is before answering

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek Runs - to overrun your shit before it overruns you? Okay, will know thanks.

Hennes

My first thought where about running (jogging) and some kind of sugar tablets for energy. (Obviously not to loose weight but to increase your condition)

Boris_yo

"Sorry folks, gotta run!"
"Our conference is in 5 minutes and you decided to run?!"

Bob

so, uh

@JourneymanGeek How'd you like more FP converters than you'll ever need?

ebay.com.au/itm/…

Boris_yo

"Run Forrest Gump! Run!"
"I don't want to do it now! Okay?"

Bob

14:15

o.O

since when did eBay have a shopping cart?

Boris_yo

@Bob They had shopping cart and WishList for some time now.

Bob

might be new to the au site then

Journeyman Geek

lol

Hennes

Hmm, not sure whewre I remembered the 270MB/sec from.

I thought it was from articles like this:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/sata-6gbps-performance-sata-3gbps,3110-5.html

Bob

@JourneymanGeek turns out we have a cree led torch already

no idea which exact chip it is

takes two CR123A batteries, which are dead :P

Journeyman Geek

14:19

lol

Braiam

mm...

yay, new gravatar

Journeyman Geek

@Braiam: who has?

Braiam

@JourneymanGeek has what?

Journeyman Geek

a new gravatar?

Braiam

mm... me... perhaps?

Journeyman Geek

14:26

ahh

darned SE caching

Psycogeek

Hmm, now it just poped into my head that wasnt right? Our special Open Source program. Watch out for clones of our program ?? uhh yea open source, there would be other compliations i assume ?

Those bastards they recompiled my Open Source :-)

Hennes

Boris_yo

@Hennes So is SATA3 worth having over SATA2? I guess in terms of sequential read and write yes but even with SATA1 operating system and apps will work as good because random writes and reads will be on par.

Hennes

1) Nah
2) It depends

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek Can you sue tham due to rules infringement?

Hennes

14:35

The man speed gain is from random IO reads. And a SSD on SATA-II and on SATA-III will be a lot faster then any HDD

Psycogeek

the first 1/2 second of Pure cache in sata3 is usefull

Hennes

There is a deminshing return though

E.g. 100x as fast or 200x as fast does not matter too much

Boris_yo

@Hennes But still SSD on SATA3 will be faster than SATA2.

Hennes

E.g. a task takes a HDD 2 minutes. 100x as fast would be just over a minute. (1.2 seconds, or a 58.8 second gain). 200x times as fast would take 0.6 seconds (or a 59.4 second gain)

Boris_yo

@Hennes That means average user won't feel difference?

Hennes

14:37

The 58 second gain is much more notaciable than the extra 0.6 seconds

I suspect that that will not notice unless they do a lot of sequential reads/writes

e.g. copying movies etc

In which case they are rich

500GB SSD's are not cheap

Boris_yo

@Hennes Wait. We divide 120 seconds (2 minutes) by 100 (times) and get 1.2 seconds as completion time for that task.

Hennes

Yes, so 120 - 1.2 sec gain. (and whoops. I did a 60-1.2 calculation)

So I should have had 120-1.2 and 120-0.6 as gains

Psycogeek

Metric minutes

Hennes

I think the US uses metric minutes.

After all, they always use different measurements than the rest of the world. Inches, feet, pieces of eight, ...

Psycogeek

those are very handy. dont need no rule, when you can just step it out with your feet, and know how many feet it is

Hennes

14:43

Aye. Unless it rains. Do you need to use sea-feet or land-feet when it rains ?

Psycogeek

It like measuring a horse in "hands"

for an inch all you need is a simple Inch worm

Lets see them do that in mm

Hennes

To many decimals in the US measurement system.
e.g. 1 inch is 0.083 feet.

Bob

@Hennes No, it's 1/12th of a foot - they prefer fractions, not decimals :P

Then I see shit like 1/64" or 1/128" and get the urge to bash my head into the nearest wall.

Boris_yo

Why you take 1.2 and 0.6 as gain? The gain is 120 seconds - 1.2 seconds = 118.8 seconds

So task that takes 120 seconds to finish on HDD will take 1.2 seconds to finish on SSD.

Hennes

Arh. You are right and I will actually try to wake up now.

Psycogeek

14:52

when stuff is almost 100times faster , there really isnt a need for measuring it, you just say WOW and go on.

allquixotic

@Bob I am noticing much faster alt-tabbing between fullscreen games and Windows desktop now with Windows 8.1

Windows 8.1 will include WDDM1.3[31] and DXGI 1.3.[32] New additions according to preliminary documentation are trim DXGI adapter memory usage, multi-plane overlays, overlapping swap chains and swap chain scaling, select backbuffer subregion for swap chain and lower-latency swap chain presentation. Driver feature additions include wireless displays (Miracast), YUV format ranges, cross-adapter resources and GPU engine enumeration capabilities.

if you haven't upgraded now, and you play 3d games, this might be an incentive for you to upgrade

Bob

@allquixotic not gonna happen

allquixotic

it requires all new drivers from the vendors though so make sure you have a recent GPU

Bob

Ralink wifi adapter => bsod

allquixotic

@Bob on 8.1? rly? wow

Bob

14:54

upgrade => uefi boot breaks

allquixotic

Ralink is a POS company anyway

Bob

upgrade => switchable graphics/ATI GPU can't be used (a driver update might fix that)

Psycogeek

@allquixotic you mean they quit paging out minimised programs?

allquixotic

@Bob both ATI and Intel have put out brand spanking new drivers specifically to support WDDM 1.3 on Windows 8.1, so there's that. don't know if they'll fix switchable graphics too

Bob

@allquixotic eh, my options were a $10 Ralink card or $50 Intel card

Boris_yo

14:56

@Bob What is the model of that Intel card you wanted to get?

Bob

@Boris_yo can't remember now

my basic requirements are dual band wifi, and bluetooth

allquixotic

@Bob if it makes you feel any better, IE is still slow even on version 11 :P

Bob

@allquixotic that doesn't affect me at all! :P

knowing my luck, FF would probably break too

and just on my machine

allquixotic

FF 24 works fine here, I don't think anything broke outside of IE

Bob

@allquixotic yes, well, not much was working perfectly fine when I tried

I might try again next month

after getting an additional HDD to make another backup image

allquixotic

14:59

IE just froze on me trying to log in to Sony Creative Software's website >_>

not even any flash on the page

Bob

my main gaming machine is my desktop anyway (Win7)

and I usually use windowed mode too

there is no way I'm going to try to upgrade the desktop

there are so many little hacks that have gone into it over the years to keep the kernel happy

allquixotic

maybe it's just other unrelated improvements in the AMD graphics drivers that have absolutely nothing to do with Windows 8.1, but Planetside 2 is running a LOT better now for me, shrug

Bob

when the time comes for Win7 to be retired (end of support, probably), I'll either do a clean install or ditch the machine

the GPU fan is too loud anyway, and the MB doesn't support the on-die GPU

it was a horribly thought out configuration :P

allquixotic

lol

mine is working fine except for the brokenness of the LucidLogix chip

and their refusal to produce updates

if they were really able to do LucidLogix just right -- if they got the hardware/software to an ideal state -- it'd essentially be free SLI on any mainstream Intel CPU with a discrete GPU in the same system

Boris_yo

@Bob Only chipset Z68 implements Smart Response Cache. Do you know if Z68 chipset is used on laptop motherboards? Do you know of website which allows to find all motherboards that have certain chipset?

Psycogeek

15:02

!!urban Lucid

ChatBot John Cavil

@Psycogeek lucid To feel as thought you can express yourself with 100% clarity. Often felt by those who are under the influence of narcotics.

allquixotic

allowing you to buy a $300 graphics card and get the equivalent of $500 worth of GPU performance out of it

Bob

@allquixotic or crossfire in your case :P

allquixotic

yeah lol

Bob

though I'd expect Intel to play nicer with Nvidia than AMD

allquixotic

15:03

I'm actually trying to do a non LucidLogix use case of my Intel GPU right now

Bob

@Boris_yo eh, probably means Z68 and newer?

allquixotic

graphics output/display and 3d rendering are entirely handled by the AMD Radeon HD7970 with no interference from the Intel GPU

Bob

@allquixotic also, Haswell/Broadwell is probably a prerequisite

allquixotic

but the Intel GPU comes in to provide real time QuickSync Video encoding of video capture

@Bob I know they are iterating LucidLogix's hardware on the motherboards of new ASUS, etc. "8" series chipsets for Haswell. I bet the Broadwell motherboard + CPU/iGPU combo with the right LucidLogix chip and drivers will be the ideal

new Intel iGPU drivers (since about August) have been allowing you to perform GPU encoding using QSV or OpenCL even when the iGPU has no plugged in video card and isn't being used by LucidLogix

just install the driver and the API becomes available in programs that use it

Psycogeek

What would a intel 4600gpu on-die be able to render in a sli/crossfire type mode compared to a 7950 or 7970 ? 4 lines of the frame ?

allquixotic

15:06

@Psycogeek what do you mean? with LucidLogix?

well for starters the HD4600 isn't the most powerful Intel iGPU there is

Boris_yo

@Bob **SRT** **Requirements:** (Why I cannot bold this?)

Intel® Z87, Q87, H87, Z77, Q77, H77 Express Chipset-based desktop board

Mobile users can forget about SRT for now.

allquixotic

the Iris Pro 5200 is the most powerful Intel iGPU, and it's only available on their full-scale mobile platform (14" to 17" laptops)

Bob

@allquixotic what I'm afraid of is how much CPU power they'll sacrifice to improve the GPU

Psycogeek

@allquixotic if it could be used as a team with a card GPU. I think it would just make stuff more prone to fail and have minimal improvement for a normal desktop with a gaming GPU card.

Bob

@Boris_yo Ghetto Chat Markdown (TM @allquixotic) doesn't work when you have multiple lines.

allquixotic

15:08

@Bob they're already doing that, silly! :) TomsHardware did a comparison between the percentage of the CPU die (the whole package, not just the "CPU part") dedicated to graphics processing between Sandy and Ivy, and it went from like 25% to 55%

Bob

@allquixotic o.O

I guess that won't work if you don't have the supproting hardware, though?

My P67 chipset is lacking some stuff.

allquixotic

@Bob what won't?

Bob

@allquixotic QuickSync

allquixotic

QSV is completely orthogonal to the motherboard or anything on it

QSV is simply an iGPU function of most Sandy Bridge CPUs and all Ivy Bridge or later CPUs

Bob

@allquixotic Yes, but the main barrier to me using it (so far) has been the simple issue of getting the GPU to run.

allquixotic

15:10

except for enthusiast (-E, -EP, -EX) series

Psycogeek

@allquixotic And what about the way an on-die would use the memory, vrses the dedicated GPU with its seperated dedicated memory?

allquixotic

@Bob the latest Intel graphics drivers can initialize the Intel iGPU regardless of BIOS settings, motherboard, etc. for "headless" compute operations, meaning, DirectCompute, OpenCL and QSV, primarily.

Bob

o.O

I'm going to have to try that on my desktop.

allquixotic

it's similar to "DRM Render Nodes" (look it up on Phoronix) for Linux, but this is on Windows

Bob

One problem.

MediaEspresso can only do QuickSync encoding on old versions of the driver.

Like, very old.

In the sense of the one that came with my laptop is too new

In other words, I'm going to have to find an encoder that works with QS :\

allquixotic

15:12

@Psycogeek the on-die GPU of standard HD4000 series GPUs reserves a ~512 MB chunk of system memory (configurable on some systems), which is a lot slower than GDDR5

but Iris Pro 5200 on Haswell's mobile platform, as well as all upcoming Broadwell GPUs, have on-die GDDR (a small amount, but it's there) for the iGPU

Bob

@allquixotic which really doesn't matter if you have at least 8GB

allquixotic

@Bob Handbrake should work

Bob

if you're at all serious about using that computer, you should have at least 8GB

@allquixotic I'll have to try that tomorrow

> I read in PC Magazine and on the website 3D Guru that the 2600K (P67 chipset) DOES have Quick Sync capability as long as a discrete GPU is not plugged in.

wat

so... this guy is saying you can use QS as long as you have no video output at all??

Psycogeek

@allquixotic Ok, but whatever type it would use, in a mlutitasking game where the gpu and cpu are running, and memory is accessed in Both. I would wonder how the On-die GPU using the onboard memory, would clash with the programs own use of memory. Both of them using the same resource, instead of dedicated resources.

allquixotic

and that's after I told the BIOS LucidLogix Virtu MVP setting the following:

!!tell 11776137 no

ChatBot John Cavil

15:15

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek Tell me how laggy YouTube video becomes if you right-click on it and keep it shown.

allquixotic

@Bob that's how it used to be

the older Intel drivers (even from earlier in 2013) would refuse to provide any on-die iGPU functionality whatsoever unless you had a monitor (display head) plugged into the iGPU and it was actively rendering your desktop

Bob

@allquixotic No, that statement is completely wrong.

They're saying you have QS if discrete is not plugged in.

But on a P67, you don't have the integrated port (or supporting hardware)

allquixotic

@Psycogeek well, modern memory to CPU buses are point to point, meaning there shouldn't be any bottlenecks, and every component has a clear lane reserved just for it

Bob

@allquixotic Looks like it was in the March update

and the August update did something else

wait, fuck

there goes that idea

> Now, one can use both Intel Quick Sync Video and OpenCL even when Intel® HD Graphics is not the primary display adapter. This requires Intel Graphics driver to be installed and will work only on Windows 8 platforms.

allquixotic

15:19

lol

i thought your desktop had Windows 8.0?

no?

Bob

@allquixotic I said Win7 above :P

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo It balks the video only stops it for 1/2 a second, while audio continues. then it does seem that the frame rate drops some as long as the right click menu is up, hard to tell because some of the frame rates are already low.

allquixotic

oh

Bob

it's currently dual-boot with 8 Preview, which is expired

actually, I could probably stick 8.1 on as dual-boot

VHD boot most likely

how many times could the MSDN DreamSpark keys be installed again?

allquixotic

anyway I'm going to have a blast with this

Psycogeek

15:21

@allquixotic And 2 things accessing a really fast path at the same time, has always made the really fast path become a traffic jam too.

allquixotic

buying a $36 DXTory license (TotalBiscuit's preferred capture program, yay!) to provide a DirectShow video source for capturing the current running game

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek For me it's not framerates but lags.

allquixotic

then using Sony Vegas to capture the DirectShow input and use QSV to encode it live to a compressed format

HDD won't be banged on very hard, and Radeon will still be dedicated to rendering the game world

theoretically i could capture video for hours and only use a few gigabytes, then crop it later and upload to youtube

Boris_yo

@allquixotic There's Hypercam software for capturing too.

Bob

@allquixotic I'll probably capture with FRAPS and drop to the other OS to encode later :P

or just play on the other OS

allquixotic

15:23

i used to use FRAPS, but a half hour video would eat like 35 GB

Bob

but I'm the kind of guy that never reboots, so...

@allquixotic eh, I have like 400 GB to spare on three drives

allquixotic

even my 2 x 4TB 7200rpm disks on a hardware RAID controller struggles mightily under that I/O load

I have ~6 TB to spare, but I don't like writing at that intense rate for hours

Bob

hm?

those three are backup and/or scratch drives

I don't really care all that much about them :P

Psycogeek

@allquixotic But you said the on-die GPU will be using the same CPU controller memory. It is not like the GPU on the CPU would use a different path to that memory would it?

Bob

worst case, I lose a few backups

allquixotic

15:24

lossless or near-lossless capture to disk is pretty extreme I/O -_- and that'd be on my primary (only!) disk array.

Boris_yo

@allquixotic That's uncompressed video. I assume DXTory compresses as it captures?

Bob

@allquixotic ah. in my case, those drives are not part of the RAID array

allquixotic

@Boris_yo no, DXTory provides uncompressed video in either RGB or YUV formats, to Sony Vegas, which then does the encoding

DXTory can also capture and encode itself, but it only comes with one bad compression codec that doesn't support QSV (or any GPU encoding), and otherwise you need to use a third party VfW codec.

Boris_yo

Capturing and encoding in parallel would be possible with today's multi-core processors?

allquixotic

if i could find a free or very cheap VfW codec to encode to H.264 using QSV, I would buy that in a heartbeat

but I don't know where to find it... so, Sony Vegas it is :/

Braiam

15:26

god... I hate my the ISP provided and can't be changed router...

Bob

o.O

allquixotic

software-rec

Where can I find a VfW codec that uses QSV? don't even care about the media format at the moment

Boris_yo

@allquixotic Is this what you need? free-codecs.com/download/x264_VfW.htm

Bob

> Fixed minor artifacts seen in the following games and benchmarks:
Cut the Rope

wat

allquixotic

O_O

I wonder if (@slhck halp?!) I could use ffmpeg to capture from a dshow video source and do QSV or OpenCL encoding

I read recently that ffmpeg is starting to do GPU video encoding, but maybe it's still buggy/experimental

Bob

15:30

@allquixotic that edit cleared a lot up :P

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo define lag? i tested , because the video stops and audio keeps going, if the lip sync gets off, and here it does not seem to do that.

Boris_yo

@allquixotic Ever heard of Bandicam? bandicam.com/downloads

@Psycogeek Video and audio are in sync but it's video that performs like slideshow.

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo ok well i think i can see it does get a slower or skipped frame rate, when the right click menu is up.

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek You CPU and GPU are...?

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo 4700k and the 7950

on this computer, i can test on the other one .

Boris_yo

15:36

@Psycogeek And you experience what I do but in less degree?

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo correct

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek Probably thing of YouTube optimization and power of hardware.

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo just it fudging up when the right click goes off, is a reason somebody should have noticed it, or to ask them to kindly look into it. there is no reason it has to be that way?

Boris_yo

I read that h-262 codec is better than DivX in terms of filesize and video clarity but requires more powerful hardware.

@Psycogeek Common sense tells me not... Nothing is supposed to lag on powerful hardware, right?

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo common sence tells me they dont care :-) right click is for changing stuff, so they probably dont bother with that trivia.

Boris_yo

15:40

@Psycogeek 4700k does not appear on ARK Intel.

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo would you believe 4770 ? i donno its a freaking fast intel chip thing :-)

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek We haven't discussed adobe flash YouTube videos use. Maybe it poses problem?

Braiam

OMG, I reviewed 4 post in a row in SO :O

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo Mabey there is an alternative flash program out? Other than HTML5 ?

Braiam

@Psycogeek gnash?

Psycogeek

15:43

@Braiam i donno? do you use an alternative?

Braiam

only for really old flash animations

Psycogeek

Gnash "One problem for the project is the difficulty of finding developers. The current developers have never installed Adobe's Flash player, because they fear that anyone who has ever installed the Adobe Flash Player has at the same time accepted an agreement not to modify or reverse engineer Flash player. Therefore, the Gnash project has only about 6 active developers." Thats funny, they could always use the presidends excuse "I forgot"

Boris_yo

What I do to save money on new video game and hardware upgrade:

1. Fire up YouTube and search for Let's Play [video game name] in highest definition
2. Grab gamepad
3. Enjoy as if it would I play that game

Braiam

o----key....

Bob

@Psycogeek Shumway?

github.com/mozilla/shumway

Psycogeek

15:49

@Bob akk link thanks. That one is a Html5 ? I need one for my older browser thing , because IE10 seems to be working "ok" for the html5 part.

Bob

@Psycogeek Shumway is a Firefox extension.

It's specifically to emulate Flash in HTML5

still experimental

Psycogeek

@Bob so firefox doesnt have flash play all in it yet like IE10 seems to? I dont even know how IE10 does it ?

Bob

@Psycogeek I believe IE10 and GC both ship with their own versions of Flash (based on or developed by Adobe, I believe).

Firefox uses the NPAPI plugin provided by Adobe, which is installed separately.

Psycogeek

Kinds surprised that it had flash, But funny it didnt trigger up a silverlight :-)

Guess MS isnt ever going to get that off the ground

@Boris_yo Uhh and what pretend your pushing the buttons? I dont think it would pass, because i wouldnt be Dying constantaly

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek I don't know what centrefold is. Somekind of folded poster in journal?

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