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Bob

17:01

Nope. That's a RPM package.

Einsteins Grandson

i deleted like 50 MB from my USB stick

Bob

Congrats?

Einsteins Grandson

First I moved the files from USB stick to my laptop

So the only place where it was .... was on the HDD of the laptop

Now I want to recover the data

From where should I try to recover it?

HDD of laptop or USB stick?

Which one has a higher probability of recovering?

The USB memory stick is FAT32

HDD is NTFS.... old one... not SSD

Bob

@EinsteinsGrandson So, why isn't it there anymore?

Einsteins Grandson

I deleted it from the HDD also

;o)

Bob

17:06

...

bangs head into wall

Einsteins Grandson

First I moved it from USB to HDD

Then I deleted it from the HDD

Bob

...

Einsteins Grandson

So I can recover it either from USB stick or HDD

Bob

If you have written any data to the media since deletion, consider it permanently gone.

Einsteins Grandson

Which software should I use?

I didn't

At least on USB stick .....

Bob

17:08

If you have booted, hell, even continued to use the system on the HDD, consider it permanently gone.

Einsteins Grandson

OK

From HDD it's gone

But USB stick can save me

right?

Bob

As with all data recovery: step 1: take an image of the disk

then work on the image, or preferably a copy of the image

never ever ever ever write to the media you are trying to recover from

Einsteins Grandson

ok

and which software should I use?

;o)

which one is the best?

;o)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

Bob

dd can take a backup image, though there are other methods

Einsteins Grandson

no

I mean for recovering

I will just try to recover from USB straight away

Bob

17:10

...

why do I even try

Einsteins Grandson

;o)

So what's wrong?

I don't need to do the backup ot the USB stick ... do I ?

backup image

Bob

@JourneymanGeek there's got to be some explanation why no one ever takes the backup image advice

well, very few

Einsteins Grandson

You are right

For example my HDD is like 8 years old

Should I do the backup?

When it stops working one day, I will commit suicide

Bob

what the hell has the age of the HDD got to do with it?

Einsteins Grandson

;o))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

Bob

17:13

..

Einsteins Grandson

That in 8 years you have a lot of photos on it

Photos you made in 8 years

Bob

if you want me to name a program, I have briefly attempted to use GetDataBack in the past

Einsteins Grandson

and other documents...

Bob

no guarantee of what will happen

I'm going to sleep

Einsteins Grandson

ok

Bob

17:14

lrn2backup

Einsteins Grandson

ok, thank you

Bob

I'd also highly recommend mounting the flash drive under Linux in read-only mode, making an image, then mounting the image and working on that.

Because you never know what programs will decide to write/modify data on any given drive

Einsteins Grandson

ok

Bob

and any written data has the chance to permanently overwrite 'deleted' data

John Cavil

@njallam Welcome to Root Access chat for Super Users! Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.

Einsteins Grandson

17:19

BTW, what if I want to backup my data on some Cloud storage?

How much do I pay for 100 GB per year?

njallam

@JohnCavil -_-

Einsteins Grandson

50 USD?

njallam

Can I no longer make a sneaky entrance?

Bob

@njallam the bot should remember after the first time

njallam

@Bob Kay :P

Bob

17:20

@EinsteinsGrandson crashplan.com/consumer/compare.html

If you'd prefer to roll your own and just pay for storage: aws.amazon.com/glacier/pricing

Boris_yo

@EinsteinsGrandson You seem like doing unnecessary work for writing this emoticon. Just write like this and save yourself some typing. :) or ;) without "o" which resembles nose.

Einsteins Grandson

;-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) MEANS DON'T KILL ME FOR A STUPID QUESTION

3

Bob

TIL

Boris_yo

;o) <<< this? @EinsteinsGrandson

Bob

@EinsteinsGrandson backblaze.com

There's a bunch more I've never heard of: lifehacker.com.au/2009/11/five-best-online-backup-tools

Boris_yo

17:27

@Bob I hope they don't use tape media as storage?

Bob

@Boris_yo I believe they do, why?

Huh. Apparently not:

> however all publicly available information (including communications with Amazon itself) appears to support the claim that Glacier is backed by inexpensive commodity hard drives and not tape.

Einsteins Grandson

$0.01 per GB / month from Amazon.... that's like 1 USD per month for 100 GB

Bob

> This confusion is exacerbated by the fact that Glacier experiences archive retrieval delays similar access delays to that of tape-based systems (3-5 hours before archives are available).

Einsteins Grandson

That's very very cheap!!!!!!!!!

Bob

@EinsteinsGrandson But keep in mine the retrieval intricacies. And you'd have to set it up yourself, as opposed to something like crashplan (automatic, difference only backups)

Glacier retrieval is.. weird.

You can retrieve a certain % of your storage for free each month, after that it gets somewhat expensive /GB

Good for long term storage

Not so good if you're anticipating pulling data down often

Einsteins Grandson

17:30

fuck

Bob

Amazon Glacier

Amazon Glacier is an online file storage web service that provides reliable storage for data archiving and backup. Glacier is part of the Amazon Web Services suite of cloud computing services, and is designed for long-term storage of data that is infrequently accessed and for which retrieval latency times of 3 to 5 hours are acceptable. Storage costs are a consistent $0.01 per gigabyte per month, which is substantially cheaper than their own Simple Storage Service (S3) service. Amazon hopes this new service will move businesses from on-premises tape backup drives to cloud-based backup ...

> In one example, a user stored 15GB of data in Glacier, retrieved 693MB for testing, and ended up being charged for 126GB due to retrieval rate calculation.

o.O

Boris_yo

@Bob Expensive due to compounding effect of data retrieval?

Bob

@Boris_yo The most you retrieve in a single hour is multiplied by the hours in a month for the cost...

At least according to the Wikipedia article.

Boris_yo

@Bob I am not getting this one. How can one retrieve more than he does at cloud? Was he charged for bandwidth too?

Bob

@Boris_yo Take the retrieval rate

Say, 693MB/hour

multiply by hours/month

Einsteins Grandson

17:35

I can slow my internet connection so that I don't download more than 100 MB per hour

i heart from a friend that I can find very cheap cloud storage in China

Bob

It doesn't look at amount per month - it looks at the highest amount per hour reached at any time in that month, and assumes that that highest rate was being used for every hour in them month

@EinsteinsGrandson And, what? Take a thousand hours to retrieve all of it?

Einsteins Grandson

like 10 USD a year for unlimited storage and unlimited retrieving every day

Bob

Sure. Go for that if you want.

I'd not trust that at all

Einsteins Grandson

1000 hours ? not... maybe like 100 hours to rerieve 100 GB

Boris_yo

@Bob Because 0.01c sounds too cheap and should raise suspicion of savvy users.

Bob

17:37

@EinsteinsGrandson 100 GB is 100,000 MB. At 100MB/hour, that's 1000 hours.

Einsteins Grandson

What do they do with my data in Cloud Storage company like Amazon?

Bob

@Boris_yo That's just the charge for holding the data there.

@EinsteinsGrandson Store it.

Simple.

but normally with high redundancy

Einsteins Grandson

what if I have business ideas in my data?

I mean I believe they scan it for sure

njallam

Say if I want to change my primary Microsoft account alias, and I have it linked to a Windows Phone and two Windows 8 installs. What do I need to take into consideration?

Bob

@EinsteinsGrandson Eh. If you have osmething you really need to keep 'secret', encrypt it. or leave it at home.

Scan it?

Sure.

Keyword search for "SECRET BUSINESS IDEAS!!!!!1111ONE"

Einsteins Grandson

17:39

after the PRISM project was revealed I don't trust anybody on the internet anymore

Bob

Then leave it at home.

Personally, I don't like the concept of a 'cloud', marketing buzzword that it is.

But you did ask.

Einsteins Grandson

What if I have pictures of dead bodies of people I killed in my data on Cloud?

Bob

@njallam What do you mean, change?

Einsteins Grandson

Will they find out ?

Bob

@EinsteinsGrandson Do you?

Einsteins Grandson

17:40

Maybe I do

njallam

@Bob Change the primary alias on my account to another one linked to my account

Bob

@njallam No clue :S

njallam

@Bob Okay, that's fine

I'm just gonna change it anyway and hope nothing breaks too badly

Bob

anyway, ima sleep now

cya all

@njallam good luck

Einsteins Grandson

I mean I can have thousand of mp3 from torrents, software like Adobe Acrobat, Photoshop...

njallam

17:41

@Bob Thanks, I'll probably need it :P

Einsteins Grandson

Then they can send it to police and I go to jail

Pictures of naked children - my nephew and niece.... They will say I am an pedophile

I saw a naked little girl in a mall yesterday

Which is probably a crime in the US

Not in Europe

What I wanted to say is .... Once I put my data on Cloud..... The company that is offering the service for me.... can use this data against me!

Einsteins Grandson

17:56

I recovered the data

It was easy

I used the good old Easy Recovery 6.03 from the year 2003

It never lets me down!!!!!!!

Recovers deleted data easily and pretty quickly

Psycogeek

@EinsteinsGrandson so you want to store your ill gotten goods on their server? Will the password be Open Sesame

Boris_yo

18:27

HTC One for $70! Shut up and take my money! focalprice.com/MH0729S/…

Psycogeek

what is it with china and cheap clones cnn.com/2013/08/16/world/asia/china-zoo-dog-lion/… :-)

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek So they not only fake clones but zoo animals. Neat!

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo sort of funny we both posted Clones at the same time.

Mokubai

@Boris_yo It quite clearly only says "One" rather than "HTC One"... I sure there's no way anyone could confuse the two :)

Boris_yo

@Mokubai This is a trap for non-savvy people.

@Mokubai They don't want to get into trademark violation.

Psycogeek

18:39

@Boris_yo is that stuff there used also? how do they have a Windows CE device still?

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek What device has Windows CE? That fake "One" phone?

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo the gps devices, mabey i just did not know that CE lived forever.

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek Our destinies intertwined?

Psycogeek

oooooh quad core, wonder how many android apps are multithreaded?

Boris_yo

19:14

"We should understand that the Scriptures, both of the Old Testament and the New, were written by men; they are the word of God but written by men. Giving absolute belief to each of its words, perceiving each one to be absolutely divine, is an exercise in naiveté, as is confusing the metaphorical nature of countless words and passages in the Bible and interpreting them in an exclusively literal way. That is a nearsightedness that limits us."

@Psycogeek Do you think this would work? lifehacker.com/5583151/…

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