Root Access

if you plan to install it on a system that has wired ethernet access, you should be able to grab the netinst, and save some bandwidth, as it'll only acquire the packages you need

Anonymous

What do you mean how I am going to install it? (I am new to this VM/xen/etc thing)

allquixotic

@onebree installing it on a dedicated server that you don't have physical access to, for example, can be tricky (like having to load the CD image into a KVM-over-IP remote console)

Anonymous

I will be installing it onto a remote server, currently running CentOS 6 (I guess as the host).

allquixotic

9:21 PM

if you're going to burn the ISO to a CD/DVD and stick it in a computer you have physical access to, then you install it the same way you'd install any Linux or Windows OS since the 90s: put in the CD and follow the instructions

@onebree ah, do you have KVM over IP access to this server?

Bob

Ugh. The headset bug is worse than I thought.

qasdfdsaq

I have a server with KVM over Human access

Bob

I managed to fix it but now there's side effects

and I have no idea how to attract a reviewer's attention :P

Anonymous

I don't know. So far I was just tasked with: "find a debian 8 image to load into xen" (this is for work)

qasdfdsaq

To load into Xen? Sounds more like a DomU

Anonymous

9:23 PM

What is the difference between dom0 and domu?

allquixotic

yeah, better be sure whether you are trying to do dom0 or domU before you proceed any further

ever use VirtualBox?

qasdfdsaq

dom0 is the host. domU is the guest VM

Anonymous

My boss said I would be working with remote-dev, which has the dom0

allquixotic

dom0 is the physical OS that you boot up into from the BIOS; domU is akin to running an OS on VirtualBox on top of some other OS

Anonymous

Oh, I guess he means that remote-dev is the dom0.... I will ask again to clarify

qasdfdsaq

9:24 PM

If you don't know if you even have console access, trying to install a dom0 remotely is a bad idea

allquixotic

technically there's a tiny microkernel beneath Linux that serves as the real OS in technical terms, but basically Linux acts as the physical "bare metal" OS from the user's perspective when you're running it as a dom0

Anonymous

@qasdfdsaq Why is it a bad idea? I am jsut curious

allquixotic

....if they already have a CentOS 6.x system setup as a dom0, and you don't intend to wipe that out and install a new Debian Jessie dom0 instead, then by deduction you want domU

Anonymous

My first step was to find a debian 8 image for/to-load-into xen

allquixotic

which would effectively run Debian Jessie on top of CentOS 6.x

qasdfdsaq

9:25 PM

@onebree Because it suggests you don't know what you're doing

Anonymous

Oh, alright :P

qasdfdsaq

In general, reinstalling any machine remotely without knowing you have access to fix it if things go wrong, is a bad idea.

bwDraco

> So let's put it this way - the H1 on a full charge breaks the Geekbench3 test to the point that it thinks you are cheating. Oops.

Anonymous

I am installing Debian as DomU onto CentOS 6

allquixotic

the standard Debian 8 netinst image should work fine, then -- but why not use libvirt?

linux.die.net/man/1/virt-install

> virt-install is a command line tool for creating new KVM , Xen, or Linux container guests using the "libvirt" hypervisor management library

here are some immediately usable command lines: raymii.org/s/articles/…

here's a specific guide for setting up libvirt on CentOS 6.x dom0: wiki.centos.org/HowTos/Xen/Xen4QuickStart/Xen4Libvirt

Anonymous

9:36 PM

@allquixotic thank you. I never heard of libvirt, and it was not brought up. I will read more about it, but in the meantime, just grab the image from the wiki and use xen itself

allquixotic

ಠ_ಠ

Anonymous

....................................okay

allquixotic

This stuff should work as an alternative to libvirt, but libvirt manages the whole VM lifecycle for you, lets you start/stop, attach to console, remote in over VNC if you need a GUI, user management, authentication, resizing, changing the virtualized hardware, etc

basically if you're going to use the "raw" xen tools it's just not going to be as convenient or maintainable long-term as using libvirt

perhaps a thinner wrapper around the raw xen command line tools would be xen-tools, which you can install on CentOS by compiling it from source (they give explicit instructions on that page)

Anonymous

I am not interested in long term, as this is a dev server just to test out a FreeSWITCH installation and video support

Anonymous

Thank you for help, everyone.

allquixotic

9:49 PM

FreeSWITCH? okay, yeah, you have a mountain to climb... getting that thing to do anything useful is a week's worth of learning and frustration

good luck with that...

qasdfdsaq

Well at least we were more useful than /dev/chat

Anonymous

@allquixotic You have experience with it? Why was it difficult?

allquixotic

there is a reason FreeSWITCH has an entire "con" where people come and talk to the core devs to learn how to set it up... its configuration is nearly inscrutable for someone who isn't a telecoms industry / VoIP / SIP veteran

Anonymous

On the first server I was testing on (different one), I was testing video capabilities with Asterisk 13, but realized that video support is broken on *.

allquixotic

I managed to set it up as a free software alternative to a certain Vivox VoIP server for OpenSimulator a while back, but it still took me days of banging my head against the wall to figure out all the configuration

adding on video sounds even harder

qasdfdsaq

9:51 PM

OK who starred that

allquixotic

but no, I have no experience with using video with FreeSWITCH

Anonymous

@qasdfdsaq I did, as it was true!

qasdfdsaq

Lol OK.

allquixotic

also, ಠ_ಠ is the famous "LOD" (Look Of Disapproval), since you didn't seem to get the reference above ;p mostly joking in this situation, but still, not using libvirt when it's literally the easiest way = ಠ_ಠ from me, heh

qasdfdsaq

At least it wasn't one of of the mystery members who secretly lurk in the background waiting to pounce and star anything embarrasing I say about chmod

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Anonymous

9:53 PM

@allquixotic we use Asterisk for all our PBX needs, but as v13 is broken for video (my assigned feature for work), we are looking into FreeSWITCH. So far, the IRC channel is great, and I have been talking to a core dev. Whereas the * IRC channel, the most frequent responder is snarky

allquixotic

I never talked to any of the devs for FreeSWITCH or Asterisk, so I didn't know about their relative snarkiness

ended up toughing through it myself, mostly thanks to old mailing list posts on gmane

Anonymous

@allquixotic I did not know it meant LOD. I thought it was a face of shock or something. I see it around, but not often really.

Anonymous

@qasdfdsaq I starred this one too

qasdfdsaq

-_-

allquixotic

@qasdfdsaq What?! A post about chmod? Insta-pin and 9 stars within 24h!

qasdfdsaq

9:55 PM

Hey I'm snarky

allquixotic

cc @everyone who ever comes in here

qasdfdsaq

So's Ramhound

allquixotic

yeah, but ram is never in here...

qasdfdsaq

He was in here enough to flag me the other day

And call me a troll behind my back

allquixotic

@onebree if the FreeSWITCH devs are giving you free help, I'd say that's pretty good, and should get you where you need to go... hopefully

Anonymous

9:56 PM

is @everyone a real ping on chat here?

qasdfdsaq

I hope not.

allquixotic

no, I was kidding. though I might have the temerity to ping the sleeping fox and wauzer to come star it

Michael Frank

It didn't do anything for me.

qasdfdsaq

I'll DDoS your chatbot out of existence!

Oh wait...

Michael Frank

@allquixotic Jumped on that!

allquixotic

9:58 PM

you don't even have to do that much; just convince balpha to include JS constructs that don't work with QtWebKit's JSCore and the phantomjs chatbot will break

Anonymous

@allquixotic Yeah. I am not sure if the * guy was a core dev, but when I started this project, I asked the same question, a couple days apart. (No one responded well at first, and I thought "well, what if other/new people enter the room?") He then proceeded to say, along the lines of: "DONT YOU GET IT? No one here knows WebRTC. You are alone. Stop asking 13 times."

Mokubai

Cool, @qasdfdsaq mentioned chmod again!

allquixotic

YESSSSS, already 4 stars

we're on a roll, guys!

Mokubai

The alert system works!

allquixotic

go, go, go!

qasdfdsaq

9:59 PM

Heh. Usually I'm the holier-than-thou, condescending, snarky jerk that alienates new visitors to sites/forums/chat rooms

allquixotic

@qasdfdsaq though? s/gh//?

qasdfdsaq

I wonder if this Asterisk guy could be my soulmate

@Mokubai ...You've got to be kidding me

Then again, if he has an "alert system" along with his "secret list" that means I can superping him all day long just by going chmod chmod chmod chmod chmod chmod chmod chmod chmod chmod chmod chmod chmod

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allquixotic

lol

Mokubai

@qasdfdsaq It's a smart fuzzy-logic AI with a markov chain comparator that can detect when people are trying to trick it. Such simple tricks will not confound me. BWUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

allquixotic

"a certain person whose various names, euphemisms and sidelong references to I can't even utter in chat anymore because it will summon them" used to lurk in here and every time they were mentioned, start talking a lot in here and would often wind up in arguments with people

qasdfdsaq

10:07 PM

@Mokubai And yet, here you are.

allquixotic

and each time they were summoned they would add new sidelong references to their list of pings

Mokubai

@qasdfdsaq But I was already here :S

qasdfdsaq

I'm... going to leave now and go work on my internet spaceships.

Mokubai

My internet space career is going badly. Many people have bigger guns.

And bigger ships. And more guns.