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user16217248

03:32

Flag as spam: stackoverflow.com/q/76823957/16217248

@Makyen So the strike is over????

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cocomac

03:55

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The representatives never had the ability to bind the people striking to an agreement. Each person will need to determine for themselves if this resolution and the various additional posts already made and to be made shortly by Stack Exchange are sufficient for them, individually, to return. The groups that have suspended operations will need to discuss the situation internally and decide if the situation is to a point where they feel comfortable resuming operations. It's a very significant step, but there's more discussion that needs to happen within those who are participating in the strike. — Makyen 8 hours ago

/cc @Makyen as I quoted you

Processed Meat

05:18

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Q: Does the Charcoal team plan to run SmokeDetector again?

There have been several posts complaining about increased visibility of spam posts.1 At least part of the reason was the fact that the Charcoal team participate in the strike and SmokeDetector wasn't running during the strike. Now the strike lead to some results. (Thanks once again to the people ...

Petəíŕd

05:50

@user16217248 Almost over, as I see.

@iBug Can I ask why you adding an apple emoji after every edit and what's the signs for its color? Just wonder.

(Like 🍎)

iBug

06:21

@Petəíŕd A few years back (2018 or so) there was a MSO post concerning a prolific editor adding a few punctuations in their every edit summary. I found that behavior characteristic and mildly entertaining, so since then I began my own with punctuations changed to a single emoji, waiting for people to discover and question about.

Petəíŕd

@iBug Oh, yes, this is a bit funny. Thanks for explaining!

Processed Meat

07:24

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Q: Auto suspend the user network-wide if their accounts have been destroyed on a certain number (e.g. 3) of sites

Possibly related; might be an extension or alternative to: A user should just be destroyed network-wide automatically if it has no upvoted content and is destroyed on two independent sites by mods already As already explained in the linked question, spammers tend to create many accounts, then a ...

feature-request spam account-suspension network-wide-suspension account-destruction

Martin Sleziak

@ProcessedMeat I understand that this question might be a bit premature. At the same time, I assume that many people would like to know this. So it seemed reasonable to have a post about this on Meta Stack Exchange (which is visited more than this chatroom - or the Charcoal Team).

Martin Sleziak

08:07

The strike just ended. I think giving them a bit of time to take a breather and work things out seems fair. — Journeyman Geek ♦ 16 mins ago

VLAZ

It is fair, I agree. But the question is also one that will come up. It should be OK to post it, even if the answer doesn't come right up.

gparyani

08:36

@iBug I've been aware of it for a long time. I thought it meant "you made a mistake" or "you missed correcting this mistake", which I interpreted as kind of derogatory, so I didn't question it.

Petəíŕd

I thought iBug just inserting this apples as sign of what mistake is, e.g. red apple is big mistake, yellow apple is middle mistake, green apple is small mistake, or vice versa.

iBug

09:24

@Petəíŕd Nope. There's only one single apple emoji and I had no other options.

@gparyani I've been doing this solely in parody of that MSO post (which I couldn't find now).

The Empty String Photographer

@ArturMeinild I understand it as a precursor to spam.

Dragonrage

🍎🍏

iBug

Wasn't aware of that, but I use WinCompose and have the sequence [compose][s][i][g][n] to produce a red apple emoji, which is why I say I only use one emoji.

Dragonrage

if you are on a windows pc, you can push windows key + ; to open emoji menu

iBug

I know, which is still less convenient than WinCompose

I have custom compose sequences for a handful of emojis that I use frequently.

Petəíŕd

10:13

oh, understand.

🍎 is also very similar to 🍅, which is tomato.

VLAZ

10:34

@Dragonrage Also possible with Win + .

It's the shortcut I'd recommend using. It does exactly the same, mind you, however if you have trouble hitting the correct key like me some people I'd know, then the ; key is more dangerous. It's right next to L and Win + L locks the session.

Dragonrage

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Petəíŕd

I am on Linux

VLAZ

At least when reaching for the dot, I very rarely hit L. When I was using ; I'd have at least 30% L-rate.

Petəíŕd

I use a plugin that adds a custom menu while pressing Win (Super) where I can search for emoji.

VLAZ

@Petəíŕd On Linux I have almost the same menu as Windows when pressing Win + .

I've not tried Win + ;

Petəíŕd

10:38

@VLAZ I don't see anything when pressing this...

VLAZ

I'm not entirely sure where it comes from. Probably KDE. I'm also on Manjaro, if it comes from elsewhere.

Dragonrage

@Petəíŕd what about ctrl + ;

Petəíŕd

@Dragonrage also see nothing

I have Linux Mint with Cinnamon, btw.

Dragonrage

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A: How to insert an emoji into a text in Ubuntu 18.04 and later?

Emoji Picker: With the release of Ubuntu 18.04 LTS you can use emoji on Ubuntu right out of the box 👍, so you already have everything you need for the native GTK Linux apps like Gedit, Corebird, Rhythmbox and probably Geary (Source: OMG Ubuntu). All you have to do to access the emoji picker in ...

@Petəíŕd ah, was assuming ubuntu. havent used to many other versions of linux

Andreas detests AI hype

16:32

@tripleee Permission to ask for a status update on your situation (personally, that is)? Based on your recent activity, that I've seen, and what you've expressed in comments, I have the impression you have lost quite a bit of motivation. Do you think that you will return from the strike?

Andreas detests AI hype

16:43

Eh; is this even going to result in a ping?

Petəíŕd

@AndreasdetestsAIhype tripleee can be pinged, yes

Andreas detests AI hype

@tripleee I'll respond to this message which the search brought up, just in case.

Laurel

Since they're in the room, yeah a ping would have worked

Mithical

17:01

@AndreasdetestsAIhype If the name autocompletes, it'll send a notification

Andreas detests AI hype

Oh. Well, I don't have a habit of pinging people long gone.

Apparently not so much long gone after all, then.

iBug

17:55

@ArtOfCode @ThomasWard metasmoke.charcoal-se.org is pointing to the same address as metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com but returns an invalid SSL certificate. Would you mind changing m.c.o to use Cloudflare CDN instead? My network connection to Comcast isn't great and it even runs into loops.

My impression was that few people used the domain m.c.o so it's an option to be used as a CDN-enabled alternative to m.e.c.

Mast

18:34

@iBug I vaguely recall an editor adding star emoji to their summaries.

Thomas Ward -On Strike

21:17

@iBug I don't control the Cloudflare side of things, and I can't change the URLs to use CF CDN even if I wanted to. I can however kick the system to actually do the certificate updates now. The reason it failed previously was because the ISP link was down, for reasons beyond our control, so there was failure there. I'll update the SSL in a bit, but I don't control the charcoal-se.org DNS nor do I have access to it's CloudFlare settings so it's a much more complicated process.

i'm literally on my way home now so you need patience.

'course if Art controls the DNS for charcoal-se.org and wants to give me access that's just adding me to the access list for my Cloudflare logins.

but the core erwaysoftware stuff is under Undo's control and remains the master hostname to use right now

gparyani

22:03

@ThomasWard-OnStrike Just curious, how did you end up being the one running the metasmoke infrastructure? Did you volunteer, and if so, when?

Thomas Ward -On Strike

oh it's been this way for a while. does historic DNS lookups

sometime in 2020 is when I started running stuff

volunteered to take it and run on my infra so it wouldn't cost Undo a ton on AWS or elsewhere

the way i took the infra also though allowed backups, etc. to function better and not crash MS during backup times

gparyani

Ah, I thought you were running it since the very beginning. I didn't know it was on public cloud servers before.

Thomas Ward -On Strike

i don't know where Undo kept it

whether it was AWS or his own systems, etc.

but i do know that the infra's been running on my infra since 2020.

gparyani

@Undo Before Thomas Ward took over hosting metasmoke, where was it hosted?

Thomas Ward -On Strike

note there's stuff like Lambda, etc. that are still covered by Undo as are long-term backups on S3 but still

so while MS is in my wheelhouse for running, rebooting, etc. it's still ultimately owned by Undo and Charcoal :P My offering to host it on my infra was to help alleviate concerns with it going down regularly, etc.

Undo

22:11

@gparyani AWS

Thomas Ward -On Strike

@Undo must be nice not having to pay for CPU credits for MS now :P

Undo

For sure

thesecretmaster

If I'm remembering correctly it was on a t2.medium? And I think everything (DB, nginx, MS, redis) lived on the same box :)

Also I recall setting up the lambda for autoflagging being a part of the migration out of AWS... or maybe it was so that fewer people had access to the tokens and it just happened to make the migration easier

Thomas Ward -On Strike

if I remember right the Lambda is still there because of integration keys

but DB, nginx, MS, redis, etc. still have their own presence on this one box. DB backups are offloaded to a different box now rather than as a MS task so as to not time out the Ruby tasks queues, etc. Which is why there's no real downtime during DB backup runs

thesecretmaster

Lambda is a safeguard around API tokens, yeah. I think at the time I wrote it the goal was to minimize the number of people who had access to tokens.

Thomas Ward -On Strike

22:24

ye even I don't have access to the integration tokens or Lambda. I just host the MS side of things ;)

... and the primary SD instance but that's a different issue

thesecretmaster

... did I ever update the lambda to retract flags? I could've sworn that was on the todo list at some point

Thomas Ward -On Strike

no idea xD

thesecretmaster

Ah, Makyen did it

Oh wow, I've got an open PR on MS from nearly 3 years ago. Should probably come back to that some time :P

Thomas Ward -On Strike

:P

gparyani

22:46

@ThomasWard-OnStrike Also, to be clear, the ISP shipped the replacement gateway to you yesterday and it still has yet to be delivered?

Thomas Ward -On Strike

@gparyani no they shipped it Tuesday, it arrived yesterday.

but they're a month slow

that's why MS is back up

because i installed the gateway yesterday

for all effects and purposes "it was shipped yesterday"

becasue they overnighted the thing

Ryan M - Regenerate response

23:10

That is... a pretty stunning delay for a provider of services to a business. I can only imagine how your discussions with them have gone.

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