Root Access

Psycogeek

00:06

If "new features" worked so well and did not cause problems why then does MS have a strategy even zdnet.com/article/… for having the consumers be beta testers :-) and the different business levels to avoid them for some time.

Sure one could point out that businesses do not want to deploy whole new sets , costing thousands , and re-train in the use of , , , etc. But really they still have to deploy security, and most of the features they are talking about is Added crap to already fully functional programs , that some people think makes them more crap.

This all looks to me more like MS has figured out, just like many businesses have, you do not fix what is not broken, And provide an outlet for not breaking businesses stuff.

I am sure there are not any consumers , that would want to be having a system that is called "long term" , they prove daily that they love it when the system breaks , and there are things they cannot figure out :-)

" They are encouraging IT pros/admins to think of LTSB as being for mission-critical systems only." And no consumer would ever want a system that works as well as a misson-critical one :-)

"The way Microsoft plans to enforce this, my contacts said, was to prevent CBB users from getting new security updates if they tried to delay feature deployment past a set period of time." Oh sure , first the store, then the ads start flowing in, then the offline connections to paid services and Just what are they planing back there to have a great Need to jam these new features in? (it is not about security, they said that)

Psycogeek

00:53

The above really isn't going to work in the US, blackmailing companies has never been a great business structure. If the "features" they put out are completly undesirable to the business , MS would be condemned for withholding security, to force the features on them. Something like that could easily win in court, and MS has already lost more than 2 class action suits for business practices.

Bob

02:20

poor guy

asks question in [one place](https://community.office365.com/en-us/f/613/t/318390), gets directed to [second place](https://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/scriptcenter/en-US/564a3185-abbc-426d-b1cf-0083e40b4139/error-when-trying-to-set-organizationalaccountsuffix-through-setadfsclaimsprovidertrust?forum=winserverDS), gets directed back to first place or to a [third place](https://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/vstudio/en-US/c342d366-3108-4bcc-8f1c-ff79046f0086/error-when-trying-to-set-organizationalaccountsuffix-through-setadfsclaimsprovidertrust?forum=Geneva)

at least he finally got an answer

...markdown pls

Michael Frank

rekt

I got a (see more text) button that showed me your . at the end. :)

Bob

@MichaelFrank had to make it multiline to get it to send

Michael Frank

Huh... can site mods set how much rep an upvote is worth?

Journeyman Geek

No

Michael Frank

But I only got +5 from an upvote. o.O

Journeyman Geek

02:32

0_0
where?

Michael Frank

On scifi.SE

Journeyman Geek

Did you repcap?

Michael Frank

Nope, new account.

First question though.

Journeyman Geek

oh

question upvotes are +5 everywhere

superuser.com/help/whats-reputation

Michael Frank

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

I hardly ever ask questions. ^_^

Journeyman Geek

02:35

heh. I need to ask a question soon. As soon as I figure out how to word it.

unrelatedly

boingboing.net/2015/06/14/college-student-wants-graphic.html the stupid. It burns

That or this kid is just trying to wiggle her way out of a failing grade

Psycogeek

"A mysterious plague has killed every man on earth " but thier worried about the last guy running around nakid? B&W comics could be pornography , hmm i should read more :-) And in california, where the colleges have nakid sit-ins and gay parades dance half nakid in the streets , I think she may need to just Move

Journeyman Geek

heh. Its also a TV series now IIRC

Michael Frank

@JourneymanGeek The Last Man on Earth?

It's kinda funny.

Journeyman Geek

02:53

ahh. Didn't really hit my radar.

I'm digging dark matter, even if there's a few deviations from the source material

Psycogeek

Journeyman Geek

(6 people wake up in a ship with no memory of who they are...)

Its pretty old school space opera ;p

Dark Matter (TV series)

Dark Matter is a Canadian-American science fiction series created by Joseph Mallozzi and Paul Mullie, and is based on the comic book of the same name. Syfy placed an order for 13 episodes for the first season of the series on October 14, 2014. The show premiered on June 12, 2015 on Syfy. == Cast and characters == === Main === Marc Bendavid as One / Jace Corso Melissa O'Neil as Two / Portia Lin Anthony Lemke as Three / Marcus Boone Alex Mallari Jr. as Four / Ryo Tetsuda Jodelle Ferland as Five / Das Roger Cross as Six / Griffin Jones Zoie Palmer as The Android === Recurring === David H...

Michael Frank

Cooooool

I've needed a good space show since I finished BSG.

Psycogeek

cool, as long as it is not a space soap opera

Michael Frank

From the Wikipedia entry: "Six people awake from stasis on a ship in space but have no idea who they are. Then they are attacked by an android and shot at by another ship."

...sounds riveting.

Journeyman Geek

03:01

;p

5 words
They're on a space ship.

Michael Frank

I definitely gonna watch it. Just had a good laugh at that short episode description.

Psycogeek

The soap opera version: Jane wakes up on the ship with no memory, bob looks deep into her eyes and says "who am I, you hot" , Mary slaps him, because she is pregnant, for no other reason, then says "where are we" , gillian wakes up and says "thats my baby" , but doesnt know why.

Journeyman Geek

That spoils the first half of the episode.

Bob

03:27

> 4. Add new feature which launches a new instance with administrator privilege to save the protected file.

:D

Journeyman Geek

03:38

@MichaelFrank: There's also the expanse. Based on the book series. Should be cool

Michael Frank

@JourneymanGeek Yea, that's been on my download list for a while.

Journeyman Geek

Oh, its not out yet (the show, not the books ;p)

Michael Frank

Yea, I'm just waiting. :)

Journeyman Geek

scifi seems to be doing short seasons on these so... I hope they do well enough to survive. The fact that DM is canadian produced and not fox might mean it has a chance ;p

Psycogeek

canadian series and sitcoms are a refreshing change from the american stock, and they still in engrish :-)

Journeyman Geek

03:52

(also, subsidies mean VFX is cheaper ;p)

Michael Frank

04:03

I have a laptop sitting here on my desk that has a nasty lump with a crack across it near the touchpad.

I don't have a screw driver handy so I checked a disassembly guide to see what is under there... Turns out it's the CMOS battery.

I have a feeling it has either exploded or bloated. O.O

Journeyman Geek

that's probably bad

hm. I need to go retrieve a post from my old WP install

Journeyman Geek

04:25

blah. I can't ssh out from work any more.

Its a good thing (securitywise) but I wanted to check something ;p

Journeyman Geek

04:47

hm. I need better time management. Overslept slightly (I've not had much sleep the past week), decided to read rss feeds instead of breakfast. Hungry :/

Deltik

When's your next opportunity to eat, @JourneymanGeek?

Journeyman Geek

oh, soon. 30 minutes or so? ;p

I prolly should have had breakfast tho ;p

Deltik

I know the feeling. :P

I don't think I've ever used chat.stackexchange.com until today. .-.

Journeyman Geek

heh. Yeah. that tends to happen. Especially since the chat link got moved to the bottom

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A: Stop keyboard wobble due to uneven desk

This is happening because there is a gap of space between a corner of your keyboard and the desk. Your goal, as you may have guessed, is to remove this gap. A general solution is to look around you and find a material that can do this. Look around you for something with the following qualities:...

Epic answer ;p

Deltik

05:05

Interesting.

Journeyman Geek

also. I didn't realise you could walk into a shop and buy quarter inch steel plate in the US. ;p

Psycogeek

@JourneymanGeek This is an X-Y problem, he should reassemble the IKEA desk using the rest of the parts he had leftover, and actually read the manuel this time :-)

Journeyman Geek

lol

(heh. I have a tabletop from who knows where on ikea trestle legs and its stable.

No parts left over I guess. ;p

Psycogeek

you can also buy various sizes of rubber and felt feet . I keep a stock of them, mostly because now they all Fall Off stuff , yea they used to use screws.

Journeyman Geek

my desk is a bit frankenstined. Original legs were missing screws so I used my own, which were too long, Then I drilled holes for cabling with a roundsaw (and its particle board so it looks gnarly)

Psycogeek

05:18

I have holes all over the desk, then stuff updated (oops) big hole in the back where the CRT would back into. Holes everywhere for wires of hardware that was obsoleted by the OS and progession in video and audio.

I am often finding weird plastic things, and rubber things laying around on the floor, WTF does this belong with? Months later when the unknown item is fully lost, after having been carefully placed where it could be found, ya find something and WTF is missing here?

Ohhh thats what that was, now where did i put it.

Luckily the dog does not eat them.

Deltik

Ohh... so I have used chat.stackexchange.com before, once, on 01 July 2012. Huh.

Psycogeek

05:35

Is this you chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/5182353#5182353

Deltik

Indeed

XKCD

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Bob

07:34

urk

squeeky mouse wheel at work

how should one lubricate a mouse wheel o.O

Journeyman Geek

07:58

o0

I just swapped my mouse ;p

Oliver Salzburg

08:14

@JourneymanGeek For a new one?

Journeyman Geek

In this case, yeah.

Oliver Salzburg

@Bob I refuse to disclose my lubricating strategies

2

Bob

08:58

huh

even 64-bit FF crashed (OOM) after a full day

that's one serious memory leak

Journeyman Geek

;p

Bob

I think I ran out of virtual memory

hm

Bob

09:13

AvailablePageFile 		1799720960
AvailablePhysicalMemory 	1144037376

Journeyman Geek

12 gigs of memory?

Bob

TotalPageFile 		22703136768
TotalPhysicalMemory 	8558526464

@JourneymanGeek The browser used at least 10 GB I think

probably a system-wide OOM

Journeyman Geek

ow

Bob

actually, looks more like at least 15 GB

my page file ballooned from 4 GB to 13 GB

recommended changed from 8 GB to 12 GB

Bob

09:32

hm

just had a 12-second brown/blackout... UPS handled it fine, no printers dead this time

@JourneymanGeek yay for leaky webapps? :P

Journeyman Geek

lol

This is why I go oldschool for music

(well or google play music on my phone... which works ok, other than needing to clear out my cache to update)

Next phone will probably have more storage, and probably an SD card ;p

Tom Wijsman

10:19

@Bob: Sounds like a driver issue maybe. Try updating graphics / audio first.

Bob

@TomWijsman Nup. Webapp has a serious leak.

Affects everyone.

Tom Wijsman

Didn't you yesterday had Spotify issue?

Bob

@TomWijsman I already know I have a (likely) graphics driver-related leak in normal use. But this is a special case - refreshing the page is enough to reclaim almost all that memory. Just shitty JS.

@TomWijsman Definitely unrelated.

And also likely a leak in the webapp (player, implemented as a webapp on top of nwjs last I checked) itself.

@JourneymanGeek This has nothing to do with music...

Tom Wijsman

Sounds similar to leaving Twitter open when you follow max people.

Bob

If you really want specifics, I'm talking the Steam monster game :P

The Spotify leak was different, much slower, and while completely in the background (!).

Tom Wijsman

10:22

Oh, no doubt one time event games aren't programmed at their best.

Bob

@TomWijsman Still, > 16 GB over ~8 hours? That's a bit much.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: yeah. But horribad leaky webapps ;p

blah. I'm probably dumping my 256mb vps. Undecided on the 128mb one. On one hand, I'm not doing anything with it. On the other, having a US IP address can be handy

Bob

heh

Journeyman Geek

(since the dedi covers the same stuff the 256mb vps was doing
)

HackToHell

10:39

Watching the shining alone is a bad idea

Crap

Journeyman Geek

11:17

blah.

lol

oldschool yo!

allquixotic

13:21

hi

Bob

@allquixotic hi

Journeyman Geek

14:41

woof

allquixotic

foow

William Hilsum

Hi everyone - Just a very quick question... Does anyone know a site that compares PSUs / power draw or what the formula is? I leave my PC on 24x7 and I have been using a crappy OEM 450w PSU for years... one of my distributors is selling some 550w silver rated ones cheap, and I wondered if I am better off upgrading

or is the higher 100w not worth it, even if more efficient - it is one area I haven't really understood and been meaning to!

Journeyman Geek

@WilliamHilsum: there's a few power supply calculators

Also, the "metal" rating determines how efficient the PSU is at lower loads

80 Plus

80 Plus (trademarked 80 PLUS) is a voluntary certification program intended to promote efficient energy use in computer power supply units (PSUs). Launched in 2004 by Ecos Consulting, it certifies products that have more than 80% energy efficiency at 20%, 50% and 100% of rated load, and a power factor of 0.9 or greater at 100% load. Such PSUs waste 20% or less electric energy as heat at the specified load levels, reducing electricity use and bills compared to less efficient PSUs. == History == Ecos Consulting (promoter and owner of the brand) and EPRI (Electric Power Research Institute) develop...

is a good starting point

William Hilsum

thanks

reading now

Bob

@WilliamHilsum If you want to know your real power usage at the wall, get a meter.

Or a UPS :P

If you want to know efficiency... good PSUs will have published efficiency curves, but they tend to be fairly similar.

Crappy PSUs are all over the place.

As for calculators, they're only really useful for peak power.

Journeyman Geek

14:52

plugloadsolutions.com/80pluspowersupplies.aspx has the equivilent for 230W

Bob

Idle power varies greatly and really has to be measured.

Journeyman Geek

also, look up the model on johnny guru.

He does pretty good reviews, which get snarky as heck with bad PSUs ;p

Bob

Warning: efficient PSUs with active PFC can screw up UPSes not designed for it.

allquixotic

^ super useful advice that saved me money

William Hilsum

interesting, looking now... I buy big bulk components and the PSUs are usually about £11 for the low end good brand ones I use (and hardly ever have problems with them)... just recently, I have been thinking if I should go higher end...

allquixotic

14:55

a PSU is not something you want to skimp on

Bob

glances at cheapo PSU under desk

allquixotic

problem-free operation does not mean it's efficient or treats your other components good

Journeyman Geek

lol

Bob

this whole machine is due for an upgrade soon-ish anyway

allquixotic

i knew a guy who went through like 6 video cards in 2 years and didn't understand why they kept failing

Journeyman Geek

14:56

I've mentioned my spare PSU right?

allquixotic

he got a new PSU; problem solved

Bob

though, I'll also have to look into a new UPS...

PFC-compatible UPSes cost a lot more :\

Journeyman Geek

2 fans.... push pull configuration... ;p

Not something I tend to worry about XD

Bob

apparently sometimes basic UPSes will work with PFC, but it's an unsure thing and also depends on load

huh, I didn't know this had a voltage regulation mode o.O

O_O there was a 2-second undervoltage within the last 12 weeks

I really want one of those UPSes with a nice graph

but they run something like $200-$300

speaking of, @allquixotic, did you ever get one?

allquixotic

@Bob nah

Psycogeek

15:06

Must be what we call a "regulated" ups. went through a few cheap ones here , that would switch beutifully when the power went off, but still failed miserably when the power browned out some, which happens more often here than blackouts.

Bob

@Psycogeek yea, we had a bunch of brownouts

UPS served well, though it switched completely to battery

never seen it actually boost before

this is the cheapest one with management software (e.g. auto-shutdown)

the cheaper ones were basically a battery+inverter+charger in a box

Psycogeek

This round , previously lost 2 very expencive APCs to bad batteries one shooting flame :-) ended up with GeekSquad very well designed ones, but now they too do not make them .

DragonLord

You would want at least line-interactive.

I'd probably pick Tripp Lite.

Psycogeek

I also change the batteries more often :-)

William Hilsum

@allquixotic well, I go named brand, but low end ones...

Bob

15:10

heh, interesting this didn't come up last time

apparently APC considers PFC an issue for PSUs rated 500W+ (superuser.com/a/830242/117590)

@DragonLord pretty much all UPSes are line interactive at the very least

some (generally very expensive) are online

even the cheapest UPSes are still line-interactive

Psycogeek

BB makes an awesome lead acid battery that blows away some of the original junk they put in these machines, because it simply handles way more hard hitting power on discharge (thick plates) the HR version. And when pulling a fat load like running out in 15 minutes the batteries are working very hard.

Bob

unless you literally DIY one, I don't know of any sold that keep the battery offline

DragonLord

The cheapest ones are actually offline. These cannot correct for over/undervoltage or otherwise filter the input.

Bob

@DragonLord never seen any

I don't think they even sell them here

the absolute cheapest no-brand ones are line-interactive

DragonLord

This is the UPS I want for my future PC build: newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16842111478

Online double-conversion 1500VA / 1350W.

Very, very expensive, but provides the highest level of protection.

Bob

15:15

shrug I wouldn't bother

at a certain point, you're throwing money away for basically no additional benefit

DragonLord

Double-conversion has the advantage of zero switchover time as the inverter is always running, seamlessly switching to battery if the power goes out or if there is a brownout.

Psycogeek

The statement Online , is about there being no quick switching involved, as the curcuit stuff is always providing the power?

DragonLord

It also provides full isolation from the input power supply.

Psycogeek

That probably also means the conversion stuff can cope with continual use. which became a concideration when doing crasy stuff like trying to run it on solar.

Some people were saying that a general UPS was not really designed for hours of operation.

DragonLord

@Psycogeek The inverter is always running. During normal operation, it takes the input power, rectifies it, puts it through the inverter unit, and outputs power from the inverter.

Bob

15:19

@DragonLord again, negligible benefit. it's better on paper, but in practical situations you won't notice a difference apart from extreme edge cases

DragonLord

When the power goes out, it just switches seamlessly to the battery.

Zero switchover time.

Psycogeek

A good regulated one, covers up and down and off just fine, it is the wholy cheap ones that wont.

Bob

considering power issues occurring ~1x per year, and considering battery replacement costs, it's simply not worth it unless you have very dirty power

and even then a line-interactive will do just fine

@DragonLord good on paper, no difference in the real world

not for home equipment

if you were running a bunch (emphasis on bunch) of servers, maybe, but then you wouldn't be buying a tiny home unit

Psycogeek

It is this new PFC thing that is worrysome, because all this converted stuff is not a perfect sine wave like is created with the generators that originate power , the problem with it is it doesnt handle even "modified sine" as created by digital switching ??

Or is the PFC problem it doesnt handle the usual cheap junk that we get sold

The PFC power supplies are probably "more digital" style to begin with, less magnetic transformer way more digital conversion?

Bob

@DragonLord You might find this APC white paper interesting.

The gist of it? In a home environment, with home equipment, online UPSes are recommended if your mains power fluctuates a lot.

Otherwise, they offer basically no advantage, with the disadvantages of cost and (potentaily) reliability and efficiency.

Tripp-Lite basically agrees: better if you have dirty mains.

Psycogeek

15:36

I want to try one , with golf cart batteries and solar :-) then it will be worth the price

Bob

(I find their claim of better lightning protection somewhat dubious, though. A direct lightning strike powerful enough to get through a line-interactive UPS and the isolation of the PSU itself is only going to be stopped by an online one in the edgiest of edge cases. Might as well put that extra money towards a new computer.)

Psycogeek

Once lightning does stuff like hop out of your wall socket , and jump to your toaster :-) there isnt a lot of ways to protect that. One might insure thier forgotten and forlorn grounding on the house is in place .

Every house i have been at, i had to fix the grounding rods, for things like (not important) gas main grounding

Oh we was going to get around to that :-)

Bob

@Psycogeek ...I should probably check that.

Actually, I have nfi where they even are in this house o.O

Psycogeek

We dont even get lightning here (much), but my new OTA antenna is setup

Bob

shrug the chance of getting hit by lightning...

again, it's not even worth worrying about

Psycogeek

15:44

It will sacrafice itself for the good of us all.

Bob

especially since there isn't much you can do

if lighting hits the power lines near your home, your equipment's fucked. simple as that.

surge protectors claiming to offer lightning protection? hah. laughable.

surge protectors are for "normal" mains surges. they cannot shunt nearly enough energy to prevent lightning damage

heck, fast-acting fuses aren't fast enough

Psycogeek

from superuser.com/questions/919146/…

Bob

@Psycogeek ahh, @JourneymanGeek's favourite plug type :P

Psycogeek

After that, first thing i would be doing is assessing the damage in great fear, not of complete electronics death, but of anything that became Flakey , and problematic and I didnt know what was wrong :-(

Bob

@Psycogeek the first thing I would be doing is making sure nothing caught fire!

Psycogeek

16:17

0

Q: Weird issue with Video card

I have set up a new computer which has on board video and an NVidia GT740. In the bios it is set to default to PCI Express for video and windows show the video card installed being the GT740. All the GT740 utilities work and show the CPU usage of the card in real time. Basically everything is wor...

Finnaly. Does anybody, like with a laptop or having used stuff like VIrtu , know how it works , and what software is used to jump the Frame Buffers when using a Desktop, but much like a laptop?

It sounds like , that is what is occuring here, GPU renders, on-die frame buffer outputs. But that is not "normal" for a desktop. I think there is some software i would not be caught dead using, that does that though.

Bob

@allquixotic There's really far too many modified sine wave UPSes, even the the midrange :S

Especially considering how prevalent PFC is now.

Psycogeek

. . . . hmmm if the user did not know that an onboard could always output video at post, and could run a compatability when booting. There is no indication here that the user EVER got the GPU card working in any way?

Bob

Sure, they might work if you're far below the capacity...

Though, there's an interesting one here that is modified sine but can cope with a 150% overload for 10 secs.

Nate Kerkhofs

16:47

Ugh, virtual mice can be so annoying, especially if they disable your touchpad and you don't have the mouse available

Psycogeek

superuser.com/questions/927175/… First I got a virus that even befuddeled the really good computer users. Then I got downvoted :-)

Nate Kerkhofs

Does anyone know if there's a way to remove a virtual mouse using a keyboard?

or at least disable it

if I can disable my Logitech Gaming Virtual mouse, my touchpad becomes usable again

Psycogeek

uhh how is a "virtual" mouse defined, i do not understand what makes it virtual? Is it a entity that you only imagine exists? Is it comming from another computer? Is it head gear , or touch screen that virtualises mouse input?

Nate Kerkhofs

So my problem is that my touchpad is disabled after a few seconds because my Logitech Gaming Software starts and creates a mouse. there is no other mouse connected

it creates this virtual mouse to add support for the extra buttons

however, this mouse even gets created when the logitech mouse isn't connected

so I currently have a situation where my touchpad is disabled because of a mouse that isn't connected

Psycogeek

that is odd, because potentially you can have many input devices running and capable of moving the mouse, even softwares untill they do hooks and redirection.

Nate Kerkhofs

16:56

which is quite annoying

I'm using an MSI laptop, they have a "feature" that disables the touchpad when another mouse is connected

and I've forgotten how to disable that feature

Psycogeek

ahh

Nate Kerkhofs

I'm going to eat, hard to think on an empty stomach

Psycogeek

So your choice is to disable the software for this unconnected mouse, or to find the switch that keeps disabling the touchpad.

I would bet that disabling the touchpad thing is already a SU question out there.

from superuser.com/questions/913983/…

so trying to find a similar switch like that around that area?

For the Software for the other mouse, i would probably make up a "toggle" batch that disabled (taskill) and re-enabled (start) that software and toss it in a shortcut button. Or if it is a service using that svc command thing, and trying to discover that service and stopping it.

net stop , net start is it.

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Nate Kerkhofs

okay, so it's not possible to disable a startup item in Windows 8.1 through the task manager if you only got a keyboard

and it doesn't appear in msconfig because it's not a service

Psycogeek

mouse keys?

Nate Kerkhofs

you mean the numpad as a mouse? sounds promising

allquixotic

or tab

Nate Kerkhofs

do you have a windows 8.1 machine?

or do you still use a 7?

allquixotic

17:44

I have both, but I'm on Windows 7 right now

Nate Kerkhofs

here's the problem: I can see the startup item

I can select it

Psycogeek

@NateKerkhofs it really sux to move around with mouse keys, but that has always been the backup method , when proper keyboard stuff is not implemented.

Nate Kerkhofs

but in order to use the "disable" button, I need to unselect the window

allquixotic

@Psycogeek even harder on a small keyboard where numpad keys are Fn + :)

Nate Kerkhofs

@Psycogeek how do you enable that?

allquixotic

17:45

@NateKerkhofs windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/…

Psycogeek

In the accessablity area

Nate Kerkhofs

btw, I'm using 2 computers right now, in case you're wondering how I managed to get here

@allquixotic that's for windows 7, but I'll try

allquixotic

should be the same; just search control panel for "mouse"

winkey + r, type control, enter, tab to the search bar, enter "mouse"

or "accessibility"

Nate Kerkhofs

well, I have enabled mouse keys, but I'm currently spamming 4 and it doesn't move anything

oh, wait, it does

one pixel at a time

how do you right-click using mouse keys?

found it, --

Psycogeek

It takes only a few minutes using mouse keys , , , before you find any freaking mouse to plug in instead :-)

Nate Kerkhofs

17:50

I could techinically use the mouse that I'm using for this computer

but that would mean crawling under my desk

Psycogeek

No spare?

Nate Kerkhofs

I'll see if I can find one

I finally found a mouse

now if I only I can remember what it was I was trying to do an hour ago that prompted me to open my laptop

allquixotic

#firstworldproblems

HackToHell

Blah I hve stupid 32 bit python isntalled

memory errors all the fukcing time

Nate Kerkhofs

then install X64 python

allquixotic

17:54

@HackToHell un-"isntall" it, then

HackToHell

And to change from 32 to 64 bit python have to redownload all the packages again from pip

And I have a lot of shit installed

#stupidcoderproblems

allquixotic

I don't know if I can legitimately claim that as a first-world problem, considering where you live O_O

Nate Kerkhofs

It's the only solution that's viable long-term

unless you can find a way to run X32 python using x64

HackToHell

Screw it, I'll fire up a vm at azure

allquixotic

why azure? more expensive than AWS

Nate Kerkhofs

17:56

he probably has an account on Azure, but not on AWS

also, it's probably his work account, so it's paid by the boss, not him

HackToHell

Yep, free credits ^_^

allquixotic

because you're a student?

HackToHell

Nope, msp thingy ( free MSDN)

Also the company I am interning at is a Bizspark startup

So they get credits too :D

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