@curiousdannii the gender neutrality position may be more egregious than the pronoun position. It's not a theological opinion to call a person they, it is a theological opinion to call God "They" or the Church "it".

@PeterTurner Well God has clearly indicated that he desires to be called by masculine pronouns. As to the church, the bride of Christ is only one of many images. I think the body of Christ is pretty much equally prominent in the NT, perhaps even slightly more so than the Bride of Christ.

@curiousdannii have you never heard any attempts at inserting gender neutral pronouns for God at any church services you've been to?

@PeterTurner Not in the evangelical churches I've attended or visited!

And not in the Catholic services I've been to either. Maybe liberal Anglican, I can't specifically remember though.

I had a stackexchange-related nightmare on Saturday morning. Guessing it's related to having increased responsibility in the site.

I came up with a good (to me at least) idea for how to deal with bad behavior. But it's a "new idea" and "new ideas" aren't worth posting unless you can get several people to back them up in those critical first 3 minutes on meta.

And you have to be willing to have your intentions judged, severely

This idea would probably solve all chat and comment problems as well as deal with Trolls and those who engage them.

and make a clear path forward for moderating this kind of behavior.

@TRiG I thought there was a way to do that... thanks.

@curiousdannii Especially since CARM is a complete mess. (I've spent some time on their forum. Those were dark days.)

@PeterTurner Feminine imagery is used for God in some passages in the Bible, though masculine imagery certainly predominates. One could make an argument for a genderfluid God. I'm not saying that this reading would be "correct", merely that it would not be completely absurd or baseless.

@TRiG Agreed, the imagery is one thing. A devout bunch of college students made a pretty awesome salvation history the musical (called In the Garden) the Holy Spirit was portrayed by a women, no qualms with that.

One reason, that I wasn't going to bring up with Dannii was that the Catholic Church is "The Barque of Peter" and boats are usually she's. Can boats still be women here or is that a latent artifact of toxic machismo?

@fredsbend Sometimes, you need to be told. ;) But I probably wouldn't say that these days, for a few reasons. (Mostly, that I've been away for a good while, so I no longer feel that I have that relationship where I can say such things. But also, like you, I'm now more aware of the possibility of a broader audience.)

@Nathaniel I've got snagit on my computer, not sure what it costs (might be a free version) - apparently it's useful enough to my company to have decent screenshots to get us a site license. Pretty nice piece of software though, it'll scroll webpages for you and paste 'em together.

But... I can't view pastebin from my network, so there's +/-'s for working for a big place.

@fredsbend What were you expecting? That was an aggressive rant aimed from a position of power at a disadvantaged minority. Of course it was deleted, and good riddance to it.

Eh, disregard last message (too old to delete). I see he actually agrees with the removal himself.

@PeterTurner I've read humane vitae. It's a scream.

Actually, no. I'm misremembering. I've read the Vatican Declaration on Sexual Ethics.

It's not the beliefs that anger me primarily, but the way mention of suicide doesn't give him any pause whatsoever. He doesn't care. If he decided, after careful consideration, that he would continue in his course, I might have a little respect. But no. No consideration at all is needed. Suicide of gay people doesn't matter in the slightest to him, and can be dismissed with nary a pause or the smidgeon of a thought.