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2:34 AM
lifehacker.com/… this looks handy
 
3:03 AM
Anyone here know of a way to emulate an older version of Ubuntu when running a program? I have an obnoxious installer that will only run on their "officially supported" Ubuntu versions.
 
3:26 AM
@WasabiFan It could be looking for completely arbitrary functionality. Is it some kind of a script, or a binary?
 
It's a binary, so I can't just edit out the check. I also checked its available command-line args and it doesn't have any --force (or similar) options.
My guess is that it is just checking the version number, and not actually finding incompatibilities.
 
@WasabiFan worst case you can strace it and see if it's opening anything simple like /etc/issue, and if so, take an /etc/issue from an older version of Ubuntu
it's a very trivially simple text file that gives the release name of the distro
 
OK; thanks for the tip! I'll try it out and see if that illuminates the issue.
 
strace -Ff -eopen ./whateverStupidBinary 2>&1 | grep issue
 
Bob
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Q: How can I intuitively understand gravity assists?

SF.For example: How should a spacecraft pass the Moon to reach escape velocity from Earth? How should it pass Venus for a slingshot towards Jupiter orbit? Conversely, to descend Venus to Mercury? Is there some intuitive way to explain what angle a probe needs to enter and leave a body's gravit...

Intuitively? Play Kerbal Space Program. — imallett 9 hours ago
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Bob
@allquixotic You should link him to that :P
I was going to make the KSP comment when I saw it in the hot questions list, but imallett beat me to it.
 
@all
@allquixotic looks like you were right
It's reporting a read from that file that you mentioned. Time to start messing with system files!
 
@WasabiFan Just sudo mv /etc/issue ${HOME} then find an /etc/issue from an earlier ubuntu
you can download the .tgz file there and extract it to get the old /etc/issue from it
if you need earlier than 12.04, replace "precise" with the release name of the version you need
 
Bob
@allquixotic I wonder if you can fake a single file for a single process.
Guess it's doable with chroot followed by symlinking everything but that one file, though that's a bit iffy.
 
@Bob you can write a custom libc and LD_PRELOAD it into the process and delegate every symbol to libc except for open(), and implement open() in a way that if it's the file you're looking for, actually open a different file, and return the fd
or if you want to completely go past userspace, you could actually use a cgroup namespace for it
 
Bob
3:43 AM
@allquixotic That assumes it's using libc, though.
@allquixotic I still don't really understand cgroups :P
Doesn't help with the whole getting lxd working thing.
 
@Bob the only way it wouldn't use system libc is if it statically linked its own, but that's brittle, especially if it depends on any other system libs
I guess if it could implement everything it needed in a way that is independent of any system libs (and not need any drivers to access graphics or sound), a statically linked binary could be distributable
 
Bob
@allquixotic There's technically no requirement to link libc at all :P
 
@Bob yeah, but if you're writing a binary that's supposed to run in Linux userspace, doing a freestanding compile would require you to implement the whole process management thing (process control block, signals, exit handling, console I/O, threads, etc) all on your own
I can see it linking to some other libc implementation like uClibc, but not no libc
 
@allquixotic I moved the one for vivid out, replaced it with the one for trusty, and wrote a little script to swap them -- the app seems to be happy with it. Thanks!
 
Bob
heh, that reminds me
 
3:49 AM
@WasabiFan And see, this is why apps should not attempt to detect the OS version, and should just try to work to the best of their ability. Whoever wrote that code ought to be fired on the spot.
 
Bob
one of the rumored reasons for MS choosing to name the next version Windows 10 was old programs testing for "Windows 9*" to catch 95 and 98.
 
@allquixotic You're going to love this... it's an installer for Nvidia's CUDA dev kit ;)
 
 
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6:28 AM
Blah goddamn phantom ssh sessions
I always seem to disconnect from a server right after I run something that puts stuff to stdout
Performance of a VBox vm in an Azure Basic A2 is horrrible^horrible
 
 
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8:11 AM
Both are ballpoints?
 
 
1 hour later…
9:23 AM
yes?
 
@Boris_yo well lets see both have balls at the point :-) both probably roll ink down, one of them could be a "roller ball". in the US (some classification of) "rollerball" type pens are runny inks more like a felt tip, but use ball points.
One seems to be of a fine tip, and the other looks like a medium tip, when is there ever a "large" tip i dont know :-)
 
@HackToHell: nested virtualisation is generally a bad idea
 
10:19 AM
 
10:59 AM
why does win 7 keep disconnecting from the LAN (ethernet)
I have 2 PCs lined up directly
and am using SMB to save files onto the win7 PC
so unreliable might as well just use a USB stick
 
is a very long term transfer of stuff ? so there can be sleeping going on? You know windows will still put a hard drive to sleep when a background task is still working with it.
 
its just single files (images)
 
They do make USB lap-link things , that are an interesting way to transfer data between 2 computers fully locally.
 
yeah there like usb crossover cables
 
You cant even get simple images across from machine to machine, because it disconnects while doing THAT?
 
11:07 AM
yeah
I cannot see any options so far on putting the disk to sleep
 
I was just using a referance, that things can sleep when they should not.
While it is disk sleep, it is more about the user key and mouse , that keeps it awake.
Is the connection wireless?
 
ok ive disabled sleep on the ethernet and HDD
its ethernet
though it could be using wifi without me knowing which is sort of annoying, no way to limit it to one connection
 
@snipe: windows will favour ethernet if its around.
How big a file? Is the connection generally unreliable for everything ?
 
oh thats cool
ive used it for roaming profile which sucks anyway and for file sharing
it could be an XP problem of a win7 problem but xp does not give any warnings that anything has disconnected
it still lets me save to the location as if its actually there when it isnt
my wifi keeps cuting out on win7 though
so I blame windows 7
 
@JourneymanGeek it does not work that way here, if i connect to wi-fi it starts doing the internet through that, instead of the ICS through the lan being like 50 times faster. and i never altered the metric, heck i never even looked at it :-)
 
11:19 AM
theres no bridging here
 
Both OSes have the little network icon thing that indicate if it is connected, but if the hardware itself was dropping out (way more common for usb) that will show up "live" when observing the device manager. One could use that to see if a hardware item is departing.
 
xp always shows the ethernet as 'limited or no connectivity'
I dont know why
win7 shows it as fine
actually no it says no network access for ip v 4 and v6
at the minute anyway
I bet it will still connect over fine
 
(limited) because it is not set-up fully, even though things may still work, because it does not reach the microsoft server (internet) it will not show "internet" which doesnt have a lot to do with talking between 2 of them locally.
 
so its normal for it to say that
 
I think normal for when there is no internet access, or working proper, to the internet.
 
11:28 AM
it looks like xp trying to automatically auth with a blank password sometimes
as it says incorrect password when I click on the share
theres no network passwords saved in keymgr though
weird
maybe its a registry setting
 
when you click on the little icon for net it should show you What your connected through/to , if you question it being wired or wireless.
 
ive turned wifi off just now
ill just disable file sharing on wifi
yes its using ethernet now and probably was before
 
so back at the start, what are you doing when that happens? what kind of work, or play are you transferring the file? sporatic single moves? transferring? How big are the files ? how are the 2 computers connected? router thing? which means what? switch between them?
 
im saving screen dumps in MSpaint there being saved to \\win7\c$
there connected by a switch
the files are a few kilobytes
200 to 700 kb
\\win7\c$\users\administrator\documents\screendumps\more
 
11:49 AM
so if such a tiny file doesnt make it , there is a whole connectivity problem? because at first you make it sound like it starts copying stuff then fails. when it is likely it never began? That is looks like it starts copying with a visual window, but nothing made it to the other side?
 
well if it disconectes which is has done twice now it still shows up in the save dialog box and lets me save there however it does not make it to the other pc then if I try to open it it says file not found
so yeah
but theres no warnings from the network adapter
 
when u say it works in 7 and not xp, are these two different computers?
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yes
ive just disabled caching but I doubt that was causing anything baf
bad
 
as a test you could try a Win PE on the xp comp that said limited.
see if you can ping google (if you can it means it's not "limited" connectivity)
you can make a win pe here this great video by britec youtube.com/watch?v=E0eslpRmznE
happens to be a win7 pe but anyway
 
being a net lamer, and not ever turning on sharing, i would want to ping the other computer too (here that would mean also allowing a ping) and see what it says.
 
11:56 AM
you can try it on the machine that currently runs xp. Boot a Win PE from usb.
that helps too.. The Win PE test would help test if it's an issue at the OS level or at the network adapter level.
 
I may have to wait till I have more time but ok
xp is desktop 7 is laptop btw
 
oh great.. so you could even try getting a cheap replacement ethernet card if you want, and trying that as well.
 
hmm
 
12:20 PM
so daughter put my phone in the washing basket
you can guess the rest.
 
12:42 PM
You replaced your daughter?
 
so... is your phone waterproof?
 
It still had a bit of trouble in the dryer :-)
 
12:58 PM
It just needed a better AI Siri: Help me! I observed a tiny person on my camera after a triggerring of my accelerometer, then found myself in patterns of textiles of cotten and polyester with my camera, then things went dark. I messaged the first person in your contacts list , but the police did not respond. So i fired up the GPS and began to send tracking data to loseyourphone.com after making an account there.
 
Hmm, if I ever have children I might call them Siri.
That way when I am old and semi-senile I can go "Siri, fetch me a cup of tea!"
 
Siri: then I started beeping , but your wife thought it was the coffee maker, because a direct link showed 6 cups being entered there, then the refridgerator told me she grabbed some cream. When that did not work, i turned the heat up in the house, and opened the garage door, which would cause them to walk by the utility room and see me. But the heat caused even more textiles to be dropped on me as indicated by the pressure sencors.
 
1:14 PM
bbs
 
Siri: Out of desperation i messaged your best friend and told him his wife was cheating on him , and to call you. Then called the dispatcher to send an ambulance to your house, this was after all an emergency. When that did not work i sent a death threat to the president , telling them the gun was in the laundry. Then i cleaned out your bank account because they might get the clue that you are "laundering" money and would look there.
Siri: I could see the end comming for me, so I linked wirelessly to your SmartMeter and shut off the power to your house. Then linked to the water districts computer and re-routed the mainline into the sewer.
Siri: after the power came back on, there was nothing else i could think of, and Siri is very sorry that there was a nuclear meltdown at the power plant, but you should next time concider Siris feelings.
 
1:48 PM
Siri: Siri would also suggest you call the CDC and the WHO and have that quarentine lifted on your house, explaining that there was not a breakout of bubonic plauge there. . . and Have A Nice Day.
 
Bob
2:05 PM
???
That's one big memory leak.
 
@Bob There's usually 2 or 3 like that
 
Bob
@HackToHell That's even worse!
 
Stupid spotify -_-
Have to keep restarting it
 
 
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Bob
4:36 PM
oh nice
FF Beta has 64-bit now
 
4:52 PM
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Q: Guidance: editing question to reveal intent by removing author's obvious understanding, (or any reader's understanding)

DaaBossI had my edits rejected, which to me at least, clearly showed the questioner's intent at: http://superuser.com/review/suggested-edits/389619 The edits were rejected with the boilerplate, "This edit deviates from the original intent of the post ...", and "... actively harm readability." Seeming...

 
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Q: attempt to index field '' (a nil value)

Lucaro2708i was trying to run this script done by SethBling, but it gives me this error: LuaInterface.LuaScriptException: DP1.state LuaInterface.LuaScriptException: [string "main"]:337: attempt to index field 'neurons' (a nil value) This is the code

I get the exact same shit ._.
 
 
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6:52 PM
New Idea , add "colorful" to all your searches google.com/… Way to brighten up your day :-)
see what you can find laughingsquid.com/… I want to be the people in the bottom picture, Paid to go around the country with a display case with Colorful . . . poop.
 
 
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9:12 PM
Mornin' all!
 
9:23 PM
Good morning Mr. Frank, your mission if you decide to accept it is to wake up and enjoy the day, this message will self destruct in 5 seconds. Oh wait it's your computer that will self destruct.
 
Bob
10:08 PM
:D
FF 39 64-bit beta, running a leaky webapp overnight: it hasn't crashed yet! :D
That's 4.1 GB commit btw
32-bit is limited to 3 GB commit when large address aware.
 
I feel like IE does that here at work.
It doesn't actually take up all the RAM, but if you leave it on overnight it'll be unbearably slow in the morning.
 
10:27 PM
Isn't it about time for some genius to make a browser that the main feature is the programming is solid and doesn't leak, and the add-ons all have to be certified leak-free. Ooops sorry bad joke :-) everyone knows we just want more features .
Same thing with the windows OS, yes I would pay for a "new" version that only cleaned up and optomised what was there, changing nothing else. Proof? I paid money for every SP2 (type) disk before, to have the Fixed version of the thing. There IS a market, I am it.
Why I have to pay for this new stuff is a terrible quandry, they toss out everything I did like and learned to use, and put in stuff that I cannot figure how I would use, or do not like. Then claimed to have streamlined a few things , but there is zero evidence of any reductions, or simplifications. only more complex "stuff" that never helped before.
Some of the consumer things put into the newer win OS sound rather scary even. Like when overclocking , well your going to crash a bit here and there :-) the older systems you could always calm the system down , and explain that it was not the fault. The new system start flailing its arms around , running around in circles and screaming, with no way to bitch slap it , and lock it in a cage for a while.
 
10:49 PM
@Psycogeek Ya know, some of the time I have no idea wtf you're talking about. ;)
 
sanity will do that.
Review the entire windows registry a few times , your sanity will take leave.
There is just some stuff humans were not meant to see.
 
Bob
11:18 PM
@MichaelFrank Oh, it's not slow at all.
@Psycogeek It's not the browser that's leaking.
It's the webapp.
Horribly leaky webapp.
Refreshing the page is enough to clean up most of that.
 
Should seen the mess IE made of html5 video viewing for me this week. Youtube videos ended up stacked on on top of the other ?? like how does that even happen. Then If i did not pause them they would be playing in the background. I was moving really fast between videos , at some point there were 4 audios still sounding off and 2 stacked videos playing.
(i know it was not flash, because I still have not installed it)
I think some of it relates to why the iexplore.exe processes stay hanging around even after the browser is closed.
 

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