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15:00

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer (61): Where do I play online games with a long time control? by 655 GB on chess.SE

SmokeDetector

15:10

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially problematic ns configuration in body (1): website broken (home page images no longer displayed and full screen white space) by Pradhyumna Gupta on stackoverflow.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad ip for hostname in answer (1): Are there 6 or 9 cities of refuge? by Yaakov David on judaism.SE

tripleee

!!/watch range[\W_]*+xtd

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[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklists reloaded at rev cfe9c4d (SmokeDetector: Auto watch of range[\W_]*+xtd by tripleee) (running on teward/Osiris)

tripleee

!!/watch-force canzana[\W_]*+pro

SmokeDetector

@tripleee That pattern looks like it's already caught by Bad keyword in body and Bad keyword in answer; append -force if you really want to do that.

[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklists reloaded at rev b555b1b (SmokeDetector: Auto watch of canzana[\W_]*+pro by tripleee) (running on teward/Osiris)

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer, potentially bad ip for hostname in answer (94): Adding subtitles with fluent-ffmpeg by Amina Fakuhares on stackoverflow.com

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fp- feedback received on [MS] Are there 6 or 9 cities of refuge?

SmokeDetector

15:49

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially problematic ns configuration in body (1): Horizontal submenu not working on iPhone (works on Chrome & Safari) by Sem on stackoverflow.com

teward/Osiris: Executing automatic scheduled reboot.

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev b555b1b (SmokeDetector: Auto watch of canzana[\W_]*+pro by tripleee) (running on teward/Osiris, Python 3.6.9)

Restart: API quota is 11223.

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad ns for domain in body (1): Is there an analogon to the product measure construction for conditional independence? by adrian marti on math.SE

tpu- feedback received on [MS] Where do I play online games with a long time control?

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in body (93): CRUD CLIENTE,FORNECEDOR E PRODUTO COM ENTITY by Jonatas Diniz on stackoverflow.com

fp- feedback received on [MS] Ubuntu 20.04 still can't print on Kyocera FS1025MFP via usb

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SmokeDetector

16:12

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started in standby mode at rev 9240024 (SmokeDetector: Auto watch of lasercut24\.net by Eliah Kagan) (running on iBug/Coral)

fp- feedback received on [MS] Is there an analogon to the product measure construction for conditional independence?

Mast

!!/watch- audext\.com

SmokeDetector

@Mast That pattern looks like it's already caught by Blacklisted website in answer and Blacklisted website in body; append -force if you really want to do that.

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at beginning of body (44): What is the domain name and email of the site? by Alexa Joly on codegolf.SE

Mast

!!/test-q audext.com/yadda

SmokeDetector

> Blacklisted website in body, potentially bad ip for hostname in body
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Blacklisted website in body - Position 0-10: audext.com
Potentially bad ip for hostname in body - audext.com suspicious IP address 159.89.223.40

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Mast

!!/watch- watchcookie\.com

SmokeDetector

16:22

PR#4492 ("Mast: Watch watchcookie\.com") opened by SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in body (96): How to make links open in a new tab in php by Credit-online on wordpress.SE

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Mast

@SmokeDetector I don't believe that to be a legitimate question.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad ns for domain in body, blacklisted user (72): Itching and pain in the eyes by Bonnie Richards on medicalsciences.SE

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Mast

@SmokeDetector I don't believe that to be a legitimate question.

!!/watch- herzig-eye\.com

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PR#4493 ("Mast: Watch herzig-eye\.com") opened by SmokeDetector

Mast

!!/watch- credit-online\.top

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16:35

PR#4494 ("Mast: Watch credit-online\.top") opened by SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad ip for hostname in body (1): On my webpage, using "window.location.href" returns "about:srcdoc" instead of the URL name by BobGaines on stackoverflow.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad ip for hostname in body (1): Using "window.location.href" returns "about:srcdoc" instead of the URL name. I am not in an iframe by BobGaines on stackoverflow.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially problematic ns configuration in body (1): Horizontal submenu not working on iPhone (works on Chrome & Safari) by Sem on stackoverflow.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body (95): Equation expression by Tom tom on math.SE

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fp- feedback received on [MS] Horizontal submenu not working on iPhone (works on Chrome & Safari)

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in title (1): How to implement an abstarct class's method in sub-class by getting variables of it's parents class using a constructor in c++ by steve siddu on stackoverflow.com

Makyen/EC2-linux: Executing automatic scheduled reboot.

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started in standby mode at rev 0466c1d (tripleee: Merge pull request #4395 from Charcoal-SE/auto-blacklist-1597851396) (running on Makyen/EC2-linux)

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted user (71): How to get a time zone from a location using latitude and longitude coordinates? by Maximus Su on stackoverflow.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad ip for hostname in body (1): Couldn't able to connect to WiFi in Xubuntu as there is no such option for enable WiFi by Genius on stackoverflow.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad ip for hostname in body (1): Handling special characters in SOLR search for sitecore 9.1 ✏️ by Ange Chakurov on sitecore.SE

user12986714

17:06

!!/report stackoverflow.com/questions/63602447/…

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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported question (93): finding a Phoenix SEO Consultant? by Blackboxconsulting on stackoverflow.com

Robert Columbia

!!/report stackoverflow.com/q/63602447/6471538

SmokeDetector

@RobertColumbia Post 1: Already recently reported [ MS ]

tpu- feedback received

Robert Columbia

@SmokeDetector k

user12986714

!!/report stackoverflow.com/questions/740620/… "vandalism"

SmokeDetector

17:07

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported question (93): What's the best way to enable/disable some controls amongst multiple controls under various different condition? ✏️ by a deleted user on stackoverflow.com

Makyen

17:17

@user12986714 I agree that the edit is excessive, but it's a bit outside the purview of SD to detect something like that, given that it's not straight-up vandalism.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Mostly punctuation marks in answer (36): Tool that generates xml file from toml file by kuldeep patel on stackoverflow.com

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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Mostly non-latin answer (49): VSCode not auto completing HTML by suvalakshmi on stackoverflow.com

Processed Meat

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Q: How to report intrisically spammy user accounts?

Sometimes, I notice that some very odd username is listed on Home as having earned the "Autobiographer" badge, where by "odd" I mean something very much non-mathematical and intrinsically spammy, such as this account. Invariably, the "About me" section turns out to be spam, actually. Is there any...

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in body (1): C++ code with Hmac method to be converted into python code by Ahmed Abdelhakem on stackoverflow.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in link text in body (69): In a spreadsheet, can you force pasting from the system clipboard? by John on superuser.com

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Mast

!!/watch- consultblackbox\.com

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PR#4495 ("Mast: Watch consultblackbox\.com") opened by SmokeDetector

fp- feedback received on [MS] VSCode not auto completing HTML

tp feedback received on [MS] To what extent can one use scientific articles in other fields as previous art - example from fiber optics to wireless

tp feedback received on [MS] DNA Analytics in the Cloud - Cloud computing environment for biological data (Illumina) - Patent Application - PRIOR ART REQUEST

tp feedback received on [MS] Using patents for research

tp feedback received on [MS] Prior art for preparation of functionalized zeolitic frameworks

tp feedback received on [MS] Have there been any attempts at classifying patent classes

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at beginning of body (44): Nginx reverse dns with cloudflare by masuking on serverfault.com

Mast

17:40

!!/watch- creative-bioarray\.com

SmokeDetector

@Mast That pattern looks like it's already caught by Potentially bad keyword in answer and Potentially bad keyword in body; append -force if you really want to do that.

fp- feedback received

Spevacus

Lots of backlog of that domain in the Ask Patents review queue.

Was just clearing them out.

SmokeDetector

fp- feedback received on [MS] C++ code with Hmac method to be converted into python code

fp- feedback received on [MS] What's the best way to enable/disable some controls amongst multiple controls under various different condition?

Mast

@Spevacus Yea, thanks.

Spevacus

;D

Mast

17:43

That clearly deserves to be nuked.

SmokeDetector

tp feedback received on [MS] Does Sonus Complete Relief Medication Provide Long Lasting Advantages?

fp feedback received on [MS] Configuration Postfix load balancing transport_maps

fp feedback received on [MS] Что не так в настройке 301-редиректа на главное www-зеркало сайта?

fp feedback received on [MS] My domain does not show any data on neilpatel portal

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer (61): Windows 10 failed during update. All fixes I've attempted have failed by aliyar aliyar on superuser.com

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Spevacus

!!/watch- techinspiration\.net

SmokeDetector

17:58

PR#4496 ("Spevacus: Watch techinspiration\.net") opened by SmokeDetector

Spevacus

Last hit was a year ago by the same (maybe?) user. Worth a watch, I guess.

SmokeDetector

fp feedback received on [MS] Insecure SSL certificate during domain transfer

fp feedback received on [MS] Beautiful Soup web scraping: How do i scrap this particular html structure

naa feedback received on [MS] SQL injection with 500 error code

DavidPostill

!!/report superuser.com/a/1580832/337631

SmokeDetector

@DavidPostill Post 1: Already recently reported [ MS ]

fp feedback received on [MS] Discord.js Error: addRole is not a function

user12986714

!!/report stackoverflow.com/questions/63602914/…

SmokeDetector

18:03

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer (94): Bsc in Software Engineering vs Bsc in information Technology Job Opportunities? by kuldeep patel on stackoverflow.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, bad keyword with email in answer, pattern-matching email in answer, potentially bad keyword in answer (270): Google Apps Script Spreadsheet Comment Automation by moanna annabel on stackoverflow.com

tpu- feedback received on [MS] Bsc in Software Engineering vs Bsc in information Technology Job Opportunities?

tpu- feedback received

Robert Columbia

@SmokeDetector k

SmokeDetector

@RobertColumbia That message is not a report.

naa- feedback received on [MS] Bsc in Software Engineering vs Bsc in information Technology Job Opportunities?

tpu- feedback received on [MS] Bsc in Software Engineering vs Bsc in information Technology Job Opportunities?

Mast

!!/watch- kuldeeppatel1786(?:@gmail\.com)?

SmokeDetector

PR#4497 ("Mast: Watch kuldeeppatel1786(?:@gmail\.com)?") opened by SmokeDetector

janw

Meh, didn't the question just ask for such answers?

SmokeDetector

18:06

tp feedback received on [MS] What would you call an API that helps you retrieve images and other related information?

Mast

!!/test-q +234 8089906968 wattsapp +2348089906968

SmokeDetector

> Bad keyword in body
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Bad keyword in body - Position 1-15: 234 8089906968, Position 26-39: 2348089906968

fp feedback received on [MS] What would you call an API that helps you retrieve images and other related information?

Mast

@janw The question is absolutely crap, that doesn't mean people should leave their e-mail address in an answer with the offer to help them by e-mail.

@SmokeDetector Would be valid on SO, but what the heck is that doing on ELL.

janw

@Mast Sure, but should we spam-flag such answers? I flagged NAA.

Mast

@janw An e-mail address is unsolicited service IMO.

So yes, that's spam.

Robert Columbia

18:12

IIIRC the general rule is that disclosure (which was provided) only makes the answer non-spam if the answer actually answers the question. Just giving out an email address doesn't answer the question. Similarly, answering "Buy our dietary supplements...." is still spam even with the magic word "our".

SmokeDetector

fp feedback received on [MS] How is the problem supposed to be solved?

fp feedback received on [MS] Trying to find out calculation

Mast

> A post should be marked as spam only if it advertises a product, service, or similar and is unsolicited or lacks disclosure.

2

SmokeDetector

tp feedback received on [MS] Identifying 2 poisoned wines out of 2^n wines

Mast

(product | service | similar) & (unsolicited | no-disclosure)

E-mail is always unsolicited, spam.

2

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tp feedback received on [MS] Finding 2 poisoned bottles of wine out of a 1000

fp feedback received on [MS] Matrices for Newtons Method for a bvp

naa feedback received on [MS] PDF of Conditional Distribution

fp feedback received on [MS] Calculations Faster Than A Calculator

tpu- feedback received on [MS] PDF of Conditional Distribution

tp feedback received on [MS] Calculating logs and fractional exponents by hand

tp feedback received on [MS] Probability and the Collatz Problem

janw

18:18

@Mast Yeah, I also recalled this definition, checked their profile and figured that a 100 rep penalty is probably overkill. But thanks for clarifying - sometimes it is a bit difficult to tell the difference between NAA and spam.

SmokeDetector

fp feedback received on [MS] How to determine a sentence is proposition or not?

fp feedback received on [MS] Question on logic and functions with the use of implications and proofs

fp feedback received on [MS] Interpolation between iterations of exponentials (and logarithms)

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted user (71): Error on msg command from WIndows 10 machine to Windows XP ✏️ by kuldeep patel on stackoverflow.com

fp feedback received

user12986714

19:06

!!/allspam stackoverflow.com/users/14099269/ibrahim-abdulrahman-olarewaju

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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer (batch report: post 1 out of 4) (94): Convert websocket server to client by Ibrahim Abdulrahman Olarewaju on stackoverflow.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer (batch report: post 2 out of 4) (94): Long polling scalable architecture in tornado/cyclone by Ibrahim Abdulrahman Olarewaju on stackoverflow.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer (batch report: post 3 out of 4) (94): Reactive Kafka Consumers with Websockets by Ibrahim Abdulrahman Olarewaju on stackoverflow.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer (batch report: post 4 out of 4) (94): Rails Action Cable not transmitting a broadcast by Ibrahim Abdulrahman Olarewaju on stackoverflow.com

tpu- feedback received on [MS] Reactive Kafka Consumers with Websockets

tpu- feedback received on [MS] Long polling scalable architecture in tornado/cyclone

Robert Columbia

@SmokeDetector k

user12986714

!!/report stackoverflow.com/questions/63604248/…

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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported question (93): Does anyone know where I can find developers that have built software they're looking to sell? by storm on stackoverflow.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in body (1): Frustating - iOS Safari/Chrome jQuery modal Preventing background scrolling by Salvo U Principale on stackoverflow.com

tpu- feedback received on [MS] Does anyone know where I can find developers that have built software they're looking to sell?

fp feedback received

Robert Columbia

@SmokeDetector k

Dharman

19:23

Does anyone know if there is a reliable way to check when a post was deleted via API? How does SD do this?

ArtOfCode

Ask for the post record

If it doesn't exist, it either never existed, or was deleted

so if you know for sure that it did exist at one point, then you know for sure that it has been deleted

SmokeDetector

19:42

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Toxic answer detected (80): How to wait for task created by create_task() to complete? by aaaaaa on stackoverflow.com

tp feedback received

user12986714

sd - tpu-

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer (86): How to use "quoted-printable" content-transfer-encoding with BizTalk AS2 receiving? by Victor on stackoverflow.com

fp feedback received

DavidPostill

!!/report superuser.com/a/1580715/337631

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer (94): How do I convert 10-bit H.265 videos to H.264 without quality loss? by Gu Chris on superuser.com

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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in body (1): New array on heap causing "malloc(): invalid next size (unsorted)" error by Piotrek on stackoverflow.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in answer (1): How can I absorb Toriel's SOUL? ✏️ by Steven on gaming.SE

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fp- feedback received on [MS] New array on heap causing "malloc(): invalid next size (unsorted)" error

Makyen

20:01

!!/watch- dumbofab\.com

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[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklists reloaded at rev 2798cf2 (SmokeDetector: Auto watch of dumbofab\.com by Makyen) (running on teward/Osiris)

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad ip for hostname in body (1): Generation of 'new log probabilities' in continuous action space PPO by Gideon on ai.SE

iBug/Sandy: Executing automatic scheduled reboot.

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started in standby mode at rev 58848be (SmokeDetector: Merge pull request #4194 from Charcoal-SE/auto-blacklist-1594973069) (running on iBug/Sandy)

Robert Columbia

20:27

@SmokeDetector f

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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially problematic ns configuration in answer (1): How to check String Pool Contents? by Thieffen on stackoverflow.com

naa- feedback received

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at beginning of body (44): How can Photoshop alone cost USD $21/month but Photoshop AND "Lightroom" costs $10/month? by Chantal on graphicdesign.SE

user435118

20:45

@ThomasWard Based on evidence I have no reason to believe otherwise.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially problematic ns configuration in body (1): Nvidia driver 390 broken dependencies install preventing uninstall or new install by Yume on askubuntu.com

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ArtOfCode

@Daniil I spent about an hour yesterday and about 45 minutes today going through about 100 notifications and looking at every one, so... yeah, people look at issues

SmokeDetector

21:12

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad ns for domain in answer (1): Does WinRAR detect duplicate files? by zwei7 on superuser.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in body (1): Smart School M S Does any one can make for free to end of life? by Mohammad Zubair Qureishy on stackoverflow.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad ns for domain in answer (1): `javac.exe` not found in the `jdk\bin` by Ujjwal on stackoverflow.com

David Buck

Evening all. I have for your delight, a new user who has decided to post 12 answers linking to their own YouTube video... stackoverflow.com/users/14029625/alireza

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in answer (1): MongoDB installation on windows throws error by Önder Fatih BUHURCU on stackoverflow.com

Spevacus

21:32

@DavidBuck Wow... Yikes.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad ip for hostname in body (1): Sticky position is not working for safari despite using Webkit by Chris on stackoverflow.com

Robert Columbia

@SmokeDetector f

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in answer (78): How to connect Android App connecting to a web service ✏️ by Siddharth Kumar on stackoverflow.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in answer (1): Skype link in Email Signature does not work on gmail client ✏️ by kevoh on stackoverflow.com

user435118

21:53

@ArtOfCode If the change was one persons idea and was made without an "issue", why do I need to make one to reverse it?

ArtOfCode

Because you don't have the code access to make the change yourself

Thus, if you want someone to change it for you, you gotta put it somewhere that those people find useful

SmokeDetector

teward/Osiris: Executing automatic scheduled reboot.

user435118

I repeat what I said on Keybase: (on which you've ignored my messages)

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[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev 2798cf2 (SmokeDetector: Auto watch of dumbofab\.com by Makyen) (running on teward/Osiris, Python 3.6.9)

user435118

> Of course, the person who only knows basic GH is going to attack Smokey

SmokeDetector

21:55

Restart: API quota is 7654.

user435118

Anyway, I'm not trying to get code access here, that's not my point.

user435118

@ArtOfCode I'm not changing it for me, no-one approved for your decision at the time.

ArtOfCode

But I have the access to just do it, so I didn't have to ticket it to get someone else to do it :P

user435118

You just went off and made the change without leaving a way to see the actual review count (apart from the bug but that displays it but you were not aware of that so it should not be mentioned in this discussion). Then when I ask a way to see the count presuming the bug gets fixed soon you insult me by saying not to start an argument.

user435118

(stupid keyboard)

user435118

22:01

@ArtOfCode Even if I had the access, when a problem is being discussed I would not go and make my solution take effect because I have access and others don't.

Mast

!!/test-q articles.ably.com/websockets/ib

SmokeDetector

> Would not be caught as a question.

ArtOfCode

You asked for a solution to the high review count, I gave you one. It wasn't your solution, no, and it may not be the best solution, but that's what it was trying to do. Frankly I don't care whether it's displayed or not, but you'd have got a lot further in asking for it to be changed back if you had a constructive discussion and followed requests like creating issues instead or arguing and obstructing.

Mast

!!/watch- articles\.ably\.com

SmokeDetector

PR#4498 ("Mast: Watch articles\.ably\.com") opened by SmokeDetector

ArtOfCode

22:04

sdc approve 4498

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[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklists reloaded at rev 166f28c (SmokeDetector: Merge pull request #4498 from Charcoal-SE/auto-blacklist-1598479468) (running on teward/Osiris)

ArtOfCode

sdc alive

SmokeDetector

@ArtOfCode Yup

fp- feedback received on [MS] How can Photoshop alone cost USD $21/month but Photoshop AND "Lightroom" costs $10/month?

user435118

@ArtOfCode That's not the point. When there is a group discussion you do not go and implement your solution without anyone else's opinion because you have access and others don't.

ArtOfCode

...ideally you don't misrepresent what discussion was had either...

user435118

22:08

Also I don't see why I should make an effort to change something back when it was never agreed on by anyone.

user435118

@ArtOfCode What am I misrepresenting exactly?

ArtOfCode

There was a brief mention of it being an issue, so like many other brief mentions of small issues, I threw a quick solution in. There was no big discussion about it. Solving stuff quickly like that is how we've always worked, on the basis that we can always do something else or change it back if it didn't work right

@Daniil Because you're the one who wants it changed back. It is the way of life that if you want something, you get to put in the work to make it happen - or you ask nicely those who can, which includes doing the things they ask you to like creating tickets

user435118

The problem was not urgent enough for there to be an immediate solution implemented which was agreed to by no-one bar one person and wasn't a direct solution to the problem.

ArtOfCode

Urgency doesn't come into it.

user435118

We're going in circles now.

SmokeDetector

22:12

iBug/Coral: Executing automatic scheduled reboot.

ArtOfCode

We've fixed tiny minor stuff with a quick solution like that as well as big issues. It's a way of working that solves stuff quickly assuming it can be changed again later if necessary

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[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started in standby mode at rev 9240024 (SmokeDetector: Auto watch of lasercut24\.net by Eliah Kagan) (running on iBug/Coral)

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in answer (1): Using Siri to automatically add Outlook events to iCal Calendar by Loris Foe on apple.SE

user435118

@ArtOfCode It wasn't a complete solution or any solution at all actually and this could have been discussed. Just because a person has write access to make the change themselves doesn't mean they should follow a different procedure from a person who doesn't have access if it's not a serious problem.

user435118

You could have made an issue about this, made a PR or even just asked here before implementing it yourself.

ArtOfCode

Re-read the second sentence of my last message.

Yes, I could, and for significant changes I would, but this is a small thing and we do better by solving small things with quick fixes

user435118

22:16

And read the first sentence in my second-to-last message.

user435118

@ArtOfCode Of course it's a small thing because "you don't care" and it doesn't impact you.

ArtOfCode

The UI impact is small, the code impact is small, the functional impact is small. It's small. The only thing that's taken it out of proportion is the endless arguing about it.

I've made my point of view clear enough.

I don't care whether it's displayed as the count or as 50+. You have two choices: if you want it changed, open an issue and hope someone can find the time for it; or, refuse to do so on some sort of principle, and continue to complain fruitlessly.

Feel free to choose either, but fair warning: if you choose the latter and it continues to disrupt this room, I'm going to have to look at ways to prevent it doing so.

user435118

@ArtOfCode Stop insulting me, you've insulted me 3 times in the past day(s). A discussion is not an argument. Me having a discussion with someone else is not an argument. Me asking a question will not necessarily lead to an argument. Me stating my view is not an argument. Not everything I say/do will lead to/is an argument.

ArtOfCode

If I have to moderate it, it's an argument.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected (78): AuthReply: I HATE YOU response while using git cvsimport by freedom on stackoverflow.com

tpu- feedback received

ArtOfCode

22:22

Anyway. That's all I needed to say on that.

user435118

@ArtOfCode I don't see you moderating anything here.

ArtOfCode

Not right now, no, but plenty previously.

user435118

@ArtOfCode So stop insulting me and saying that this is an argument when you've implicitly said it's not.

SmokeDetector

API quota rolled over with 7404 requests remaining. Current quota: 19999.

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ArtOfCode

I have not once said that this discussion we're having right now is an argument.

user435118

22:26

@ArtOfCode Well I care. So I don't see the reasons why the person who doesn't care makes a change because they have access (without the approval of anyone else) but the person who does care and who the change will make a effect on (even if small) has to go through the trouble of making an issue and has to somehow hope that someone finds time for it when it's proven by evidence that a lot of issues aren't paid attention to all because a person who don't care made a change because they have access.

ArtOfCode

That's also not an insult. You may not like it, but not everything I don't like is insulting me.

@Daniil if you got time, you do it and I'll merge it. If not, you've been told the process - either use it or accept that you have no leg to stand on.

Mast

Mar 5 '16 at 20:03, by Undo

we're a team, not a democracy.

user435118

@ArtOfCode You've accused me of having arguments 3 times in the past day(s) when none of those were arguments.

user435118

@ArtOfCode Latter part of chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/55366117#55366117 .

user435118

Also the last part of

user435118

22:29

8 mins ago, by ArtOfCode

Feel free to choose either, but fair warning: if you choose the latter and it continues to disrupt this room, I'm going to have to look at ways to prevent it doing so.

ArtOfCode

@Daniil which does not say "this discussion right here", it refers in general.

user435118

You are suggesting that my discussion is "disrupting this room".

ArtOfCode

Anyway. I've said my piece, I'm going to bed, if you want out of the hole you've dug yourself then stop digging and follow the bleeding process that you've been given.

Night all

user435118

@ArtOfCode Because every point I make will end up in an argument, right?

user435118

@ArtOfCode I don't think I've "dug" myself anything here. I've simply raised some points in (what I would think) is a respectful manner considering that I've been insulted 3 times by you in the past day(s). 4 if I count now.

user435118

22:38

@ArtOfCode So I've got to go through the trouble of searching through the commits, reverting it and guessing if the code works (I don't know Ruby at all) just in case you find time, even though the change in question doesn't affect you, is not a solution to the problem discussed and was not agreed on by anyone apart from you. Correct?

user435118

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@Jenayah What was the reasoning behind 4482? 0 results on Metasmoke...

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thesecretmaster

23:11

@Daniil I don't quite follow why this change is so important to you, and I'm not interested in having an extended discussion about it, but in my experience, the best way to make change in Charcoal is to make that change easy for people.

The best way to do that in this case would be to open a PR. Since you're not familiar with ruby (which is fine and shouldn't be an obstacle), you need to get someone who develops metasmoke to do it for you. The best way to convince one of us to do it would be to make it as quick and easy as possible for an MS dev to go in and make the change.

Now, at this point, 2/3 of the MS developers have explicitly said to you "if you want us to work on this, please put it in an issue" and I have a feeling the third would agree. If you want this change to happen, following those instructions seems like the most obvious and best way to go about it.

If you want to increase the speed at which this happens, you should make it as easy as possible for the developers to do it (i.e. find all the files that relate to this feature and list them in the issue, find the commits in which this change was made, etc.) and explain the reasoning for why this change is helpful, answering questions and concerns in a calm respectful manner and being open to the alternative ideas.

Now, what's not going to help you is frustrating the only people who can actually implement your changes. So, if you're actually interested in making this happen, I'd suggest that you 1) make an issue, 2) stop bringing it up in this room, and 3) stop frustrating the only people who have the access and knowledge to actually implement the changes you want to see.

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user435118

@thesecretmaster Happy?.

user435118

49 mins ago, by Daniil

@ArtOfCode I don't think I've "dug" myself anything here. I've simply raised some points in (what I would think) is a respectful manner considering that I've been insulted 3 times by you in the past day(s). 4 if I count now.

Undo

Okay.

We're going to have a Talk.

6

user435118

@Daniil I'll find the commit(s), give me a few min.

Undo

23:25

The last ~3 weeks, there's been a constant stream of drama in my inbox from CHQ and Keybase.

I haven't addressed it because, frankly, I've been busy real-lifing.

thesecretmaster

@Daniil Thank you! Tone is hard to get right over the interwebs, but I genuinely appreciate you doing that. I am a forgetful person and I really like to be able to look at issues to decide what to work on when I have free time and feel like doing MS things instead of needing to scroll through transcripts looking for things I half remember somebody saying. I've added the appropriate tags and I appreciate you working to help us help you :)

Undo

That was a huge disservice to the room and the people contributing to these projects.

So I'm going to make some things very clear.

Feeds

Undo has frozen this room.

Undo

(symbolic but please respect it)

user435118

@thesecretmaster Here is the commit.

user435118

23:27

@Undo Ok

Undo

1. This is not a democracy. People who have high levels of access, especially metasmoke access, have it because I trust them to make all levels of decisions.

I don't know who implemented the 50+ change, and I don't care. Everyone with keys to MS has the ability to make that level of change at will

seriously

> When there is a group discussion you do not go and implement your solution without anyone else's opinion because you have access and others don't.

user435118

@Undo It's blocking the Smokey reports. Maybe we can do this in another room?

Undo

Yes, that is how things work here. You've heard me say we're not a democracy, perhaps not why

STOP

this is not a hot time for Smokey reports, I am using my discretion.

We are not a democracy because democracy is slow, drama-filled, and is a solution to a problem we don't have.

Everyone here admin & above has my full trust to be sane. They have authority to make decisions at will, and discretion to defer those decisions.

This attitude of ownership in the project, to the extent of demanding changes be made by volunteers, or rolled back, needs to stop.

It is causing drama, and I have zero bandwidth for drama right now.

Fellow admins and benevolent dictators, who are usually far more patient than I am, are also out of patience.

I will protect this project, and the people working on it, with all the authority I have.

I promise that.

Protection includes "remove wastes of time"

I make no promises about how, only that my patience for drama is over

tl;dr: Charcoal populace does not have to agree on something for it to be implemented. We're agile and will stay that way. Do not create drama, it will lead to pallets of bricks doing things.

8

thank you for coming to my ted talk.

2

Feeds

Undo has unfrozen this room.

user435118

Can I speak now?

Undo

23:36

Yes

user435118

I'm surprised your freeze didn't break the whole Smokey by the way. When I've had ChatExchange issues before its failed to all rooms

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user435118

I still managed to get a response from Smokey which was weird

Undo

eh, it'd recover if it did. Always does.

user435118

@Undo I don't remember me demanding anything.

user435118

23:40

@Undo I actually would like you to reconsider whether you still trust Art and whether you want someone who insults other people having your trust and to be in such a position of leadership.

Undo

Okay we're done.

user435118

Ok

Undo

Welcome to talk when you aren't going to try to divide leadership. That's toxic af.

user435118

@thesecretmaster Thanks for being understanding :)

user435118

@Undo What's "af"?

Undo

23:42

@Daniil urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=af

I also don't swear much, it's a pretty good indication that I'm pretty dang irritated.

thesecretmaster

@Daniil "As (poisoned) Fudge"

user435118

@Undo I don't want to talk with you either. I don't feel comfortable talking with you or most of the other Admins.

Undo

That's a good indication that this is a bad place to be. With legitimately no blame assigned - perhaps we are jerks and can't see it. If so, the best choice for you is to not associate with jerks.

user435118

@thesecretmaster I wish :) Why do people need to use swearing? sigh

Undo

Certainly don't continue trying to contribute to a project were you can't trust leadership

That goes for open source projects, companies, heck... relationships.

It's a hard road with minimal reward. Not worth it.

user435118

23:46

@Undo I can trust some leadership here. Well 2/6 or 3/8 Admins to be precise.

user435118

If I didn't trust any leadership I wouldn't be here.

Undo

Well... don't continue working for a company where you hate the president, CEO, and CTO, but can tolerate the CFO. Especially if you work under the CTO.

user435118

@Undo No idea what most of those mean. Also don't know how to apply that to here.

Undo

President -> CEO are the top two levels

CTO and CFO report to the CEO

(Chief Technology / Financial Officers)

user435118

@Undo Also I didn't mention who those 2/6 or 3/8 were so no need to make assumptions.

Undo

23:50

You said you can't trust me and Art

Which... is a pretty bad start, in a project run by me and Art

user435118

Somehow strange that you came and @thesecretmaster (sorry to involve you by the way) came. Same previous interaction, presented messages in different tones but I responded to one better than the other. Why do you think so?

Undo

TSM is an excellent person and easy to get along with.

user435118

@Undo So you're saying your not?

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Undo

Clearly harder to get along with than someone you do get along with

user435118

23:54

Your tone was way off.

thesecretmaster

Well, if it means anything, I think you're also excellent to get along with @Undo <3 I think that maybe it's hard to pick up on when we all just have less time to work on MS then we used to and are less present in CHQ, but if it means anything to you @Daniil I have a lot of respect for Undo and the way he handles this project and I agree with just about everything he's said so far.

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