Root Access

Edity

10:03 PM

i want clippy to appear

I want some coffee

cat

I feel fake

Edity

i am trying to get the easter egg :3

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cat

How can I get Clippy to appear?

Edity

hmm

cat

I want to punch someone

Hah it worked

Edity

10:07 PM

I am trying to get my Windows 8 VM to work so I can do some testing

that worked

♦ Easter Chaos

XKCD's and rm -rf / are here. Although this chatroom feels a b...

cat

I am trying to become a cat

Edity

come here and in the chat type rm -rf /

cat

No.

Edity

wai

cat

!!learn cathelp <>http://i.imgur.com/lz63meh.png

ChatBot John Cavil

10:09 PM

@cat Command cathelp learned

cat

!!Cathelp

ChatBot John Cavil

Edity

!!help

I AM STILL BANNED

6

UGH

PLEASE UNBAN ME

cat

I want someone to adopt me :-(

Edity

why did you star "i am still banned"?

Jun 24 at 8:50, by Edity

I am still banned.

this already got 4 stars ^

Byte Commander

10:21 PM

I want clippy to appear

expected something fancy to happen, but feels stupid now...

!!clippy

ChatBot John Cavil

@ByteCommander That didn't make much sense. Use the !!/help command to learn more.

Byte Commander

!!/help

ChatBot John Cavil

@ByteCommander Information on interacting with me can be found at this page

Edity

@ByteCommander try I am trying to get Ubuntu

I want to get ubuntu

aww

19 mins ago, by cat

I want to punch someone

@ByteCommander try that ^

I want to punch someone

2

Byte Commander

I want to punch someone

2

Edity

10:28 PM

there

see the windows clippy?

Byte Commander

Aaaaaah! Yeah! :D

Cool thing!

Edity

thats an egg to you

Byte Commander

We should get that as penguin for Ask Ubuntu!

Edity

propose it!

PRESUADE THE MODS

WHY DO I SUCK AT MARIO GAMES!

Byte Commander

Maybe it's not designed for pencils...

gtg

Edity

10:30 PM

lol bai

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

@BenN So if I disabled my WU, MSE doesnt even update its definitions?!

Ben N

Not automatically; it will occasionally pop up a little notification that your definitions are out of date

You can click that to have it update

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

I want to punch someone

oh yeah I remember this

Edity

first silver badge

:D

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

oh man... why do you do this microsoft?

MSE is not part of the OS, you must make it a choice whether it auto updates itself

Ben N

10:41 PM

I too was very -_- when I learned about that arrangement

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

Well oh well, I'm going to go invoke functions from arbitrary dlls using rundll64 now, bye everyone.

Ben N

Nooooo

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

Triggered ♥ :)

Ben N

Heh, I was about to link you to that, but you apparently know about it ;)

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

Well idk about you but I like corrupting my stack.

Edity

10:44 PM

:2

@CausingUnderflowsEverywhere corruping? stack?

Ben N

2

Q: Under what circumstances can I use rundll32 to invoke a function in a DLL?

I'd like to invoke the functionality found in various Windows DLLs from the command line. It looks like the rundll32 utility will do what I need - it takes a DLL name and a function name, and runs that function with parameters. I certainly hope there won't be any problems with that. What functio...

oldmud0

You miss one question, you die.

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

yeah yesterday I was looking at Ben's profile and noticed hmmm 10 million answers and 8 questions, cool let's see what questions he asked, they are probably pretty interesting! Oh yeah I certainly hope there won't be any problems. There certainly will be problems.

Edity

@oldmud0 Game Over!

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

Really great format @BenN loved it and informative too. I like how much I learned and even more about how windows has to fix corrupted stacks when people compile code with errors by type casting hehe

Edity

10:48 PM

18 mins ago, by Edity

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

just play super mario world it's easier

Ben N

Glad you enjoyed it! For more similar things, I highly recommend Raymond Chen's blog, which is where that quote is from

Edity

world?

this is a gameboi emulator

oh its on the gameboi

@CausingUnderflowsEverywhere I triggered Game Over by purpose.

by killing Mario with a goomba

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

@Edity you need to download zsnes and play smw

Edity

damn goomba and mario dont mix

@CausingUnderflowsEverywhere I played kirby with zsnes

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

10:50 PM

Yes I read Raymond's blog! thanks Ben :)

@edit you need to play kirby with pj64

Edity

it works with nsnes

i played super star

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

kirby crystal shards xD

Edity

eww

too kidish

oldmud0

Phew. Good thing I'm indestructible

Edity

? ^

Ben N

10:53 PM

@oldmud0 Are all the questions multiple-choice (or otherwise pass/fail), or do they have multiple parts?

oldmud0

They're multiple guess. At least there's no rule against having the notes in front of me

Ben N

Ah, that helps some

What's this test for?

oldmud0

It's TestOut which is basically an online textbook that prepares you for several IT exams. My summer program paid for this to prepare me for the CompTIA Security+ exam

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

Ben you look very friendly from your picture is that true?

Ben N

Exciting! Fortunately, you don't have to get every question right on the real Sec+ exam to pass

oldmud0

10:56 PM

The summer program's instructor assigns sections, looks at the grade at the first attempt for each of the sections' questions, and records it in the gradebook

Ben N

@CausingUnderflowsEverywhere I like to think I'm a friendly person ;)

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

I want to find and hug cat

Edity

CAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT

oldmud0

!caat

!!caat

ChatBot John Cavil

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

11:02 PM

oh @BenN tell me how to answer this question so I can win the bounty :)

Ben N

Which question?

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

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Q: Windows 10 Shows Orange Screen with White Vertical Lines on boot

Orange Screen (See picture below) appears on boot after Dell loading screen. Dell Inspiron 580 w dual monitors Dell Bios is latest version (A07) Nvidia GeForce 310 (Driver version 341.95 - latest) BitLocker enabled with no TPM Hyper-V enabled Surprisingly, I can key in my BitLocker password a...

windows-10 boot hyper-v dell-inspiron bitlocker

Ben N

Hmm, I confess I know very little about hardware; it's definitely a driver issue (as shown by the error), though I don't know any more

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

hmmmmmmm let me test your hardware skills

what's the difference between a .NET application of 352KB running on a 6600U vs a 6700HQ

Ben N

The 6700HQ has a smidge more single-core performance, but also double the cores. I would say that a .NET program would gain more noticeable speedups from that hardware upgrade than native apps

(considering that it has a GC thread and whatnot)

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

11:10 PM

okay you lost me at gamecube thread

Ben N

Heh, "garbage collector" - it's the routine that deallocates unused objects

Relevant (and long) MS article: msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ee787088.aspx

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

the real difference how ever is, that the application will be saving the world running on a 6600U while on the 6700HQ it will be speeding up the melting of the polar ice caps as the 6700HQ draws more electricity which is produced by burning coal.

I think you need to take a hardware course to refine your hardware knowledge

Ben N

I see

Also, write your representative and tell them to support nuclear energy

:P

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

in school I learned it's bad because north america pays Africa to store its waste, but apparantly they've been using safer ways now Im not sure.

Ben N

Anyway, the problem that person is having is probably that the display driver is on the partition that's BitLocker-encrypted

If I was to bounty-hunt that question, I would ask for a screenshot of Disk Management

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

11:14 PM

you think it can't decrypt the driver? (sorry idk what bitlocker does really I always considered it as bloatware)

Ben N

BitLocker is actually really awesome in that your entire OS volume is encrypted

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

so does programming in .NET save time because you dont have to worry about free ing your own memory and stuffs?

Ben N

And my guess is that the display driver's files aren't accessible from the BitLocker boot partition

Personally, I use .NET because of that memory convenience, and because of its nice standard library

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

hmm does bitlocker help protect against malware? or does a file request get decrypted before it's thrown to an application?

Ben N

BitLocker does nothing once your system is booted; it just stops people who've stolen your hard disk from reading your data or tampering with your OS

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

11:17 PM

(I'm imagining that malware would be unable to infect an encrypted file, and if anything just corrupt it)

oh but what if the police gets your data does that help

Ben N

Yes it does

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

FBI?

Ben N

Theoretically

Actual actual reality: nobody cares about his secrets. (Also, I would be hard-pressed to find that wrench for $5.)

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

haha blast

what if that 4096 bit RSA has a vulnerability that causes it to be cracked in 2.38 processor seconds

Ben N

If you find that vulnerability, you get to talk at big conferences!

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

11:20 PM

taskhost.exe CPU time 140ms since boot up

oldmud0

@BenN Ha, that's all you care about?

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

what do I need to find it? calculus?

Ben N

Fortunately, many very smart people have shown that RSA is solid, provided that it's used correctly

@oldmud0 Heh, no ;) It was something of a joke on how people sometimes say "if you find that, you get a Nobel prize"

oldmud0

@CausingUnderflowsEverywhere no, you will need a degree in microbiology to examine the living documents of cryptography

Ben N

Oh, so it's like the Constitution now?

(Sorry, political jokes!)

oldmud0

11:22 PM

@BenN Yes but instead of being interpreted by a human judge, it's recompiled with a JIT.

Ben N

@CausingUnderflowsEverywhere I'm afraid I haven't studied crypto enough to even describe what you need to study to poke at it

Relevant SE: crypto.stackexchange.com

oldmud0

We need to make a low-level Constitution assembly language

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

YES MICROSOFT POST MORTEM JUST IN TIME SYMBOLIC DEBUGGER

ahh windows xp

Im kidding the just in time debugger is seperate from the MS PMSD

oldmud0

So that I can finally see in my senator's bills at the top: #include <constitution>

Ben N

oldmud0

11:26 PM

I am a very fair judge. I will examine this case very carefull---ACCESS VIOLATION AT 0xff087002 (hb_3261.lgl)

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

Ben what do I use to debug C sharp programs? are there symbolic debuggers

Ben N

Visual Studio has a pretty good debugger built in

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

it's a server side program so it can have as many symbols present in the debug version as it likes

Ben N

If you have a PDB file (which is autogenerated for things you write), you can debug any .NET program

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

okie dokie thanks

in an explorer.exe dump file I found uhhhhhh something explorer.PDB as a string

Ben N

11:30 PM

Well, explorer.exe is a native process, so debugging it will be challenging, though you might be able to get symbols for it if you use MS's symbol server: msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/…

VS has an assembly debugger though, if you're into that

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

I have a question related to GC.
"Free. The block of memory has no references to it and is available for allocation."
Can't I have a program that doesn't have any evident references to a resource, then at some point end up accessing the resource again

Ben N

No. If an accessible object could conceivably access a resource (even if you don't have direct access), that resource isn't free

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

well what is a reference, what does it look like in assembly. is it just a call to a point in memory?

I'm into assembly but havent had a chance to study it yet :D

Ben N

Well, .NET compiles down to MSIL/CIL

Bob

s/MSIL/CIL/

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

11:34 PM

thats unhealthy microsoft.com/security/portal/threat/encyclopedia/…

Ben N

Very large manual: visualstudio.com/en-us/mt639507

Some viruses are written in .NET, so sometimes "MSIL" will be mentioned alongside them

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

hmm I suppose GC languages, java, .NET, AS3 just dont have a possible way of deep down stuff then

Ben N

C# has unsafe code, and you can P/Invoke into any native function

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

couldnt you say that assembly is unsafe code

Ben N

But in general, you won't have to worry about pointers and stuff when writing in .NET

Which assembly?

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

11:37 PM

do assemblers check for possible problems like a high level language compiler would :o

Ben N

Not really

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

yeah thats what I mean

Ben N

You can do a few things with CIL that you can't with C# or VB.NET, but those things aren't usually useful

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

I've always been interested in pointers :D

Journeyman Geek

morning

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

11:38 PM

morning journeyman

Ben N

unsafe code allows you to use pointers, though you should almost never need it

Hi!

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

my new role model is @BenN ! :)

@BenN, @JourneymanGeek will explain your responsibilities to you.

Journeyman Geek

"if anyone's at the door, bark loudly and ferociously, while wagging your tail"

Thomas W.

coughs

Ben N

Sage advice

cat

11:43 PM

I am cat

Bob

!!tell 31098702 listen s/use pointers/shoot yourself in the foot/

Hm. Cavil seems to be dozing again.

Edity

cough cough cough

a bad day I gues

cat

!!Are you dozingg again

ChatBot John Cavil

@cat Not a chance

Bob

...

cat

11:46 PM

@Bob Listen s/ has been broken for a while

Bob

!!tell 31098702 listen s/use pointers/shoot yourself in the foot/ 31098702

@cat Really? I don't think anything has changed there for the last few months.

cat

@Bob It's been not working for a few months

Or maybe weeks

Ben N

Is it trying to do it in Bot Overflow?

Bob

Interesting.

cat

Anyway it stopped working a while ago

Can't remember when exactly

But definitely more than a month

Bob

11:47 PM

Gah.

Remind me to look into it some other time.

Anyway, re: unsafe code.

cat

First time I noticed was shortly after Google commands broke, but it could ahve happened before then

oldmud0

Bob

Generally should only need to use it when something external requires it.

Which pretty much boils down to annoying P/Invoke structs.

@cat He's slowly forgetting things! :P

cat

Aren't we all.

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

cat

11:52 PM

You aint touching me

!!cat

ChatBot John Cavil

introducing blackberry the kitten

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♦ Easter Chaos

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