Root Access

allquixotic

15:00

@JourneymanGeek do Singaporean schnauzer-corgis celebrate Christmas?

Journeyman Geek

>_>

allquixotic

or is it schanzer-huskie

Journeyman Geek

I am not a corgi.

allquixotic

sorry >_>

totally embarrassed now

Anonymous

<_<

Journeyman Geek

15:00

westie-schnauzer officially

allquixotic

I keep forgetting the westie part :P

Anonymous

@ChatBotJohnCavil i͈̺̲̣̺͎̼ͥn͉̘͍̪ͭ́ͩ̍v̞̩̫͇̮o̿k͋ͦ̈́̂ͨ͌͐͠ę̩̺̱́̽ ̡̐̿̋̌z͕̭̫͓̥̫͊ͬ̃a̵͓̼͉̠̖͍͉̓́̌ͬl̪̖̭̅ͪ̐͑͆̏̕g̬͎̩̗͕̤ͬ̎̿̒͂ͨo̖̘̰͎̥͡

allquixotic

anyway, do Singaporean westie-schnauzers celebrate Christmas?

Journeyman Geek

I personally don't ;p

allquixotic

aha

Journeyman Geek

15:01

@allquixotic: we have no idea of the paternity of my canine alter-ego.

we just picked a likely, flat approved breed ;p

Braiam

O_O

Journeyman Geek

(though, our apartment dosen't fall under public housing dog rules)

allquixotic

@Bob you have commit rights to my fork of chatbot; any chance you can merge in Zirak's commits (accept his version of master.js) and ~/dev/reload.sh?

Journeyman Geek

@Braiam: that there's approved breeds?

Gowtham

@PatoSáinz Do you have the link to that sitw which generates this stuff ?

allquixotic

15:02

bonus points if you're able to git push the changes out to my fork

Anonymous

@Gowtham search for zalgo text

Anonymous

HE COMES

allquixotic

@PatoSáinz are you kidding? he's here! hell, he's been here for several years.

Anonymous

@allquixotic i'll fork all your dongles for you (inb4 fired because of sexist jokes)

allquixotic

it's just a matter of time until the center stops holding

Gowtham

15:04

> The driver has detected that device \Device\Harddisk0\DR0 has predicted that it will fail. Immediately back up your data and replace your hard disk drive. A failure may be imminent.

How bad is that ^ ?

Bob

@allquixotic huh

uhm, ok

Gowtham

SMART says that the disk is okish

Bob

(I'll probably do the merging on my own machine)

allquixotic

14 mins ago, by Bob

I have some time now, but I forgot what it was -_-

...if not, don't worry about it

Bob

just trying to find the folder I put that stuff in

allquixotic

15:05

it should work fairly well with the Github app for Windows (the new one)

Bob

@allquixotic I use Git Extensions

allquixotic

ah. well then XD

Journeyman Geek

@Gowtham: is this a system drive/anything with anything important?

Anonymous

@Gowtham do not believe in predictions

allquixotic

the github app is nice because it doesn't use or need any public keys

it asks you for your github password; remembers it; and then uses that password as a credential to push over https

it's pretty sweet really

Gowtham

15:06

@JourneymanGeek nope, it's not my computer

friend's lappy

Bob

@allquixotic Git Extensions/msysgit can use HTTPS too

allquixotic

@Bob yeah, but it asks you for your username and password each time

Bob

@allquixotic you can save them

it only asked once for me

though I prefer SSH anyway

allquixotic

hm

Journeyman Geek

@Gowtham: what make?

Bob

15:07

just haven't got it set up on this machine

allquixotic

eh, it's very samey in the end because they have access to all the crypto algs' vulnerabilities/backdoors anyway

may as well push over http

Gowtham

@JourneymanGeek Vista, don't know any other details :/

it has a 250 gig HDD

Journeyman Geek

@Gowtham: it probably failed an internal test by some software put in by the OEM. Its good enough for a warranty replacement, and/or the drive might keep running in the short run.

Anonymous

@Gowtham vista means DEATH

allquixotic

hopefully it's still under warranty

@PatoSáinz actually, I'd take a fully patched Vista over XP any day of the week

it's not a terrible OS anymore

Journeyman Geek

15:09

vista? Not likely due to age

Anonymous

@allquixotic it still means DEATH

allquixotic

the only gripe I have with Vista at this point is that it doesn't have any build of IE 10 or 11 that works with it... I've been keeping up with my upgrades so that I have the latest IE, not that I use it terribly often, but Steam and other programs really get a kick out of opening up IE regardless of my default browser

Bob

@JourneymanGeek ...Steam never opens IE for me

Gowtham

hmm it is preceded by

> An error was detected on device \Device\Harddisk1\DR1 during a paging operation.

allquixotic

so it was trying to page in/out something to the page file and failed... wonder if it was an ATA transfer failure or a filesystem error

if it went bad at the FS layer, you could probably run chkdsk

Anonymous

15:13

@allquixotic ?!?!

Anonymous

steam opening IE, lol @ you

allquixotic

@PatoSáinz well, I have my browser set to FF, but things like Hearthstone, Steam and Starcraft 2 like to open IE whenever I click a link :S (although Steam usually displays stuff in the built-in webkit whenever I click a link within the Steam Store)

Gowtham

wow, the guy plugs in his external HDD and according to smart data it's in a worse state than his internal HDD

So much for backing up to the external HDD

Anonymous

lo

Gowtham

And that error(page file)refers to his external one (HardDisk1) while the internal one which is about to fail(according to windows) is hardDisk0

allquixotic

15:17

@Gowtham people run the most degraded stuff, I swear. a bad sector or two is nothing to worry about usually, but people try and get the last few minutes of life out of a seriously dying HDD -_- and it sucks

Journeyman Geek

lol

Gowtham

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic; I'm trying to kill one of mine ;p

@Gowtham: thats bad

you have bad sectors, and your HDD can't do anything about it.

allquixotic

one thing is for sure: in my RAID-0 array, the very second I start to see any sort of pre-failure indicators, I'm buying a new set of disks and telling it "now you're RAID-10; do a copy"

Gowtham

sigh where do I tell him to backup now :P

allquixotic

15:18

actually I should probably do that now

would work nicely for read performance regardless

@Gowtham to The Cloud? unless his upstream is about 10 KB/s

slhck

@Utkarsh Why are you using another account to post your question?

allquixotic

uh oh; now a mod's onto him :D

slhck

I'm just curious.

As long as you're not banned, you can have as many accounts as you want.

allquixotic

@slhck pretty sure he's question banned -- in fact, a week or two ago, he confessed that he is using his sister's account, because his true original account was banned to some extent (question banned? chat banned? I don't know specifically)

I'd have to dig up the message though

Braiam

wut?

slhck

15:22

@allquixotic You don't have to, I could check ;)

Bob

@allquixotic status-no-repro

allquixotic

Dec 17 at 4:46, by Utkarsh

this account is not mine

Bob

ugh

Braiam

hgu

Bob

@allquixotic sorry if this sounds dumb - how should I pull ignoring current changes to the master.js files?

this is on your server; I've already merged on the remote

Braiam

15:24

pull specific commits?

Bob

I guess I could just git reset it

Braiam

wait, what??

Bob

error: Your local changes to the following files would be overwritten by merge:
        master.js
        master.min.js
Please, commit your changes or stash them before you can merge.

allquixotic

@Bob well, first of all, run git stash. then, you pull, and it tells you "panic! master.js has changed and idk how to fix it!" and then you git checkout --theirs master.js then git commit --all then git push --all

so:

Hennes

Bah, I return from shopping and I find a rep capped account.

Journeyman Geek

15:25

lol

Hennes

Now what shall I do? Go on a down-vote spree ?

Journeyman Geek

this is good no?

Braiam

meh, I need to repcap... only hat apart of marauder I know I will not get

Bob

@allquixotic I've already done the merge

allquixotic

git stash
git pull github.com/Zirak/SO-ChatBot
git checkout --theirs master.js
git commit --all
#write a commit message, Ctrl+x, y, enter
git push --all

Bob

15:25

it's already in your github repo

Hennes

Aye. It has been a while though.

Bob

I don't want to commit anything

allquixotic

@Bob oh, OK :D in that case just git stash

GFSE

gemsfromstackexchange: 14 year old wants to be a vampire.

posted on December 24, 2013

14 year old wants to be a vampire.

Bob

@allquixotic and discard the stashed files after?

Gowtham

15:26

@allquixotic His upload speed is too slow :P

allquixotic

@Bob nah, you can leave them, I don't care

it really doesn't matter

Bob

k :P

might as well reset then, I guess

Braiam

@GFSE okey

allquixotic

!!tell 12817889 hv

ChatBot John Cavil

allquixotic

15:27

that's how you become a vampire at 14

Journeyman Geek

lol

allquixotic

@Bob that's fine too.. git reset --hard master.js should do it... then just git pull (the remote is my branch) and cd ..; ./reload.sh

reload takes care of restarting the bot and building master.js

Journeyman Geek

for some reason, some part of me expects that to be a sparkly animated gif

2

allquixotic

and copying master.js from SO-ChatBot to so-chatbot-driver

Bob

@allquixotic yea, all done

!!info

allquixotic

15:28

sweet

Bob

hmm

!!info

ChatBot John Cavil

@Bob I awoke on Tue, 24 Dec 2013 15:28:52 GMT (that's about 17 seconds ago), learned 48 commands

Bob

there we go

allquixotic

!!help meme

ChatBot John Cavil

@allquixotic meme: Return a simple meme link. /meme memeName

Bob

15:29

..we really should add version numbers

OH

I remember!

allquixotic

:D

Bob

was going to remove listcommands pagination!

allquixotic

o rite. well I already semi-enhanced listcommands with natural number pagination

!!listcommands

ChatBot John Cavil

@allquixotic help, listen, eval, coffee, live, die, refresh, forget, ban, unban, info, choose, user, listcommands, parse, tell, afk, awsm, color, convert, define, domain, findcommand, forgetseen, github, google, hang, inhistory, jquery, learn, test, why, ok, hello, friday, after5, theanswer, caution, nicethings, europe, goaway, status, idk, thatword, poptart, routertroubleshooting, networkingproblem, meta, rlemon, no, foxno, yes, orlmente, fixit, uio, taytaytay, ping, maybe, say (page 1/2)

allquixotic

!!listcommands 2

ChatBot John Cavil

15:30

@allquixotic facepalm, hv, ohhh, whocares, snore, toostupid, bababababat, plz, whee, lol, sudo, beatingbloodoutofarockwithascythe, test1, ittts, gates, potato, pissed, evil, ohmy, mdn, meme, mustache, norris, nudge, spec, stat, stats, timer, todo, undo, urban, weather, welcome, wiki, xkcd, youtube, zalgo (page 2/2)

Bob

lol

but pagination is totally unnecessary in the first place

allquixotic

true

Bob

O.O

!!info beatingbloodoutofarockwithascythe

ChatBot John Cavil

@Bob Command beatingbloodoutofarockwithascythe, created by Braiam on Sat, 07 Dec 2013 13:11:58 GMT but hasn't been used yet

allquixotic

i wonder if their markdown decoding takes care of formatting in eye messages

Bob

15:30

???

allquixotic

oh right, thigh was removed

Bob

@allquixotic it's been removed

allquixotic

!!beatingbloodoutofarockwithascythe

ChatBot John Cavil

Hennes

Just how many hats are there?

Bob

15:31

@Hennes over 9000

allquixotic

it's the under construction gif from web 0.1

i came up with the "reinterpretation" of that image, "that looks like someone beating blood out of a rock with a scythe"

which led to Braiam defining that command

teamwork™

Braiam

Nov 16 at 3:25, by allquixotic

!!learn beatingbloodoutofarockwithascythe https://i.sstatic.net/G1pTU.gif

cough

allquixotic

oh right, you redefined it with <>

Journeyman Geek

Blame where blame is due?

allquixotic

whatevs bro. still teamwork™

is it sad that i have these alt codes memorized ™®Þ§

=-Þ used to be my standard smiley emoticon

back in the Diablo 1 B.Net days

Journeyman Geek

15:34

;p is mine.

(cause happy mutts tend to stick their tongues out ;p)

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek I know, and your frequent use of it has led me to be compelled to mimic it :P monkey see monkey do

Bob

@allquixotic I just take a quick trip to google

allquixotic

kinda like how if I talk to someone with an accent for a very long time I will gradually take on their accent

Bob

@JourneymanGeek I just use :P :P

Braiam

I use the classic "meh"

Bob

15:35

bleh.

allquixotic

I should maybe consider using (: because it's very unconventional

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: capital Ps need more keystrokes ;p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Not when you have caps lock!

allquixotic

i know a person who types capital letters by using caps lock -- they never hit the shift keys "because it doesn't do anything when I press shift"

Braiam

actually is Shift + ;p

!!palmface

ChatBot John Cavil

15:36

@Braiam That didn't make much sense. Use the !!/help command to learn more.

Braiam

!!facepalm

ChatBot John Cavil

allquixotic

sometimes they forget to take it off and END UP TYPING IN AOLCHATESE

Braiam

where's the palm face!!!??????!!!!!!1eleve

Journeyman Geek

d:

I disable my capslock ;p

allquixotic

15:37

@JourneymanGeek ok, now you're starting to sound like DOS

stop that right this instant

Journeyman Geek

I just use the shift key

Hennes

Oh. " Queen Elisabeth verleent gratie aan Alan Turing "

Bob

@allquixotic A:\

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek but... but!!! when I press that key, nothing happens!

Hennes

Should be understandable without translation. :)

Journeyman Geek

15:38

@allquixotic: you leave one paw on the key, and use the other paw to type ;p

allquixotic

Not ready reading drive A
Abort, Retry, Fail?

Bob

"Elisabeth"?

Elizabeth II

|reign = |cor-type = Coronation |coronation = 2 June 1953 |predecessor = George VI |suc-type = Heir apparent |successor = Charles, Prince of Wales |reg-type = |regent = See list |spouse = Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh (m. 1947) |issue = |issue-link = #Issue |full name = Elizabeth Alexandra Mary |house = House of Windsor |father = George VI |mother = Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon |birth_date = |birth_place = Mayfair, London, England, United Kingdom |death_date = |death_place = |religion = }} Elizabeth II (Elizabeth Alexandra Mary...

Who bungled that?

Hennes

Koningin Elizabeth heeft de Britse
wiskundige Alan Turing postuum gratie
gegeven.De veroordeling van Turing in
de jaren 50 voor homoseksualiteit is
daardoor ongedaan gemaakt.

"Alan Turing was een bijzondere man die
een hoofdrol speelde in de redding van
dit land in de Tweede Wereldoorlog",zei
premier Cameron.Turing kraakte met zijn
staf de onbreekbaar geachte Enigma-code
van de nazi's met een soort computer.

Na de oorlog werd Turing veroordeeld
tot chemische castratie omdat hij seks
met een man had.Hij pleegde zelfmoord

allquixotic

@Bob don't know. I don't think you're allowed to change the way someone's name is spelled just because you speak a different language, unless the source and destination languages don't use the same character set

Hennes

Queen Elizabeth, the British
mathematician Alan Turing a posthumous pardon
gegeven.De condemnation of Turing in
the 50s for homosexuality
thus undone.

"Alan Turing was a special man who
played a major role in the rescue of
this country in World War II, "said
Prime Cameron.Turing cracked his
Staff honorable unbreakable Enigma code
the Nazis with a kind of computer.

After the war, Turing was convicted
chemical castration because he sex
a man committed suicide had.Hij
in 1954.Premier Brown offered in 2009

Bob

15:40

@allquixotic Yea.

@Hennes So nice of her to gegeven him a posthumous pardon.

(sorry, I just had to point that out. Google Translate?)

Hennes

Yes. google trans

allquixotic

エリザベエイト

I can still romajify any name ;p

Bob = ボオブ

allquixotic = アルクイコソテイコ

Braiam

Boobu...

somehow sounds like Babu...

allquixotic

Hennes = ハーネスェ or (Americanized pronunciation) ヘンネスェ

Bob

@allquixotic What do you think about sorting the command list? :P

allquixotic

15:48

@Bob a fine idea. now implement qsort in javascript ~~gogogo~~ there's probably a jquery function for that or something like that

Bob

@allquixotic ...JS has a sort builtin

!!mdn sort

ChatBot John Cavil

@Bob developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/…

allquixotic

or it's probably called "String.spaghettify" in util.js (remember? they're apt to give weird names to things?)

Bob

@allquixotic Nah, a bogosort sounds better.

allquixotic

their indexOf implementation is probably called findAtomByOffset

2

Bob

15:50

oh yea, happy christmas all

allquixotic

!! s/happy/merry/

ChatBot John Cavil

@allquixotic oh yea, merry christmas all (source)

allquixotic

why, merry christmas to you too, @Bob (:

for christmas i get... clothes \o/

no headphones, no graphics card, no new tablet, no {tech thing}

pretty much tapped out already this year

Gowtham

happy Christmas people !

Bob

@ChatBotJohnCavil ...damn americans

/*
Exception: document.getElementById(...) is null
bot.adapter.init@Scratchpad/2:2505
@Scratchpad/2:2913
@Scratchpad/2:2487
*/

???

ok, now I'm confused :P

I probably fixed this before, but completely forgot how

		var pathToHostSite = document.getElementById('siterooms').href;

greeeat

Braiam

15:55

16

Q: Why is it “Merry” Christmas, but “Happy” New Year?

Happy Christmas just sounds wrong to my American ear. (I do get that it is customary in England.) Merry New Year, equally so. Of the two, Christmas is the younger holiday and yet its greeting seems to be the more archaic. So, my question is this: how did these greeting wishes get stuck with th...

Gowtham

heh Amazon decides to price a lot of watches at 2014 inr :P

Bob

@allquixotic heh, I just accidentally pasted all 222kB of master.js over at the sandbox

no limitation :P

Bob

16:14

@allquixotic Bingo: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/12818387#12818387

still not sure if sort is a good idea

=> github.com/Zirak/SO-ChatBot/issues/153

@allquixotic Is it alright if I chuck the new listcommands on Cavil and see how it goes?

Hennes

<--- Spamming you with cat pictures since the birth of the universe

Einsteins Grandson

16:36

how do i connect TV to laptop via HDMI cable?

Braiam

@Hennes tsundere :P

Einsteins Grandson

do i have to install something in Windows ... some software or some driver?

Bob

@EinsteinsGrandson 1. purchase HDMI cable; 2. connect cable to HDMI port on laptop; 3. connect cable to HDMI port on TV

!!facepalm

Einsteins Grandson

or do i have to restart the laptop or what?

ChatBot John Cavil

Bob

16:37

whoops

Einsteins Grandson

i did it, @Bob

but dont see nothing on TV screen

Bob

...

!!google clone desktop

ChatBot John Cavil

@Bob intel.com/support/graphics/sb/cs-031023.htm ; pubs.vmware.com/view-51/topic/… ; pubs.vmware.com/view-50/topic/…

Bob

oh ffs

!!info

ChatBot John Cavil

@Bob I awoke on Tue, 24 Dec 2013 15:28:52 GMT (that's about 1 hour ago), got invoked 12 times, learned 48 commands

Bob

16:38

good.

@Bob I awoke on Tue, 24 Dec 2013 16:10:34 GMT (that's about 28 minutes ago), got invoked 10 times, learned 6 commands

Boris_yo

I don't know what to do with corded Razer DeathAdder mouse I bought. I don't like it being corded and want to sell it to replace it with Logitech Precision. For how much to sell it though?

Bob

wtf

!!info

ChatBot John Cavil

@Bob I awoke on Tue, 24 Dec 2013 15:28:52 GMT (that's about 1 hour ago), got invoked 13 times, learned 48 commands

Bob

finally

!!tell Eins google clone desktop to tv

ChatBot John Cavil

@Eins tomshardware.com/answers/id-1803145/… ; tomshardware.com/forum/362901-33-clone-monitor ; youtube.com/watch?v=rkSoeG8rTF4

Einsteins Grandson

16:39

it works now

Bob

eh. whatever. I failed to google :\

Einsteins Grandson

maybe the cable was not plugged into TV properly

Bob

also, I think Win7 introduced a shortcut: win+p

(I just remembered)

Einsteins Grandson

my dream after 10 and half years came true

although there was no HDMI cable in 2003

i had the idea already

;o)

Bob

be glad you never tried VGA or S-Video

Einsteins Grandson

16:41

i tried S-video in 2003

Bob

most TVs were something like 640x480 at the time. often worse, actually

Einsteins Grandson

but the sound went from laptop not from TV

yes , the picture was terrible

but still

there is a problem with the sound, right?

i cant hear the sound from TV now

Bob

.

make sure you have the right sound output device selected

the hdmi output is normally separate from the general soundcard out

Einsteins Grandson

it works now

i just had to set up in TV that sound does not come from laptop but from TV

Boris_yo

@Bob I have Fn + F8 for that on my keyboard.

vzhen

16:51

is there any adapter can convert usb cable printer to support wifi ?

Boris_yo

@Bob What is wrong with S-Video?

Bob

@vzhen uhm... some routers offer limited USB printer support

but that kind of thing tends to be fiddly

might be easier to just buy a wifi printer, they don't cost too much these days

vzhen

but my usb printer is just working fine. I just don't want to waste it.

Braiam

@Boris_yo it's translate to "super"-video... and we all know everything about the "super"-like products in commercials

Canadian Luke

Is this some kind of sick joke? No one else is working today, but I was told two other people would be in!

Braiam

16:54

@vzhen your printer isn't the problem but the router....

@CanadianLuke I'm your father ¬_¬

Canadian Luke

Hey Pops... My question still stands though

vzhen

@Braiam so you meant if my router has a usb port and I just can plug in and connect the printer ?

Canadian Luke

@vzhen Usually, yea

You can usually connect to it with SMB by \\192.168.1.1 (or whatever your router's IP address is), then map the printer from there

vzhen

ic

allquixotic

@Bob most certainly!

Bob

16:56

@allquixotic Thanks!

allquixotic

consider Cavil to be your sandbox for messing with JS or the bot. if you break it, please be ready to revert your changes, but "downtime" of the bot doesn't concern me in the least

vzhen

sad, i dont have usb supported router

Boris_yo

Serious?

Bob

@Boris_yo Probably 802.11ac - don't expect it to reach even half that speed in practice.

!!info

ChatBot John Cavil

@Bob I awoke on Tue, 24 Dec 2013 17:01:37 GMT (that's about 16 seconds ago), learned 48 commands, teleported 59 goats

Bob

17:02

!!listcommands

ChatBot John Cavil

@Bob help, listen, eval, coffee, live, die, refresh, forget, ban, unban, info, choose, user, listcommands, parse, tell, afk, awsm, color, convert, define, domain, findcommand, forgetseen, github, google, hang, inhistory, jquery, learn, test, why, ok, hello, friday, after5, theanswer, caution, nicethings, europe, goaway, status, idk, thatword, poptart, routertroubleshooting, networkingproblem, meta, rlemon, no, foxno, yes, orlmente, fixit, uio, taytaytay, ping, maybe, say, facepalm, hv, ohhh
whocares, snore, toostupid, bababababat, plz, whee, lol, sudo, beatingbloodoutofarockwithascythe, tes…

Bob

@allquixotic Seems to work! :D

Canadian Luke

:-( I miss the godmode command...

allquixotic

@Bob that's freaking awesome :D

@Bob no kidding :P unless boris lives in a faraday cage

Hennes

@EinsteinsGrandson Use a dislplay port to HDMI converter :)

Gowtham

17:06

!! toostupid

ChatBot John Cavil

Gowtham

!! ohhh

ChatBot John Cavil

@Gowtham That didn't make much sense. Maybe you meant: ohhh

Bob

@allquixotic I just realised that pulling from your repo added a whole bunch of commits and now I have no idea how to submit a clean pull request with the last commit only to Zirak :P

Probably need to create a branch or something

allquixotic

@Bob you could fork Zirak's repo directly, then apply your changes, then submit a pull request

Bob

17:14

@allquixotic It was originally a fork of his repo :P

allquixotic

I'm perfectly fine with it going into my repo, and I see you merged your own pull request, which is great, but this is such a useful thing that I agree that it belongs upstream.

Bob

I think I should stop trying to clean it up, delete it, and start over :\

Hennes

17:31

Gowtham

wat

Hennes

I suspect photoshop, but still

Bob

@allquixotic Yay, I think I somehow managed to bungle my branches into working :P

whoops, forgot to remove the page option from the help

did that on the pull request to Zirak, though, and it's not a big deal... I'll leave that on Cavil for now

allquixotic

thanks!!

it's fine to stay on Cavil. I'll just pull Zirak's later and let it overwrite my stuff

Boris_yo

@allquixotic Do you understand timeline concept in sci-fi?

allquixotic

17:44

@Boris_yo yeah, and each show has a way to explain around it... Star Trek is especially good at that

Boris_yo

@allquixotic How do you explain Grandpa's Paradox?

allquixotic

@Boris_yo I don't. To quote T'Pol in Star Trek: Enterprise: "The Vulcan Science Directorate has determined that time travel is impossible."

Boris_yo

@allquixotic It is possible in movies. To negate paradox, you need to bring up alternate timelines / parallel universes.

Inception was all same reality, was it?

allquixotic

none of it makes sense in terms of reality because we haven't shown that time travel of any sort is possible. relativity gives us time dilation, but not non-linear time

tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MST3KMantra

> "It's just a show; I should really just relax."

don't try to explain something that's just a plot device

Boris_yo

@allquixotic How can one still be entertained without understanding important aspect?

allquixotic

17:58

@Boris_yo you can fantasize about it all you want, but you can never say you truly understand it unless you are able to produce new knowledge about physical reality that you can actually observe and hold to be true

Boris_yo

There is a reason Matrix producers left many things unexplained...

Bob

@Boris_yo sci-fi

I somehow think the "fiction" part of the genre has relevance here...

Boris_yo

@Bob It does

allquixotic

it might be "fun to think about", but there are always going to be at least two possible answers which are (1) not impossible, (2) no way for you know which is correct because it's not science and we can't currently test either possibility

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