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Psycogeek

12:00

on these boxes here there really isnt a sticker for that, it is only on the drive itself. they are Goflex type chunks

Journeyman Geek

Its one of those "think before you pick up the screwdriver" things

Psycogeek

@JourneymanGeek What i am saying is. i pull the raw drive OUT, they dont know what it was in.

and the warrenty (at least 2 times) was based on the raw drives Date, not my reciept for a external box.

Journeyman Geek

ahh

I guess

assuming its a drive a enclosure too ;p

WD 2.5 inch drivers have the USB controller built in too

Psycogeek

and heck none of them will send you a NEW drive, they send ya another one that sombody else sent in, and they tested and found it to be 100%

Journeyman Geek

yup

familar with it

I had one of the 7200.11s

Psycogeek

12:04

so i have never concidered that they . . . gave a chit :-)

Journeyman Geek

they had bad firmware so my guess is they just got the broken ones, flashed the new firmware, wiped and sent them out

Psycogeek

@JourneymanGeek i wonder also if they might be tossing new controller boards on (for those situations) and sending them back too

reset the smart data, so no reallocated secors show up , and its all set :-)

Journeyman Geek

yup

Psycogeek

so returning a drive under warrenty is a 2 step process. to them and back, then off to e-bay :-)

Journeyman Geek

lol

I think I had a refurb drive last ~3 years before dying

Gowtham

13:29

Windows SDK is huge :O

Journeyman Geek

13:48

ugh

nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2013/01/17/…

my dad got one of these.

Should have gotten a copy for shits and giggles before baleeting it ;)

Psycogeek

Curiosity kills the cat, and the dog, and even the top of the food chain :-)

One of my users , knows like 100 times over, to execute all attachments with the big axe. But nooo, there they go again , DUHHH , i just gotta see, this looks . . . . I will KEEL you!

Journeyman Geek

I got my users trained well

Psycogeek

I had the thing shut down before, no exes, no Zips could even open. in outlook express, i forget how to do that. but i better get on it.

Ohh lookie, a "secure message" it must be from my lawyer. Ya he is going to sue you for being STUPID

gee what gave you that clue A) it was in your spam e-mail, not your secure E-mail B) it was from somebody you dont even know C) it has an attachment D)umass

I will send this to them veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/trojanhorse_a.jpg set it up as wallpaper

Boris_yo

14:11

@Psycogeek That was malware email you got claiming to be from lawyer?

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo look at Journeyman Geeks link up there. fresh new fun

Boris_yo

@JourneymanGeek You have users that you help with PC?

It takes me 3 seconds to identify malware email without opening it.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek time for some more food dye!

I have here: one sealable test tube, one bottle each of blue, red, black and rosewater, one new smiggle pen and one new converter

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo but if you delete it , you will never know what is in it . somehow trojans and viruses never have that "lets look in the box marked live snakes" appeal to me.

Bob

let's try... mauve. it's on the back of the food dye bottle. 1/3 red, 2/3 blue.

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

14:26

Is it possible to setup raid without data loss?

Bob

@William'MindWorX'Mariager what do you mean?

do you want to set up raid with existign data?

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

I'm trying to add a disk to my Lacie 5big without having to reformat the existing disks.

Bob

ah. you want to expand the size?

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

... Is that clippy?!

2

Bob

XD

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

14:28

@Bob Yeah, expand the size.

Bob

hm

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

My selection is Raid0 and Raid5. I don't need the extra safety so I just need Raid0

Bob

I'm not sure if it's possible, but I'd certainly not recommend doing so without backup.

I don't think RAID0 can be expanded without a full rebuild.

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Thing is, I don't have spare disks to store the data temporarily. :P

Bob

Actually, RAID1 might be the only type that can be expanded

@William'MindWorX'Mariager Consider that in RAID0, 1/N of your data is on each disk, in alternating stripes. RAID5 is more complex, but it also distributes the data.

How do you expect to add a new disk? You'd have to redistribute all existing data.

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

14:32

True

Bob

some controller somewhere might implement that

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

I just figured the raid controller might've been able to do that. So add the extra disk and then it'll fix the data.

Bob

Not sure about the LaCie

Journeyman Geek

@Boris_yo naw, those are phone calls. I try to see how long I can fuck with them before they hang up

Bob

@William'MindWorX'Mariager Might be better to contact the controller manufacturer.

They'd have a better idea.

> In cases where a hard drive has failed or you wish to expand storage capacity, data will be lost when replacing/swapping hard disks.

manuals.lacie.com/en/manuals/2big-5big-nas/dashboard/raid2big

Though, not sure about adding disks...

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

14:35

Well the guide is telling me all data will be lost.

Bob

Hm.

@William'MindWorX'Mariager You may be in luck!

manuals.lacie.com/en/manuals/2big-5big-nas/dashboard/raid5big, see the Expand your RAID array Hard Disk Capacity section, specifically the Manual part (click the link)

Journeyman Geek

@William'MindWorX'Mariager: backup and try it? ;p

Bob

> For instructions on how to expand your protected RAID array once you have added a new hard disk to an available or empty drive slot, please see RAID Setup Wizard. Select the Manual+Spare link and you will have the option to use the new disk as a Spare or to add the storage to the array. Please make certain to select the radio button for your RAID array under the heading Without data loss (Step 6).

@JourneymanGeek He likes to live dangerously :P

I have a lovely shade of mauve here :D

Journeyman Geek

eh which reminds me, I need to do a disk migration on the shared box

@Bob: mauve and lovely, same sentance? ;p

Bob

lol

holy shit that rosewater has a strong smell

not too sure about adding that...

(also, rather ironic that I'm doing this with a smiggle pen. living up to their floweriness! :P)

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

14:40

@Bob, From the manual, it seems only the new harddisk that's added gets formatted.

Which is fine by me.

Please note that data stored on the new disk will be deleted.

I'll give it a try with the first disk and see if the test data is removed.

Journeyman Geek

lol

Bob

good luck

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: add sparingly? ;p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek 20 drops added to 3ml of red-blue ink :P

about 60 drops per mL

going to eyedropper this converter (the test tube is too narrow and deep for the pen)

Journeyman Geek

eyedropper or syringe? ;p

or pippette?

I've done it with carts, works pretty well

Bob

14:48

@JourneymanGeek syringe

pipettes havne't arrived yet

I find the converter works better in the pen

brand new pen :P

I wish I had some kind of bonding agent

Journeyman Geek

smiggle? ;p

hmm

XD

Bob

ya

Journeyman Geek

The daiso at ion has like...

4-5 different types of super glue ;p

Bob

...

I mean, to bond the ink to the paper.

Not to the pen.

Journeyman Geek

OH

Bob

14:50

XD

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

What is it you're doing Bob?

Psycogeek

@William'MindWorX'Mariager i would say dont do it. every method they have to slop raid together, and patch a chunk on the side , and expand this and that, add levels of unnessisary complexity, that only ever end in severe trajedy :-)

Journeyman Geek

Never heard of that

@William'MindWorX'Mariager: I sort of got him hooked on fountain pens

and he's involved in some mad, inky, science.

Bob

@William'MindWorX'Mariager experimenting with food dye as cheap fountain pen ink in cheap fountain pens

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

@Psycogeek Seems like a bit of a hassle though that I can't do it. It's a 5 disk raid system that supports up to 15TB when filled with 5x3TB disks. Right now I only have a couple of TB but imagine having to backup 12TB to add the final 3TB disk.

And expand option of some kinda would be nice.

Anyhow, it seems if I go with Raid1 I should be able to expand. It'll synchronize the disks after adding a larger disk to the raid.

Psycogeek

14:56

@William'MindWorX'Mariager well something can go wrong with anything. I just read about so many collapsing raid systems where the disk is blamed as failing, and i dont think the disks themselves fail that often. unless they got a 200Lb dog scratching his butt on thier box

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Hehe

Bob

@JourneymanGeek successful fil

turns out you are supposed to flood the feed area

Journeyman Geek

lol

Bob

gives me almost an extra converter's worth of space :P

Journeyman Geek

did I say yoy weren't? ;p

Bob

14:58

converter holds about half a mL

Journeyman Geek

well, using the converter 'normally' would do that

Bob

@JourneymanGeek ya

Journeyman Geek

oops ;p

Psycogeek

@William'MindWorX'Mariager My friend had a drobo, best thing in the world (cough cough) he configures it up weird, as if that is even possible on that. a few years later, he has replaced 6 of the disks, and there are only 4 IN the thing. (once he changed 2, he had a mismatch issue)

Bob

the irony

half the smiggle pens and pencils (and erasers) are scented

now i have scented FP ink in here

Journeyman Geek

14:59

lol

Bob

though it smells pretty crap

Journeyman Geek

XD

Bob

hm. not bad at all

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

@Psycogeek Ouch. :|

Bob

might add a dab of black

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

15:00

Right now I just have a few spare disks lying around I'm adding. But I'm planning on adding LaCie's own 3TB disks to be sure it all works as it should.

Bob

oh yea

blue stains human skin

apparently red stains plastic

Psycogeek

@William'MindWorX'Mariager At the same time i have had locked down, teamed up Raid0 (the most insecure) 4 wide in 2 computers and no error (yet)

Bob

that pen (and converter) might be permanently stained from this :P

Journeyman Geek

stain all the things!

Bob

@Psycogeek hope you have good backups

Journeyman Geek

15:01

This was a cheap converter I hope?

Bob

@JourneymanGeek rather ironic that black is the only major non-stainer :P

@JourneymanGeek ya. all of 40c

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Yeah I've used Raid0 on my previous computer for years without any problems. :)

Bob

hey, it works well enough

I'd use one in the Lamy if it fit

Psycogeek

@Bob i have been doing raid0 for 20 years, havent had a real problem, but i do have non-raid backups.

but again, i dont do crasy stuff

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: yeah

I haven't tried one of my standard carts in the lamy yet >_>

Bob

15:04

@Psycogeek RAID0 across four disks is crazy

Psycogeek

@Bob its teams of 2, 4 times i splained it before to you?

Bob

@Psycogeek ah, sorry

must've slipped my mind

Psycogeek

seperate controllers, so from to copying is as fast as poissible, channel seperated so teams are on seperate controllers.

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek don't need to know what is in malicious email. Title and subject line alone tell me everything I need to know.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek

Journeyman Geek

15:07

eh

thats not half bad

not mauve tho

lol

My hello kitty shampoo bottles are AWESOME for ink storage

right until my niece sees em

Bob

@JourneymanGeek well, according to the instructions on the FD bottles :P

Psycogeek

@Bob first one that looks really good, or your penmanship is improved

Bob

I'm more than slightly colourblind :P

well, I can see different colours. I absolutely suck at linking vision to colour names, though

@Psycogeek My penmanship sucks.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: mauve appears to be a sort of ~~grey~~ pink. This seems closer to ~~dark grey~~ blue

Bob

lol

Boris_yo

15:09

I have a good bull sheet detector.

Bob

funny thing is, the red DD recomments 2drops blue, 1drop red

Journeyman Geek

Mauve

Mauve (from the French form of Malva "mallow") is a pale lavender-lilac color, one of many in the range of purples. Mauve is named after the mallow flower. Another name for the color is mallow with the first recorded use of mallow as a color name in English in 1611. Mauve is more grey and more blue than a pale tint of magenta would be. Many pale wildflowers called "blue" are actually mauve. Sometimes mauve can be considered a purplish pink or a pale purple. Mauve can also be described as pale violet. Mauveine, the first aniline dye Mauve was first named in 1856. Chemist Sir Willia...

Bob

the blue one recommends 2drops blue, 1drop pink

I didn't buy the pink food dye

Journeyman Geek

I suspect reversing the colours makes sense

Bob

Yea. The FPN post with the same dyes used the reversed ratio for mauve.

Journeyman Geek

15:11

and is it just me or is the paper kinda blue tinted around where you wrote?

Bob

fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php/topic/…

that one

@JourneymanGeek it is?

I can't tell on the paper itself.

Don't have anything to magnify with, though.

Hennes

@William'MindWorX'Mariager uhm. RAID expansion usually takes ages. Making a backup (assuming you have the space, but you do want a backup anyway in case things go wrong) might be a dozen times faster.

Bob

Still, it's a nice colour :P

Hennes

Mauve? That is the colour of danger! (Well, except to Earthlings who use red)

Journeyman Geek

looks it to me

least on the photo

Bob

15:14

@JourneymanGeek yea, I can see a slight bit of blue around the purple (is that the right name? :P)

Journeyman Geek

lets say the bottom colour ;p

Bob

lol

Journeyman Geek

I'd call it a very dark blue

Bob

definitely a purplish tinge on the paper. I think.

Darth Android

@Hennes Why would resilvering a RAID array be slower than backing up the data, and then rewriting it? That's what you're doing in the first place.

Bob

15:16

@DarthAndroid cause raid rebuilding sucks

Hennes

Because you are moving and recalculating a lot.

Bob

(also, thrashing? maybe.)

Darth Android

@Bob @Hennes You're moving and recalculating just as much to copy it off and copy it back, though.

Hennes

Say you have a 3 disk RAID 5. With 3 sectors writting
Disk 1 A C
Disk 2 A B
Disk 3 C B

If you add a fourth disk it should move to this:

Bob

@DarthAndroid RAID rebuilding till sucks

I would know.

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Darth Android

It's still faster, because the disks don't thrash

Hennes

Disk 1 A
Disk 2 A B
Disk 3 C B
Disk 4 C

Darth Android

They can rebuild as large sequential data streams

Psycogeek

@Bob amen to that , 2 days to do a rebuild with a raid5, And i have heard of people having that occur 2-3 times a Year.

Bob

@DarthAndroid you'd need either a very large buffer or.. ya.

Darth Android

15:19

@Bob You'd need N * sectorsize memory

for for a 4-disk array with 512Kb sectors, you'd need 2MB

Hennes

When RAID 5 fails you just make sure you do an incremental backup since yesterday incremental/full. Then at 5PM replace the disk, wipe and recreate the array and restore from backup.

Bob

that's not "large" data streams

Darth Android

No, that's minimum required.

It's still going to be slower to copy the data off and copy it back, though.

Hennes

Practical experience with RAID5 rebuilding:
1) SLOW
2) Stresses the remaining disks
3) Nobody seems to present an 'undo/cancel' option, or a decent estimate of time before it starts

Darth Android

And I've had practical experience with both rebuilding and relocating an 8TB RAID5

Bob

15:21

@DarthAndroid remember, when you copy it off and on you can do it in clean operations

when you try adding a new disk, you have to move data around on the same disks

that causes thrashing

Hennes

nods.

IN my example, data 'C'

But on a full RAID5 array that would be a lot more then just one 'letter'

Darth Android

Perhaps, but memory can easily mitigate that.

Bob

and we go back to buffer sizes.

with enough memory, you're effectively copying all that data off and on again... just using that memory as the temporary location, instead of more disks

Hennes

oh, memory can help. But you still do read and writes to the ame disk. A lot of them. That is never going to be fast on spinning disks

Bob

with all the shuffling, very little (if any) data will stay in the same location

Darth Android

15:25

@Hennes Seeking the head every 10s or so isn't going to cause major thrashing.

Psycogeek

Backups are better than duplicate info on 2 disks, if something goes wrong with the data, it is wrong twice. that kind of redundancy only works for drive failures.

Darth Android

@Bob Copying off+back on nothing will stay in the same location

Bob

@DarthAndroid are you really nitpicking that?

seriously?

that's far too pedantic, even for me.

Hennes

No, not if it is every 10 seconds. but 10 second of data is about 4GiB? That is a large buffer which might not get used.

Psycogeek

If you SYnc to backups, and the data was horribly different on the compare cycle, you can stop from destroying your backup

Hennes

15:26

(4GB as an estimate based on the read speed I get from four elder 1Tb SATA drives)

Bob

also, last I checked, (semi-)random reads are much slower than sequential. if you're skipping blocks, that's not really sequential. it you're not skipping blocks, you're moving all the data anyway.

Hennes

nods at bon.

Darth Android

@Hennes (4GB is about right)

And Sorry, my intention wasn't to be pendantic, but your earlier comment made it seem like copying off+backon would not be shuffling the data.

(Otherwise, I didn't see the point of the comment)

Hennes

Psycogee: RAIDs goal is usaully just to keep the server up and running till repairs can be done. Exception: Striping (e.g. on a gaming desktop) or IOps (and then you should use an SSD, fusion IO cards or similar)

Bob

NCQ might mitigate that to a certain extent. I'm not sure how much.

studiohack

15:28

hey guys.

Hennes

Hi Studio

Darth Android

@Psycogeek Yeah, backups are offsite and don't rely on raid at all :) Raid is just for high-availability and the hope that I might not have to use backups.

studiohack

hey @OliverSalzburg - contgrats on the modship anniversary! :D

Darth Android

OOooh, we have a new mod?

Psycogeek

@Hennes yup, servers perfect for raid1 , but were at superuser :-)

Bob

15:30

where memory might be faster is if you're effectively using them in the same way you'd use extra disks, if your external disks happen to be slower than the array :P

studiohack

@DarthAndroid no, @OliverSalzburg has been a mod for 365 days

Darth Android

@studiohack ;) That's the joke :P

studiohack

@DarthAndroid sorry, missed it then. :P

Bob

@DarthAndroid I really need to get some form of offsite backup going :(

Darth Android

@studiohack Eh, chat doesn't carry my teasing tone quite as well.

@Bob I highly recommend CrashPlan

studiohack

15:31

@DarthAndroid too bad. I love to tease haha

Bob

I have literally >5 TB of data

on a 1Mbps upstream

studiohack

@Bob oh wow

ALL my data doesn't add up to close 1 TB yet. Not even 500 GB yet. and already a pain to manage.

Bob

miscounted a bit. whoops.

Darth Android

@Bob CrashPlan doesn't care. I'm about to push 5TB over a 5Mbps line, and my parents' computers just finished pushing ~1TB up over a 3Mbps line

Unlimited space, and I can roll everything back in 15 minute increments for the past month.

Bob

@DarthAndroid but i care

I believe I calculated ten years upload time, at one point...

Darth Android

15:32

@Bob Best get started then!

Bob

1Mbps is my theoretical max

achievable max is somewhat lower

Darth Android

And it'll actually be slightly better with their compression + datadedup

Bob

lower still if I want usable internet in that time

Hennes

May I suggest a truck full of tapes?

Bob

Ah, two years. Still pretty crap.

@Hennes Considered their HDD mail service.

Rejected it.

Hennes

15:33

Or slightly more practical, copy all data to an external drive. Walk to a freinds house and upload at 100 or 1000mbit

Bob

@Hennes Heh. If only.

don't forget data caps

Hennes

/me is sad. I no longer have unlimited GB traffic to my server.

Bob

I haven to heard of 100Mbit here without caps

Darth Android

@Bob Most of my 5TB is easily re-ripped media though, so I had CrashPlan only back up actual data first, and only once that was done did I tell it to back up /data/media

Hennes

Oh, eben get 100/100 unlimited at home. Not that rare in NL

Darth Android

15:35

I can't wait for 1Gbps/1Gbps uncapped here

Bob

@DarthAndroid yea, most of my data isn't backed up at all

Hennes

Densily populated country -> lots of competition -> good networks.

Bob

most is only mildly annoying to lose

important data is backed up (incremental daily, new per week). might go buy an external hdd, back up monthly, and leave with a friend

Hennes

Do your parents use a computer?

Bob

me?

Hennes

15:36

I trade backups disks with mine. Their backup and my place. My backup at their place

Bob

ahh

hrm.

Darth Android

My parent's are configured to back up to CrashPlan's cloud and my data server with 15-minute incrementals.

I just back up to CrashPlan's cloud since I can pull down data fast enough if something terrible happens that I require off-site restores.

Psycogeek

@Hennes uhh how do i use a SSD for 12 terrabytes. And why do people herass about Raid0, then recommend SSD? SSd is mega raid0, all them flash chunks are not fast, they are tied together with a raid controller in there?

Journeyman Geek

lol

lots of SSDS!

Darth Android

@Psycogeek SSD as a cache for 12TB

Psycogeek

15:43

@DarthAndroid but they showed only a ~25% increase in speed with the intel cache system right? uhh but my raid0 is 76% faster than the raw disk they compared to?

Darth Android

@Psycogeek Not sure, but based on my personal tests, 32GB of cache can hold 97.5% of all disk requests that my system makes to the HDD in a 5-day period

Bob

yup

SSD caches are very efficient

Darth Android

64GB of cache is plenty to accelerate anything I do often.

Bob

I'll say it again: the computer knows far better than you which files are accessed most.

Psycogeek

and caches are only usefull if its the same stuff over and again which would be the system, not the media?

Darth Android

15:46

@Psycogeek Yup! But I don't need media to be fast. Playback is slow.

Psycogeek

unless people are watching star wars 15 times in a row :-)

Bob

The pitfalls with SSD caches are when you need heavy writing or just high throughput in general.

Darth Android

It's awesome, because it knows to cache EXCEL.exe, but not Excel.hlp, etc.

Bob

But fast random access (that's done often)? They do pretty well there.

Psycogeek

@DarthAndroid But if you have to transfer and organise it, its some of the slowest

Bob

15:47

@DarthAndroid I imagine it could even cache only specific blocks of larger files...

Darth Android

@Psycogeek This is why my media sits on a RAID array that operates in excess of 400MB/s

@Bob That's what I like about OSX's fusion drive and Intel's RST. They operate on block level

And ZFS's L2ARC

If you don't have an Intel setup, look at FancyCache

Hennes

for IOps I recommend SSD. No moving parts. That they so something similar to RAID over flash chips is inconsequential. Just that they allow massive IOps

Darth Android

though sadly that's not persistent through reboots.

Hennes

@DarthAndroid ZFS! ARC! :)

Darth Android

ZFS is amazing, just wish rollbacks were non-destructive.

Hennes

15:49

@DarthAndroid Re excel. Sometimes it knows even less. E.g the seagate hybrid cache a sector. It does not know which program or what data it belongs to. Just that is asked for a lot.

Darth Android

@Hennes That's how the intel RST works I believe. Doesn't care what it's used for.

Psycogeek

SSD is perfect for lapdrop computers

Hennes

I just bough a big SSD (Intel postville G2 76GiB) and put everything except movies and games on it.

Darth Android

@Psycogeek I think you mis-- Oh. ah. I see what you did there.

Psycogeek

@DarthAndroid lol

Bob

15:51

twitter.com/search?q=defiantly&src=typd

Psycogeek

hows this: 5 myths about SSD 1) SSD is not digital, it is analog. MLC memory the gates are partly charged, and interpreted. because its art not science, they only could figure to have 4 charge levels and interpret about what the level of charge is.

Only SLC memory cells are fully on fully off type

2) SSD is not randomly accessed, unless it is made up of ram, Flash chips are block accessed

3) SSD do slow down as they get fuller, just because they have to start clearing pages, they speedily ignore like the laundry you didnt get done , garbage collection and whatever.

4) SSDs have a very low failure rate, only 2X hard drives

5) the operations of the controller chip and flash modules are so fast . . . It still has to have DRAM as a cache

Course the only one that bugs me, is when they crack them open and all they are is Dropped into a aluminum case, When the bloodly hot controller chip that seems to be part of lots of the fails, could have been heat synced to the case. instead it s just slopped together

Darth Android

16:18

@Psycogeek 1) As long as it still has discrete states, it's still digital.
2) Not sure what you're saying here. Usually when people talk about SSDs and random access, it's that SSDs generally don't have much of a penalty for random access, compared to HHDs

Psycogeek

@DarthAndroid and seek time, its just not classed as random accessed

If the states were "discrete" like your saying, they could have 128 of them.

Hennes

5) is wrong. Some SSD controllers use DRAM, usually to hold lookup tables. Not as cache

Gowtham

lol

boingboing.net/2013/07/24/technologically-illiterate-mp.html

Psycogeek

@Hennes its right there in the wiki. and in a lot of the specs ""The PCB also contains a Hynix 64MB DRAM cache along with six transistors that provide for Intel’s ‘power safe write cache’""

Hennes

Where? Intel SLC SSD ? 2-3 yrs old ?

Psycogeek

16:31

If i find it in a samsung from 2012 you be happy? Of course, the NAND dies aren't the only memory chips onboard the 840 Series. The drive features DRAM cache memory used primarily to store lookup tables. This low-power DDR2 cache also serves as a landing pad for some incoming host writes. The 120GB model has a 256MB cache, while the higher-capacity flavors sport 512MB.

Canadian Luke

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Gowtham

@CanadianLuke I love the way ms deals with it

IE 11 is not bad tbh

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(reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/1j0osz/…)

Boris_yo

@CanadianLuke So why Internet Explorer does anti-campaign on itself?

Gowtham

@Boris_yo Watch the video completely ;p

Bob

@Gowtham broken => working

huh?

@JourneymanGeek whoops forgot to link it

Gowtham

16:48

@Bob food dye ?

Bob

@Gowtham fountain pen

@JourneymanGeek my mass of nib tweaks seem to have made the blue one wider and flow better, but scratch on the paper a bit more

Gowtham

Ah, didn't know food dyes were sold as liquid eatingitreal.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/…

Bob

@Gowtham fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php/topic/…

funnily enough, I'm using the exact same brand and bottles

@JourneymanGeek the yellow would actually go quite well with one of those preppy highlighters

Gowtham

@Bob coluors are awesome, the ones in cartridges(pelikan/schneider) are not vivid enough

Bob

> The scan doesn't show it very well, but the mauve mix is actually very, very dark purple (not black) and the red+blue mix really is a blue-black.

Hrm.

@Gowtham unfortunately, it washes off easily

unsure about UV fade

Gowtham

16:55

@Bob :(

Bob

considering mixing in some Noodler's Bulletproof if I can get my hands on some

would add some permanence

Gowtham

hmm avast uses quite a lot of cpu

Boris_yo

@Gowtham How many cores?

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