Root Access

12:15 AM

youtu.be/L3iJjrQmEho people having too much fun throwing fake lightning at a drone. Also, they do it twice.

@JourneymanGeek Kimchi is ... weird. It's in that position of being too heavy to really want to use it, being concerned about the whole needing-root-password thing, but also being decent enough at what it does.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob you don't need a root password

works fine with my regular, admin-capable account

Bob

@JourneymanGeek 'admin-capable'

same-same

Journeyman Geek

@Bob you need that sort of power for running VMs

even virt manager does

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Ya. But virt-manager is better suited for SSH tunneling.

I suppose that's doable with Kimchi, but locking it down is non-obvious.

Journeyman Geek

12:22 AM

Assuming you have a linux box handy ;)

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Ehhh. *looks at kitty*

Journeyman Geek

@Bob I think the idea there is "SSL is good enough, meh"

@Bob kitty does virtual machine manager? ;p

(which I add, one only really need for initial setup)

I lost my SSH keys for a few months and couldn't get into my main server. VM was humming along until the 16.10 update ;p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek ~~SSL~~ TLS would be good enough if they did client certificates.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob considering its backed by ngnix, its probably doable.

Bob

Point being, the confidentiality and integrity TLS provides isn't enough. Authentication is required too.

@JourneymanGeek Technically possible, and an incredible pain in the arse. SSH is easier :P

Journeyman Geek

12:26 AM

@Bob I primarily want this so I can spin up VMs on my home server from my desktop ;p

Dog

12:51 AM

Space Kimchi!

Journeyman Geek

spice kimchi! IN SPAAAAACEEEEEE

@Dog fairly simple web/html5 front end for KVM/libvirt with a few other shiny things

Ben N

If it was a Windows server with Hyper-V, I would suggest a VPN plus WinRM

Journeyman Geek

Also, deleted my LJ account.

Its the social networking service I think I've had the longest :(

@BenN it isn't ;p

Ben N

Oh man, speaking of LiveJournal, this story is incredible

Ultra long but uber interesting

h/t Slate Star Codex

Journeyman Geek

1:07 AM

@BenN I disagree with their most recent TOS changes at multiple levels

Ben N

What did they do?

(Oh, and one of my favorite things about the Msscribe story is how quickly all those shenanigans would have been shut down on an SE site)

Journeyman Geek

@BenN new TOS

io9.gizmodo.com/…

wrong link ;p

also the new TOS is "not legally binding" but apparently the russian one is

and refers to a russian law without saying what it is

Ben N

Ow

Journeyman Geek

and I have a shitload of LGBT friends online, a good chunk of whom used to use LJ so...

(I'm totally not going to judge people who still use it. I realise how hard it is to move things. There's literally nothing there I care about any more, and this is mostly throwing out sentimental, clearly broken things)

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Oh that is olllllllllllllld.

Found some interesting stuff there once upon a time.

Journeyman Geek

1:18 AM

lol

I think I first got a LJ account over a decade ago ;p

Its like the second or third place I had I considered 'home' on the internet ;)

@BenN heh, you've been following that post on meta on talking about suspensions publically right?

I don't think any other place would do that

Ben N

I've been skimming for new answers every so often, yeah

Journeyman Geek

lol

(yay for 10Kness there. I can read all the deleted drama)

Ben N

I should get to work on 10K-itude there, so much hilarious history is deleted

10K on SO (for MSO) would also be exciting, but ouch

Journeyman Geek

Yup

lol

funny thing is the reason I got 10k for... I could read cause of rules changes

Ben N

I think my highest-rep-inducing MSE post is an answer to the announcement tag one

Still have >5K to go though :(

Journeyman Geek

1:23 AM

lol

this is one of my reversal badges ;)

Ben N

Actually, drama of all kinds has been great for my MSE rep

:D

Journeyman Geek

lol

I have 4 reversal badges there ;)

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Linky? :P

Ben N

250

Q: Why don't we keep public records of suspensions?

Whenever the topic of a suspended user crops up, there's often confusion about what information moderators ought to share and what they should keep private. Sometimes moderators are just as unsure as other users. This can cause all sorts of unnecessary problems. The immediate effect of a suspen...

Journeyman Geek

@BenN I don't get people who complain about how a site is run and how things are unfair....

I wouldn't stick around where I wasn't wanted.

Bob

1:34 AM

@JourneymanGeek If a site is 95% good, it's often less effort to try to make it (subjectively) better rather than run ~~off~~ away :P

Journeyman Geek

@Bob Oh, you can't see those

.... neither can @BenN actually

@Bob I think the one time that happened, I was banned from chat on a headphone forum

I don't remember what it was, and apparently neither did the mods who kicked me

I don't even care, or remember what site it was ;p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek I meant linky to the meta post, which @BenN provided ^

Is it even possible to have private meta posts?

Journeyman Geek

@Bob for the 95% better

Nope

You can reply to the mod message tho

or use contact us link

I mean seriously - look at Yvette...

Ben N

Or get hauled into a private chatroom

Bob

@JourneymanGeek I thought the 'complain about ...' thing was referring to meta

Journeyman Geek

1:41 AM

@Bob deleted meta post ;p

Bob

Ah.

I knew it! The truth has finally been revealed! Ubuntu was Windows all along! — Matti Virkkunen 2 hours ago

Journeyman Geek

@BenN I've never done that :(

nor have I needed to :(

actually I'd have to look up how to do that if I needed to

0

Q: How can a line cord easily stay in a jack?

I have quite a few telephones. One I bought supposedly broken but I fished the jack out of the phone and found part of the connector was missing. A line cord could still snap in. Today, I was swapping cords from my PBX and the part of the plug that keeps the cord in broke off. The cord is fine o...

connector wiring telephony telecommunication rj-11

._.

Not a PC. And I'm sure back when that was new, the XT was a newfangled thing.

allquixotic

2:09 AM

@Bob dunno if you saw from earlier (while you were asleep) but I got an IBM employee from their "main" US office to answer a question for me on SO :P (or at least one of their really important ones, the main design/development office for their System Z offerings, i.e., the mainframes that run the world's financial systems and other such large stuff)

IBM has kinda done a neat thing with their first-party Java application server (which I'm required to use in some fashion since it's the "standard"), they released a freeware version of WebSphere called Liberty that can be run in dev or production and is faster to start up and easier to configure than the traditional WAS

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic fasterm easier, free...

what's the catch? ;p

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek on the Honor System, they limit you to 2 GB heap size. basically as much heap as you could fit in a 32-bit process without LAA

In my head I've been calling it the "Sins of a Solar Empire License"

(because they ship 64-bit binaries but you're limited to Sins-style memory)

Journeyman Geek

0_0

ah, so you shouldn't run a bigger heap, but they won't stop you?

allquixotic

right :P

fortunately, anything that will run on WAS Liberty on Windows or Linux also runs on traditional WAS on the mainframe (System/Z) with minimal/no modifications, so I can do my coding and development on Liberty, and when it's time to go into production, they'll take my .ear file and put it on the mainframe

and when they do that, it'll suddenly get access to loads of resources and run on a 5.5 GHz processor with 4-way hyperthreading per CPU

Journeyman Geek

ah. Clever

especially since chaces are there's other things the mainframe does better

like running dozens of these apps ;p

Bob

2:28 AM

@allquixotic Nice

@allquixotic I had something similar happen with Progress :P

The answer was ... less satisfying ... though

@allquixotic stackoverflow.com/questions/27391369/…

They literally created that account to reply to that one question o.O

Journeyman Geek

._.

So, I have one of these....

valore.sg/Valore/project/valore-usb-c-to-usb-3-0-adaptor-vuh-11

I'm trying to grok if the USB C female port there charges other devices since plugging in my charger does nothing

shutup clippy

ah!

Solved. Yeah, it basically does C to type A 3.0 female + a charge only C port

(and no, I didn't buy it at retail. Got it for less than half price)

allquixotic

2:56 AM

@Bob O_O

Bob

@allquixotic Seems fairly common for tech companies to keep an eye on SO these days :P

Whether officially or not.

allquixotic

3:10 AM

@Bob yeah, but to have one create an account for you, indicates just how rarely people use that tech

at least the IBM folks have >1000 rep

Bob

@allquixotic lol. I'm more surprised that they actually noticed!

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic on the other hand, it means someone there is keeping an eye out.

Journeyman Geek

3:32 AM

lol

bwDraco

Gosh. Went through almost seven hours of photography today doing a baseball doubleheader. The first game dragged on in extra innings.

I'm finally on my way home.

Yet I have another assignment tomorrow, covering softball and baseball.

Went through two cans of Starbucks Doubleshot on the job.

I'll be sure to get some rest. Shor's bones, what a long day...

allquixotic

@Bob some of the answers you got to your Progress question are very odd

the "Emad" answer is.... idek

Bob

3:47 AM

@allquixotic oh I actually forgot about mollyfud... that was an existing account probably watching the progress tags

@allquixotic You know... I bet they tried google to answer our support question and stumbled on my later-added SO question :P

> Principal Support Engineer for Progress Software.

allquixotic

@Bob how good is the Progress ecosystem as a dev?

Bob

@allquixotic I'm not a Progress dev so I can't really answer that :\

I only really interact with the edges of it.

But their KB does have some targeted/useful stuff.

allquixotic

so kinda like System/Z and me

Bob

Their documentation seems alright. Support is reasonably responsive, if a bit clueless at times.

Basically, big enterprisey software company.

allquixotic

by "edges" do you mean, like, web services? DBs?

Bob

3:52 AM

@allquixotic gitter

Dog

5:24 AM

Aaaaa@aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaąaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa@@aaaaaaaaaaa@@allquicatic aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa@aaaaaa@aaaaaa@aaasssaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Journeyman Geek

hm

@Dog I appreciate your insightful comment but I'm worried your A key is going to get worn out. Self inflicted disemvowelment is a horrible way to go.

Dog

5:43 AM

AAAAAAABH_k rvhgh

Touchscreen keyboards don't get worn out

Journeyman Geek

in that case....

catlike typing detected

Dog

I also bought this to deal with worn out smartphone screens

@JourneymanGeek cats don't autocorrect on touchscreens

Bob

@JourneymanGeek I just realised my naming schemes don't match :(

totally should've stayed within one mythology

Journeyman Geek

lol

Bob

Hm. Wait. Does it match?

Gaia, Yggdrasil...

Journeyman Geek

5:57 AM

lol

Bob

Still, if I ever migrate VMs between them, it'll be weird.

Phoebe visits Yggdrasil? :P

Journeyman Geek

Goddess... big tree

Bob

@JourneymanGeek s/goddess/earth/?

Journeyman Geek

Though Gaia's a anthropomorphic personification.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek If I ever add a third host, it'll be weirder. I don't know Egyption mythology that well :(

And the other ones, especially the eastern ones, even less.

Takama-ga-hara? Bit long...

Aaru (Egyptian)? but that's more like Olympus/Asgard than Gaia/Yggdrasil :\

Journeyman Geek

6:02 AM

lol

Hathor!

Bob

Nu?

Might be better off just using, idk, Skyrim mythology or something :P

@JourneymanGeek The only place I know that from is SG1 :P

Journeyman Geek

NUUUUUUUUUUUUU

Chinese names would be funky

SunWuKong? ;p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Hundun?

Journeyman Geek

@Bob tempting fate much?

Bob

@JourneymanGeek LOL

Yea uh... I chose Gaia over Chaos for a reason

Journeyman Geek

6:10 AM

I quite literally pick names at random

Rahul2001

Journeyman Geek

ow.

@Rahul2001 I can smell the burn from here.

Bob

Prithvi?

Purusha?

Journeyman Geek

a goddess I've actually never seen a temple for ever.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Well, I kinda went for primordial/'earth'/first for the host :P

Journeyman Geek

6:12 AM

Also, amusingly, I wouldn't name a system after a hindu deity

Bob

Of the original Greek-named VMs some are kinda fitting but most just sound nice.

Journeyman Geek

that's mostly why I use those

Bob

Dreamtime?

@JourneymanGeek Any particular reason? :P

Journeyman Geek

@Bob seems like sacriledge.

I stick to mostly dead religions ;p

Bob

Going purely by how they sound... Greek, Norse, Egyptian would all work for me. Japanese/Shinto maybe but most of those names are a bit long.

@JourneymanGeek o.O

Journeyman Geek

6:15 AM

@Bob I do vaguely have a religion ;)

Bob

Ah.

I'm largely agnostic... I just don't care :P

Journeyman Geek

Its just not something that comes up in conversation here for obvious reasons ;p

Bob

The mythology is interesting, the names sound nice, good 'nuff for me

Journeyman Geek

yup ;p

Course, I have that whole wierd set of co-incidences involving Athena, which is why its my main hostname...

Bob

@JourneymanGeek ?

Journeyman Geek

6:18 AM

@Bob essentially I kept seeing references to athena for roughly... 2-3 years. Everywhere.

Rahul2001

The front page is filled with memes in reference to that guy being dragged off of a plane. I can't remember the last time the entire reddit user base was so... United

Bob

@JourneymanGeek o.O

Journeyman Geek

lol

satibel

Hello, hello I'm a jello.

user226528

Well, Hello.

user226528

6:24 AM

What the hell? You guys were practicing being a poet?

bwDraco

I intend to name my systems after theological demons.

Rahul2001

reddit.com/r/Jokes/comments/64i6f6/what_borders_stupidity

LMAO the flair

Journeyman Geek

lol

user226528

Ha ha ha!

Journeyman Geek

theverge.com/2017/4/11/15255318/…

ow

@FleetCommand apparently its ometaphoea from something @allquixotic linked earlier ;p

user226528

6:30 AM

Apple once moved to Intel. It could happen again.

user226528

I am not saying it will though.

Journeyman Geek

@FleetCommand more the sheer amount of bridge burning going on

user226528

@JourneymanGeek I received the news of Apple moving to Intel platform right after an ad that said if Wintel was a mouse, PowerPC would be a lion.

Journeyman Geek

@FleetCommand I don't recall IBM accusing apple of crippling their powerpc boxen

djsmiley2k

morning all

my son decided not to sleep between 11pm and 4am :(

djsmiley2k

6:45 AM

my face has now collapsed

Bob

@bwDraco speaking of tempting fate...

user226528

@JourneymanGeek Boxen?

Journeyman Geek

...

ox oxen, box boxen, fox foxen.

English is an entirely logical language.

user226528

Does IBM exist today? Or did it go bankrupt?

Journeyman Geek

IBM still makes power processors

they sold off their consumer and x86 server lines to lenovo, and are mostly a consulting firm

user226528

6:55 AM

Well, as long as the Chinese haven't acquired it...

djsmiley2k

and service desk

they got huge services as a service... thing

user226528

Services as a service? They don't help people install Windows 10 now, do they?

djsmiley2k

:D

they do first line helpdesk stuff for some of our clients.

Journeyman Geek

@djsmiley2k heh. Here most of the workforce for that seems to be outsourced.

user226528

Not to the Chinese I hope...

Journeyman Geek

6:58 AM

naw

the indians.

arguably not much better

actually, indian tech guys are good when they're good

But the companies that do these things are somewhat...

user226528

We once had an Indian contractor visit our company.

user226528

The funnest part was during diner when we were handing our plates of Kabob. He seemed scared.

user226528

Other than that I didn't notice anything India-related to them. He seemed just like a contractor.

Journeyman Geek

I've just had pretty bad experiences dealing with them

user226528

Oh, I see.

Journeyman Geek

7:06 AM

Not necessarily ethnic indian folks. One company kept trying to push me to a job I know was a seriously lowball salary... after doing a bait and switch. Most of them feel like "we need to fill these roles for this money" rather than "we need to get the right people for these jobs"

djsmiley2k

@JourneymanGeek tbh that's just business, sadly

Like here where I work, the wage isn't great at all

Journeyman Geek

@djsmiley2k yeah, but as someone looking for a job...

djsmiley2k

they got some really good staff, but have trouble picking up anyone else of any kind of skill

because the wage is so bad concidering the other offers out there

but it's a really nice place to work, swings and aroundabout

Journeyman Geek

@djsmiley2k yeah, its a business model, but one that's fundamentally exploitative ;p

and I've had pretty terrible experiences with them

djsmiley2k

Is all business not?

at the end of the day

you need money, we'll exploit that fact by making you do things.

Obviously, it goes to different lengths.

:D

Journeyman Geek

7:11 AM

The bait and switch for an apparently non existant job though...

user226528

Microsoft used to be different. Stress on "used to be".

user226528

Job-wise I mean.

Journeyman Geek

I didn't get a call back from that other place that asked me how many years of experience I have with various versions of windows.

but but. I've run them all, from at least release to when the next version came out ++

other than vista

user226528

Same here.

Journeyman Geek

Oh oh

and the place that called me from india on whatsapp

user226528

7:14 AM

Strange. netvibes.com isn't responding. No ping either.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek "years experience" => all of them? :P

all the years!

Journeyman Geek

lol

satibel

Journeyman Geek

That's interesting

I edited a CWed post on main meta, and it didn't get bumped

bertieb

7:36 AM

ISTR a userscript for auto-fixing grammar and spelling (i → I, idk → I don't know) on SE sites but I cannot for the life of me find it, does anyone know the one I mean?

Bob

@bertieb SUAC

bertieb

Oh jings something reset the notification sound volume so I fair jumped there

@Bob Thanks, think that's the one!

Bob

@bertieb github.com/TomWij/su-automatic-corrector

god it took so long to find

and google was utterly useless

tracked it down from my github history :P

hasn't been updated since 2012 though

Burgi

morning

Bob

and you might be better off just manually fixing things

bertieb

7:41 AM

@Bob superuser.com/revisions/1198562/1

Actually, vimperator for Fx might have helped

Bob

@bertieb yea no a script isn't gonna fix that trainwreck

bertieb

If it's indeed vimperator I'm thinking of

I think it's salvageable! (well, goes without saying as I tried but I'll say it anyway :P)

@Burgi 'gmorn

We can't give up on every stream-of-consciousness Q

Burgi

@ThatBrazilianGuy i was asking for help on that question

Bob

@bertieb It probably is, but manual effort required :P

bertieb

I may be fighting a losing battle here; but it seemed lazy to not at least try and clean it up when it came up in the review queue- at least then it might be an "unclear what you're asking" close rather than VLQ

Bob

7:44 AM

There's also some irony of me being on the other side of this argument for once.

bertieb

Heh

Burgi

@Dog what about virgin mobile?

Bob

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Q: How fast would a sword need to be to avoid getting blood on it?

If a sword were to be swung horizontally, through the torso of a human being, how fast would it need to be to not have blood on it after the swing? Assume the sword and its user are together able to cut through all of the proper bodily organs and bones in a single strike. Assume a well-forged st...

physics weapons anatomy

Your name and this question are mildly concerning. — Joe Kissling 2 days ago

bertieb

I could swear I saw SUAC on the ~~userscripts~~ stackapps SE

Bob

@bertieb It probably was at some point. That github repo is the canonical link though.

bertieb

7:54 AM

@Bob Fair enough; I have a nagging feeling that there was another (really, hands? 'a nother' ? wtf) one that was slightly more recent/broader. I recall seeing ubuntu → Ubuntu replacement as an example maybe?

Hey ho, good enough for now!

Bob

@bertieb idr

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