Fake Programmers

Ivo Flipse

06:40

It's already sold out in Australia @Bob

it should go on sale in 20 minutes or perhaps 1:20

KronoS

hey @IvoFlipse honest opinion:

@OliverSalzburg what are you getting?

oh and @IvoFlipse you running Win8?

Bob

@IvoFlipse that fast? :O

KronoS

06:59

Ok so you'll need VS2012 and a developer license

do you have that?

Bob

uh.. erm.. no? :P

Matthew Wong

@KronoS msdn. but too lazy to install :(

Bob

I'll go grab that

KronoS

@Bob vs2012 or a developer license?

hey @slhck

Bob

both/neither

KronoS

07:00

goodbye @slhck

Bob

I've only used VS2010; haven't tried developing anything on/for Win8 yet

Ivo Flipse

@KronoS I'm getting Oliver to order my Nexus phone + tablet :P

slhck

@KronoS haha, still there, weird chat :P

KronoS

hello again @slhck lol

slhck

just checking what you guys are up to

Ivo Flipse

07:01

@KronoS I like the design, but the avatar doesn't scale up well

KronoS

@IvoFlipse oh nice... wanna alpha test my app?

Ivo Flipse

@KronoS Sure

KronoS

@IvoFlipse ya I noticed

2 mins ago, by KronoS

Ok so you'll need VS2012 and a developer license

2 mins ago, by KronoS

do you have that?

slhck

But I guess I'll be leaving you again because I have to go to work :P

Ivo Flipse

@Bob gizmodo.com.au/2012/11/…

KronoS

07:02

@slhck then I shall say goodbye again :P

Ivo Flipse

I don't have a dev license

Bob

Would "Express for Win8" do?

Ivo Flipse

and only VSexpress

Matthew Wong

@slhck i thought you left?

KronoS

@IvoFlipse @Bob Express should work and the dev license isn't the paid one... I think, it's just the one that basically links your live account to your VS

Ivo Flipse

07:03

But if it involves work, then I'd rather alpha-beta test :P

Ah ok :P

KronoS

@IvoFlipse I'm not sure how much work it involves...

that's why I'm testing on you guinea pigs :P

So here's a link to my app:

dropbox.com/sh/hg1juqf4tlgjcb3/dpOxM4YuBU

Bob

I've been meaning to learn WinRT development anyway, this can't hurt any :P

KronoS

Within the folder there should be a powershell thingy

Ivo Flipse

Anyway, I wouldn't use the gravatar like that, because especially for low rep users looks silly

KronoS

clicking on that I think causes it to install... but I'm not sure

what about that? @IvoFlipse

Ivo Flipse

07:05

Also when the title is three lines long, it looks awkward

I think I'd like that better

Bob

@KronoS I prefer this :P

Ivo Flipse

Though the color choice is too high contrast

KronoS

Thing is this is the "Main Page" where the questions are more like the Hot tab

Ivo Flipse

Without a color that is

Bob

Listing sites like that in the settings.. bar? might not be the best idea

Ivo Flipse

07:07

@KronoS What's wrong with that?

@Bob It doesn't scale to 87 sites :P

KronoS

@IvoFlipse Just trying to get something like Pulse

Ivo Flipse

I was thinking whether he should show sites you're a member on, but that's too focused on logged in people like us

KronoS

@IvoFlipse The settings panel lists all 187 sites... and will actually update the list as more are added.

Ivo Flipse

@KronoS I know, but then you have to check if the question/answer contain any image and if so replace it with that

@KronoS Auch

You mean also all Meta sites? Haha

Bob

you need a search for the sites, at the very least

KronoS

07:08

@IvoFlipse ya

@Bob I will... but remember this is prelim stages :P

Bob

lol

Ivo Flipse

@KronoS You could make this design more like a square, stack the vote + answer count, then wrap the title on the side

Kind of like a mix between the two options you have now

KronoS

:/ that may be good... changing styles isn't all that hard, the hard part it getting the data in a manageable way

Bob

You could actually have the list of sites in a 'main' screen with logos and a short description (easier to find), rather than a charm., though that may break some design guideline :\

Ivo Flipse

It might also be interesting to figure out how to get the main color themes from all the sites

You'd probably have to scrape that, since I don't think its supplied by the API

KronoS

07:11

@IvoFlipse the only thing I get are tag background and text colors

nothing else

Ivo Flipse

@Bob You also manage contacts in the main app, why can't this be like that?

@KronoS Would those be specific to each site?

KronoS

api.stackexchange.com/docs/types/styling

Bob

@IvoFlipse Contacts?

KronoS

@IvoFlipse depends... if it's beta/not fully developed then they're all the same

SU/SF/SO are all different as well as Arquade and the more established ones

Ivo Flipse

@Bob The Windows 8 Contacts app or People whatever its called

Bob

07:13

Ah. Never used that, and it's a nice red loading screen for me.

Ivo Flipse

@KronoS Then you could use those to set the background

Bob

Installing VS is doing a nice job of bringing the system to a screeching halt

Ivo Flipse

@Bob Still running a preview version?

Ah, yeah its pretty heavy

Thank god for my bigger SSD

Bob

@IvoFlipse Enterpeise Eval (so RTM)

also, on a VHD

which is on top of RAID 1

on 'green' drives

I don't think disk access could get any slower :P

KronoS

@IvoFlipse here was my general idea of the app:

1. Main screen was a snapshot of preferred sites

2. Site page where the user can filter interesting questions (active, new, highest voted, hot, week, month)

3. Question Page where the user can see the Question/Answer

4. Search Result Page where the user can browse searched questions

Bob

07:23

huh, a developer licence only lasts a month? Well, that sucks.

@KronoS how about a page to view user details?

KronoS

@Bob that's coming

but not this iteration

@Bob they're renewable

Bob

@KronoS yea, just seems a little short

Ivo Flipse

I have no problems with the functionality, just the design

Bob

urk

Ivo Flipse

Which is totally unfair, because you've mostly been working on getting the data to display

Bob

07:25

stupid remote execution policy

KronoS

@IvoFlipse no that's fine... I need that criticism

That's about the stage that I'm at

Ivo Flipse

Stop teasing me Google and take MY MONEY!

@KronoS I'd try a couple different designs and see how they feel

If you need more space, simply reduce the number of tiles

KronoS

anyways... I'm headed to bed. Need to think on this and I'l start working on this again tomorrow

Bob

there we go

and it works :D

KronoS

@Bob my app?

Bob

07:28

yep

hmm, white screen

KronoS

And what all can you see?

code wise?

@Bob go to the setting and add some sites

then restart the app

Bob

yea, added SU

still blank

ah, restart it -_-

yup

nice

KronoS

again this is in total alpha stage

@nhinkle it appears that beta testing is possible...

Bob

hm.. is viewing questions implemented yet?

nhinkle

@KronoS what do i have to do?

and sorry for the wrong link :P

KronoS

07:30

It is in the new version I just put together... hang on just a sec

@nhinkle no you're fine

@Bob what all can you see of my code?

nhinkle

do you use some sort of version control beyond just dropbox i hope?

KronoS

@nhinkle OH YES!

Bob

@KronoS nothing? :P

nhinkle

ok so now how do i actually get it to install?

are there instructions above?

Bob

not sure hot to extract an appx file, but that's probably CIL

KronoS

07:31

I would add you @nhinkle but @sathya has taken my other slot... may create a general account and give it out

nhinkle

@KronoS add me to what?

KronoS

@nhinkle Hang on lemme update the packages

nhinkle

lol ok

Ivo Flipse

@KronoS Don't you still have kiln?

KronoS

@IvoFlipse yes that's what I use

ok updated packages @nhinkle @Bob

nhinkle

07:32

@KronoS I still don't know how to install it :P

KronoS

@nhinkle to kiln

Ivo Flipse

I like Github, but it feels a tad expensive, given I don't need it

nhinkle

isn't there a free level for github @ivo?

KronoS

@nhinkle download the packages... then within the folder, there should be a powershell thingy

run that

Bob

@KronoS what does that mean? :P

Ivo Flipse

07:33

@nhinkle That doesn't have private repo's

KronoS

@nhinkle but first you need VS2012 and a dev license (get's that automatically when you first run VS2012)

After that... you'll have to ask @Bob as he got it working

nhinkle

i don't have VS2012 but i do have a dev license

it says it installed

hey it opened! cool!

KronoS

@nhinkle try running it

:O

nice... so you don't see any of my code then

ok @nhinkle to add sites you need to open the setting pane

then restart the app

nhinkle

what on earth is the sorting order on the sites? o_O

i can't find meta.SU and there's no search function

Ivo Flipse

Perhaps add some by default :P

nhinkle

07:36

oh, there it is

KronoS

@IvoFlipse that's going to be the next step :P

Bob

so.. todo list includes rendering the HTML

nhinkle

yeah, having SOFU as default would be nice

and maybe a first-run intro of sorts

KronoS

@Bob that's been a BIG frustration

can't seem to dynamically add the webview contents to xaml

nhinkle

but that all comes later

KronoS

07:37

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Q: How do I bind HTML to a DataTemplate's WebView?

Possible Duplicate: How to access NavigateToString property of a WebView in a ListView I have a list of items that use a DataTemplate for each items presented. Within this template I have a Webview of static HTML taken from an API call. The DataTemplate is similar to as follows: <...

nhinkle

oooh look at all the blurry gravatars! sweet!

Bob

probably a good idea to add a scrollbar for us mouse users :P

nhinkle

ouch. just crashed

KronoS

@nhinkle you should log those crashes for me and send me feed back

nhinkle

i just clicked on a meta.su question

how do i get to the view in your screenshot?

and how do i turn on logging?

Bob

07:39

Clicking on the superuser logo/text just brings me to a blank page, with a back arrow

KronoS

If you want to test out MetroSE here's the link: dropbox.com/sh/hg1juqf4tlgjcb3/dpOxM4YuBU Simply open the folder within, and run the PowerShell script to install. Please leave me feedback here for now. I'll add a bug tracking/feature request system here soon.

nhinkle

@Bob same

Bob

...:S

the gravatars on the questions on the home page don't match any of the gravatars within the question

KronoS

@nhinkle @Bob that's intended for now. Haven't implemented that page yet

@Bob O.o really?

Bob

hm.. a couple of random crashes in a row

opening some specific questions

KronoS

07:43

@Bob that's becuase I haven't put in the key... you've prolly hit the limit

hang on...

Bob

two of them are migrated questions

KronoS

there we go...

Bob

the salt water one

nhinkle

@KronoS how do i get to the screen you showed in your screenshot?

Bob

one has a bounty

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Q: Install Windows Store apps from the command-line

We can install AppX packages (Metro/Modern/Microsoft-style UI apps) by using the following PowerShell command: add-appxpackage C:\path-to-app.appx But, I want to install free Windows Store apps from the command line. For example, install the free game Jetpack Joyride available on the Windows S...

command-line windows-8 applications windows-store

@nhinkle that was version 1.0.0.0

Ivo Flipse

07:44

@KronoS Hmm I have no clue how to run it :P

nhinkle

@Bob i want it. I think it'd be more useful than the "random large gravatars"

Bob

lol

KronoS

@nhinkle link?

Bob

@IvoFlipse extract, run the Add-AppDevPackage.ps1 file

KronoS

Ok app is updated... you shouldn't have any issues with too many requests in a day

Bob

07:45

you probably have to Set-ExecutionPolicy -ExecutionPolicy Unrestricted -Scope Process first

Ivo Flipse

@Bob I just joined his Dropbox folder

Bob

@IvoFlipse uhh.. download to a local folder first :P

I downloaded as zip, hence the extract

Ivo Flipse

@Bob Its in my Dropbox :P

That's local

Bob

well, just run the .ps1 file then

you'll have to change your script execution policy before you can

To change it a little more permanently, run Set-ExecutionPolicy -ExecutionPolicy Unrestricted -Scope CurrentUser

Ivo Flipse

I have no idea how to run that powershell thing, if I click it, it just opens

KronoS

07:47

@IvoFlipse that should be all that you have to do

Ivo Flipse

Lol "run with powershell" d'oh

KronoS

@nhinkle version 1.0.0.3 now uploaded and has no more gravatars on main page

Ivo Flipse

It works :)

Clicking a question just renders a html wall of fail

KronoS

[email protected] somebody send an email to this real quick...

@IvoFlipse agreed... see here: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/6870778#6870778

Ivo Flipse

@KronoS I know, I'm just kidding

nhinkle

07:51

@KronoS I specifically can't open your meta post about contest blog posts

Bob

this needs to create an error log :P

Ivo Flipse

I sure hope Oliver is still refreshing the Nexus store page :P

KronoS

@IvoFlipse thanks for the email

MetroSE bugs and feature requests can be sent to here:
[email protected]

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nhinkle

@KronoS doesn't fogbuz have some sort of build-in bug reporting thingy?

KronoS

@nhinkle sending an email creates a ticket

nhinkle

07:57

yeah but emails are annoying

i want a website

Ivo Flipse

@nhinkle You can log into fogbugz and leave a report too I believe

kronoskoders.fogbugz.com

KronoS

And for those of you that are particular and want a GUI (@nhinkle) you can go to this site, and Enter a New Case or Keep track of that Case now: kronoskoders.fogbugz.com

nhinkle

yayy

KronoS

And now it's time for bed for me. Have fun guys, and send lots of feed back

nhinkle

'night!

KronoS

08:03

Oh BTW @nhinkle that bug (the bloq question) is due to there being no answers to the question. Thanks for finding that out. I'll fix it tomorrow

nhinkle

cool. thanks for checking into it

KronoS

Thanks for testing this out

I need all the feed back I can get

anyways... night guys!

Ivo Flipse

Strange, did my fogbugz account get deleted?!?

Bob

@KronoS night

KronoS

@IvoFlipse you can't prolly log into my site

Bob

08:05

btw, weren't you going to sleep @nhinkle? :P

Ivo Flipse

Trying to get into my own

KronoS

oh got it... I'll leave you be then

and now I really am leaving

nhinkle

@Bob shhh

i changed my mind, ok

:P

Ivo Flipse

Ah right, I was trying to log into your fogbugz with my account :P

I wonder where they'll sell the wireless charging orb for the Nexus 4

Bob

08:22

yes.. 'wireless'

as long as you orient it a certain way and hold it very very close

also, lose at least 10% in the process

Oliver Salzburg

09:12

@KronoS I'm buying stuff for @IvoFlipse ;)

Ivo Flipse

14:53

@OliverSalzburg Anandtech just had to ruin my day: anandtech.com/show/6440/google-nexus-4-review

KronoS

So... what's the big deal with the nexus?

Ivo Flipse

@KronoS That its not available :P

KronoS

Well I'm clearly seeing that, but what's making it so hot?

I'm really not a fan of the Android OS (not a huge fan of iOS either)

Ivo Flipse

@KronoS Well I very much dislike iOS, so there's that and I don't buy into the Apple Tax

And I'm more invested in the Google Play store + Google Drive, so Android is a better fit

I'm not even considering WP8 for the moment

and I want a Nexus phone, so I can do with it whatever the heck I want

KronoS

I'm waiting to get a WP8 and comparing there... Android just has way too many bugs IMO and iOS is too restrictive and boring and expensive

Ivo Flipse

15:03

@KronoS What bugs?

KronoS

@IvoFlipse when I compare the quality of the android phones to the iOS phones the android is choppy

Ivo Flipse

@KronoS What was the last phone you compared it to?

KronoS

@IvoFlipse I'm not sure TBH and that may be the issue

Ivo Flipse

You should know that Apple uses much, much better GPUs for their devices, even the newest Android devices can't compete with the iPhone 5

KronoS

The other thing I don't like, is from a developers point of view Android is a pain to develop for

Too many devices you have to try and support for

Ivo Flipse

15:07

Though they're catching up with the 4s

@KronoS No, you should follow Google's guidelines

KronoS

I've got the iPhone 5 and it's blazing fast... but battery life is terrible

Ivo Flipse

And if you never bite the bullet and they become the next Windows (as in everywhere), you'll have a lot of technical debt

Battery life on the Nexus 4 isn't great either

but can't possible be as bad as my Galaxy Nexus...

KronoS

I don't see any WP8 phones on there...

Ivo Flipse

Probably because the benchmarks don't exist yet

KronoS

Wait... using LTE I get double the battery life vs. not?

Ivo Flipse

15:10

If I'd get a WP8, I'd get a Nokia

KronoS

that doesn't make sense

Ivo Flipse

Depends on the phone

Apparently it does, because it gets the data faster, then aggressively goes back to sleep

anandtech.com/show/6440/google-nexus-4-review

anyway, I can highly recommend a Galaxy S3

but if you have a iPhone 5, you don't need anything else

KronoS

Grrr... why can't data updating be simple?

Ivo Flipse

What data? In the app?

KronoS

Ya... I'm trying to get the toggle buttons to automatically update the UI as well

Which, the data is actually updating, but the UI isn't

Ah here we go:

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Q: Windows 8 CollectionViewSource ObservableCollection Binding Not Updating

I have a CollectionViewSource that is binding to an subset of an observable collection to show the top n articles on the main page. <CollectionViewSource x:Name="groupedItemsViewSource" Source="{Binding Groups}" IsSourceGrouped="true" ItemsPath="TopItems" />...

c# xaml windows-8 winrt

My SO search fu is getting better and better

KronoS

15:40

@nhinkle I've updated the app to fix your bug. Also added setting to update the frontpage as well.

Ivo Flipse

15:55

@OliverSalzburg now I'll have to rely on you, because the Nexus 4 is not coming to the Netherlands AT ALL :|

Nathan Wheeler

19:02

so, I have this Nixie tube alarm clock that I'm setting up on an arduino board, and I have about 25K of program space and I'm only using 10 outputs... anyone have any suggestions for cool features to add? (it's already a -120dB alarm)

Ivo Flipse

19:25

@NathanWheeler How many lights does it have? Else you could make it display some text

Oliver Salzburg

@IvoFlipse What's the quick summary of that article? :D

Nathan Wheeler

4, but they're numeral only

Ivo Flipse

@OliverSalzburg You still need to buy it for me :P

If only it ever becomes available...

Oliver Salzburg

@IvoFlipse Woah :(

Let me check the store again

Ivo Flipse

If it doesn't come back in stock, then I'll probably order some Chinese phone instead

Oliver Salzburg

19:28

@IvoFlipse The only thing that changed in the store since yesterday is the fact that they remove the banner that says "available november 13th" :P

Ivo Flipse

yeah, its not in stock yet

Oliver Salzburg

The complaints about their store I read today were somewhat frustrating

Ivo Flipse

Weird that the NExus 10 is neither

Nathan Wheeler

19:43

I bought a new iPhone5 last week... speaking of phones

Ivo Flipse

@NathanWheeler yeah, but the Nexus 4 is more awesome :P

If you don't like iOS

Nathan Wheeler

umm... probably... but I've got too much invested in iOS apps to move

Ivo Flipse

20:01

@NathanWheeler I have the opposite and I don't want to invest in iOS either :P

KronoS

@NathanWheeler ya that's a frustration I have with all app markets. Once you get started, you're invested into that market quite a bit

Ivo Flipse

I hate it when I have to buy the same thing multiple times

KronoS

I wish my employers used Kiln instead of GitHub

@IvoFlipse I wish there were a way to keep your apps across multi platforms

Ivo Flipse

I paid for Instapaper on the web, then I would have to buy the app for Android and iOS too

KronoS

The app developer that does that has got me sold on their product

Ivo Flipse

20:05

@KronoS web apps

KronoS

@IvoFlipse But web apps can't levy the devices hardware that native apps can

Ivo Flipse

@KronoS Then they should get the necessary API hooks

KronoS

That requires the devices/OS to open their API calls to the web apps... which I don't see happening

Ivo Flipse

22:31

@OliverSalzburg here's a mildly optimistic post: plus.google.com/106515095432315677569/posts/fAA6PNbUxCK

Oliver Salzburg

@IvoFlipse Sounds good

Ivo Flipse

If I can't get the Nexus 4 I have to figure out what else to get

I actually don't want an even bigger phone, but all smaller phones have specs that are meeeh

That new HTC Droid DNA looks cool, but its 5.5" with a 1080p screen on a freaking phone

Nathan Wheeler

@IvoFlipse So, what I see happening in the future is that Apple will start selling Android apps, Google will have an iOS marketplace, etc. People will at some point get frustrated with double-paying for apps on multiple devices and complain loud enough they'll change the model

Ivo Flipse

I'm trying to flash Android 4.2, but first had to root it again

But because I upgraded to Windows 8 the drivers didn't work automagically

Took quite some time before I figured out I had to manually install them when at the bootloader...

@NathanWheeler I'm not so sure, I think developers would simply add some kind of account which is cross platform

So you don't buy the app, you purchase a subscription, which isn't bound to a platform

App developers can also claim that they have to build and maintain both apps, so cough up those 2$

Nathan Wheeler

@IvoFlipse That's possible... but Apple requires in-app purchases ONLY go through them.

so then you'd have to go to some 3rd party site to make your purchase, then return to the app to unlock it

Ivo Flipse

22:43

If you want access from an Apple device and you don't have it, it can go through their store, but if you already have an account, I'm not sure how Apple would even verify that

KronoS

@IvoFlipse I see a subscription based service happening more than a general marketplace... services like Pandora/Spotify/Netflix/Hulu are some examples

Ivo Flipse

Exactly

Also, if Android becomes popular enough, it'll be Windows vs Mac all over again

Though its a bit too early to say

plus iOS users tend to pay more (in every way I guess), so they're an attractive userbase

But I think Android is just getting started and for some people starts to replace their Windows computer, that's when it starts to become financially interesting too, because people would be more willing to invest in their main OS

And in the end, we'll only get apps if developers get paid

Nathan Wheeler

@IvoFlipse iOS will ultimately end up as MacOS... they've already integrated a lot of the same features into it, and with the touch screen, you can make them function virtually the same

Ivo Flipse

Darn I'm trying to upgrade my ROM, but I'm getting a weird error

ffs, I erased my device, now the driver doesn't recognize it anymore...

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