often because it works best for people's schedules and the church's schedule, and in Lutheran churches Wednesdays are taken during Lent and Advent and other nights may have things too
@Anonymous no, but a lot of churches have things on Thursday nights
@Daи I do remember, while reading A History of Lutheranism, that Martin Luther suggests in the Book of Concord that children should pray in the morning and at night. Maybe the "morning prayer service" and the "evening prayer service" are expressing that part of the Book of Concord?
@Daи Gee, worship times in Lutheran churches don't seem to be very strict. They might as well hold a worship service every day like the Catholics to honor God.
@Anonymous he retired, but he has actually come back as a pastor emeritus to do some work in retirement planning for the congregation (i.e. assisting elderly folks in setting up their wills and encouraging them to incorporate giving to the church in their estate planning)
@Anonymous the Lutheran church I attended is also connected to a large retirement/assisted-living home, has a homeless shelter, and numerous other ministries
@Daи Huh? But won't that conflict with the "worship service"? What is the difference between "worship service" and "vespers" and "evening prayer service on a weekday"?
@Anonymous there are different orders of service, and those differ between denomination, and even within the denominations, as various editions are still in use, and some only use them as a guide while others strictly follow them
@Anonymous you'll even hear Lutherans make jokes about this based on the color of the various editions, i.e. "We used to the red hymnal but now we use the blue one."
and Lutherans within that denominations will know exactly which books you are referring to
again, lots of lingo can only be learned inside ;)
@Daи How long did it take you to recite the Morning Prayer and the Evening Prayer from the Book of Concord? And why isn't learning German important, even though some terminologies that Luther used may be best understood in German and in his frame of mind?
@Daи So, what is that significance? Is this only an American Lutheranism thing?
Maybe someone should do an American Lutheran Lingo Dictionary.
@Anonymous you should understand that movements named after founders don't necessarily reflect the teachings of the founder
for instance, Luther wasn't Lutheran
he was more like a Reformed Catholic
much of the theology of modern Lutheranism is not shared by Luther
a lot of this has to do with the influx of Aristotelian thought / Scholasticism into early Protestantism to defend itself from the Jesuit counter-Reformation. Luther himself often wrote about his disdain of Aristotle as this worldview elevated reason above faith
@Anonymous even that would have to be nuanced for individual denominations and then even geographical regions within those denominations
@Daи So... your terminology is "worldview elevated reason above faith". The Rationalist worldview elevated reason above faith. Are we talking about the same "reason" here"?
@Daи So, that means even Lutherans from different countries won't understand each other's lingos?
@Daи Does that mean that all the Christian denominations don't necessarily and accurately reflect the teachings of Jesus?
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@Anonymous that's highly subjective. First, what kind of subscription, quia or quatenus? Second, what caveats are being made? Third, what does anti- mean? What specifically is being opposed? Lutherans enjoy nuance and linguistic precision ;)
Hence why one of the favorite questions of Lutherans is, "What does this mean?"
And pastors are trained to not simply answer questions, but instead to first inquire, "Why do you ask?"
@Daи Ah, so that's what Martin E Marty was talking about in the quia vs. quaternus part!
@Daи I am using "anti-confessionalism" as an already established term, meaning the opposition of confessing explicit beliefs or doctrines.
@Daи Linguistic precision depends on the culture. If the culture changes, then we just need new language to describe whatever.
@Daи I still think True Lutheranism should adhere close to whatever Luther taught, exactly what Luther taught.
I mean, if there's a movement named after you, wouldn't you want your people to listen to whatever you say instead of deviating from you?
Also, maybe Martin Luther should be revered as a saint or be an object of devotion and respect.
And maybe Lutherans should insist on calling themselves "Lutheran", because they are followers of Luther instead of "Christian". :)
Maybe it is Martin Luther who helps lead people to the three-personed God.
I wonder what would happen if Lutheranism had taken a different course in history and had become a separate religion, apart from Christianity. Maybe the focus would be more on Luther than on God. :D
The website The Gateway Pundit claims "Military Bans Bibles But Forces Soldiers to Adhere to Ramadan Rules" :
The US Air Force kicked Christian Gideon’s volunteers off base in March.
The Bibles were too offensive and violated the separation of church and state rule.
and then quotes Sta...
