Charcoal HQ

3:02 PM

I think we need to have a talk about obliging people and flagging things when someone brings them up

Depending on how the discussion about the post goes, charcoal could look pretty bad concerning that IPS post we helped nuke

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: AEM dispatcher restricting content pages by Albin Issac on stackoverflow.com (@micsthepick)

tpu- by Magisch

Magisch

@SmokeDetector f

fail

Glorfindel

@SmokeDetector f (edited out)

quartata

@Undo MS rather desperately needs a deploy, pullapprove is still broken

Mithrandir

@Magisch at the end of the day, every user has to make the decision whether or not to flag (ignoring autoflags for the moment, which don't apply to manual reports). You also have the option to say that you think that it's not red flaggable.

Undo

3:17 PM

@quartata will do once my machine decides to charge

@Magisch Link?

Magisch

@Undo read up

a bit

Starts here: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/41742649#41742649

Undo

Huh. That's an interesting one

WELZ

IPS r/a question

2 hours ago, 39 minutes total – 46 messages, 12 users, 3 stars

Bookmarked 15 secs ago by WELZ

Mithrandir

I'll say that while I did initially think that it was probably a troll (and I'm not convinced that it's not even now), it probably shouldn't have been deleted so fast. But it's mostly over now, and everyone has learned something... and it'll be interesting to see how those meta posts that haven't been posted yet turn out.

WELZ

It moved to Awkward Silence and became a really looooong discussion

Undo

3:21 PM

whatdya expect from social people? :P

Mithrandir

ominous voice @mag I want to talk to you soon, when I'm available

Undo

Looks like the system worked, honestly - question reported by someone who thought it was shady, some people agreed and nuked it, ensuing discussion about why

with records indicating our disagreement

SmokeDetector

Conflicting feedback on How to say no, during the middle of sex,.

Undo

I do agree that, at face value, it's not R/A

Mithrandir

...I changed my opinion, so changed my feedback

Magisch

3:25 PM

@Mithrandir Do I need to be concerned?

Mithrandir

@Magisch not very

I'm not going to whack you with anything, if that's what you're wondering about

Magisch

ok

Undo

Oh c'mon, passing up an opportunity to whack someone with something? I'm disappointed.

Magisch

@Mithrandir I'm home in about 45 min, so then I'll have time

Mithrandir

'k

Andy

3:40 PM

Are the Parsers in blacklists.py used anywhere? Atom's search is only showing "BlacklistParser" being found in blacklists.py

quartata

Ask @ArtOfCode

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in answer: Aren't the current implementations for multi-factor authentication heavily dependent on a single point of failure? by Christian on security.SE

quartata

I think the other parsers are used but the base BlacklistParser is only inherited from which is weird because they all implement the same trait anyways, this isn't Java

Andy

Atom only finds BasicListParser in blacklist.py too

SmokeDetector

tpu- by Glorfindel

Andy

3:44 PM

same with TSVDictParser

quartata

let me take a look

Well they're instantiated there in that dictionary but the blacklist objects are then used in gitmanager and probably some other places

oh wait a sec I see

@Andy grep for Blacklist(

looks like the usage is that you go Blacklist(<...blacklist type...>) and then you can do .add or .remove and stuff and the parser classes handle the details depending on which blacklist

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in body: Asking for INFO by Amber Latham on stackoverflow.com (@micsthepick)

WELZ

@SmokeDetector k

micsthepick

is there an acronym for off topic?

Undo

Not a feedback one, no

Thomas Ward

3:55 PM

could make one as an alias of fp but I don't see a reason to.

Undo

deploying @quartata

quartata

thanks

fwiw it's really easy to add new feedbacks now, take a look at classes/feedback.py

Byte Commander

15

Q: A Moose, Some Silly Putty ... And A Desperate Plea For Help

Due to a rather unfortunate series of events that can be directly attributed to a surplus of egg nog, the company that provides our hat rentals has requested that we immediately return them without refund. We can't really get into the particulars of what went down, but we did our best to explain ...

That's a cool idea.

Mithrandir

@micsthepick no, but there should be.

We have 'NaA' for answers - why not an equivalent for questions?

Magisch

4:16 PM

@Mithrandir I'm home now

if you wanted to talk

Thomas Ward

@Undo you still around?

quartata

!!/tea

SmokeDetector

@quartata brews a cup of lemon tea for @quartata

Thomas Ward

!!/coffee

SmokeDetector

@ThomasWard brews coffee for @ThomasWard

Thomas Ward

4:19 PM

!!/insanity

SmokeDetector

@ThomasWard No such command 'insanity'.

:P

!!/blame

tsk

@WELZ It's Magisch's fault.

Thomas Ward

4:20 PM

in this case, yes, it is.

quartata

we'll never know who it was going to originally blame since it got stifled by the dash

Thomas Ward

!!/blame-

:p

!!/location

SmokeDetector

@ThomasWard teward/Lunar Eclipse

Thomas Ward

@quartata actually... we might.

quartata

hm?

Thomas Ward

4:22 PM

I have Smokey running withing gdb on Lunar Eclipse after the random crash-without-an-error I saw yesterday

so it may have a trace of what it got

quartata

it would have made an http request to fetch the user's name

if that helps

Thomas Ward

probably would. I'im not SSH'd in now, I'll check the trace later (it's logging to a file)

quartata

fwiw I am aware of a bug with instances failing over, haven't fixed it yet

Thomas Ward

4:35 PM

ah so you broke it. Again.

Magisch

@ThomasWard the frustrated sysadmin in you speaks :p

Thomas Ward

@Magisch :P

huh, someone managed to figure out the encryption key for my digital radio talkgroups.

TIME TO ALTER IT.

generates a random string of hexadecimal

SmokeDetector

5:04 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: Is it possible to use test networks other than TEST-NET from Ethereum Wallet or geth by Reynau on stackoverflow.com (@micsthepick)

Andrew T.

in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 39 secs ago, by Crazy Ivan

I thought we don't get SO reports?

micsthepick

@SmokeDetector fp-

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: Looking for a general-use cloud-hosted document management web app by a deleted user on webapps.SE

micsthepick

@SmokeDetector tp-

SmokeDetector

@micsthepick I hit an error while trying to run that command; run !!/errorlogs for details.

micsthepick

5:13 PM

!!/errorlogs

SmokeDetector

File "/home/smokey/SmokeDetector/ChatExchange/chatexchange/browser.py", line 435, in get_transcript_with_message
user_link, = monologue_soup.select('.signature .username a')

ValueError: Invalid IPv6 URL
2017-12-14 13:17:46.260706 UTC
File "/home/smokey/SmokeDetector/excepthook.py", line 54, in run_with_except_hook
run_old(*args, **kw)

File "/usr/lib/python3.5/threading.py", line 862, in run
self._target(*self._args, **self._kwargs)

File "/home/smokey/SmokeDetector/bodyfetcher.py", line 145, in add_to_queue

Jake Symons

@SmokeDetector ?

micsthepick

UnboundLocalError, hmm

SmokeDetector

Conflicting feedback on Looking for a general-use cloud-hosted document management web app.

micsthepick

0

A: Why is my membership length only "Six months"?

A related question is: how is the network leaderboard deciding which per-site profile to link to? When I clicked on your profile there it took me to IPS, where you've been a member for...about six months. (I guess it doesn't go to the network profile because there are no hats there.) I looked ...

not an answer

Jake Symons

5:18 PM

@micsthepick I was just reading that :)

Catija

But a perfectly good question :P

micsthepick

questions should be asked as questions, not posted as an answer to another question

Jake Symons

Should I flag something ??

tripleee

@micsthepick not really topical here, maybe bring it up in the IPS moderation room?

Jake Symons

@tripleee Should I flag the question or the awnser

or leave it?

tripleee

5:22 PM

as far as this room is concerned, leave it

Jake Symons

@tripleee will do

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Repeating words in body: mysqli not been able to find existing records by Jay Ell III on stackoverflow.com (@micsthepick)

micsthepick

@SmokeDetector tp-

Catija

@tripleee Huh? That question is on MSE... what does IPS have to do with it?

tripleee

oh sry, I saw IPS in the question text and just assumed things

SmokeDetector

5:31 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, bad pattern in URL body, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, +1 more: The Diet And Weight-Loss Myth by jahakarlesh on askubuntu.com (@ThomasWard)

tpu- by ByteCommander

tripleee

@SmokeDetector v

Crazy Ivan

@quartata This was just discussed in the Tavern, but I think it belongs here. Since 2016-01-16, no reports on SO posts were posted in the Tavern. This went away with the refactoring on December 7. Please reinstate; the reason for having this filter still applies.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: How to fix this folding glass door? by Aisha on diy.SE

tripleee

@SmokeDetector k

!!/watch nanawall\.com

SmokeDetector

@tripleee Added nanawall\.com to watchlist

tripleee

5:40 PM

@CrazyIvan github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/issues/1380

Jake Symons

@tripleee why is there a slash between the nanawall\.com

tripleee

@JakeSymons the argument is a regular expression; in regex, an unescaped dot matches any character. The backslash turns it into a regular dot which matches no other characters

SmokeDetector

CI on 8b5fa0d succeeded. Message contains 'autopull', pulling...

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev 8b5fa0d (SmokeDetector: Auto watch of nanawall\.com by tripleee --autopull) (running on teward/Lunar Eclipse)

Jake Symons

@tripleee so, without regex its nanawall.com

Got it :)

SmokeDetector

Restart: API quota is 11405.

tripleee

5:43 PM

regular expressions allow us to create fairly complex patterns in a concise manner. For domain names we don't use that too much, but have a look at the bad_keywords.txt for some examples (and of course the Python sources for some really complex regexes)

here's some scary shit

and this is scarier still

Jake Symons

@tripleee 1275 lines. Wow

tripleee

a lot of that is fairly mundane enumerations of simple rules etc

but probably 100-200 of those lines are complex regular expressions

micsthepick

> ^(?s).{0,200}brain\W?power

rene

Once you have found your favorite hammer you'll be starting to hit your thumb ...

tripleee

25 years and my thumb still sort of works

Jake Symons

5:47 PM

@tripleee Why is "Wetting" on there??

tripleee

extremely good question, but I don't think I can answer that here and now

github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/blob/master/…

clicking "blame" near the top of the page allows you to see who edited that line and when

so you can go back in history and see when that particular fragment was added

but that only shows @ThomasWard refactoring it for Python 3 so you have to go to some version prior to that in time to really find out

Andrew T.

@Makyen I've updated the comment without mentioning the disassociation

rene

@JakeSymons it has results in MS so that is probably why.

Jake Symons

@tripleee love the way they don't put "Who edited this line" but "BLAME"

tripleee

@JakeSymons yeah, that's a good old version control joke, I think it was introduced in some early web interface to Subversion

micsthepick

5:53 PM

@micsthepick why is the matching of newlines necessary?

Makyen

@AndrewT. Great. Thanks. It's something we've all had to do so as the request has disseminated.

tripleee

@micsthepick what matching of newlines? if you mean the anchor, it mainly tries to avoid scanning really long messages by limiting the match to the first 200-something characters of the post

micsthepick

but the (?s) makes . match newline chars

tripleee

because it wants to scan the first 200 characters of the post, across any newlines

micsthepick

oh, duh

just a different way of saying ^[.\n]{0,200}

tripleee

5:56 PM

but most of those regexes are from way before my time, I don't think the people who wrote that are around much anymore

you see that pattern a lot in there, though

Jake Symons

@tripleee yeah there are a lot on there

tripleee

many of those hard-coded rules would now just end up in the blacklisted keywords, for better or for worse

quartata

@CrazyIvan Sorry, I didn't know the Tavern did that

tripleee

@quartata can you assign the issue to yourself, do you have time to look into that?

quartata

Pushing fix right now

Roles are extremely powerful

tripleee

6:05 PM

github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/issues/1380 <- you saw this?

quartata

yes

tripleee

excellent

quartata

done

waiting on CI

ArtOfCode

@Andy API key, or integration token?

SmokeDetector

CI on b814903 succeeded.

Merged SmokeDetector #1378.

quartata

6:07 PM

Yay, that works again

Thanks @Undo

@tripleee fixed pullapprove

should merge automatically again now

tripleee

great!

SmokeDetector

CI on 3e56889 succeeded. Message contains 'autopull', pulling...

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev 3e56889 (metasmoke: Merge pull request #1378 from Charcoal-SE/auto-blacklist-1513254307.2913508 --autopull) (running on teward/Lunar Eclipse)

Restart: API quota is 11133.

quartata

@CrazyIvan Let me know if this works (it should)

!!/alive?

SmokeDetector

@quartata plz send teh coffee

quartata

yes yes

so anyways if we want to disable sites for any other rooms, just add site-no-<site name> to their roles

I turned on site-no-stackoverflow.com for the Tavern

they've got quite a lot of stuff

I think we can get rid of the all caps ones

Andy

6:14 PM

@ArtOfCode Eh. I just used the API key I have for SmokeAPI for my testing.

Also, net neutrality is repealed. Vote completed a minute ago. 3-2

7

ArtOfCode

@Andy fair - you can create new keys at metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/admin/new_key

quartata

:/

ArtOfCode

@Andy well that'll be fun

bet Twitter's fun right about now

quartata

@ArtOfCode as you casually sip your tea and eat your crumpets from your ivory tower of not-US

I envy you

Andy

I don't twitter. I'll wait for someone to round up the frustrations of the the country and I'll browse then

thesecretmaster

6:16 PM

@Andy Grrrrr

quartata

@Andy bridge does a pretty good job of that

ArtOfCode

@quartata it'll probably find some way to affect me, but at least I'm not gonna get hit with price increases. Probably.

quartata

os.pipe is being incredibly uncooperative

DJMcMayhem

@Andy Really? :(

Andy

Yup. There was a brief interruption during the hearing with a bomb threat, but once the all clear was sounded the vote took place.

Magisch

6:22 PM

@Andy Expected along party lines. Also public opinion is slowly swaying against NN with the "The pro comments were fake" rhetoric

My guess is ISPs will take it slow and slowly acclimatize people to higher prices while subtly restricting competing opinions and products now

Andy

You mean where they raise my price every year for providing the exact same service?

SmokeDetector

API quota rolled over with 10963 requests remaining. Current quota: 19999.

math: 45
stackoverflow: 29
interpersonal: 8
physics: 7
superuser: 6
dba: 3
academia: 3
drupal: 3
english: 3
engineering: 3
travel: 2
askubuntu: 2
sharepoint: 2
puzzling: 2
chemistry: 2
gaming: 2
ell: 2
graphicdesign: 2
gis: 2
serverfault: 2
tex: 2
bitcoin: 2
codegolf: 1
parenting: 1
es.stackoverflow: 1
worldbuilding: 1
german: 1
workplace: 1
stats: 1
cooking: 1
money: 1
hermeneutics: 1
space: 1
ru.stackoverflow: 1
cstheory: 1
apple: 1
electronics: 1
scifi: 1
diy: 1
christianity: 1
boardgames: 1

Magisch

@Andy Suddenly sites hosting opinions contrary to the agenda they're pushing this seconds may sometimes fail to load or load slower

You know most people close the tab if the site takes longer to load

Easy to sway elections and public opinion without having to actually admit to it

quartata

or they can just throttle netflix until it pukes up every cent it has and retire to the caribbean

that was the desired MO last time

Andy

My predictions: The video services will be the first targeted - YouTube, Netflix, etc - and the cost will be minimal to "improve performance". People will moan, but realize $5 isn't much. Some will complain that they are paying twice for the same thing, but since almost everywhere is a monopoly on service, no one can switch.

Next someone will target social media sites - Facebook, Twitter, reddit, etc - where complaints about step one are growing. This will be higher than the video prices due to "the difficulty of managing content" or other bullshit.

Magisch

6:29 PM

I swear to god by how the freemium stuff in games has come I fully expect to pay microtransactions to watch individual videos in a couple years

Andy

After that bundles will start popping up. They will be like cable bundles though where you get 20 things you don't want for the 1 thing you do. The things you do want will be spread across 3-4 packages.

ArtOfCode

@Magisch YT already has this

Magisch

I'm getting insanely pissed off with the monetarization injected into every single thing these days

Andy

No one will want the "porn" bundle on their bill. Someone will claim they are making the country pure again with the down swing in porn

Magisch

When did it stop being enough that I pay once, do you have to try and rope me into your 384289423492838 paid services on top?

quartata

6:30 PM

@Magisch t h e i n t e n t i s t o p r o v i d e c u s t o m e r s w i t h a s e n s e o f p r i d e a n d a c c o m p l i s h m e n t f o r u n l o c k i n g d i f f e r e n t w e b s i t e s

obligatory

Magisch

I get just cold rage every time i see some tech giant and their insane monetization practices

quartata

!!/remote-diff

SmokeDetector

[?1h=

[K[?1l>

SmokeDetector will require a full restart to pull changes: True

quartata

hm

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body: bootstrap navbar-collapse is chnaging direction of navigation items by Talg3017 on stackoverflow.com (@micsthepick)

quartata

6:31 PM

!!/threads

SmokeDetector

140491866433280: MainThread
140491777746688: tasks
140491534366464: message_sender
140491500795648: Thread-4
140490989102848: deletion watcher
140491517581056: Thread-2
140491754178304: message_sender
140491525973760: Thread-1
140490997495552: metasmoke websocket
140491745261312: message_sender
140491492402944: pickle ---rick--- runner
140491484010240: message sender
140491509188352: Thread-3

quartata

nice

no delayed post

micsthepick

@SmokeDetector why

quartata

it works

SmokeDetector

@micsthepick Body - Position 4416-4426: Anti-Aging

micsthepick

6:33 PM

@SmokeDetector fp-

!!/location

SmokeDetector

@micsthepick teward/Lunar Eclipse

DJMcMayhem

@Andy Honestly, what's most frustrating is not that it was repealed, but that it was repealed even though it's Monumentally unpopular. It's created tons and tons of outrage and pretty much universal support for not repealing it, but eh, who cares

Andy

I think everyone knew it was coming when Pai was appointed chairman of the FCC. I don't think that popularity mattered at all.

SmokeDetector

6:56 PM

[ charcoal-se.github.io ] continuous-integration/travis-ci/push success on 244ee83: The Travis CI build passed

Jake Symons

7:08 PM

Duplicates are marked so fast, I didn't get a chance to flag this

Catija

Not sure my chat message in here is appropriate... do y'all have any issues with me removing a couple of stars related to that IPS thing earlier?

ArtOfCode

@Catija go ahead - I'd already have done it if I'd seen the sidebar earlier :)

Catija

@ArtOfCode Done. Thanks :D

quartata

OK, who here knows how bodyfetcher works the best?

I need to talk to them

Thomas Ward

7:23 PM

probably whomever wrote it a lot. why?

quartata

There's a lot of locks here

And if I change bodyfetcher post enqueueing to a task

they're probably not needed anymore

but I don't know for sure

in Beep Boop Maggot, 2 mins ago, by Smokey-NG

140736182481856: MainThread
123145526878208: poller
123145532133376: tasks
123145537925120: pickle ---rick--- runner
123145543180288: message sender

so close to achieving total world domination

I mean cutting down on threads

SmokeDetector

7:38 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Phone number detected in title: How can I convert an ipv4 subnet mask from /24 to 255.255.255.0 (for example)? by qsn662 on stackoverflow.com (@micsthepick)

Jake Symons

@SmokeDetector not a phone number

micsthepick

@SmokeDetector f

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in answer, email in answer: Are there any disadvantages to DHA Investment Properties? by user65770 on money.SE

tpu- by DJMcMayhem

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected: No Homegroup Computers, Network Troubleshooter Fails by th3h4xd3v on superuser.com

tpu- by DJMcMayhem

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Username similar to website in answer: How do I get chrome.tabs.insertCSS to work? by Datapod on stackoverflow.com (@micsthepick)

fp- by DJMcMayhem

micsthepick

@SmokeDetector fp-

Thomas Ward

@SmokeDetector k

@SmokeDetector fp-

quartata

7:57 PM

OK I swear

This is probably at least the 12th time I've wrote _do_action_without_throttling instead of _do_action_despite_throttling

I will never get used to that

manish pls

SmokeDetector

CI on 7f1c752 succeeded.

quartata

!!/pull

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev 7f1c752 (quartata: Rejoin rooms properly when coming out of standby) (running on teward/Lunar Eclipse)

Restart: API quota is 9897.

quartata

@Undo this should fix that BrokenPipe weirdness

and there's a good chance this will fix your mystery crash @ThomasWard

Thomas Ward

cool.

quartata

8:14 PM

@ArtOfCode @Undo @JeremyBanks github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/pull/1381

quartata

8:24 PM

it's confirmed

code climate is made by monkeys

codeclimate.com/github/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/builds/450

zzzzzzzzzzzz

oh but now it says it only took 5 seconds

even though it actually took 7 minutes

Jake Symons

@quartata maybe it went through a wormhole?

quartata

seems plausible

> cognitive complexity of 12

oh yes so complicated

two loops oh nooo

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer, potentially bad keyword in answer, blacklisted user: How to fix this folding glass door? by Aisha on diy.SE

tpu- by DJMcMayhem

SmokeDetector

9:00 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in body: How to create a slideshow with two images in single slide? by Chris John on stackoverflow.com (@micsthepick)

fp- by DJMcMayhem

micsthepick

why is it that f looks like a t

quartata

that's a jsfiddle at the end

DavidPostill

@micsthepick Well where do you think the spam is in that post?

quartata

not spam

micsthepick

I thought that it was miscategorised as a tp for a second, that’s all

SmokeDetector

9:11 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in link text in body: Does support HP Pavilion 17-f152nr M2 or MSATA? by Alexander I. on superuser.com

fp- by ArtOfCode

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Username similar to website in answer: Carousel with input and contact field? by Homepage-Design24 on stackoverflow.com (@micsthepick)

naa- by Glorfindel

SmokeDetector

9:59 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Messaging number in answer: Pass List through Python's Subprocess.Popen by INEM POKER on stackoverflow.com (@micsthepick)

DJMcMayhem

@SmokeDetector k

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer, blacklisted user: How do I change Procedural Programming into OOP..? (JAVA) by INEM POKER on stackoverflow.com (@micsthepick)

tpu- by DJMcMayhem

DJMcMayhem

!!/watch tglhok88

SmokeDetector

@DJMcMayhem You don't have code privileges, but I've created PR#1382 for you.

Crazy Ivan

10:15 PM

!!/report woodworking.stackexchange.com/a/6755

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: What is the recommended height of the blade on a table saw while operating? by user4581 on woodworking.SE

tpu- by DJMcMayhem

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected: Allow 2 decimal places in <input type="number"> by xemasiv on stackoverflow.com (@micsthepick)