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10:00 PM
that's why I like to keep a cheap SATA enclosure around
 
I have a SATA enclosure that I just got today, but its too small for this one
 
I only just got onto SATA 2 years ago..
 
@SimonSheehan one old one, that I took out of a laptop that refused to boot
 
aaah I see
 
I was on the same IDE drive from 2001-2009 :P
 
10:02 PM
trying to boot off a cd
works!
 
:D Awesome
 
now, I need a hdd. :P
gonna try the SATA with the old hdd
 
:D
 
Dinner time, be back soon!
 
its an IDE drive...
enjoy dinner @SimonSheehan :)
 
10:03 PM
have fun @SimonSheehan
ugh, I want to play Battlefield
but the servers are always empty
 
10:32 PM
anyone know anything about P1 P2 P3 and so on, with regard to PSU?
I can't get my last machine to boot...
someone unplugged everything from inside thecase, so I'm having a hard time figuring out which onesgowhere
 
can you look up the manual for your mobo/psu? @studiohack
I'm a real noob in terms of hardware, but there might be a scheme?
 
Anyone who knows Linux well-ish online?
 
@WilliamHilsum well-ish?
:P
Depends, but shoot!
 
@slhck I can't find a name or model number, this pc is a stock build, from a mass manufacturer
 
@slhck hehe ... don't need a real pro who knows the kernel inside and out, just someone who knows their stuff... (then again, maybe my opinion is wrong, after all, I may know a bit, but, I don't know the Windows kernel inside out)... Anyway...
 
10:44 PM
@studiohack Ugh, that sucks. Aren't there any plates on the thing?
 
I don't need to be Linux pro, but, I do want to learn it much better than I do now - I want to install and just have a play around in a VM... Which distribution is best? (And sorry for such a vague question)... e.g. When I have needed to do things in the past, I have used Ubuntu and then just about managed to get Webmin working - I really want to learn how to install software that isn't in a repo, basic compiling from source e.t.c. and just wondering what the best way to go about learning is?
And again, sorry - I know this a vague question - seen so many "which distribution should I learn" type questions... I just don't really know where to begin,.. I have seen Linux from scratch, which looks interesting and I would like to do one day, but, I don't need to know it on that level just yet - ... At the moment, I am thinking about Damn Small Linux...
 
@slhck plates? (sorry, I don't know much hardware wise lol)
 
I just want to get something working in a VM that I can muck around on
 
Well, Ubuntu is easy because there's soooo much documentation online. Generally though, if you use Ubuntu, you can also use Debian, as it#s basted on it
 
says Blue Marble on the outside of the case, Google doesn't say much
 
10:47 PM
@studiohack I know a bit, what is the actual problem/any pictures? :/ Most cables only fit in to one place... a little confused? :/
 
@WilliamHilsum So if you really want to fiddle around, those are pretty okay for a start. The problem is that every distribution tends to do things differently, especially when it comes to configuration.
Some might use other places to change settings than others, or even a completely different architecture.
But generally, there's always been the Debian-based distributions which I've used and become very familiar with
 
@slhck The thing is, I know I don't have to, but, I ideally want to understand Linux a bit deeper than that - I already do some GUI linux support, but, when there are advanced problems such as the other day when the graphics card did a driver update, it crashed and went to console - I was completely clueless.... Went on IRC and someone gave me a bunch of commands to type to reset stuff... That is the sort of level I want to learn it on!
 
@WilliamHilsum basically, this is a no name PC given to me today, I know nothing about it...it has an IDE drive and when I opened it, all the cables were unplugged, especially the PSU cables and the wide data ones?
the wide thin cables, what do you call those?
 
@WilliamHilsum I see, let me think!
 
@studiohack IDE cables?
 
10:50 PM
YES! @WilliamHilsum I have the same one in the picture
can't figure out how to use it, since I only have one hdd
and three different colors?
 
@WilliamHilsum Basically, any modern GNU/Linux ships with the same commands, so if mastering the Linux console is your primary concern, any Linux version would do. You can even choose a Ubuntu version, because chances are good that you'll find help online almost instantly
 
colors don't really matter - there are two types, one has 2 sockets, the other has 3... if you have one with two, ends do not matter - if you have one with three, generally 2 are very close, and the third is at the other end.... The one that is furthest away goes to the motherboard (there is a notch - it should only go in one way... mind you, this picture looks like it is without a notch), and, then (too long)
 
^ what he said
 
for the other end, if you only have one device, plug it in to the very end, and if the drive/device has jumpers, make sure you set it to "master"
master is at the end, slave is the middle, board is the other end
 
10:52 PM
or set them to cable select >_>
 
@slhck When you say same commands, is this what is referred to as the GNU utilities?
@JourneymanGeek :P fair enough!
 
@WilliamHilsum Yes, all "basic" commands in GNU/Linux come in the same flavor. E.g. from sort to ls and their likes.
They're only a bit different in BSD variants such as FreeBSD or even Mac OS X.
 
I have three IDE ports on the motherboard...one is white, one is black... the third is smaller.
 
@studiohack: ... the smaller one is the floppy port
most likely
 
10:54 PM
@WilliamHilsum I only have one hdd, which color goes into the hdd?
this one has two floppy drives
and two CD ROM drives
 
@studiohack Ok - this is easy enough, you should have two IDE cables, one with 3 sockets, and a second with either 1 or two... What you want to do is plug the opticals together, the furthest one as master, second as slave, then plug the hard drive as master in to its own. The smaller socket as @JourneymanGeek said will be floppy.
You may as well leave floppy unplugged - no one uses them...
You may have one IDE cable which has thinner strands... use that for the hard drive as it can sustain faster speeds.
 
@studiohack: look at the labels on the motherboard. Its probably labelled IDE0, 1 and so on
i THINK black is usually the first ide port
 
@slhck cool... Ok, thanks... I am going to try with Ubuntu... The main thing is, I loved looking at HAproxy, but, I didn't have a clue on how to install (or administer) it... I just want to learn Linux... Downloading Ubuntu server now
 
I have one just like the one @WilliamHilsum linked to above, it says P1(blue), p2 (gray) and p3 (black)
I have another one for the cd rom drives
 
@WilliamHilsum I guess you won't run into problems – if you do, I guess you'll keep a snapshot/backup right?
 
10:57 PM
@studiohack Look for markings/model numbers, I will try to find a booklet/instructions for you
 
p3 goes into the board. p1 is usually master, p2 is usually slave
 
This is hard maintaining two separate chats!!!
 
@WilliamHilsum I'll stop annoying :P
 
I apologize, I think I interrupted @slhck and @WilliamHilsum
 
hm, no
 
10:59 PM
@WilliamHilsum If you have some time though and want to read about the different distros, take a look at: wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/…
 
"80-wire cables usually come with three differently colored connectors (blue, black, and gray for controller, master drive, and slave drive respectively"
 
@studiohack No, by all means, go ahead!
 
As @JourneymanGeek said, I think Black is also primary as their is only one floppy drive socket and that is black.... However, there will be no damage if you just don't plug in the hard drive - just plug in optical and power it on, go in to BIOS and just see drive configuration... Like in my answer I gave recently, you should see something like this: (one second...
ideally you want hard drive to be listed as primary master and optical to be listed as secondary - order doesn't really matter.
 
*is honestly a little shocked people forgot about IDE cables. then realises he never quite thinks about it ;p
 
@slhck No, please don't... I asked you! Interesting... I need to learn!... @Studiohack - hehe, you didn't... it is a chat room and we were not in private!
 
11:00 PM
lol thanks guys
 
@slhck Thanks, looking
 
the optical, I plugged into the white IDE, the hdd into the black ide, and left the smaller IDE port on the mobo unplugged.
 
@William I'm a light Linux user, if you give me a few minutes I can help you around a bit with a VM
 
what about p5 p6 and such on the PSU cables?
 
well you only need to connect one of the PSU cables that fit
 
11:02 PM
@JourneymanGeek I had so many here - I recently just chucked a load of old computer equipment... I have had so many connectors, cables and "things" in many boxes that have been untouched for years - even in bulk they are worth nothing.... I ripped off anything that looked gold first and one day I may try to melt them down/harvest the gold! ... knowing my luck, I would probably kill myself with the fumes from the chemicals :/
 
I don't think you can go wrong there
 
two of them on the same strand say HDD, so I put that into the hdd,
 
@studiohack Can you take a picture?
 
@studiohack: just labelling.
 
can I put p5 and p6 into the optical drives?
 
11:03 PM
whatever fits!
 
Did you see the one above? link coming
 
as long as its a molex connector, it'll work
 
10 mins ago, by studiohack
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@studiohack Yeah, but, what is the connector you are talking about? :/
 
the white one, dangling dead center in the photo
 
11:04 PM
@WilliamHilsum : my dad's office systems are around that vintage.
dosen't matter, just use any
 
@SimonSheehan Just downloading Ubuntu Server DVD... If you have VNC, you can connect in to the VM - I am just going to try and do a minimal install and take a snapshot.
 
btw, stupid question, but should I put the case back on to test power?
 
@WilliamHilsum Oh, definitely a more interesting way to do things.
 
@studiohack Ahh... personally, I prefer to use the ones at the ends (if not using all), but, it really shouldn't make a difference
 
@studiohack You don't HAVE to
 
11:05 PM
as Simon said!
 
dangerous? @SimonSheehan
 
Also, Yay for IDE drives!
 
@studiohack: no
you can run it fine, open, and its useful for trouble shooting
 
@studiohack Nope.
 
oh. from experience. do. not. ever. hotplug. molex
 
11:06 PM
no, but probably don't touch anything :P
 
lol. certainly not a fan. I have scars from that ;p
 
@JourneymanGeek Hotplug?
 
@studiohack I can tell you a horror story! :P ... Once at my secondary school, someone bent the pins of a keyboard and put it in so there were two in one socket - no idea how it was possible, but, there was a sizeable explosion inside the case!.... never been able to recreate it... I run many machines with the panels off!
 
no power - except that the lights on the optical drives blink
 
@SimonSheehan: plug in while running
 
11:06 PM
the power button doesn't start anything
 
@JourneymanGeek Been there done that :P
 
@studiohack: any lights on the mobo?
 
@studiohack Is the motherboard connected to the front power button correctly ?
 
nope
ooh, good suggestion @SimonSheehan, let me check. I think its hidden
 
got a spare power supply?
 
11:07 PM
does the PSU have a 1/0 switch?
 
yeah...but much better than the one in here
 
if the optical rives are getting power, means there's SOME power output
cute
 
Also, finally fixed my x.org config!
My VM is ALVIE!
 
@SimonSheehan What did you have to do? What wasn't working?
 
@SimonSheehan Soon I will understand! :P
 
11:10 PM
@slhck I kept getting silly errors since I had tried to modify an xorg.conf I got online...ended up making my own with some help :P
 
oops
cute
 
@SimonSheehan Ahh, neat
 
@slhck I'm using Arch... enjoying it so far, feels more like I'm building my own OS since its only stuff I want/need
 
@SimonSheehan Yeah, wanted to try that too, but somehow the installer didn't let me change my keyboard layout, so I kinda couldn't even exit it haha
 
@slhck haha, odd... I did find it very easy though so far :p
 
11:12 PM
In the end I just installed Ubuntu 11.10, just for trying out new stuff, seeing how GNOME3 evolves
 
@slhck I tried Gnome 3 when Fedora 15 was in Beta... I love it.
 
taking floppy drives out to see connection to mobo frompower switch
 
@SimonSheehan Yeah, it's actually pretty nice, doesn't feel too mature yet, but definitely better than Ubuntu's Unity
 
@slhck I'm a bit anti-Ubuntu these days... probably because of their recent changes, and I was brought up on Fedora.
 
@SimonSheehan Yup. Same here. But I didn't like the font looks of Fedora, so I trashed it after a few days :P
 
11:15 PM
lol
 
AND then there was SELinux
 
i've been tempted to swtich to debian lately
 
I literally had to spend 45 minutes before I could install LastPass for Chrome
 
@slhck I disabled SELinux :P
 
power switch seems to be fine...
 
11:21 PM
@slhck still gotta manually correct xorg.conf To fit the resolution I want though..
And need it to auto-start X
It is in Run level 5 but it isnt doing it
 
ahh
well, reminds me of the old PC I used to have
 
Old Pc's are fun
 
where I had to type win (was it win?) to start Windows
 
haha, thats pretty cool
 
lol
win 3.11 or older i think
 
11:24 PM
okay - the fan works, the optical drives blink...the power button does nothing... dead mobo?
shall I take out the hdd? and try to POST?
 
@studiohack try it, since it worked before.
 
switch power supplies
 
@slhck Also, if your in the VTC room, I wouldn't mind some help with a few things there :p
 
@SimonSheehan Done!
 
okay, HDD out - nothingchanges. next, PSU
 
11:27 PM
@SimonSheehan If you wanna edit something: superuser.com/questions/145399/…
 
Thanks! anyone else with 3k+ do take a look
@slhck I'll give it a shot
 
well, @studiohack could just zap them :P
but I think he's currently zapping other stuff!
 
Like fingers! :P
 
@slhck I can :P
nope, not yet @SimonSheehan haha
 
@slhck That question is....weird
 
11:29 PM
hahaha, you fell for it :P I was thinking the same, so I was kinda … what the …
 
@slhck I say zap it :p
 
yeah
 
questions zapped. beeeep!
 
I see people lurking!
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:P
 
11:32 PM
okay, what is this? I have this, but have not plugged it into anything, is it critical?
 
...
video card power
 
do you have a discrete video card?
oh
 
this the same? as above?
 
that would do it
 
11:33 PM
I can't find this either, a port to plug it?
 
no, not the same. the one you linked second is the CPY power
 
CPY?
 
@slhck Hooray for more voters!
 
*CPU
which is critical, and should be next to your processor slot
 
ohhh?
 
11:34 PM
@SimonSheehan Yeah. I wonder what Mark does, actually, haven't seen him on chat for ages.
 
@slhck I talk to him constantly still :) On IRC
 
i dare say THAT is your problem XD
 
Ah!
 
VERY VERY VERY important
 
11:35 PM
lol really? I can't even find a place for it, looked on the photo and now on the mobo
 
what processor?
or better yet, what mobo and processor?
 
Intel
 
ANDGAHWHYISTHISKEYBOARDSQUEAKING
 
haha @JourneymanGeek sup?
 
don't know the processor is, hard to see. and no mobo info
 
11:36 PM
oh well, it's late
 
roughly
pIV?
 
see you guys, have a good day, night, whatever!
and good luck @studiohack!
 
sleep well, thanks @slhck :)
 
cya later @slhck!
 
I think this may be someone else's custom build. idk. but can't find a white thing with four squares
 
11:38 PM
oh, it wasn't the keyboard
>_>
@studiohack: I'm sure its there
its usually squeezed right next to the CPU
 
@JourneymanGeek still can't find it :(
 
:(
On the brightside, i can almost certainly confirm thats a PIV
 
PIV?
 
and a slightly earlier model, since it has a sane heat sink
pentium 4
 
oh okay...
 
11:49 PM
though it could be a late model pentium III
not all used slot mounts
also. looks small form factorish
 
where could this port be...
 
I am addicted to editing. What is happening.
 
gah.
@SimonSheehan uh oh. :P
 
I'm going to end up like @studiohack or Gareth D:
 
found something? ;p
 
11:53 PM
nope @JourneymanGeek lol
maybe it broke off? or is there another way to fire up the cpu?
 
if it broke off, you should notice
could be something else
check if the ram is in the 0 rather than the 1 slot?
(clutching at straws here)
 
both slots say one @JourneymanGeek
 
i don't see it either, which is curious
o0
switch slots to test ;p
 
okay
 
11:59 PM
no change @JourneymanGeek
@SimonSheehan uh oh.
haha
 
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