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6:00 PM

@ArtOfCode True, for collecting data for something like this (if it was possible to get deleted question data), i.e. where you're not trying for it to be human-interactive, it's quite reasonable to use a much slower request rate, particularly if you're trying not to impact other things (even just overall load on the SE API servers).

Point is moot since we can't actually use the API for this purpose, but 2 hours isn't actually that bad given that we wouldn't need to use the data right away anyway

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Shortened url in answer (56): How to check if a list exists in Python ✏️ by a deleted user on stackoverflow.com

fp- by Erik the Outgolfer

Erik the Outgolfer

@SmokeDetector Nope, points to the real docs.

naa- by Zoe on how to make team members section using bootstrap? [MS]

6:18 PM

Why did the edit bump the previous revision? For this one:

15 mins ago, by SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Shortened url in answer (56): How to check if a list exists in Python ✏️ by a deleted user on stackoverflow.com

Shouldn't Smokey have seen the current revision, and used that rather than revision n-1 ?

Erik the Outgolfer

it was edited after Smokey saw it

@ArtOfCode True (both points). As has been mentioned, it looks like both the creation and deletion dates are available from PostsWithDeleted in SEDE, or using one of the data dumps.

Erik the Outgolfer

(and pretty sure because it did, btw)

SEDE it is... the data dumps are terrible for automation

Is there any convenient way to programmatically query SEDE, or do we need to scrape the page for results?

6:23 PM

@EriktheOutgolfer There was a new answer 4 minutes before the edit

Erik the Outgolfer

that sounds irrelevant

it wasn't caught anyway

No, because it was the new answer that caused Smokey to scan the whole post.

Erik the Outgolfer

yeah, still before the edit

it might've also been an edit to the question, or any of the answers

@Makyen You can get CSV results from SEDE queries

@CalvT Ah, that's the badger I think

6:26 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in body (1): Security Package by Davidwestcoast on security.SE

I was wondering why the report pre-timed the edit, but assumed it was because my system clock was off

fp- by Erik the Outgolfer

I forgot the activity elsewhere could trigger a scan of associated content

I'm guessing it got reported in SOCVR first, and gunr2171 saw it and edited before it got reported here

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in title (1): Where to buy Kratom in Bonn? by docp on travel.SE (@JoErNanO)

6:28 PM

How asychronous are reports? Would we get a notification here 5 minutes after SOCVR?

It's the message rate limiter

Erik the Outgolfer

the large delays are usually suffered by the Taverners :P

@EriktheOutgolfer They have a system delay if I recall correctly

@bertieb The message rate limiter is per domain, so as smokey only reports to SOCVR, there's practically no limit. However all chat.se messages go through the same limiter, which causes the delay

All the site specific rooms etc

Smokey only reports to SOCVR?

eh?

6:33 PM

@bertieb On chat.so right?

Oh, I see now

Yeah sorry it wasn't clear

No problem :)

I'm a bit confused at times by the relationships

Ever since I joined the Chearcoal Team, all the SE-wide emails come from "Stack Overflow"

@ArtOfCode Thanks. Obviously, I should investigate more prior to asking.

Erik the Outgolfer

@bertieb no, SOBotics too

6:35 PM

Something something something, trilogy site

Oh true, I forgot about that one. However 2 rooms is a lot less than the rooms on chat.se

@EriktheOutgolfer @CalvT I didn't even know the SO rooms were hosted on a separate domain

shrug

Erik the Outgolfer

most of them

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad ns for domain in answer, repeated url at end of long post (101): Can I apply for a transit visa in Oman? by Vicky on travel.SE (@JoErNanO)

And I'm not sure why they are either

I'm not over in that direction that often :P

Erik the Outgolfer

6:36 PM

there is a stackoverflow.com host here in chat.SE too

tpu- by bertieb

@bertieb There's chat.stackexchange.com, chat.stackoverflow.com, and chat.meta.stackexchange.com

But whyyyyyy :P

I mean...

(Okay, architecture, load-separating, separation etc but still)

There's 22 rooms on chat.se that Smokey reports to

Erik the Outgolfer

@bertieb not sure about that either... I suspect it might be on purpose not for servers' sake, but for rep from other sites not to count

6:39 PM

@bertieb There are 3 rooms on chat.SO in which SD reports.

@Makyen And growing with each reply :P

I've got one room, one room... two rooms, two rooms!... three! Three rooms on chat.SO; going once, going twice...

Erik the Outgolfer

not sure if chat.SO is subject to the same rate limits as chat.SE and chat.meta.SE, though

@EriktheOutgolfer As good an explanation as any :)

Erik the Outgolfer

yeah, although it doesn't explain why the heck it's on an entirely separate server

and thus I also have to set the "quicker notifications" setting for all three servers!

I 'unno

I still wanna know why my emails come from SO now :P

There's probably a Meta about it

6:44 PM

@EriktheOutgolfer Yeah it is - it's the same software underneath

@bertieb rebranding

Erik the Outgolfer

@CalvT but it's another server

!!/watch musafirevisa\.com

@EriktheOutgolfer Aren't all three separate servers?

[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklists reloaded at rev 5d8cde5 (SmokeDetector: Auto watch of musafirevisa\.com by K.Dᴀᴠɪs --autopull) (running on teward/Solar Flare)

Erik the Outgolfer

6:45 PM

@CalvT I think so

@WELZ Ah, unrelated to joining a Team then?

Erik the Outgolfer

SE is often substituted for SO nowadays...

Nope, they are switching their brand back to SO (because of teams and $) (this is all my opinion)

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad ns for domain in answer, potentially bad keyword in answer, repeated url at end of long post, blacklisted user (170): Oman Visa for Russian Women by Vicky on travel.SE (@JoErNanO)

tpu- by K.Dᴀᴠɪs

All I know is that they are all totally separate from the main site, because when they did the freeze awhile back chat still worked

Erik the Outgolfer

6:46 PM

not sure... I think it might even be that SO and SE are really two companies, one being a subsidiary of the other (although not sure which is which)

Ok thanks

@NobodyNada In case you are not aware, NobodyNada/Raspberry Pi last pinged MS 15 hours ago.

@Makyen it ran out of disk space. Fixed; thanks

np. I just happened to notice.

@ArtOfCode I suspect you're aware, but just in case you're not: ArtOfCode/TRINITY last pinged MS 2 days ago.

@bertieb I'm pretty sure it's just for historical reasons (cc @EriktheOutgolfer)

Erik the Outgolfer

6:57 PM

chat was invented after SE, no?

(pretty sure chat was invented somewhere in 2010, while SE 1.0 existed prior to that)

yay, speculation

Restart: API quota is 19676.

Erik the Outgolfer

!!/location

@EriktheOutgolfer teward/Solar Flare

@EriktheOutgolfer NobodyNada/Raspberry Pi

Erik the Outgolfer

!!/standby rasp

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started in standby mode at rev 9da4f89 (𝐢𝐁𝐮𝐠 ♦: Update .gitattributes) (running on NobodyNada/Raspberry Pi)

6:59 PM

@Henders Just in case you're not aware, Henders/EC2 last pinged MS 6 days ago.

@NobodyNada Fair enough!

@EriktheOutgolfer Based on this, it looks like there was originally chat.SO, chat.MSO, chat.SU, and chat.SF

Then they merged chat.SU and chat.SF with chat.SE when launching SE 2.0. They decided chat.SO should be left alone since it's huge, and chat.MSO should be left alone since it wasn't clear whether it belonged with SO or SE.

Erik the Outgolfer

except that chat.meta.stackoverflow.com redirects to chat.meta.SE

If NobodyNada/Raspberry Pi comes out of standby again, it would be a good idea to !!/pull. The commit it's on is one that's know to have more issues (e.g. with excessive memory consumption) than latter commits. This might be a reason why it wasn't pinging MS.

Erik the Outgolfer

hm, maybe we can do that now, but, eh, eh, eh...

7:07 PM

@Makyen Thanks; I'll pull right now.

NobodyNada/Raspberry Pi received failover signal.

!!/pull

!!/test textnow.vip

[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklists reloaded at rev 5d8cde5 (SmokeDetector: Auto watch of musafirevisa\.com by K.Dᴀᴠɪs --autopull) (running on teward/Solar Flare)

> Potentially bad keyword in body, potentially bad keyword in title, potentially bad keyword in username
----------
Title - Position 0-11: textnow.vip
Body - Position 0-11: textnow.vip
Username - Position 0-11: textnow.vip

Erik the Outgolfer

um, where is NobodyNada/Raspberry Pi?

7:08 PM

Pulling

!!/test bluestacks.vip

> Potentially bad keyword in body, potentially bad keyword in title, potentially bad keyword in username
----------
Title - Position 0-14: bluestacks.vip
Body - Position 0-14: bluestacks.vip
Username - Position 0-14: bluestacks.vip

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev 5d8cde5 (SmokeDetector: Auto watch of musafirevisa\.com by K.Dᴀᴠɪs --autopull) (running on NobodyNada/Raspberry Pi, Python 3.5.3)

> Potentially bad keyword in body, potentially bad keyword in title, potentially bad keyword in username
----------
Title - Position 0-14: bluestacks.vip
Body - Position 0-14: bluestacks.vip
Username - Position 0-14: bluestacks.vip

Erik the Outgolfer

!!/standby rasp

(pull is done)

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started in standby mode at rev 5d8cde5 (SmokeDetector: Auto watch of musafirevisa\.com by K.Dᴀᴠɪs --autopull) (running on NobodyNada/Raspberry Pi)

👍

7:12 PM

!!/test inro.in

> Would not be caught as a post, title or username.

can we watch that inro.in domain? Not as confirmed spam domain but as potential spam domain?

Erik the Outgolfer

never been caught, it seems

!!/watch inro\.in

[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklists reloaded at rev fc221fd (SmokeDetector: Auto watch of inro\.in by Makyen --autopull) (running on teward/Solar Flare)

Erik the Outgolfer

7:15 PM

hmm...

@rene Watched keywords: anything is game, but be prepared to have it removed if circumstances require it.

From the wiki

Erik the Outgolfer

for example, blacklisting is such a circumstance ;-P

@CalvT thx

@EriktheOutgolfer All joking aside, I think the primary issue being thought about there was the possibility of something that was watched producing excessive FP. :-)

In this case, the desired pattern is relatively simple, but long enough such that it's unlikely to generate FP. It also has no current hits on SE. Thus, the indicators are that it's unlikely to generate large quantities of FP.

Erik the Outgolfer

@Makyen heh, it's a joke :P

7:24 PM

:-)

Erik the Outgolfer

and then, Mak tried to cover up that he missed the joke...

(we all miss jokes)

No jokes allowed under the CoC ruling ...

Erik the Outgolfer

not sure... pretty sure you mean jokes that might offend somebody if taken seriously

I'm already offended ...

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev fc221fd (SmokeDetector: Auto watch of inro\.in by Makyen --autopull) (running on teward/Solar Flare, Python 3.6.5)

Restart: API quota is 17683.

7:34 PM

@EriktheOutgolfer Actually, I was trying to make a joke out of missing the joke, but maybe that was missed. Or, maybe I missed the joke about the joke about missing the joke, or was that the joke about the joke about the joke about missing the joke. :-)

Erik the Outgolfer

@Makyen in my experience, meta-jokes are null

also, you can't make a joke about something you don't know

if you miss something, you don't know it

also, if you still attempt to do that, it's then that you might actually offend people

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in body (93): Removed Post - N/A ✏️ by Antonio Gaspari on stackoverflow.com

tp- by Erik the Outgolfer

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in body, mostly dots in body, mostly dots in title (208): a.................a...........................a ✏️ by HanMah on stackoverflow.com

tp- by Erik the Outgolfer

!!/test-a downloader.vip

> Blacklisted website in answer
----------
Body - Position 0-14: downloader.vip

7:53 PM

@EriktheOutgolfer I'm not sure if you've switched from banter to being serious about the possibility that someone (you???) might have been offended by our previous exchange in the comment I'm replying to and your prior couple of comments. If you're offended, I apologize. It certainly wasn't my intent to offend.

Erik the Outgolfer

@Makyen definitely not offended :P I was talking about the cons of meta-jokes and "tough luck" jokes over there :P

o_o

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Username similar to website in answer (51): Is there any way to connect to the elastic search cluster using the rest client? by Tech Gabs on stackoverflow.com

8:20 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in body (66): Nikah and divorce by Shoclynn Williams on islam.SE

fp- by Erik the Outgolfer

Erik the Outgolfer

@SmokeDetector More on-topic over Law.SE...

8:41 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad ns for domain in body (1): scam with blockchain by devfar on bitcoin.SE

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in answer (86): Is circumcision compulsory for those who want to convert to Islam? What's the Shia perspective? by ArmanBM on islam.SE

fp- by NobodyNada

I don't understand why people leave their legit emails in an unobscured way in a public website.

Well, I say unobscured way but I really mean at all

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer (60): How do I find out what political party a state Supreme Court justice is affiliated with when it's hidden from public by Jeremiah Kebede on politics.SE

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] No whitespace in title (64): DirectoryNotFoundException by Vpanda on stackoverflow.com

fp- by K.Dᴀᴠɪs

8:58 PM

!!/report stackoverflow.com/q/53177725/578411

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported question (93): Regarding online illegal content sharing on websites like "Tamilrockers" and other illegal content related torrents by nirmalsinghkps on stackoverflow.com

!!/report stackoverflow.com/a/53179748/578411

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer (94): Regarding online illegal content sharing on websites like "Tamilrockers" and other illegal content related torrents by user2614890 on stackoverflow.com

tpu- by rene

how have I not discovered Infinifactory before now

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in answer (1): Car possession being threatened by Co-signer by Gainz on money.SE

9:14 PM

@ArtOfCode whispers Factoriooooooooooo

@bertieb Oh I've discovered that one alright :P

!!/watch myjawab\.com

[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklists reloaded at rev 9cef537 (SmokeDetector: Auto watch of myjawab\.com by WELZ --autopull) (running on teward/Solar Flare)

@ArtOfCode Sweet 👍

I don't know why I feel the need to whisper it, but I do that a fair it it seems

user image

Group chat from the other day :P

(not the person's real name, so no pii)

!!/watch tamilrockers\.cl

9:16 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklists reloaded at rev 3ee0fb3 (SmokeDetector: Auto watch of tamilrockers\.cl by WELZ --autopull) (running on teward/Solar Flare)

9:28 PM

naa by bertieb

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad pattern in url answer (69): cosmos db graph api how to check if exist and update edge? by Seb on stackoverflow.com

9:46 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in username (1): Ideas for creating a "Drain / Siphon" magic spell ✏️ by openInvent on sound.SE

10:06 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially problematic ns configuration in body (30): View C++ output in terminal when executing Qt application (macOS) by ds3284 on stackoverflow.com

fp- by K.Dᴀᴠɪs

10:20 PM

tp- by Makyen on Is there any way to connect to the elastic search cluster using the rest client? [MS]

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Misleading link (12): Restore BIP44 HD wallet by user89294 on bitcoin.SE

fp- by Erik the Outgolfer

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in username (1): I want to see all my exchange linked deleted questions? by openInvent on meta.SE

fp- by Makyen

Erik the Outgolfer

@SmokeDetector ig-

Tetsuya Yamamoto

10:58 PM

!!/test musafirevisa.com

> Potentially bad ns for domain in body, potentially bad ns for domain in title, potentially bad keyword in body, potentially bad keyword in title, potentially bad keyword in username
----------
Title - Position 0-16: musafirevisa.com
Title - musafirevisa.com NS suspicious ns59.domaincontrol.com.,ns60.domaincontrol.com.
Body - Position 0-16: musafirevisa.com
Body - musafirevisa.com NS suspicious ns59.domaincontrol.com.,ns60.domaincontrol.com.
Username - Position 0-16: musafirevisa.com

Tetsuya Yamamoto

!!/test bandgap.co.uk

> Potentially bad keyword in body, potentially bad keyword in title, potentially bad keyword in username, potentially problematic ns configuration in body, potentially problematic ns configuration in title
----------
Title - Position 0-13: bandgap.co.uk
Title - Suspicious nameservers: all IP addresses for bandgap.co.uk are in set {'213.175.200.222'}
Body - Position 0-13: bandgap.co.uk
Body - Suspicious nameservers: all IP addresses for bandgap.co.uk are in set {'213.175.200.222'}
Username - Position 0-13: bandgap.co.uk

Tetsuya Yamamoto

!!/test office-setup.co

> Potentially bad keyword in body, potentially bad keyword in title, potentially bad keyword in username, potentially problematic ns configuration in body, potentially problematic ns configuration in title
----------
Title - Position 0-15: office-setup.co
Title - Suspicious nameservers: all IP addresses for office-setup.co are in set {'162.215.252.26'}
Body - Position 0-15: office-setup.co
Body - Suspicious nameservers: all IP addresses for office-setup.co are in set {'162.215.252.26'}
Username - Position 0-15: office-setup.co

Tetsuya Yamamoto

11:00 PM

!!/test office-account.com

> Potentially bad keyword in body, potentially bad keyword in title, potentially bad keyword in username
----------
Title - Position 0-18: office-account.com
Body - Position 0-18: office-account.com
Username - Position 0-18: office-account.com

Tetsuya Yamamoto

!!/test my-norton.net

> Potentially bad keyword in body, potentially bad keyword in title, potentially bad keyword in username
----------
Title - Position 0-13: my-norton.net
Body - Position 0-13: my-norton.net
Username - Position 0-13: my-norton.net

Tetsuya Yamamoto

!!/test nortonkeyactivation.com

> Potentially bad keyword in body, potentially bad keyword in title, potentially bad keyword in username
----------
Title - Position 0-23: nortonkeyactivation.com
Body - Position 0-23: nortonkeyactivation.com
Username - Position 0-23: nortonkeyactivation.com

Tetsuya Yamamoto

11:00 PM

!!/test kudoflow.com

> Potentially bad keyword in body, potentially bad keyword in title, potentially bad keyword in username
----------
Title - Position 0-12: kudoflow.com
Body - Position 0-12: kudoflow.com
Username - Position 0-12: kudoflow.com

Tetsuya Yamamoto

!!/test hotelsafes.com

> Potentially bad keyword in body, potentially bad keyword in title, potentially bad keyword in username
----------
Title - Position 0-14: hotelsafes.com
Body - Position 0-14: hotelsafes.com
Username - Position 0-14: hotelsafes.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in username (1): Feature Request: See deleted posts by openInvent on meta.SE

fp- by Tetsuya Yamamoto

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer (94): Understanding Multiprocessing: Shared Memory Management, Locks and Queues in Python by Sebastian N on stackoverflow.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer (94): Java Mouse Click Dispatch Event by Atakan.P on stackoverflow.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in username (1): How to use hexdump to show charaters in different presentations at the same time by openInvent on stackoverflow.com

fp- by ByteCommander

tpu- by ByteCommander on Java Mouse Click Dispatch Event [MS]

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected, potentially bad keyword in answer, toxic answer detected (162): What does it mean to laugh like the letter k? by schniter on literature.SE (@Mithrandir)

tpu- by K.Dᴀᴠɪs

11:42 PM

@K.Dᴀᴠɪs I do, sorta

Well have fun with your spam-filled inbox asking for teh codez

gime moar

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