Root Access

Oliver Salzburg

00:12

@ThatBrazilianGuy That's a lot for a Pi

somequixotic

@OliverSalzburg have you seen unbaby.me ?

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Oliver Salzburg

@somequixotic Now I have

Not that big of an issue for me though. I just make inappropriate comments to anyone posting baby pictures and they usually unfriend me

And, no, I don't actually do that :P

And their definition of "awesome stuff" doesn't perfectly correlate with mine. Outrageous!

somequixotic

@OliverSalzburg you can customize what you want it to replace the images with. :P

Journeyman Geek

lol

Oliver Salzburg

It just changes my perception of reality, people are still the way I don't like them to be :(

Isn't that horrible?

Journeyman Geek

00:33

@OliverSalzburg: thats why I prefer g+ over facebook

Oliver Salzburg

@JourneymanGeek I can relate

That Brazilian Guy

00:45

@somequixotic How does it work?

@OliverSalzburg I was reading an article about a guy who imported one and ended up paying $35 product, $40 shipping, $80 taxes.

Journeyman Geek

hmm

Oliver Salzburg

@ThatBrazilianGuy wtf

Journeyman Geek

Blah, I put in a request to have my server reprovisioned over the old system my host uses, turns out they switched, so I was waiting 2 days for nothing

@ThatBrazilianGuy: eh, we don't pay sales tax for anything worth under a hundred ;)

Oliver Salzburg

I ran into performance issues with my component right before I wanted to go to sleep. This is going to cost me said sleep :(

That Brazilian Guy

@OliverSalzburg I was talking to @JourneymanGeek earliar on gtalk. I wanted to buy an Ouya. $150 for the product, $160 for taxes upon leavin the US, plus shippping, plus 60% on top of all that (including shipping) upon arrival

Journeyman Geek

00:51

yeah, thats pretty crazy

Oliver Salzburg

@ThatBrazilianGuy Can't someone ship it to you as a gift or something?

Journeyman Geek

didn't even know the US taxed exports

Oliver Salzburg

@JourneymanGeek Only to countries they hate

"brown countries"

That Brazilian Guy

@JourneymanGeek We were SUPPOSED to not pay taxes on stuff under U$50, or stuff labeled as gifts. On reality, it's a lottery. The guy at the customs wakes up feeling pissed off, takes a weird look at your package, BOOM, taxes. They can even guess an "estimate" price. They are probably middle age officemen who can't tell a game console from a tablet from a Rasp Pi.

"Oh, what's that? Here it says it's a computer. $35? Can't be right, let's tax it as $350, obviously missing a zero".

@JourneymanGeek It seems so, there's a field on amazon.com let me check

Oh, wait.

Journeyman Geek

"import fees deposit"

;p

not export tax. Blame your country ;p

That Brazilian Guy

01:03

""Import Fees Deposit" represents an estimate of the Import Fees (...) This deposit will be used, on your behalf, to reimburse the Designated Carriers for the import fees that they have paid on your behalf to the appropriate authorities of the destination country. (...) In the event that the Import Fees Deposit exceeds the Actual Import Fees, Amazon Export or Merchant (as applicable) will refund the difference to you."

@JourneymanGeek Don't worry. There are far, far, far worse stuff my country should be held responsible for.

@somequixotic Oh, it's by keyword. I already have an extension for that.

I was wondering, "WTF, face recognition by JavaScript"?

ekaj

Would it be acceptable to add a 1 day waiting period to accept an answer on a new question? I feel like some users would be less inclined to add an answer that may help other users if an answer is accepted immediately

Oliver Salzburg

@ekaj There are waiting periods to accept an answer on a question

ekaj

orly? I wasn't aware.. =p I just saw that one was answered in <1 hour, so I was curioud

*curious

Oliver Salzburg

►

So good! :D

Amith KK

01:24

if(j==0)
 temp=temp.substring(j+1);
else if(temp.length()-1>j+1)
 temp=temp.substring(0,j)+temp.substring(j+1);
else
 temp=temp.substring(0,j);

That's the code for removing a character from a string.

j is the index of the string

can someone tell me what's wrong with that :)

Canadian Luke

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Oliver Salzburg

@AmithKK Nothing is wrong with it unless you tell us what you think is wrong with it

Amith KK

@OliverSalzburg nvm

Oliver Salzburg

Another case solved

tapped-out

02:23

grr i can't find a version of VLC that works on 98SE

Canadian Luke

02:35

@tapped-out What about version 0.01 alpha private-beta release candidate nightly build?

That Brazilian Guy

I accidentally managed to sign up at a webstore with a space on my email. I wonder how they will email me with sales info.

tapped-out

ah, VLC 0.8.6i works

Psycogeek

In this Q, as we can see the processor "frequency" or clocking/stepping has changed. superuser.com/questions/628845/… Is that HOW overheat throttling works , via the CPU itself? Or is this likely to be the motherboard throttling? Or something else completly. (I dont have anything that overheats)

There is also the windows power properties Max min , some people have indicated that can actually change the . . . max and min :-)

Journeyman Geek

03:02

@Psycogeek: onboard heat sensor

damn, the mods are fast ;p

Psycogeek

@JourneymanGeek I truely need to stay out of laptop questions. Or get a laptop so i at least have some idea.

Journeyman Geek

lol

ekaj

I know a quick format of a drive can be recovered, but can a fully formatted drive using the Windows formatting utility? I'm pretty sure it can, but someone says otherwise

I know it would take special utilities if possible

Psycogeek

@ekaj It is not supposed to be possible to recover any data after a full format. Take a 1Terra drive, Full format it, is that how long it would take to WIPE every cluster on the drive?

So then the question becomes, when is full , full :-)

ekaj

Basically I was calling a full format the Windows formatting with quick format turned off =p

Journeyman Geek

03:13

@ekaj: post XP a full format is a real full format

IIRC

ekaj

Not recoverable, at all, even with specialized utilities

?

Journeyman Geek

Shouldn't be too hard to test, could you remind me in a few days?

ekaj

I don't wanna take up your time =p

but if you're interested as well, yes, I could remind you

Journeyman Geek

@ekaj: I'd LOVE to try this, I know how to and what to use too ;p

Psycogeek

That which doesnt kill you makes you smarter

ekaj

03:14

I will definitely remind you then =p

Journeyman Geek

just create a VHD, mount and format it, and run the usual tools on it

if I really could be arsed, I might even have a physical hard drive I can test this on

Psycogeek

@JourneymanGeek sure but then wouldnt it just be virtually formatted? :-)

Journeyman Geek

@Psycogeek: I'd assume it would behave similarly to an actual drive

and an imaged drive, from a forensics perspective is the same as a regular drive with the right tools

so, I'd assume a VHD is too

this is one reason I want a few days, I want to wrap up what I'm doing now, and plan a little

ekaj

I have plenty of drives, just no recovery utilities

Psycogeek

I forget, but if i remember right a full format via windows is more interested in checking everything to make sure it is going to work right. we would always write simple zeros to the whole disk to fully clean every cluster.

""2.Beginning in Windows Vista, the format process changed and a single write zero pass is applied to each standard (non-quick) format. In other words, a very basic hard drive wipe is performed during a format.""

ekaj

03:23

So it is recoverable?

Journeyman Geek

er, then no

Psycogeek

@ekaj it is like journeyman geek said, Which OS?

Journeyman Geek

with modern drives, zero passes will kill any chance of recovery

ekaj

I need to read about that.. I don't understand at what point data is not recoverable. I've heard until it's overwritten (with a folder, mp3, gif, whatever) but I thought formatting was basically changing everything to a 1 or 0

7

Journeyman Geek

@ekaj: nope

ekaj

03:25

What is a normal 'quick format' then?

Journeyman Geek

a quick format is basically marking the locations as unused, but not actually overwriting them

I can recover most of the data off a freshly quick formatted drive

on XP, a full format was a quick format + error checking

Psycogeek

@ekaj we used to use a program called "unformat" to instantaly undo a quick format.

ekaj

So basically all of these really expensive HDD recovery utilities can only recover data that has been quick formatted?

Journeyman Geek

... really expensive?

ekaj

or accidently deleted, which would basically be the same

Well I didn't check prices =p but I always thought they were expensive for some reason

Journeyman Geek

03:27

@ekaj: you can get a basic forensics software for free

there's good recovery software available as well

ekaj

Ahh okay

Isn't there a Linux forensics distro that's pretty popular at the moment?

Journeyman Geek

the gold standard for recovery is probably scapel and foremost, both FOSS. ANd never taught in school

out of touch, most forensics classes seem to use encase or prodiscover

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Well, it would destroy at least part of the indexes.

Psycogeek

@ekaj I have used cheap stuff to recover before. I would always keep a tiny program called "restoration" on my drive already (so i would not do writes). it might be a good way to do a simple cluster check in NTFS

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: most low level recovery tools wouldn't bother with it

ekaj

03:29

The software is actually kinda cheap.. maybe it seemed like a lot at the time because I was younger =p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek The ones that rely on detecting magic numbers wouldn't recover everything. It's very dependent on what kind of data you have.

The ones that read (remnants of) indexes tend to be more thorough, assuming it's not too badly damaged.

Journeyman Geek

we use prodiscover basic in school

the full version is about 2K... and o0 needs you to print and fax the order form

@Bob: the good ones look at the raw data and search for file headers

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Yes, magic numbers.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: eh, I got taught it was the other way around

Bob

Magic number (programming)

In computer programming, the term magic number has multiple meanings. It could refer to one or more of the following: * A constant numerical or text value used to identify a file format or protocol; for files, see List of file signatures * Distinctive unique values that are unlikely to be mistaken for other meanings (e.g., Globally Unique Identifiers) * Unique values with unexplained meaning or multiple occurrences which could (preferably) be replaced with named constants Format indicator Magic number origin The format indicator type of magic number was first found in early Sevent...

Journeyman Geek

03:32

that said, I tend to throw multiple tools at problems like that

Bob

@JourneymanGeek It's very dependent on the situation.

Journeyman Geek

yup

and forensics and recovery are very different scenarios, even if tools overlap

Bob

If your goal is to recover common file formats (e.g. photos, videos, audio, documents), then you'll have some luck with the magic number recovery tools.

More esoteric file formats? Those tools are pretty much useless.

The recovery tools that read indexes will always work if the indexes aren't too damaged.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: I'm not actually sure what the proper forensics tool use

;p

Bob

Neither method would definitely work better against intentional deletion.

Journeyman Geek

03:34

@Bob: intentional secure deletion

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Intentional secure deletion, nothing will work if done properly.

Journeyman Geek

We're trained to consider deletion tools, and encryption tools to be suspecious

Bob

Actually, the indexes are the most likely part to retain some record.

Journeyman Geek

(if anyone seized my computer, they'll probably get a headache)

@Bob: or a mix of both ;p

Bob

Secure deletion by overwrite would completely destroy any data, including any headers that could have been used for identification.

Journeyman Geek

03:36

IIRC recurva occationally can find traces of files but not recover them

Bob

The indexes (at least on Windows, NTFS) are a little harder to purge a specific record from.

Of course, if the data is gone, it's not that useful anyway.

Psycogeek

@Bob Pointers to oblivion

If the MFT is available still, it holds tiny files itself (ntfs).

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: other than that proof the file existed

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Ya.

Journeyman Geek

which can be useful as well

Bob

03:38

Though, I believe a rename would actually modify the name in the existing record.

Psycogeek

some of the "wipe" a partition programs while run in the system itself would not touch the MFT, they only zero out the normal data clusters.

ekaj

So if the clusters are overwrote, and you still have the MFT, is there really anything that can be recovered?

overwritten

bleh

Psycogeek

@ekaj a format will "re-write" the MFT, can relocate it , and stuff like that. the MFT holds the pointers to the clusters that hold the data (Wiped and gone). MFT also is used to hold files that are (i think) less than 4K. not sure how that varies based on cluster size? See it is logical to have the whole file be in a MFT , instead of just the pointer , if it would fit there.

TRiG

Better change the URL to 'https' before downloading.

Journeyman Geek

04:01

@TRiG lol

linked before tho ;p

Psycogeek

Correction, 1024 is the size of an entry in the MFT, 42bytes is used. This place calls the tiny files "resident" forensicfocus.com/hidden-data-analysis-ntfs about 1/3rd the way down, in NTFS background.

Most of the information i am reading suggest that a MFT record size is always the same, reguardless of cluster size. with 512byte clusters it takes 2clusters, with larger cluster sizes on the disk, there can be multiple records in each cluster.

somewhere around there my head explodes, and I check my BACKUPS again.

- Using the word Resident, i finnaly get to the wiki location, that decribes the whole thing, and variations, like how different systems handle, how added streams change it, and how it can be varied. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…

. In there it says that <600-800byte files might be the ones that would exist in the MFT "records" itself and not on "other" clusters. That makes sence.

Journeyman Geek

05:06

0

Q: Putting linux on a computer that can't "see" any hardware

I found an old computer with no os and im trying to get it working with Linux (started with fedora 19 then tried all sorts of Linux flavors) but i cant load anything on it because it cant "see" its original dvd drive, wont recognize any new ones, and doesn't have an option for USB booting and not...

Psycogeek

@JourneymanGeek at least he is indicating that it might be able to post? But really we dont even know that.

"Gee i keep sticking a Cd in, but none of the lights turn on" ummm okaaaay.

Journeyman Geek

05:33

@Psycogeek: if there's ANY os in there, you could somehow bootstrap something that could bootstrap something else with a lot of work ;p

totally insufficient information

Boris_yo

06:01

Argh hate hot weather! It's hard to fall asleep when it's hot and you have only fan. Oh yeah, good morning...

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo I pass out well in the heat. Remind me to not sunbath nakid :-)

Psycogeek

06:18

Notice to newbies: Assume we don't know shit about what you are going on about and have been dealing with for 2 days now. Back Up a few steps, and either put up 2 thousand words, or 2 pictures. :-)

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek You are talking about filing user profile?

@Psycogeek Sunbathing is same as tanning?

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo Hey that is what they do in certian forums, they have a high dependacy on the people having all thier specs somewhere permenent. Like in Messes of sigs at the bottom of each post. taking More space than the posts themselves.

Here I do not even look :-O at profiles to begin with. 01Users do not put them up at all.

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek That's user signature often used by promoters?

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo Yes, some places want you to put it in a accessable profile.

By "want you" I mean, the regulars will say "if you would fill out your dang profile, it would help"

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek Spammers use their users profile to promote stuff. They hope moderator will never find out...

@Psycogeek This often happens after users registration on forum...

Psycogeek

06:28

@Boris_yo that is slick. some self promotion is allowed at many sites, as long as it is not spammy.

Usually it is not that hard to tell someone who is having a self promotion there, and who is "getting paid" to do promotion. because if your being paid to do it, your likely to be obnioxious and repetitive, and limited in other informations.

0

Q: what type of error is this?

windows windows-8-preview

then sometimes you cant tell what the heck is going on :-)

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek Self-promotion and paid promotion are different?

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo That is how it is handled at various sites (and different at different sites).

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek Is he kidding or what? Copying part of webpage claiming it to be error and hoping for explanation is not the right way to do it.

@Psycogeek Maybe self-promotion is promotion of your product and services while paid promotion is promotion of someone else stuff?

Psycogeek

If i just put a website in as a Sig, and do something like "this is my website" (or facebook or u-tube channel or whatever) that is rather benign.

Journeyman Geek

@Psycogeek: that is a sure sign to step away from the computer, and ask a teenager to help

@Boris_yo: Simply linking out to another site is bad.

Posting repeated identical answers for a product is bad

Psycogeek

06:43

How quickly that would cross the line if you put a bit of trickery in. mywebsite.com<--- click here to to find out how to solve your problem :-)

Boris_yo

Journeyman Geek

thats a automatic red flag

If you wanted to do it, cleverly, you'd go

"I've documented it on my [site](www.journeymangeek.com) - I've taken out the irrelevant parts - You need to start by enfrobulating the proton flux globulator...."

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek mywebsite.com <----- If you don't visit it, you're idiot. How's that for trickery and temptation?

Journeyman Geek

blah, I cannot seem to get that to work ;p

but you get the idea

Psycogeek

Spammy self-promotion. I am having trouble with my HTML, none of my pictures are working on mywebsite.com , pelase help.

Journeyman Geek

06:46

(disclaimer - that IS my site, but I have no articles on that)

lol

that might actually be a worthy question

Boris_yo

I see question was just deleted with no warnings:

Journeyman Geek

also don't forget

Boris_yo

13 mins ago, by Psycogeek

0

Q: what type of error is this?

windows windows-8-preview

Journeyman Geek

SEO doesn't work on SU

@Boris_yo: oh that wasn't spam

that was just crap

Boris_yo

@JourneymanGeek Usually explanation is given when question is closed. But this was just deleted with no explanation and no way for user to know what was wrong.

Psycogeek

06:49

@Boris_yo nothing to explain, he had 10 minutes to edit :-)

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek So there's a timer now?

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo I do not know. I was not trying to imply any more than any MOD or flagger could see that it was going to be nothing

Journeyman Geek

nice

one of my VPSes had over 500mb of logs

Boris_yo

@JourneymanGeek That's a lot of errors...

Journeyman Geek

naw

this was for a web irc client

so it was logging everything

Psycogeek

06:55

@Boris_yo if its windows that is small :-) even for errors .

Journeyman Geek

lol

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek Maybe I should check log of my W7?

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo you mean all 112 of them?

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Oh yea, everything was nofollowed, wasn't it?

Journeyman Geek

linux

yup

Boris_yo

07:00

@Bob nofollow has its value too.

Bob

Huh?

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek Why 112 exactly?

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo arbitrary approximate number i pulled out of my ass.

Boris_yo

@Bob Natural promotion must also include nofollow links. They make difference.

Bob

I have no idea what you are talking about.

Boris_yo

07:03

@Psycogeek That's to show how many errors there are happening behind the scenes?

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo no just all the logs, for all kinds of things. Have you seen the new layers and layers of possible logging and tracking for win7. Like the new array of event viewer items. (mabey not on the home systems)

If i posted a pic of it here, it would go 2 Pages unexpanded.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: neither does he ;p

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek Oh yeah I saw even graphs, statistics. To much stuff there.

@JourneymanGeek Wrong. I am talking about value of links in SEO. Don't be so condescending.

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo Should be converted from developer speak, back to languages we understand. "you got some error, here is a big number, Could be anything"

Journeyman Geek

@Boris_yo: I'm convinced to a large extent the point of SEO is to convince people they can somehow read chicken entrails and look into a crystal ball in order to game a black box

2

Bob

07:11

@Boris_yo And I'm talking about an attribute that tells search engines to not index the link.

By design, it defeats the entire mechanism of SEO.

Boris_yo

@JourneymanGeek No need to convince. Correct SEO works. It just changes constantly that you need to be aware of current things that work.

Journeyman Geek

@Boris_yo: Its a black box, its a constantly changing black box.

Boris_yo

@Bob nofollow is not noindex

Journeyman Geek

If its a fixed black box, reverse engineering works. Its almost like playing a cardgame where the rules change at random intervals, from blackjack, to poker to uno.

Bob

> nofollow is a value that can be assigned to the rel attribute of an HTML a element to instruct some search engines that a hyperlink should not influence the link target's ranking in the search engine's index.

That's exactly what it's supposed to do.

Boris_yo

07:14

@JourneymanGeek Yes, competitive constantly changing black box where your competitors do negative SEO to you. Such a cruel world.

Journeyman Geek

@Boris_yo: On the other hand, you could create content people want ;p

Boris_yo

@Bob Yes but it still indexes content.

Journeyman Geek

@Boris_yo: but not the weight of the content.

Boris_yo

@JourneymanGeek And be left buried under 500 search results pages editing for someone to discover your website unless you do promotion. You can still hope though...

Journeyman Geek

Maybe I'm just sick and tired of halfwitted attempts to game the system

@Boris_yo: Or you can make great content which people pick up cause its awesome

Boris_yo

07:18

@JourneymanGeek Then make sure you promote it if not by SEO means then through popular websites. Comments, YouTube videos etc.

@JourneymanGeek Weight of the content? What do you mean?

Journeyman Geek

@Boris_yo: I don't have much of an online presence. What I do end up getting is respect for my opinions.

@Boris_yo: in this context pageranking - how influencial places that link to the site are.

Practically I found very few sites I stuck on, long term via a search engine

I found SU from slashdot for example

Boris_yo

@JourneymanGeek Content does NOT influence page rank.

Journeyman Geek

@Boris_yo: You can control content!

Bob

@Boris_yo Of course it does.

Journeyman Geek

And good content is often spread.

Bob

07:26

Better content = more (satisfied) visitors = better rank

Journeyman Geek

and that influences pagerank

Boris_yo

@JourneymanGeek Is digg.com still popular? A guy known as Shoemoney made it to 1st page of digg.com got surge of visits and made over 130k in AdSense revenue.

Journeyman Geek

sigh

and?

Boris_yo

@Bob It wasn't early. Now content depending how engaging it is influences metrics like avg. Time on site, bounce rate etc. Which also determine your ranking but it does not influence page rank algorithm.

Psycogeek

07:40

@Boris_yo sure and now he makes more money selling books :-). Do you know how much he Spent in his own advertising to achieve that goal? Do you know how many wares or illegal sites he might have paid to do sales for him? How much spamming, and possibly even illegal activity he used to do it?

What was his actual profits? A safeway store around here probably pulls in 10million a week, but thier costs probably put the actual ammount back to 10k-50k a week. without all the facts, All we have is the gross, would they like to explain the myriad of expences that might be involved?

take an example, say he was spending only 25K on advertising, spam, e-mail collection, and search manipulation. He pulls in 250K for a few months, increases his spending to 50K. Gets busted by google for not following the TOU, and 2 of his sources of income go down. Now he is making 100K and has 50K of expences. The Fbi comes in and takes out his illegal site, which he moves to russia, at a cost of 25K.

Now he is making 100K and has 75K of costs involved, uses 25K to start a bunch more websites to sell his new book, or e-mail data. The new "you can get rich too" scam pulls in 250K , and he retires :-)

Psycogeek

08:17

The next year, the Warez sites list all the information in his book for free, he now has 75K in costs, and 10K in profits , re-starts up his site again , it is closed down for spam and search manipulation by the host. he now lives in a cardboard box under a bridge, where he parks his Porche. His wife is trying to have it repossesed for child support.

buymystupidebook.com

Shiki

10:31

how am I supposed to connect the front panel jacks if I have 4 cables?

Bob

@Shiki plug them in? :P

Shiki

lemme upload the pic, sec

Bob

if your MB doesn't provide enough headers, you might need to leave some unplugged

Shiki

this is the faudio connector, a stock HD/AC97 one.
And now for the cables...

Bob

o.O

Shiki

10:37

meanwhile: 2013, Kubuntu, 4FPS with an Nvidia card. Surely the year of the Linux gaming, rite guys? :^)

Bob

individual pins?

figure out what type of connector your MB has

HD audio? AC97?

Shiki

Yepp... it says "consult the manufacturer".. I sure want to travel to Foxconn and punch them

Bob

they're different

take a look at the manual

Shiki

It says both.. just have to use different wiring

Psycogeek

Did your board happen to come with the Quick connect items also?

Bob

10:38

hm

Just to note, there's a third kind of connector i came across, labelled azalia - which is a bundle of loose connectors. This apparently seems to be for systems with non standard HD audio implimentations. Adding this as a comment in case someone comes across it. — Journeyman Geek May 22 '12 at 3:36

Shiki

holy android hell.. how am I supposed to screenshot with Touchwiz

Bob

@Shiki home + power

hold home for half a sec and hit/hold power

Shiki

@Psycogeek Nope. It's a cheapass (but damn heavy) Foxconn case

@Bob Wow, neat

Psycogeek

@Shiki I mean the motherboard itself, they often now come with a (geez what to call it) short header thing. You assemble all the loose pins on the header, follwing the manuel, then it is ONE connection point after that, to the board.

Bob

@Shiki at the end... via what?

Shiki

10:41

...via the audio software in chapter 5

Bob

@Shiki Do you only have the five pins?

Nothing else?

Shiki

"Some chassis provide a front panel audio module that has separated connectors on each wire instead of a single plug. For information about connecting... please contact the chassis manufacturer"

Bob

If so, then it looks like a AC97 header (assuming NC means not connected)

Shiki

brb, 5 min, dinner time

@Psycogeek: I can't recall any such connectors... (it only had a few SATA connectors)

Bob

wait

@Shiki Does your front panel have a mic connector?

the pins you're holding don't look like it

Ok

@Shiki This is my guess.

Since I don't see a mic pin, I'm assuming your panel does not have a mic port

The HPOUT L/-L and R/-R seems like two lines per channel

which looks more like HD audio

I'm guessing that HPOUT L goes to LINE2_L (#9) and HPOUT -L goes to GND (#10) (these are known as AUD_FPOUT_L and AUD_RET_L in the Intel guidelines)

And HPOUT R/-R goes to LINE2_R (#5) and GND (#6) (AUD_FPOUT_R and AUD_RET_R in Intel guidelines)

I'm mostly unsure whether the GND/RET ones should be positive or negative (with or without -)

this forum seems to agree with my guess

hiemalis.org/~keiji/PC/… page 20

Pin Signal Name Description
1 AUD_MIC Front Panel Microphone input signal
2 AUD_GND Ground used by Analog Audio Circuits
3 AUD_MIC_BIAS Microphone Power
4 AUD_VCC Filtered +5 V used by Analog Audio Circuits
5 AUD_FPOUT_R Right Channel Audio signal to Front Panel
6 AUD_RET_R Right Channel Audio signal Return from Front Panel
7 HP_ON RSVD for future use to control Headphone Amplifier
8 KEY No Pin
9 AUD_FPOUT_L Left Channel Audio signal to Front Panel
10 AUD_RET_L Left Channel Audio signal Return from Front Panel

the weird part is this doesn't entirely agree with your MB diagram

especially #3 seems to be closer to your MB's AC97 rather than HD audio

but this is supposed ot be the official Intel spec for HD audio... (albiet the spec was 2000, so there may be an updated version)

Shiki

10:54

Alright

The motherboard is still got warranty, and the chassis is old anyway

Bob

lol

Shiki

lemme cap the text and start pluggin'

Bob

good luck!

might want to see if @JourneymanGeek has any input

as the resident hardware hacker :P

Shiki

I'll give it a try and if it does not work, I'll wait for him

Bob

@Shiki might be worth taking a look at this: forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/718821

they mention foxconn cases and switching to AC97 mode

Shiki

10:56

(but holy hell I removed my ATI card in order to get a better view on the motherboard (as it's a huge card)... the new card is made by Nvidia and I booted up my spare Linux. Damn, 5 FPS/lagging all the time/the card is on fire. Neat.)

Psycogeek

I would set the L&r outputs in place and test :-) Remember the Bios can have a switch for the audio to be different too. AC or HD

Shiki

I only remember seeing an option in the Realtek app

Bob

@Psycogeek apparently it's a software/driver thing now

not even a bios setting o.O

Shiki

nope, just the button in the Realtek HD application

Bob

rm.com/support/technicalarticle.asp?cref=tec1173066&nav=0

weird.

@Shiki yea, same here

Shiki

10:58

yeah, that's it

Bob

though my case seems to be HD Audio, so it works fine

it's a newish case

Shiki

I used this on my gf's computer as well, but at least that chassis had the proper wires (for AC)

Bob

HD Audio is old now

AC97 is even older

Shiki

I would buy that black case with the cable hider thingie...
if I would need to buy one now, that is

Bob

also, your RAM looks awesome :P

Shiki

10:59

Cooler Master IIRC

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