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Journeyman Geek

00:01

@Bob people are stupid ;p

Boris_yo

@JourneymanGeek That's a wrong stereotype my friend. People are lazy.

KronoS

hey @JourneymanGeek any recommendations for domain hosting?

Boris_yo

@KronoS Namecheap. Don't forget to check for coupons. Wait, you want website hosting or domain registration?

KronoS

Domain Registration... website I can run from home, or take care of later

Boris_yo

@KronoS Hosting from home? But that means computer working 24/7, constant maintenance etc.

KronoS

00:12

@Boris_yo GoDaddy is a few dollars cheaper :/

just not sure if I trust GoDaddy

It's not a big deal for me... Also, if I have the domain, I can transfer the ip addres routing to another service (like AWS or Azure if I want)

Boris_yo

@KronoS Oh yeah, you can host on AWS too...

KronoS

I just need registration, not hosting

Journeyman Geek

@KronoS namescheap

I've used them for ages, they're seriously reliable and I've never had issues with them

KronoS

@JourneymanGeek but they don't seem too cheap. What advantages are there?

Journeyman Geek

@KronoS: they arn't evil? ;p

KronoS

00:19

lol... hence my hesitation for GoDaddy :P

but what about DreamHost? Heard of them?

Journeyman Geek

Honestly, a BIG reason I went with them was they contacted me and let me know when my paypal was hacked, and someone bought domains with my accounts

@KronoS: some folk I know had bad experience with their webhosting

not sure of anyone who has used just their domain names

KronoS

Oh... nvm... I was looking at their hosting prices

I just need a domain registrations

@JourneymanGeek oh wow that's great

Journeyman Geek

@KronoS: let me put it this way, as long as my A and AAAA names are correct, and my bills are paid, I don't loose sleep over my domain names

UNLIKE my dad's hosting, and their byzantine, web 0.5 style design. We end up having to email them to do renewals.

KronoS

ok going with them

Boris_yo

I heard one does not simply go with domain registration with companies who mainly specialize in hosting because they raise domain price after first year.

KronoS

00:26

This is true... But NamesCheap doesn't do that it appears

they give a slight discount for the more years you register

Boris_yo

lmgtfy.com/?q=namecheap+coupon

Journeyman Geek

@Boris_yo: aws free is a bit limited

I'd rather pay a little for a proper VPS - I'm using a buyvm one, though I might go with tortoise labs, since I know the guy who runs it

We have this wierd thing were we each respect the other's skills, and thinks the other is an arse ;p

(Person who runs it is technically very good. We just have some unanticipated geek dominance issues that got taken care of with some mutual YELLING over IRC. I do believe though, she's seriously competent, and the prices are right. I just don't need a 512 mb vps yet ;p)

KronoS

00:41

So.... how do I get my domain to point to my ip address? @JourneymanGeek

John Cavil

@SLaG Welcome to Root Access chat for Super Users! Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.

KronoS

oh nvm... I just figured it out :P

thanks @JourneymanGeek and @Boris_yo

@JohnCavil What if I don't want to do that

somequixotic

00:56

o/

@KronoS He's a Bot :P

KronoS

@somequixotic oh I know... that's only reason why I would be rude to anyone on chat

Journeyman Geek

02:03

@kronos: set an A record

That Brazilian Guy

Is this question OK for SU? Or better suited at Linux, or SF, or...?

2

Q: NFS Mounts - Linux/Windows Permissions

I'm trying to mount a NFS-Share where I need specific permissions on the linux-site and a specific user on windows-site who is able to read AND write in this NFS-share. When I mount the share on Linux sudo mount -t nfs myservername:/NFSSHARE /mnt/mymountpoint it has the permissions 777 (drwxr...

Also, WTF answer:

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A: NFS Mounts - Linux/Windows Permissions

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUVtoc6cyMY http://doxfer.webmin.com/Webmin/NFSExports xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx...

somequixotic

02:18

@ThatBrazilianGuy lolwut

@ThatBrazilianGuy it's fine. a bit too casual for SF, I think

Journeyman Geek

03:00

should be ok for SU

Bob

03:33

@ThatBrazilianGuy Probably lack of characters.

Which indicates other problems with the answer, normally (but not always... computer-enforced limitations are never 100% accurate).

Journeyman Geek

@Bob a very simple one being, its link only

oops

Journeyman Geek

06:18

hm

actually what i'm looking for is a windows charger alike the mac one: i.imgur.com/8LjXk.jpg you do mean that these things exists right? — Pacerier Aug 15 '11 at 15:06

whut?

Bob

> windows charger

I don't...

Journeyman Geek

06:39

;p

jokerdino

08:14

15 hours ago, by Einsteins Grandson

;-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) MEANS DON'T KILL ME FOR A STUPID QUESTION

Wait, is that what it meant all along?

Bob

08:52

@jokerdino Apparently.

Journeyman Geek

09:12

barani

1

windows-7 intel

headesk

I thought it was pringles.

Bob

New milestone!

sabgenton

09:34

It's Impossible to search multiple drives in windows 8!!

angry

They almost removed it in windows 7

0

Q: How to search in multiple folders in Windows 7?

In Windows Vista, you could easily select multiple non-indexed locations to search in. Where has this option been moved in Windows 7?

windows-7 windows-search

now there is no GUI to do it at all!

There is a way you modify the query in the address bar

but C:\ must be typed C%3A%5C ! with every new slash being %5C

Anyone know an end to this insanity?

each query in the address bar is separated with &'s
obviously all this will be way way to hard for the average user

It's not even power user friendly cause you have to convert colons and slashes to character codes.IMO *nix find is less tedious!

Bob

10:31

@sabgenton you are aware that Windows has command line utilities? And that you can easily download very powerful third party tools?

sabgenton

Comon home users want easy dum tools they where there in xp and to some degree 7

but yeah I have cygwin so find is way better

Bob

@sabgenton In one breath you say "*nix find is less tedious" and "home users want easy dumb tools"

Do you see the problem with that statement?

sabgenton

yeah if the tool was easy dumb I couldn't mention find

Bob

...

for fuck's sake

sabgenton

but fact is you have to use query syntax to search two drives in windows 8

lol

hey dude I am all for a windows tool that works, drive search worked in xp and 7 from the gui

I'm not hating (to much) I'm just saying

Bob

10:34

makeuseof.com/tag/7-awesome-alternatives-windows-search-si

It doesn't get much easier than that.

Probably the most often recommended one on here: voidtools.com

Bob

11:56

Heh.

> Spell, punctuate, and capitalize correctly. Don't confuse “its” with “it's”, “loose” with “lose”, or “discrete” with “discreet”. Don't TYPE IN ALL CAPS; this is read as shouting and considered rude. (All-smalls is only slightly less annoying, as it's difficult to read. Alan Cox can get away with it, but you can't.)

> More generally, if you write like a semi-literate boob you will very likely be ignored. So don't use instant-messaging shortcuts. Spelling "you" as "u" makes you look like a semi-literate boob to save two entire keystrokes. Worse: writing like a l33t script kiddie hax0r is the absolute kiss of death and guarantees you will receive nothing but stony silence (or, at best, a heaping helping of scorn and sarcasm) in return.

Boris_yo

@Bob Looks like you gave up on closing the rest of 2000 one by one?

@Bob Can't stand it.

Lews Therin

12:47

@JourneymanGeek Hiya! Yeah I wondered for a sec how that worked ha :)

Oliver Salzburg

And I lost my days again, just like last year :P

Boris_yo

@OliverSalzburg What does that mean?

Oliver Salzburg

@Boris_yo It means I had my "consecutive days visited" count reset because I didn't visit the site yesterday

Bob

@OliverSalzburg :(

Currently at 557 days.

Heavily considering scripting it - so much to lose!

But then it would be cheating D:

Oliver Salzburg

13:02

:D

Boris_yo

@OliverSalzburg Ah you just tried to accumulate consecutive days for some kind of record?

Bob

@JourneymanGeek is sleepy:

Journeyman Geek

lol

and

(the box isn't on the bed ;p)

Boris_yo

@JourneymanGeek Your father took photo of you?

Journeyman Geek

oh, this is my favourite ever

lh4.googleusercontent.com/…

Bob

13:13

@JourneymanGeek Whose arm is that?

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: mine of course. You do see me there, right?

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Nono, the human arm.

Journeyman Geek

;p

Bob

(Seriously, though, now I want a pet)

Journeyman Geek

Sometimes the answer is right under your nose

Bob

13:14

XD

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: we arn't quite sure who is whose pet ;p

sometimes its more like dog and househuman ;p

@Bob: Well, sometimes you find the perfect pet. Sometimes he finds you ;p

/me remembers the frantic, slightly odd looking puppy who got left at our place 'temporarily' 8 years ago ;p

Snauzer puppies look like angry little gremlins.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Huh. What happened?

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: original owner was a small time actress, got him cause he was cute. Hubby didn't like the dog, they got into a fight since she'd bought him without asking.

BIG fight, she stayed over at our office while they worked things out, she left him alone most of the day

so he was the TINEST bit neurotic from bordom, chewed up everything, attacked ankles and so on

On the other hand, he was toilet trained a day after we got him. We waited a week, waited two, considered adopting him out...

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Office?

Journeyman Geek

then realised we couldn't ;p

Bob

13:19

I am so confused :S

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: we rented the apartment next to ours as an office ;p

We occationally let visitors use the back room

Bob

Wait. Who's "we"? What do you do?

Journeyman Geek

lol

family business?

Bob

ya

Journeyman Geek

and family in general ;p

we do port engineering, spares, fixing up other people's messes

Boris_yo

13:20

@JourneymanGeek It's your father's!

Journeyman Geek

@Boris_yo: if you want to be technical, 'Uncle's'

AKA the pet human ;p

@Bob: adopting a dog really has to be a family decision, and well, I THINK the sad eyes of doom made that decision for everyone ;p

Bob

forums.overclockers.com.au/showthread.php?t=1005680

..

Journeyman Geek

what's a kransky?

Bob

I happened to come across some, picked them up, and was wondering what the recommended method of cooking was.

Quick search; why the hell was overclockers a result for cooking food??

Journeyman Geek

lol

Bob

13:25

@JourneymanGeek Some kind of sausage.

Journeyman Geek

why not? gotta do SOMETHING with all that heat ;p

Bob

Kranjska klobasa

Kranjska klobasa (Australian English: Kransky, German: Krainer Wurst, Italian dialect of Trieste: luganighe de Cragno) is a Slovenian sausage most similar to what is known as kielbasa or Polish sausage in North America. The noun klobasa refers to a small sausage generally served whole (in contrast to salama) in Slovene. The adjective kranjska derives from the region of Carniola (Kranjska in Slovenian, Krain in German), which used to be a province in the Austro-Hungarian Empire. The earliest mention of the kranjska klobasa in German is found in Katarina Prato's renowned cookbook Süddeutsch...

Journeyman Geek

looking at that now, lol

Bob

Huh. Austria is mentioned a lot in that article.

slhck

13:51

@Bob Käsekrainer!

Heck, you get this at every corner here.

Great, now you got me hungry, and I don't even eat these.

Journeyman Geek

lol

wonders when ghost month ends

they're building a huge temporary tent thing in the field downstairs. That might mean bad, late nightish singing :/

(no, not ghosts. This singing is even worse ;p)

Boris_yo

14:06

@slhck Want to know the secret to stop overeating? Every time watch at cockroach. It will spoil your appetite.

Journeyman Geek

or just not talk about food ;p

also there's places in the world they eat roaches

slhck

That'd be quite an insult to those people

-2

Q: surfing speed vs downloading speed?

I went through another question like this on superuser,but wasnt satisfied with the answer. I wanted to know the difference between browsing and downloading speed. Usually the ISP say that they provide 2mbps speed,Should I recon this as my download speed or surfing speed? There is always a huge...

internet download speed isp internet-speed

I'm looking for an analogy to explain this.

I mean, if you're going on a highway that has three lanes, it doesn't matter if you walk on it or take your car to drive there, it'll still have three lanes.

Lews Therin

I think browsing is similar to surfing, which just means visiting several web pages. And the side effect is downloading bytes. Either way you are downloading bytes.

I don't know, it's a weird question

jokerdino

it's the download speed. surfing essentially is downloading.

Lews Therin

There is a bit of a difference.

Journeyman Geek

14:20

with 'surfing' you're downloading many small files

then assembling them into a web page.

slhck

This could be a valid question in this form "why do my apparent download speeds increase for large files and decrease for web pages?". This is a simple question to answer in that there are many factors involved such as DNS lookup, connect time, ssl negotiation, time-to-first byte, max connections per host, etcetera. All of these factors favor large single downloads over multiple small downloads. Here a good place to start : webperformancetoday.com/2010/07/09/waterfalls-101 — BrianAdkins 1 min ago

And now the OP is definitely confused.

Lews Therin

I don't know why technicality (downloading bits) is attributed to surfing. It is a high level thing that no user gives a shit about.

So surfing speed probably means how fast the user visits web pages

Download speed on the other hand.. depends on how good the ISP is

slhck

Well, the OP wanted to measure surfing speed in amount of data per second, so that's kind of the wrong approach.

Pages per minute maybe.

Lews Therin

Yeah

Ppm sounds better

Got a question, is there a command to view the contents of a dns server?

Journeyman Geek

hm

'contents'?

slhck

14:27

ls -la?

Journeyman Geek

like all the domains that it handles?

Lews Therin

Yeah, the hosts it stores

slhck

What server, running on which OS?

Or from the outside?

Lews Therin

Windows and Unix

I used nslookup in the office at home and the office in the States, and the hosts use a different DNS server.

I'm just curious how it is set up that both can resolve intranet pages

Journeyman Geek

14

Q: Is there a way to get the complete zone file for a domain without contacting its host?

I know that it's probably (no longer) possible because of abuse, but I want to check nonetheless. Is there a way for me to obtain the company zone file for a domain myself, without having to contact the people who host the DNS for that domain? Is there a way to get the complete zone file for a ...

dns

oh

I misunderstood then ;p

Lews Therin

14:31

Maybe I can try another question.

If I pinged another PC, is it possible that the ping command uses VPN

I can rdp and ping to my host at home (I'm staying in the States for a while btw). But I can't ping it from my laptop in the hotel.

So which means the DNS server has to be private or something

slhck

Ping (or ICMP requests in general) might be blocked?

Or can you ping something else?

Boris_yo

@slhck Surfing is downloading from many sources simultaneously while downloading is focused on 1 file at a time.

Lews Therin

Say my computer in the Dublin office is called dublin111 and the NY office is called ny111. I can ping and rdp dublin111 from ny111.

But I can't do that from my home laptop

slhck

Because the name doesn't resolve?

Lews Therin

Yeah

So is it a private dns server? Site to site vpn?

slhck

14:38

Well, if the name is resolved by some internal nameserver only accessible from within the office network, then it's possible.

Journeyman Geek

site to site vpn might be pretty trivial

Lews Therin

Trivial how do you mean?

Journeyman Geek

@LewsTherin: its pretty simple to create a VPN tunnel that bridges two networks

Lews Therin

So it's a likely possibility that site to site vpn is used?

Journeyman Geek

well, its plausible

Lews Therin

14:41

Let's say that site to site vpn was used (I still think that an internal dns server is more likely) how will ping use the vpn?

Or are both (dns and vpn) used together?

Journeyman Geek

they're used together

vpn basically just links the two networks together

Lews Therin

Makes sense. Thanks

Is there a practical way to gets hands on networking experience?

Bob

@slhck I've never noticed it before, just sitting at the local deli...

Apparently it's quite popular here.

Journeyman Geek

@LewsTherin: I'd say do it ;p

there's apparently network simulators floating around which might be of use

Lews Therin

Oh nice. I will search for this sims

GNS3 seems kwl

Bob

14:59

@slhck Eh, I've tried to explain.

@slhck I think you hit it on the head with your 'wrong premise' comment.

Journeyman Geek

hm, if sleeping dogs is to be believed, the proper way to dispose of a carbomb is to drive it into the ocean.

Bob

not sure how it wuold work with a larger one, though

@JourneymanGeek they normally just clear the area and blow up smaller bombs

shouldn't you know, mr. army reservist? :P

Journeyman Geek

lol

@Bob: I found this amusing ;p

also, I'm best not allowed near explosives

I throw like a girl

(thankfully, it could be worse. I could.. fetch)

Bob

@JourneymanGeek </sexism> :P

►

Journeyman Geek

thats PRETTY close to what happened.

Bob

15:08

o.O

Journeyman Geek

tho, mine cleared the wall

;p

jokerdino

how far is the wall?

Journeyman Geek

actrually mine tumbled and fell about 3 feet away

jokerdino

i can maybe throw some 40 metres but i haven't measured it.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Always a good thing! :P

jokerdino

15:08

could be a lot less Fwiw

Journeyman Geek

lol, right in front of you

Bob

How heavy is a grenade, anyway?

Journeyman Geek

not very

but there's a technique to it

Bob

Compared to, say, a tennis ball?

Journeyman Geek

lol

its like throwing a full can of coke, maybe

jokerdino

15:09

oh

a tad heavy compared to a ball?

Bob

Eh. I'd probably fail at throwing one.

Be lucky to get 5 metres.

jokerdino

throwing a cricket ball is easier.

Bob

Came across a few of those videos before. Here's another:

►

jokerdino

@Bob i am sure you can easily throw 20

Bob

@jokerdino Nope. My throwing sucks.

jokerdino

15:11

you are not dyslexic, are you?!?!

or you have arms like a T-rex.

Bob

And here's the last one:

►

@jokerdino Sounds about right.

Well, not so much the arm length.

I'm... rather weak :P

Pushups? Can't do any properly. And I'm not even heavy.

jokerdino

I appreciate your admission. I am horribly weak myself. :P

Boris_yo

15:23

@Bob Plain smoke grenade.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek 8 days to go for the Visionnaire! :D

Seems a whole lot more people want Noir than Chrome.

And I'm sure I've said that before.

Bob

15:43

!!xkcd new

John Cavil

You may point out that strictly speaking, you can use that statement to prove that all risks are tiny--to which I reply HOLY SHIT WATCH OUT FOR THAT DOG!

Bob

I think I'll just start reading xkcd through @JohnCavil.

jokerdino

you might as well use the xkcd rss feed.

That Brazilian Guy

Persons, please help me out: me and my gf we're on the same wifi. Same DNS servers (google's 8.8.8.8 & 8.8.4.4), she's on win7, I'm on Ubuntu. I can't open gmail, she can. WTF?

jokerdino

ping gmail

Bob

15:48

@ThatBrazilianGuy What is the exact error message when you try?

Or does it just 'take forever'?

That Brazilian Guy

@Bob Takes forever to load, not even "connectiong gmail.com" appears on the browser bottom.

ruda@ubuntralha:~$ ping gmail.com
PING gmail.com (74.125.234.54) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from gru03s06-in-f22.1e100.net (74.125.234.54): icmp_req=1 ttl=54 time=35.9 ms
64 bytes from gru03s06-in-f22.1e100.net (74.125.234.54): icmp_req=2 ttl=55 time=39.5 ms
64 bytes from gru03s06-in-f22.1e100.net (74.125.234.54): icmp_req=3 ttl=54 time=37.4 ms
64 bytes from gru03s06-in-f22.1e100.net (74.125.234.54): icmp_req=4 ttl=54 time=39.2 ms

Bob

If you were on Windows, I'd point you to Fiddler...

Gmail forces SSL, so you can't just telnet in to check.

You on Firefox?

That Brazilian Guy

@Bob Yes, v23

I can open SSL fine, facebook opens on SSL

@Bob I can dualboot on win7. But Fiddler is similar to Wireshark, right?

Bob

@ThatBrazilianGuy Fiddler is friendlier.

You can take a look at the network inspector in Firefox.

They just introduced that in 23.0.

My laptop is still on 22.0, brb.

jokerdino

@Bob interesting

That Brazilian Guy

15:53

I know the one in Chrome, never tried the FF one.

jokerdino

I see it.

That Brazilian Guy

Found it

Cool, updates on realtime! Shows POSTs here :)

^-- this is what it shows on trying to load gmail.com

Just "GET /" and then stalls forever

...OK, I'm just gonna try booting Win7, don't know what to do.

Bob

Back.

That update took forever.

Some stupid extension's script died on the restart and went full disk access. I should look into lowering FF's 'unresponsive script' timeout...

slhck

lol

Curiousity Curiousity

9 3

browser google-chrome laptop usb usb-storage windows-7 windows-8

Askto Gainknowledge

22 6

windows-8 partitioning safari browser opera google-chrome hard-drive

As if I'm not gonna fall for that.

jokerdino

hmm

John Cavil

16:08

@Griffin Welcome to Root Access chat for Super Users! Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.

Griffin

Anyone here mod?

/ person playing with flags

jokerdino

me no mod

slhck

Mod here, @Griffin

Sup?

Griffin

1 sec

Flagged this as having to do with IT security because he's well wondering how to secure his password. Declined because it was about software superuser.com/questions/633361/…

I is confuseled

slhck

@Griffin Well, it's primarily about Firefox and what it does with your password and browsing data.

How would that not fit here?

Remember, questions only get migrated if they are off topic here, on topic for another site. Not just because they could be better somewhere else.

Apart from that it's a quite vague question and I would have been hesitant to migrate it anywhere.

So yeah.

Griffin

16:12

@slhck My bet is he means more of a if they're not secure "How do I protect my passwords that are stored in firefox." Since it should be noted they're not really. You are correct with the quite vague.

slhck

@Griffin Yeah, if you check the question again I marked it as a duplicate of something that's been asked two days ago.

Griffin

@slhck I was just looking at that :P

slhck

Where I actually went as far as to explain the rationale for closing.

Griffin

@slhck Makes sense, that's one of the questions where it's more of a "I could list everything but that'd be a lonngggg list and wouldn't really explain the overall concept." Not all questions that have long answers are worth closing however. Like some of the best have long questions. Personal favorite yet I'm kinda biased to the author security.stackexchange.com/questions/33860/…

Bob

@slhck It might actually be a closer dupe of this

slhck

16:18

@Bob Good ~~find~~ answer. You can drop the OP the link if you want.

Bob

@slhck Heh, find. I answered that one :P

slhck

Not gonna reopen and bump this again.

There.

:P

That Brazilian Guy

@ThatBrazilianGuy I rebooted into Win7 and gmail works. I rebooted back into Ubuntu and now it works! WTF?!?!??!

"No, Linux is not at all like Windows where you 'have to turn it off and on again' to fix bugs". Sure.

Griffin

@ThatBrazilianGuy Always turn it on and off again. Works wonders.

Bob

@ThatBrazilianGuy Whoever said that is an idiot.

Neither OS must be restarted.

At the same time, neither OS is immune ti applications and components that happen upon and retain a bad state until restart.

That Brazilian Guy

16:23

TIL a new term: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heisenbug thx @Bob

Bob

@ThatBrazilianGuy Doesn't really apply here :P

That's more of a 'it disappears when you look at it'

jokerdino

i think it's a play on heisenberg's uncertainty.

Griffin

Well I gonna take my yolo and go now. Still love all you <3

jokerdino

you can either know this or that but not both.

That Brazilian Guy

@Bob I used to do tech support. Try explaining to a client that, many times, the very act of pinpointing a bug usually fixes the bug itself, and it's hard to estimate the cause and time to fix it, because when you know the answer you already have it fixed!

Bob

16:36

I wonder how many people will take the latter half of this comment seriously?

I must point out that Firefox's source code is all public. In theory, the distributed binary could be tampered with. If you really are that paranoid, audit the source and then compile it yourself. (If you really are that paranoid, you'd know that the compiler could be compromised to inject malicious code into everything it compiles, and you'd write the assembly code yourself and hope the processor microcode isn't compromised. But that's crazy levels of paranoia.) — Bob 21 secs ago

jokerdino

only the 5 people who will read all of the comment

Bob

lol

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