Root Access

Ave

12:06 AM

I'm taking recommendations for decent cloud servers under 25eur/usd per mo.

bwDraco

@Ave Linode.

Ave

a 600 user service is shutting down and may advertise us soo

GDPR

@Ave what sort of specs are you looking for, and do you want bare metal (which is possible), VM, or container?

Ave

preferably baremetal but all is fine

bwDraco

Bare metal is a bit harder to find at this point, but they do exist. However, you'll probably wind up with a system with a slower processor per core (most likely an Atom or a very old Xeon).

GDPR

12:08 AM

I got two servers (one even heavier discounted than the other) from Delimiter before their legacy server sale expired. Both same specs roughly -
2 x Xeon L5630 (Westmere, a.k.a. Nehalem die shrink - has VT-x and EPT and DDR3)
2 x 500 GB 5400 RPM HDD
24 GB DDR3

price: $200/year US for one, $350/year US for the other

haven't seen anything else quite like it on the market but Delimiter's support is awful

$200/yr is $16.67 US / mo, $350/yr is $29.17 US / mo

bwDraco

Do you need resizeability or other cloud features?

Journeyman Geek

@Ave if you're not super picky over features...

bwDraco

Cloud gives you more flexibility but you'd have to pay a bit more for it.

Journeyman Geek

online.net/en/server-dedicated/start-2-m-ssd is what I use

Ave

@bwDraco would be better yeah

bc storage needs to go up

Journeyman Geek

12:09 AM

no ILO style thing so you're stuck with their OS choices

GDPR

you generally get WAY worse specs for your money with virtualization based cloud

Ave

GDPR

containers are okay usually

bwDraco

Bare metal gives you better hardware and predictable performance (because it isn't shared) but upgrading and scaling up will be harder.

Journeyman Geek

errrrr online.net/en/server-dedicated/start-2-m-sata

GDPR

12:10 AM

on Azure you can get approximately nothing for $25 US/month

on AWS you might be able to swing a spot instance with 1 GB of RAM for that

Ave

@JourneymanGeek "victim of its success"

@GDPR lol yup

I'll never move to azure or aws

Journeyman Geek

@Ave online's stock tends to be sold out fast

bwDraco

Linode gives you 4 GB of RAM, two processor cores, and 80 GB of storage at $20/month.

Ave

yes ik i have a seedbox on start-2-s-sata

GDPR

OVH somehow manages to keep stock except for kimsufi/soyoustart despite being great value

Ave

12:12 AM

@bwDraco this is our current machine

it's baremetal

Journeyman Geek

pity I can't transfer systems

Ave

let's up the budget to 35

Journeyman Geek

I have an older model with SATA I haven't gotten around to cancelling

GDPR

@bwDraco I suppose that's better than "server has been down for 2 weeks and they won't tell me why" at $16.67/month, even if my specs are (in theory) 24 GB of RAM instead of 4 and 8 CPU cores instead of 2

bwDraco

(there was an upgrade about a month ago which expanded storage substantially)

GDPR

12:13 AM

@Ave kimsufi.com/us/en/servers.xml

> KS-12 Intel Xeon W3520 4c/8t 2.66GHz 32GB DDR3 ECC 1333 MHz SoftRaid 2TB 100 Mbps /128 $29.99

Journeyman Geek

@GDPR depends on what you run ;p

bwDraco

At $35, bare metal starts to get more attractive.

Again, do you need the ability to quickly (within minutes) expand the system's capabilities?

GDPR

an old Xeon W is probably not awesome for game servers but I'm sure it'd do great on web workloads with 32 gigs of RAM

OMG BOB I GOT THE ELECTRICAL CONNECTOR :D :D :D

> Dear Customer,

Please note that our technical teams will intervene on your server <redacted> in 15 minutes in order to carry out the following intervention:

Electric connector

Ave

@GDPR okay this is really interesting

Journeyman Geek

0_0

Ave

12:18 AM

@GDPR it's not a game server, it's a filehost

bwDraco

This sounds like the sort of thing where cloud-based scalable block storage makes sense.

GDPR

@Ave kimsufi and soyoustart both use OVH's infrastructure, they're just different offerings from the same parent company... still really good balance between service and price though

I've had about two dozen different people on WebHostingTalk, even Presidents/CEOs of other hosting companies, tell me to stick with OVH based on my needs of "most bang for your $$$"

Ave

How stable is OVH

and would you recommend FR or CA?

GDPR

@Ave extremely... they've had very rare outages from things like fiber cuts but that's not even every month, that's like, once every few years unless an apocalypse happens

my server is basically always up other than that one incident

over years

@Ave depends - ping it and see which one you like better - both are good, you do get local support techs, CA ones tend to speak better English than the ones from FR

ze ones from FR tende to write en frenglish

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Ave

hm

oki

GDPR

12:28 AM

the only differences between their "Enterprise" line (really their premiere line) and Kimsufi/SoYouStart are -
1. some Kimsufi/SYS servers don't have IPMI or KVM over IP without paying a *hideous* amount per month to get one connected to the server
2. Enterprise servers all come with the ability to spend money on a *one-time* purchase of a fairly large IPv4 block, not sure what the biggest one is but I have two /27s - no recurring monthly cost and the up-front isn't too bad. Other servers allow you to buy IPs but the cost is ongoing

other than that, they're all hosted in the same DCs with the same basic stability and such

Bob

12:44 AM

@GDPR and they always automatically credit you if they go over their SLA from a major incident

I think I've had 3 incidents which translated to 3 months credit

@GDPR $25/month on Azure gives you IIRC 768 MB RAM on like 0.5 CPU units (practically, one shared core of a decent Xeon currently, which is fine. it used to be some old Opteron, which was not fine.)

So basically the AWS tiny

Journeyman Geek

facebook.com/JungleVT/videos/2555670174574809

@Bob so going down is a good thing? ;p

Bob

@GDPR I'm not sure how much of a statement about Delimiter support you can make from that.

It could be that it's always awful.

Or it could be that they have like one guy supporting all the Westmere cheapo servers.

Because it'd cost them more than they'd earn to pay the salary of two techs :P

@JourneymanGeek Sure, I didn't reaaaaally need the 100% uptime so like 3x 6-8h down over 3-4 years for ~$250 credit works out for me :P

Journeyman Geek

lol

Bob

though it did end up confusing/annoying when it was down

Journeyman Geek

funny thing is?

I probably wouldn't care if my public websites went down

ttrss and synapse not working though....

GDPR

12:53 AM

@JourneymanGeek we should all have backup accounts on eachothers' homeservers :P

quixbak@bobs-server.au

quixbak@geeks-server.sg

bob@roota.cc

ADHD Cat

And replicate them all across at least two sites?

AKA basically... cloud

GDPR

@ADHDCat I don't think Matrix currently supports user account replication at all

user accounts exist within Matrix's DB (sqlite or postgres are the two big supported ones) for the homeserver you login to

Bob

1:17 AM

> Customers like this scare me.

(The customer liaison never revealed the name of the customer, but I did learn that they develop anti-malware software. So now I'm even more scared. ...)

blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20180615-00/?p=99025

Journeyman Geek

In theory you can hot replicate postgres

GDPR

> Code in italics is wrong. ...
(proceeds to italicize *the entire program*)

Bob

@GDPR :D

Journeyman Geek

2:22 AM

"Everything you have just written is wrong"

ADHD Cat

m

Journeyman Geek

2:42 AM

engadget.com/2018/06/17/…

._.

Bob

2:59 AM

@JourneymanGeek violent and clueless, what a combination

Journeyman Geek

quite

Michael Frank

3:26 AM

Wait... armed web domain robbery?

Journeyman Geek

Yup!

Michael Frank

whois guard ftw?

Bob

3

Q: I removed 2; 3way electrical switches they don’t work now

The first picture is the switch that is wired to electrical panel

wiring

In my experience, electrical switches never work after you remove them. Did you remove and put them back? Did you replace them with new switches? Please describe what you did or else you are going to get useless answers based on wild guesses. — A. I. Breveleri 9 hours ago

I removed 2 taps from my bathroom sink and now I can't wash my hands. — immibis 1 hour ago

Journeyman Geek

@MichaelFrank this is not a situation I considered

I was more worried about angry users swatting me or sending me lots of pizza

> This makes 3-ways a lot easier to deal with.

Bob

1

Q: If you are incapacitated, can you move?

The incapacitated condition states that An incapacitated creature can’t take actions or reactions. Does that effect movement though? Moving is not an action (at least not in 5e).

dnd-5e movement conditions

s/incapacitated/uncounscious/ for more funnies

Journeyman Geek

3:39 AM

technically?

Sleepwalking

ADHD Cat

5:23 AM

Goddammit how long does Xenserver take to time out a read error

ffs

Been waiting ten minutes on these bloody retries

Speaking of which, where the heck is the "Abort this I/O and stop retrying" button

Grr I can't even just overwrite the sector with zeros to force reallocation because the retries are filling the command queue

Guess this is what happens when you have four levels of abstraction on top of your disk I/O. Grrrrrr. Not what I wanted to deal with right before bed.

Journeyman Geek

go to sleep then

it'll still be borked when you wake up

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Andy K

7:08 AM

morning

Journeyman Geek

7:58 AM

hi

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