Which is fine in this case

@JourneymanGeek I'd suggest keres :P

lol

daughters of nyx

gonna try to migrate phoebe and leto today

Sounds good ;p

The pheobe name got moved to the beebox

I wanted something bee themed but couldn't decide on something appropriate

I've been missing having a proper experimental vm

I have the company servers named on Noble gases :D

dunno if I want to keep leto up...

I need to find a good web ui for uploading files & access control

@Bob Umm

Why?

@qasdfdsaq Cause I feel like it? :P

Nah, I don't always have access to SSH.

And I kinda want to be able to have something with a little more functionality than raw directory indexing

then again, they're all shit :\

lol

@HackToHell I probably should do it right and name them by class

"ShittyLittleBox1" and "GreatBigHonkingGamingbox1" is not cool tho

@Bob In theory phoebe 2 should handle those

@JourneymanGeek that's my phoebe :P

or was, rather

I have four cores (so essentially 2x the cores of the bay trail celeron), and twice the ram

soon to be resurrected

Compressing  originalsystem.img   49%

I don't want to run anything I'd rely on on pele/keres.

And I need to swap the HDD anyway

maybe with the ZDOID or my old laptop hard drive (which has been in 2 computers already)

I'm having issues with nomachine tho :(

It crashes kwin

@JourneymanGeek You can name of battle cruisers :D

@HackToHell I have wierd personal significance for the greek goddess naming scheme ;p

Reading the culture series and i wanna name the next big cluster I create from ships in the book.

@JourneymanGeek Athena is still the big boss right ? :D

Athena is my laptop ;p

originally Home servers used the small fuzzy animal nameing scheme

Can't remember why I dropped that

and kitten predates athena

What's your main horse called? ;p

I'm calling mine Styx

Lets see

Current systems...

Cause I reinstalled the OS on day one(after I got the lap) after I did something stupid.

Thea (netbook), Athena (always the primary laptop), Atemis (ex athena, so named cause there was a newspaper article with a pair of TBMs called artemis and athena when I was trying to decide what to rename it), Nyx, Juno (always the oldest desktop - currently the shared desktop, tho, Nyx's predecessor was also a juno)

Nyx is my daytime/home machine I use athena as a laptop or after dark. Thea tends to be what I throw in my backpack going out

and I kinda stole the naming scheme off jmg :P

though I used phoebe first! :P

;p

@JourneymanGeek that's .... confusing

There's pele as well, which was the previous phoebe...

tho technically she's the third one since I've had two brix fail already

:P

That's just the ones on ovh

Oh

the dedi and the VM on it has no hostname ._.

@Bob personal vps ?

Or is it company thingy ?

@HackToHell they're VMs sitting on a dedi

my dedi host is named gaia :P

fits the theme

I had one named rhea

Ah

What do you guys do with the money you save up ?

I have put a emergency fund of sorts

I have a monthly budget

Do you put in schemes like fixed deposit(hopefilly this is a international thing)

or shares and stuff(feels too risky)

lol

I need to eventually.

@JourneymanGeek you could start now ;p

I'm dipping into my reserves ;p

I'd like to have a bit more cash on hand.

Else I'd pick up some government bonds (decent return, and safe, and not a very heavy investment)

and stocks with decent dividends.

Google seems like a safe bet

But a single share price is pretty high

yup

that sorta thing is why I want a bit more of a buffer

@Bob Well I know of a few.

There's basic ones, complex ones, and there's Microsoft OneDrive

But it depends on your use case, i.e. whether you just want to store and move files or to manage the server via the filesystem

@qasdfdsaq Hm. I used to use ajaXplorer, which was ... alright, but laggy and overly complex

then switched to just SCP/SFTP but that was a pain when I didn't have access to SSH

now I'm looking for a web UI again

Ah, AjaxExplorer

Apparently Pydio (which we use but are trying to get rid of) was formerly ajaxplorer

@qasdfdsaq Yea, I've been using OneDrive more recently, but there are some times when I'd rather use my own server :P

@qasdfdsaq Ya, they renamed it.

But I used it back before the rename.

Gold \o/

I mean for really simple stuff there's phpfilemanager

@qasdfdsaq is that mr bean :P

@qasdfdsaq yea... more file storage

just simple things like uploads, per-file unique links ('share'), renaming, some basic maybe folder management

@qasdfdsaq one problem is my aversion to anything php :P

hmm cloudcmd.io

s/some basic maybe/maybe some basic/

hmm. Boxroom looks decent.

hm. ownCloud might end up being the most polished one

also PHP-based but at least it's fairly recent

I don't trust anything that claims to work on PHP 4.

hm... they still require Apache though :(

no listed support for Nginx

Ah yes, owncloud

We trialled that at one point

@qasdfdsaq How was it?

But that also uses PHP

Yea. Pity :\

It works quite nicely, except a lot of the features for enterprise integration are locked out on the free edition

Still, it looks decent.

Most PHP-based file managers look like some shit someone wrote on a weekend.

And feel about as secure too.

To be fair, that's probably true of other languages too.

It's a much-neglected category :\

@qasdfdsaq Thankfully that's not something I want or need.

lol

ah, screw it. I'll come back to this tomorrow. gotta get phoebe up first for the firefox build

If you don't need enterprise integration it's quite nice.

I can either use a kvm vm with deb jessie like my others

or make it ubuntu and chuck lxd within kvm

It's fairly simple to set up... if you have tons of PHP boxen already. Quite flexible with authentication sytsems and does support unique links and public sharing

Performance was fairly meh over SMB mounted network drives mind you, but that could be are SAN being shite.

@qasdfdsaq Sounds good, looks good, has thorough docs. I'll probably try that first.

@qasdfdsaq I won't be worrying about performance until I get something other than ADSL -_-

The fact that it has enterprise support as an option at all suggests it's a pretty polished, complete product.

This radio will only work in US?

@qasdfdsaq Well, considering the crap I see bundled with cpanel..

Considering cpanel itself...

enterprise support doesn't mean much these days :P

True. But you don't see it with PHPFileManager

right. I probably should back up the 'good' nuc tommorrow

I have everything set up just so.

How many NUCs do you have?!

Once I'm sure automatic downloading works

@qasdfdsaq two

Hmm

I keep talking about getting one but never actually do it

One brix (my third ._.) and an asrock beebox

they're lower end ones tho

Atom based

NUCs make no sense for me ... my internet is shite :\

@Bob they mostly run 'internal' things

I was most keen on a NUC when my internet was shite

Cause I'd have to stream stuff off my media server/NAS, instead of just youtube

@JourneymanGeek I just keep my desktop computer on anyway

the beebox mainly runs my torrent client

(or long running VMs)

Used to have znc and ttrss running on it at one point

I just use a cheap seedbox for the few times I need linux distros

which isn't much lately

(letting it download there and then grabbing it via http is nicer on my network :\ )

@Bob "linux distros" or linux distros

;p

@HackToHell linux distros, of course

:D

Finally windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-10/…

@HackToHell funny thing is I've downloaded several gigs of actual linux distros this week

including 1.4gb of kubuntu, then removing a 3mb folder to add into minimal

> SourceForge Acquisition and Future Plans

> Our first order of business was to terminate the “DevShare” program. As of last week, the DevShare program was completely eliminated. The DevShare program delivered installer bundles as part of the download for participating projects. We want to restore our reputation as a trusted home for open source software, and this was a clear first step towards that.

Huh. Nice.

@Bob I wonder if being listed as a malware site had anything to do with it

shrug

GitHub isn't looking good these days

@Bob least for now, github has critical mass

and they haven't done anything actively dumb right?

@JourneymanGeek They had major restructuring recently.

A lot of the old guard, primarily engineers, left or were forced to do so.

@JourneymanGeek They have.

ahh

Lemme see if I can dig it up.

restructuring sucks

They haven't done anything technologically dumb yet AFAIK, but they've done a lot of politically dumb shit over the past year.

ahh

@JourneymanGeek businessinsider.com/github-the-full-inside-story-2016-2

hm

heh. Some of that makes sense in context to me ;p

@JourneymanGeek Hm?

and as a management major...

Ah.

sounds like they got their internal culture changed by folks who're more concervative.

@JourneymanGeek One of the bigger issues was last year when they adopted a new code of conduct. todogroup.org/opencodeofconduct

> Our open source community prioritizes marginalized people’s safety over privileged people’s comfort.

?!?!

oh god those.

No. Bad github.

You don't get equality by promoting anyone over anyone else.

Yup

It's just like the whole 'hiring for diversity' thing...

Yay Scotland rules Agar.io!

dosen't help me very much! ;p

That's just racism/sexism in disguise :\

@Bob +1!

'Hiring for diversity' implies you pick someone over someone else of equal or better skill not because they're skilled but because they belong to a different social category.

@JourneymanGeek Did Google list it in their new malware directive?

No idea

ublock origin does tho

Oh.

Hiring to fit a political narrative, not to find the people most capable of doing the job.

"I wonder if being listed as a malware site had anything to do with it" made me think it was Google related

...I don't like politics.

Cause they recently started adding sites with deceptive download buttons to their blocklist

@Bob I care very little for it

@JourneymanGeek I want to focus on technical aspects, not tiptoeing around politics :\ (though, of course, no ad hominem attacks.)

Chrome NOW BLOCKS DOWNLOAD OF FILEZILLA-Sourceforge Malware

Heh

Yup

@qasdfdsaq Yea, the FileZilla guys refuse to move it :\

I don't care if you're male, female, straight, gay, lesbian, transgendered, bisexual, species dysphoric...

I think that's what finally pushed me to get WinSCP.

@Bob Arguably, the whole "taking over abandoned accounts and injecting adware into their downloads" was as much a political decision as a technical one

cyberduck!

@Bob Last I checked Filezilla already moved

@qasdfdsaq its clear dumbassery.

@qasdfdsaq They did? Huh. When did that happen?

Hmm, nope

Must have been someone else...

also one reason we cannot have nice things (tm)

I'm pretty sure I downloaded something recently where they moved from Souceforge but SF kept hosting their stuff anyway, and they said "Our independent site is the ONLY official source, do NOT download from Sourceforge."

(PDN, which I love to bits, de-open sourced their core since folk were taking it, repackaging it with malware and releasing it)

Oh that happens

Can't remember exactly what it was though, I assumed FileZilla since that's the only thing I can think of that I got fro mSF.

@qasdfdsaq Yea, that happened. But I can't remember who either...

FileZilla was the one where the project maintainers refused to move.

I haven't run filezila in years

@qasdfdsaq GIMP: infoworld.com/article/2929732/open-source-software/…

The only time I've been #1 or #2 or #3 in Agar.io this entire year has been during the last two days I've been named "Scotland"

It seems being named "Scotland" affords you a lot of goodwill in Agar :-D

@Bob I know GIMP was affected, but I've not downloaded that myself. At least not for a few years.

blog.codinghorror.com/the-scooter-computer 0_0

those look like the perfect cheapass x86 server/firewall box

Ah it was Filezilla, sort of

Oh god I just read a bit more of that CoC

> Physical contact and simulated physical contact (eg, textual descriptions like “hug” or “backrub”) without consent or after a request to stop

> In 2013, the FileZilla project's lead developer Tim Kosse authorized SourceForge to put an offer-producing installer around the project's download file. When someone expressed concern about the adware installer in the FileZilla forum, Kosse replied, "This is intentional. The installer does not install any spyware and clearly offers you a choice whether to install the offered software." He added that an unbundled installer was still available on FileZilla's official download page.

@qasdfdsaq LOL. From the link you posted: "anyone highly advanced in computer knowledge is using Chrome/Chromium." That's just plain bullshit.

That's a bit of a weird thing to put in there.

Apparently they've always hosted their own: download.filezilla-project.org

@qasdfdsaq The official recommended download link still points to sf

Yeah I noticed that.

@JourneymanGeek They're overkill for a firewall.

But they're damn powerful for $350...

@Bob yup

you could throw in a general purpose distro and host other things too. But dual ethernet's the shiny thing

that's a whole lot of connectivity

actually that little thing could serve as a decent damn good office pc

assuming it's reliable...

dual display output too

Yeah $350 is a bit OP.

@qasdfdsaq OP?

Personally I just use old/spare laptops. They have all the attributes required - full x86 capabilities, built-in WLAN + LAN, lower energy consumption, quiet, and as a plus, have a full physical console.

@Bob Overpowered

Ah. read it as overpriced

@qasdfdsaq Quiet old laptop? :P

quiet?

@Bob Err... yes?

13" with a barely audible fan that's off pretty much 100% of the time when it's used as a router

@qasdfdsaq not enough ethernet adaptors tho for a 'proper' firewall

@JourneymanGeek One is enough, and if not, there's always USB.

@qasdfdsaq ah your 'old' laptops are considerably newer than mine

my old laptops are from an era before passive cooling was really a thing

@Bob These are 2006-2012 era.

huh.

I had a 2004 era laptop which was fairly quiet too

@qasdfdsaq USB ethernet? sounds like the late 90s ;p

Mind you I buy most of my laptops with a dedicated GPU, so they often have overspecced cooling for when you're using the CPU alone.

@JourneymanGeek Or macbook air!

....

Joking aside, I have several USB GbE adaptors. Never needed them on my router laptop though.

"Could I have it when you die? I want to give it to my little girl"

@JourneymanGeek ewwwww 3d graphs

My recent Lenovo 700 didn't have an Ethernet port, even though the cheaper Lenovo 500 has. Oddly, the Thinkpad Yoga 14 doesn't have Ethernet either.

High-end Lenovo 700 - No ethernet, Micro HDMI. Mid-range Lenovo 500 - Gigabit Ethernet, full-size HDMI, more USB ports. Business Thinkpad Yoga - No ethernet, full-size HDMI, less USB ports :-/

But seriously. You only need one ethernet port.

@qasdfdsaq for a end user machine? Sure

Most enterprise routers only use one port, connected to a switch with VLAN based port segregation.

And pretty much all consumer routers and laptops do support VLANs with the right drivers.

Plus in reality, most consumer routers are actually a one-port router connected to an internal port of a 5-8 port switch

The WAN port is just a VLAN tagged port on the router's internal switch, as are all the LAN ports, and the CPU port.

In practical terms I'm just pulling the CPU-heavy workload out of the Netgear box and putting it on an x86 CPU. The CPU in the router only has a single port connection to the swithc, so does my laptop.

@qasdfdsaq hm. I always thought atheros chipsets couldn't tag individual ports but maybe that was a limitation of ddwrt

also I think we've had this conversation before :P

which happens a lot ;p

I specifically buy Atheros routers because they have the best tagging support personally

shrug

DD-WRT had poor Atheros support in general, and also limited VLAN support.

All I know is my router only lets me tag the whole interface, not individual ports

I never did figure out how to properly configure VLANs on DD-WRT. Part of the reason I switched to Openwrt. Much more flexibility

You literally have all the functionality of a managed enterprise switch, though some had to be implemented in software.

Ooh Far Cry Primal is out soon

@Bob I think you've said that before

@qasdfdsaq We do that a lot in this room.

Once every month or two isn't that often

@qasdfdsaq Yea, I'm at the point where I really don't want to tear my home network apart unless something breaks.

I'm still waiting for Ath10k 802.11ac drivers to become stable