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Still got photos to work on.

"I'll build it!"

lol

*build fails*

"I'll build it from PPA!"

*everything's fine for 6 months*

*PPA is deprecated and soon deleted*

"...guess I'll migrate to the snap"

(I'd tried the snap first but it was pretty unstable back then)

I like how you use (escaped) asterisks.

6:04 AM

and now: "hmmmmm I can't seem to see the rootfs mounts even though everything's working so they must be mounted. I want to peek into it to look at the backup.yaml to answer someone else's forum question."

*google around*

*learns stuff about snap*

sooo... here I am

but yea, a lot of this is just trying to figure stuff out as they come up

(and I get sidetracked easily)

but hey, I now know 300% more about snap than I did yesterday morning

(granted, 3x almost-nothing is still almost-nothing)

Found this: ikawnoclast.com/category/systems/zfs

ehhhh

FreeBSD

I'm using ZoL

Are the ZFS commands the same?

@bwDraco The basic ones, mostly.

I know OpenZFS and ZoL are incompatible in some key ways, but I kinda think that's mostly on-disk format differences.

6:15 AM

Also, that website is pretty bad

@bwDraco nope, on-disk is compatible (assuming compatible feature flags, which they mostly are)

What are the main differences?

@bwDraco ok that website is horrible

(yes, I have worked with FreeBSD in the past)

takes forever to load, no support for opening in tabs, and the worst part: the actual command text is missing

Loads fine here.

6:17 AM

looks like they tried to embed a gist ... which didn't work

> A call to document.write() from an asynchronously-loaded external script was ignored.

The Gists load properly here in Firefox 57.

x10

@bwDraco not on the weirdly expanding category page, they don't

@bwDraco installation, iirc a couple commands aren't supported...

@Bob what he's trying to do feels even stranger

per user keypairs?

@JourneymanGeek well, I mean... it kinda makes sense for client certificate auth

but... that's pretty finicky to set up and use, and generally only used where high security is really required

and... what this guy is doing ... calling it high security is like a bad joke

there's just so much wrong here

where to begin

the cargo culting of where to generate the key?

the lack of HTTPS?

running shell scripts in what looks like a very injectible way?

using PHP? :P

hmm

XY?

6:24 AM

likely not having any idea what they actually want?

probably

@bwDraco linux, start here: pthree.org/2012/04/17/install-zfs-on-debian-gnulinux (it's a bit dated, but I think the core concepts are still good. mostly install that's changed)

@bwDraco more generic info, start here: open-zfs.org/wiki/System_Administration

but it's also very broad and largely unneeded info

I haven't read most of that

@bwDraco practical (my favourite!), start here: github.com/zfsonlinux/zfs/wiki/Getting-Started

I like practical

better than spending a week reading theory and getting bored

(that said, I usually end up spending a week reading up on best practices anyway)

@JourneymanGeek you were heading home tomorrow, right?

phone repair time? :P

tonight

So much to learn, so little time...

assuming the replacement screen reaches us

6:29 AM

ZFS, JavaScript, PowerShell, oh my!

otherwise will be using the xiomi 1s until I get it fixed

kinda tempted to throw lineage on it

(and even more stuff on the horizon: JQuery, Angular, Python, container-based virtualization... the list goes on)

It's not hard to get overwhelmed.

so don't!

pick a project, learn around it

And I still have photos to work on, a job search, and growing family obligations.

which you will have anyway.

6:36 AM

I think I need to learn to stay focused first.

well, you can learn that by focusing on a thing, no?

and I'm not sure you have trouble staying focused...

@Bob complexity of snap? quantity of snaps?

I only have one snap on one box, and none on my server O.o

reddit.com/r/aww/comments/7rdbsm/… @Bob

6:56 AM

@allquixotic complexity

all the namespacing and plugs and .... bleh

@JourneymanGeek :D

@allquixotic they're self-contained, but they... hard to debug

@Bob wait for SmartOS to support snaps on LX zones (via namespaces; containerized VFS mounts are already fully supported in zones) and use dtrace? :D

(only half kidding. seriously, dtrace is great)

@allquixotic lol, I just meant it's hard to dig into the filesystem

but now I know snap run --shell exists it's not so bad

I wonder if that was always there

I resurrected my Haswell NUC (i3-4010U); I wanna use it as a streaming box (Spotify -> PulseAudio -> icecast streaming source --(Internet)--> my dedi -> icecast2

@allquixotic stgraber is like some kind of wizard, too :P

user226528

Well, if there was a prize for the least meaningful starred messages board, today's board would win it: 4 starred messages that start with "How" and make no sense. And someone might have been pissed by Symantec.

7:10 AM

I'm learning so much just by reading his various github comments and forum posts :D

github.com/allquixotic/tribblify is going to be getting some love: updated to a much more recent Vala, and adding support for detecting the artist and track name from the WM_NAME property of the Spotify window (identified by WM_CLASS = "Spotify")

@Bob yeah he's really smart, he's the mastermind behind lxd

user226528

SYMANTEC!!! All hands to battle stations!!!

user226528

Nope, can't do it.

o/ BBL

o.O

@FleetCommand it's been annoying me (more than usual) for weeks now ... today was just when every annoying thing about it happened at once. You can click through to read the transcript immediately before if you want the gruesome details.

@allquixotic I think @bwDraco is actually older than me

idk

user226528

7:14 AM

@Bob Already on it. Looks like Symantec Endpoint Protection is going haywire by the Spectre patches. And you are not oblivious to their past mistakes either, which are exactly what made me dump that certain company years ago.

@FleetCommand That was only one (minor) part, actually. The overzealous firewall and false positive deletions are independent.

user226528

And I never liked the fact that they sell two different antivirus products.

user226528

Well, technically three.

@Bob he’s 25

@allquixotic now I'm curious if you know my age (which I've been keeping somewhat hidden from this room) :P

Skype or Google probably told you at some point

7:19 AM

Oh and if you’re looking for more learning and talks and stuff, I’d recommend Alon Zakai (kripken, the emscripten guy), Jurg Billeter, the Vala guy, and Bryan Cantrill, the SmartOS guy

@Bob for some reason I thought you were closer to my age, not a youngin

Unless over the past N years we’ve known each other, I’ve aged and everyone else has stayed the same age

A lot is expected to change over the next few days as I dedicate more resources to meaningful learning.

hah

@allquixotic everyone else is clearly getting younger

@JourneymanGeek no kidding. You’re older than me, right?

probably!

I’m 32

7:24 AM

The human was born in 83.... ;p

A horrifying concept to even read

;p

Man. We’re old. And Bob is an accomplished researcher and coder probably in his 20s and bw is worried he can’t find a job when he’s really young and has a MS and will get some nice entry level job in no time... we’re like, idk

Well, I'm still young as far as dragons go :)

and I need to find a job, and live with my parents ;p

lol

I got stories when I get back

7:27 AM

@allquixotic "accomplished" implies I'm actually competent :P