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7:11 PM
New laptop coming in two days
 
@DragonLord You wanted strong desktop, no?
 
@Boris_yo No, it'll replace my old HP laptop
 
@DragonLord What model is old?
 
System named Wyvern: AMD Phenom II X4 N930 quad core processor 2.0 GHz, Mobility Radeon HD 5650, 8 GB memory, 640 GB 5400 RPM hard drive
 
@DragonLord Do you see product specifications on this page? h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/…
 
7:20 PM
The HP laptop served me well through three years of extensive use. It's been left on overnight, day in day out, running Folding@home while I'm surfing the Web, doing my college work, or when it's otherwise not used for gaming
 
7:30 PM
@DragonLord I assume your are doing medical degree?
@DragonLord Are these specifications of old HP laptop?
 
@Boris_yo No, computer science
@Boris_yo Yes, and it's not keeping up with newer games
It's about 3-1/2 years old
It was a great system at the time, but when I finally got around to installing Steam and bought my first modern game, Need for Speed: Hot Pursuit (2010), the frame rates were barely playable at best.
 
0
Q: Is there software which can delete my unused programs

forsubhiI am wondering if there is an application which can check my program and tell me which are the program that I am not using so I can delete them easily.

 
wow
 
7:47 PM
The stuff you find through flags...
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A: What's the proper name of that symbol to collapse/expand nodes in a directory tree?

Oliver SalzburgThe Microsoft UX Guide mentions these UI elements in the section about Progressive disclosure controls. The element shown in your screenshot is amazingly named rotating triangle. Their counterparts are named plus and minus controls: Both elements are also discussed in more detail on later pag...

 
@OliverSalzburg outstanding answer! TIL
 
@allquixotic The Microsoft UX Guide is an awesome read ;D
 
@allquixotic: New laptop coming in two days.
I'm going to be very busy setting it up on Monday...
 
@OliverSalzburg something with "Microsoft" in the title is never an "awesome" read; I'd much rather read the GNOME HIG.
 
:D
It's 700 pages of "How to build stuff for Windows without fucking up the UX"
I'm the only person that has ever read it
 
7:51 PM
Is UX really that complicated?
 
@OliverSalzburg is it just me, or is the uniqueness and usefulness of a program's "under the hood" functionality inversely related to the quality of its UX?
so many programs with amazing functionality on Win32 that have breathtakingly horrendous UI
 
@DragonLord Short answer: yes :D
 
D'oh! There's an entire SE site for it. User Experience
 
@allquixotic Does that include SUPER(C)?
 
UX is complicated, and unless you have people who are able to solve UX quandaries time-efficiently, you can end up either turning out an awful UI, or having your project ship late (or not at all) due to UI problems
I can't tell you how many times I'm writing a program and I have the underlying functionality working 100%, but I can't figure out a solution to a very stumping UX problem
 
7:54 PM
My favorite part of the guide :P
 
@slhck nice example :D
 
@allquixotic It's my favorite UX test. Find the download link for SUPER.
 
@slhck Bah!
 
I see @OliverSalzburg already knows it :P
 
Download, Download, Download, ... wtf? Am I clicking in circles?
 
7:55 PM
Apple always tries to make things simple, but often to the point where they lose valuable technical information. Here's an example of a UX decision I don't like:
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Q: "Millions of colors" vs "24-bit": should technical concepts be simplified to ease understanding at the cost of precision?

DragonLordMacs indicate 24-bit color depth by using the term "millions of colors", while Windows calls it "24-bit" or "32-bit". (I'm aware that Windows "32-bit" color simply adds an alpha channel that doesn't really add anything to the color gamut, but eases the display of transparent objects.) While the...

 
@DragonLord Heh.. I've always wondered what they were thinking there.
 
I guess they can't change their advertising until they surpass millions of colors to billions or trillions
they'll be in a comprehension quandary when they get to 64-bit color though
128-bit... god help you
billion-billion-billion-billion-billions of colors?
oh god, i just dreamed up an apple commercial using licensed music
"b-b-b-b-b-baby, i'm, bad to the bone"
then b-b-b-b-b-b-billions of colors
Tim Cook, if you steal this idea, you owe me a b-b-b-b-billion dollars
 
8:12 PM
@allquixotic That sounds more like a stunt Microsoft would pull.
 
We would need to upgrade the human eyeball mk1 first. It falls short of discerning 16 mil colours
 
@slhck Oh you're close to 100k net rep
 
@OliverSalzburg Haha, yeah, I haven't found a lot of time to answer stuff though, lately
 
Should we really answer homework questions for people?
 
8:17 PM
Why not?
The question is if the actual question is a good one.
 
I was referring to a specific one.. lemme find it..
 
(Yes, there are good homework questions, we just don't get too many of them…)
 
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Q: routing table, ip address for outgoing packet

Sariksa ThapaNetwork Destination Netmask Gateway Interface 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 192.168.2.1 192.168.2.8 127.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 On-link 127.0.0.1 127.0...

.. ones like that that don't even try to do anything
If he's like "hey, I am pretty sure it goes like this because of this, is this right?" or some effort I wouldn't mind
 
I'd -1 that, explain why, and give an answer that helps the OP help themselves, not just the full answer they'd expect.
 
I don't know enough about networking yet to do that, I only just read about routing tables
else I would
 
8:20 PM
@allquixotic you around?
 
Yeah, if you have no answer that's fine too, of course. You can't blame those answering either.
 
@allquixotic I'm trying to run a 2nd instance in another room, but I'm getting replies from both instances: Aviation Chat Bot Testing
wonder if you have any ideas?
got it working..... had to make its main room (in startpjs.sh) the testing one, then summon it to the main aviation room
 
Is the part "the purpose of setting ASA to auth.." in the last para supposed to be a quote? I didn't get any results from that on Google but the formatting in the editor is weird around it
 
@ekaj What are you referring to?
 
... yeah, I should probably include the question
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Q: Windows 2012 Radius : "resolves to local address"

blendedIn an attempt to set up Radius Service in Windows Server 2012 (first time I have touched a Windows Server, going through tutorials) I am getting the following error when I check Event Viewer -> System: "The address of remote Radius server 'my computer name' in remote RADIUS server group Microsoft...

260 bucks to ask for a support request about Windows Server 2012, nope
 
8:44 PM
@ekaj Uh, no idea what they meant there.
 
9:07 PM
@DannyBeckett you can probably just run one instance, and use the !!summon command (deleted from my repo but in Zirak's)
 
yeah that's what I did in the end
had to make its startpjs.sh room one that I was an owner of first though
rather than the room it's meant to be in
:)
 
9:49 PM
Aaaand that's what my parents call organization.
 
It seems consistent
 
I mean, you can never have too many backups right?
 
@JourneymanGeek Fuck no, we are not. :)
As I once said on Server Fault: "use RAID5. That will let you keep a lot of diskspace which you can use for your backups"
I think that was my most starred message ever.
@slhck Why not send them mail with an attached file called "copy of a copy of a copy from a copy of ...oh, I forgot.exe.jpg" ?
 
@Hennes As a test if they learned how to deal with unknown attachments?
 
Attachements done easy. Add this signature to outlook "begin 666 c:\autoexec.batman ^m end^m"
foutlook used to auto-save those.
Yo Boris. Still ruling Russia ?
 
10:08 PM
@DragonLord You call that old? This is old: h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/…
 
10:29 PM
My best wireless internet speed is updated:
 
@Boris_yo Is this what you're working with?
 
@DragonLord No but it was my first even lappy.
@DragonLord 6-year old? 8-year old.
 
@Boris_yo Whoops, misread the year
A spec sheet is not available for my laptop because it's a custom build (notice the letters CTO--Configure to Order)
 
@DragonLord I still keep it because no one would buy it,
@DragonLord How much you want for it?
 
@Boris_yo Not interested in selling it
 
10:36 PM
@DragonLord Not interested in selling?
 
I'm keeping it as a backup
 
@DragonLord Gonna make server out of it?
One must have 2 laptops for flexibility.
 
Still works, after all. It might end up festering in the corner of my office, but you never know...
What if one of the systems goes out of service?
I've still got a lot of stuff on this system, and it will probably be several months before the Wyvern is completely decommissioned
 
@DragonLord Can you make Homegroup connection successfully between old and to be bought laptop? I have problems with mine.
 
@Boris_yo I'm not familiar with HomeGroups or home networking in general.
I might hook up the two systems with an Ethernet cable for high-speed data transfer, though
 
10:50 PM
@DragonLord I have Ethernet 100 and speed is 12MB/s. Actually my newer laptop has Gigabit Ethernet.
 
It should be easy as mapping the system partition of the Wyvern as a network drive on the Dragon
\\WYVERN\C$
@Boris_yo: Wondering what the specs of the Dragon are?
 
@DragonLord What Dragon? Is it codename?
 
Dragon is a Dell R300 with a Xeon 3363, 24MiB RAM and two 15k SAS drives
 
No, no
 
(My own 1U server answers to the hostname dragon-mk5)
 
10:57 PM
@Boris_yo: It's the coming laptop
 
@DragonLord HP?
 
@Boris_yo It's a Sager NP8255-S
Core i7-4800MQ, GeForce GTX 780M, 8 GB memory, 750 GB 7200 RPM hard drive, Windows 8.1 Pro
$2173 with three-year warranty
 
@DragonLord Only gamers need such laptop
 
Bob
 
@Boris_yo ...and I'm getting this laptop precisely because the Wyvern can't handle newer games well
 
11:07 PM
@DragonLord Why you use laptop for gaming and not desktop?
@Bob Looks like you are low on RAM man.
 
@Boris_yo It's meant as a full replacement for my HP system, not merely a complement to it. There will be a long transition period as I migrate everything to the Dragon, but the Wyvern will be phased out.
 
Bob
@Boris_yo nope
75% usage, which is perfectly fine
 
After all these years of gaming, #Crysis is by far the most realistic game I have ever played--but it's barely running at Low on my laptop!
@Bob That's kinda high
Remember that you can use a memory card or flash drive for ReadyBoost to speed up disk accesses
 
Bob
@DragonLord heh, I've just revisited SR3 and the graphics are actually pretty nice. especially when you grab a jet and swoop over the water.
@DragonLord that's 2 GB free/cache
75% usage of 8 GB is perfectly fine
 
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Q: Disable "Do you want to change the color scheme to improve performance?" warning

William Lawn StewartSometimes this dialog box will pop up (see screenshot below). Every time it appears I select "Keep the current color scheme, and don't show this message again". Windows then reminds me again -- either the next day or after reboot, or sometimes another 5 minutes later. Do you want to change ...

 
Bob
11:11 PM
@OliverSalzburg I can just click the last option :P
it's just an interesting message
@DragonLord no need
 
@Bob You'd thank that...
 
@Bob That's still a bit much. The Wyvern usually doesn't have more than 5 GB allocated (out of 8 GB).
 
Bob
not to mention, the whole concept of caching the HDD on a flash drive is jsut stupid, IMO
 
@Bob Not familiar with Saints Row
 
Bob
a flash drive has marginally faster random, and the sequential speeds are often an order of magnitude lower
@DragonLord 75% of 8 GB is 6 GB
and it's still plenty of breathing room
this isn't a server
this is my desktop machine, which I'm actively using
also, the 75% figure is more (private working set)/(physical ram)
 
11:13 PM
The message is triggered by low VRAM not RAM if I'm not mistaken
 
Bob
i.e. there's enough room to fit it all in physical, but it probably pages off at least half of it
there's absolutely no problem with even 80% usage
it's at 90% that paging gets aggressive
@OliverSalzburg eh.
there's 1 GB on the card, and up to 4 GB shared
it's just not very happy about rendering SR3 on ultra settings and fullscreen and a second monitor on the Windows desktop at the same time
there's no noticeable performance issues
just whatever method they're using to measure it is tripping up
 
Every since I moved to my 3 screen setup, I get that issue daily
I don't really understand it though
 
@Bob Then just cache randomly accessed small files but use HDD for sequentials.
 
I just restart the composition service all the time :P
 
@OliverSalzburg You mean UxSms?
 
11:20 PM
@DragonLord Yeah
 
Bob
@Boris_yo why is everyone telling me to cache random crap?
I don't even have a problem here. I just find that message interesting.
trying to cache crap on a flash drive sounds horribly unreliable and slow
I'm not even objecting to that message - my ears (those fans are loud) and feet (that air is hot!) are telling me that the GPU is working near or at capacity
 
Well, a flash drive can be a lot faster than a HDD.
Example: Two 10K RPM 2.5 inch SAS drives maxing out at 5MiB/sec on random access, while some flash drives can do that three-four times as fast.
Or more, I never tested random IO on my throttle flash drive (seq. read is about 90MiB/second when that flash drive is connected via eSATA and somewhere near 20-30MiB/sec when connected via USB2)
 
Odd--I've never had an issue with the Desktop Window Manager even when the Wyvern is driving three monitors (4098x768).
 
And the 5MB/sec on high performance HDD was a real life measurement when writing 30(!) simulaneous videostreams to a disk while reading 5 of them.
 
I run Aero with everything enabled without a hitch whatsoever.
 
11:24 PM
Someone underspecced a security server and called me because it was 'too slow'
 
@DragonLord I think it is due to the fact that 2 screens are connected to the discrete card and one is connected to the onboard graphics
 
@Hennes Huh--so you have a rackmount server because you're using it for CCTV?
Not that I would expect to have to do something like this in the near future
 
T had one 32 bit (!) server which should scale up to 80 camera's. (80 record, 80 analyse for motion, show up to five of them where motion was detected).
That one got tested without a proper HW cached RAID card and with a single server.
And with security software which did not run on x64.
and 20 test camera's
No ram to cache the information. Just write 20 streams to disk now now now now.... Pretty much killed performance
 
@Hennes Is this CCTV system installed in some business establishment?
 
Rotterdam harbour
Well, the updated version is installed there.
 
11:50 PM
@Boris_yo I'm liking evernote so far
 
@Hennes practically a posterchild for a array of SSDs ;p
 
Aye.
 

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