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10:04
Nice answer, @Mithrandir I didn't realise it was yours until I'd finished reading it :p
@CalvT BTW the script's still going (assuming it's a script), and it's breaking spoilers
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: The first and valuable tip a person by silles surmon on superuser.com
tpu- by J F
@boboquack Nope isn't a script, and I stopped as soon as I got the message from Mith
If it's breaking spoilers, then it's a SE bug
Hmm... new suggested edits are still coming up
@Henders thanks :P
10:07
!!/blacklist-keyword tru\W?allure
@tripleee Blacklisted tru\W?allure
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, bad pattern in URL body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: Staminon: will face the deficiency by Flenitbyenit on gaming.SE
tpu- by J F
@Mithrandir I need to get on with answer some HP questions. Put my specialist knowledge to use :P
@CalvT I think you can't use ![]() format for images in spoilers. I think only [![][]][] works
10:08
@boboquack Last suggested edit at 2017-05-09 09:50:34Z
Maybe the SE queue is slow. Sorry.
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!!/blacklist-keyword staminon
@tripleee Blacklisted staminon
54/54 TP, some below autoflagging threshold metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/…
10:10
@boboquack np I can understand the frustration, didn't think on that side, sorry
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: Recognizing The Skin mixtures For Skin Care by hgswrdtxwesd on askubuntu.com (@ThomasWard)
tpu- by Henders
CI on 54baca5 failed.
argh
J F
J F
@QPaysTaxes LGTM
@bybe, I'm sorry I cannot find the Stack Exchange's Licensing Consultancy site, and I only ask questions to Stack Exchange users or to god... and god never responds. — MikO Dec 11 '14 at 16:49
lol
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted username, blacklisted user: Is there a shortage of accounting professors? by SenPerfect on academia.SE
tpu- by tripleee
@SmokeDetector Why are we nuking those?
10:18
@CalvT That's not a report.
@CalvT the user has a history of spamming, last was less than 30 minute ago
fp- by J F
@tripleee Yeah but that one is not spam
@CalvT I'm being proactive but feel free to FP flag
@Mith just fyi Techidiot is wrong - I didn't submit another, they must of seen one in the edit queue and assumed.
10:21
room topic changed to Charcoal HQ: Where diamonds are made, smoke is detected, and we break things by developing on production. 54,000 true positives and counting. [Recursive] oneboxes are awesome. Handy links: charcoal-se.org, github.com/Charcoal-SE, charcoal-se.org/blaze [best-bad-practices] [dev-on-prod] [panic-driven-development] [plastic-knives]
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, blacklisted username, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, repeated URL at end of long post: What Will the Program Include? by samie juriya on drupal.SE
tpu- by J F
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Why two CI notifications?
J F
J F
@angussidney One for PR, one for push?
Ah, that makes sense
@JF Or should I replace the chatroom link in 'we are charcoal' with charcoal-se.org, and make the charcoal-se.org link 'chat'?
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in link text in body: Why Google Customer Service Provide Better assistance? by Jhon Dos on stackoverflow.com
tpu- by J F
10:27
> We are Charcoal (not Stack Exchange). We make nice things.
That sound good? @JF
J F
J F
Looks good to me.
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, blacklisted website in title, +3 more: nitroshredadvice.com/testfactor-testosterone-booster/ by dsad asdasd on graphicdesign.SE
tpu- by J F
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J F
J F
Welcome to Graphic Design Stack Exchange, @dsadasdasd! Your post will be removed shortly. RESISTANCE IS USELESS!
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"Please standby for post removal! :)"
10:32
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected: What does this scene in Only God Forgives signify? by user5499 on movies.SE
fp- by tripleee
should we just remove the offensive heuristic from Movies?
@JF USELESS FUTILE!
I think that's the them they use
@tripleee TP 36, FP 33, NAA 4
Is correct more often than not
@CalvT true
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Username similar to website in answer: What platform would you recommend to develop a SAAS application? by raimme on stackoverflow.com
10:37
No disclosure, have added comment
Also, question should be closed
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: derma breast lift by user358602 on meta.SE
@CalvT This is their second answer which they've done this with. The first being this one
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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching product name in body, pattern-matching website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: Tongkat Ali– This is as often as possible a trademark by Buie ful on superuser.com
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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected: YouTube videos to a queue by Ayush Katoch on stackoverflow.com
tpu- by Cerbrus
10:42
!!/blacklist-keyword tongkat\Wali
@tripleee Blacklisted tongkat\Wali
92/92 TP some recent below autoflagging threshold metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/…
it's the name of a herb but there are no FPs in stackexchage.com currently
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted user: Videos to a queue by Ayush Katoch on stackoverflow.com
@SmokeDetector f
10:44
CI on f29cbe8 failed.
@JF thx, edited
@SmokeDetector what is it now?
@angussidney I committed another duplicate a while back, sorry ...
working on a fix
Ah, that's it
Those blacklist tests are useful
tpu- by CalvT
O.O my "be nice" comment got deleted
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in body: Error using Connect to receive event notification by Jonathan Hobbs on stackoverflow.com
fp- by Mithrandir
PR#727 add duplicate check to gitmanager.py too
10:53
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, pattern-matching website in title: tophealthmart.com/dermalab-cream/ by Rickey Dowd on drupal.SE
tpu- by Henders
@CalvT On raimme's answer?
PR#728 remove duplicate staminon
sorry for the mess
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, link following arrow in body, pattern-matching website in body: Enchanted Garcinia Get up and walk more each day when by CarRit on apple.SE (@CalvT)
727 is failing because of that
@tripleee ninja'd
10:54
tpu- by Henders
@Henders no on Ayush Katoch's question - they posted an answer that said f**k you, answer my question, which obv got deleted
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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body: We begin lessons from very by stinaw nally on drupal.SE
tpu- by Mithrandir
!!/pull
10:59
@angussidney CI build is still pending, wait until the build has finished and then pull again.
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!!/pull
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tpu- by angussidney
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in answer, no whitespace in answer, repeating characters in answer: Compile sass at save in visual studio code by Fanoosh on stackoverflow.com
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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in body, repeating characters in body: How to Mock ObjectMapper readValue method? by Jitesh Golatkar on stackoverflow.com
tp- by Mithrandir
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11:14
@SmokeDetector oh my
My spidey sense is tingling
@SmokeDetector that's not the acutal tutorialspoint website
But a different one
.com vs .in
!!/test Developer at Shree Infotech
> Would not be caught for title, body, and username.
Please make sure to mention if it's your product you're linking to, so that it isn't considered spam. Thanks. — Mithrandir 42 secs ago
There's a scrolling marquee on there :'(
^ @Mithrandir I removed the link
11:15
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, bad pattern in URL body, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, +1 more: 5 Actual Facts About Meladerm Skin Care Cream by sophiabraga on askubuntu.com (@ThomasWard)
tpu- by Henders
@tripleee k
I'm not convinced that's a FP
@SmokeDetector them again?
it looks like the poster copied a barely related text from their website and then linked to it to get extra SEO
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11:16
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, bad pattern in URL body, blacklisted website in body: is on account hl12 supplement lactose by jakgtherko.therko on superuser.com
tpu- by Magisch
This is the second time that you've linked to your website in a signature. Linking to your own website excessively, especially when it is unrelated, is considered spam. Please stop posting signatures with your website in it. — angussidney 13 secs ago
If they do it again we should blacklist the website
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in link text in answer: Can I use a third-party routing service with a Google Map? by Daffi on stackoverflow.com
fp- by CalvT
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, link following arrow in body, pattern-matching website in body: Is Lash Rejuv Best For Skin? by carlaalvan on superuser.com
tpu- by CalvT
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, +1 more: Safety of Skin Novela by Ashley Nicholas on superuser.com
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: Embova RX: The Best Apple? by baliyemaan on apple.SE (@CalvT)
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tpu- by Glorfindel
tpu- by tripleee
11:31
!!/blacklist-website garanntor\.co\.za
@tripleee Blacklisted garanntor\.co\.za
!!/blacklist-website garanntor\.co\.ke
@Mithrandir You don't have code privileges, but I've created a pull request for you.
Can we make one entry with a TLD pattern, please?
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11:33
...too late? ^
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I'll put in a PR to refactor
@tripleee add .com and .ng
@tripleee no, I've got it
@angussidney ack
11:34
I just edited the original PR
@SmokeDetector f
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: Be the First 1 (leave only the first Truthy) by heba heba on codegolf.SE (@quartata @Mego @HyperNeutrino)
tpu- by Mego
Anonymous
Oh boy PPCG spam
@Mithrandir it's plagiarized from here.
@SmokeDetector why the TPUs?
11:37
@angussidney Shush. Listen to @Glorfindel.
@Glorfindel then that's not spam, it's plagiarism, and should be mod flagged
Yes, that makes sense, however this particular user has a spamming history.
Anonymous
Flag based on the post, not the user
alright then
11:42
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tpu- by CalvT
!!/blacklist-keyword x\Wcbd
@tripleee Blacklisted x\Wcbd
2/2 TP, one below autoflagging threshold metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/…
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12:10
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in body: dfgdfg dfg dg df gdfg dfg dfgdfgdfgdfgdfgdfgdfgdfg by user75519 on drupal.SE
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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Mostly non-Latin answer, repeating characters in answer: Share text + links using intent by medo f sedek on stackoverflow.com
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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: Right when Does One See the Result? by Mare tch on superuser.com
tpu- by Glorfindel
> Peace be upon you, the war of the Tatars, the kings of the Tartar war
!!/blacklist-website travianr\.com
@tripleee Blacklisted travianr\.com
3/3 TP all below threshold; no legit hits metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/…
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12:17
looks vaguely like a game which probably awards some sort of bounty for recruiting new members
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected: Calculate the value of ζ(s) by dasdf on codegolf.SE (@quartata @Mego @HyperNeutrino)
tpu- by Glorfindel
naa- by angussidney
12:39
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, pattern-matching website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: Indeed, I should logically stop after Testo Ultra by viyaranall on graphicdesign.SE
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13:15
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, link at end of body, link following arrow in body, pattern-matching website in body: Nuavive Eye Cream is a restrictive plan of normal and astounding hostile to maturing fixings. by keviwongs on superuser.com
tpu- by Henders
fp- by Henders
hey @ThomasWard Am I imagining this or did your avatar get posessed by the devil?
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: Where does mass deficit energy go? by dumpuna on physics.SE
tpu- by Glorfindel
May 5 at 14:44, by Thomas Ward
I am the Conduit between This World and the Chaos World, I leech out Chaos and bring Darkness to the world through that Chaos.
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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: Parts of Alpha Plus Male Enhancement by Dism19 on drupal.SE
tpu- by Henders
Hey Pops
Nice meeting you here
13:39
@Magisch There is a difference between forcing a license on "derivative works" and licensing the data that the project generates. The discussion is getting those confused/intermingled. There is also an argument about what "derivative works" means. Do graphs that we generate really constitute "derivative"? Or is does it mean combining MS data with other data sources?
@Andy My original intent was to have it catch everything on and available through our official channels that has no license yet
So one of your graphs would be covered by this if it was posted say on charcoal-se.org
Essentially so anyone willing to reuse our work can look at something we posted publicly and say "Cool, we can reuse that"
pending approval of everyone affected, of course
I think "derivative" is not the right word then. I also don't think an officially released graph on charcoal-se would need the data license. It would fall under whatever license the site is under
which is none
The site is one point of contention
there isn't a license for it
currently nobody can reuse anything on it unless it's covered by another license somewhere else
@ArtOfCode If the concern is that someone can't use what's the on the site, then why not license the site?
13:43
I'm not proposing that everyone here has to make everything they do with our data public.
@Andy I don't think that is the concern
My concern, at least, is that the data we have isn't licensed
my concern is both
I think it is, @ArtOfCode. Or at least it's mingled in with the data discussion.
I'm thinking about this in that we should make an effort to make our public ressources as reusable and user friendly as possible
I think we want people building off our work
I'm not very good with licensing so maybe I don't have the terminology down
@ArtOfCode I agree with that. The data itself needs to be licensed somehow. However, the discussions that are occurring keep bringing up derivative works (and my stuff is mentioned in that). 1.) Is my work truly derivative if it's only using MS data? Why isn't it considered part of the entire project if it's only using data we generate?
2.) Undo mentioned combining MS with SE data for the mods...that is derivative. What we pick for a license matters, because he may not be able to release it and still abide by the terms SE has placed on him as a mod.
13:49
I'll just leave this discussion to you guys, you seem to have a better understanding of the finery of licensing
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Username similar to website in answer: List of all top level domains by Ma Words on stackoverflow.com
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Username similar to website in answer: List of all top level domains by axew3 on stackoverflow.com
@Magisch I don't disagree with that. However, we have a messy ball of licenses already.
@SmokeDetector f
13:50
@Andy Sometimes I wish we could just say "Anything - as is - don't care about attribution - knock yourself out"
That's what I do for my SE code contributions
the question is a resource recommendation, and the answer says 'our website'.
Creative commons
@Glorfindel mah, you're right
fp- by DavidPostill
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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in answer, repeating words in answer: Can i get console input without echo in python? by spam on stackoverflow.com
tpu- by Glorfindel
14:07
Nice of them to make it easy with that username
Indeed
Except that it's trolling, not spam.
@ArtOfCode Since we're on the topic of licenses, and you seem to be better at it then I am
Low quality troll. -1 Would not compliment again.
I wrote some software (a plugin) for a MC server years ago. Didn't give it any license. As of a few months ago, someone else (another former admin) is making stink claiming the server violated licensing, and is using some of my work as fodder for claiming that
Is there any way I can retroactively absolve the server owner from any infringement they comitted because I didn't think of licensing my work to them
14:11
In most countries, the default license is "All rights reserved", however, I'm not a lawyer
Right
Someone else is trying to get them in trouble over stuff I wrote
basicly saying the server owner infringed on my copyright of my work
@Magisch did you tell the server owners they could use your plugin?
but I obviously don't want to go after them and I think it's ridiculous. I'm thinking there must be a way I can make this go away since I'm the copyright holder
I was one of the server owners
I wrote the plugin specifically for that server
DO you have proof that you wrote the plugin? Like github, documentation, installation instructions, that allows you to proof you wrote it?
I guess never explicitly or in writing
Yes
Nobody disputes that it's mine
14:13
Doesn't need to be in writing, verbal contracts are just as valid
The other guy is just trying to make a stink on my behalf to get back at the server owner
if you're willing to state that you made a verbal contract with the server owners to let them use the plugin, job done
@Magisch If he's not the rights holder he has no standing.
also, in most countries the copyright holder is the only person who can bring a case
Is that lawyer proof
because my friend (the server owner) is freaking out over it
14:14
yes
So a written declaration that he's had permission from me (the sole copyright holder) all along will be enough to make him not have to get a lawyer
Server owner: "Magisch said he was fine with us using it"
Lawyer: "Oh no he didn't"
Magisch: "Oh yes he did"
Or, he can be a jerk and challenge the guy to get a lawyer. The courts will toss it for lack of standing.
literally all it needs is a statement, written or otherwise, that you do not have any issue with the server using it - and that's only if this other guy has a case at all
it's a non-starter
14:16
But, I'm slightly vindictive...
I have less then zero knowledge of law which is why I'm asking
other guy is trying to get back at the server owner desperately and the server owner contacted me because the other guy threatened legal action over my software
So I can tell him he can tell the other guy to pound sand
other guy has no right to bring legal action over a copyright he doesn't own
See...now I want to be vindictive on your friend's behalf.
I never actually explicitly told anyone at the time that they could use it
because it was implied
14:18
I wrote the software for a server I was admin on, the software had no other purpose then to run there
Seems like you gave permission then
tpu- by Glorfindel
Also...the other guy isn't the rights holder, so he can't do anything anyway
If you want to avoid this in the future, send your friend the server owner an email that says "I, (full name), grant the present and future owners of (server name) a perpetual, irrevocable, royalty-free, worldwide license to use, run, modify, and distribute (software name)". Preferably sign said email with your private key to prove it's from you.
alright, thats good
That's a good idea
I still maintain the software from time to time
14:21
puts away pitchfork and takes off devil horns I see you've picked the path of the light.
@Andy What would you have done?
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Chrome browser problem in xubuntu 14.04 by Midhun.V.Nadh on askubuntu.com (@ThomasWard)
Ahh the internet... Do a nice thing and then someone is trying to sue someone on your behalf against your will...
I don't want my friend to have to get a lawyer I'm not sure he can afford one
14:22
@Magisch As a server owner that's gotten that complaint? Told them to pound sand. Until I get a letter from a lawyer, some kid threatening me on the internet isn't going to worry me a bit
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I was threatened over a plugin I wrote on a server I owned. That one was my favorite
tpu- by CalvT
The ones that shout about legal action are rarely the ones to worry about...
I've also been in the exact situation your friend is in too. A plugin written by a former admin was being used. Admin left on good terms. We kept using it. Someone got mad that we didn't share it and started a big stink that we weren't complying with other guy's copyright. They left after we explained they weren't the copyright holder so couldn't do anything about it.
14:24
plugin wouldn't even work on another server without modifications
It's designed to integrate with another plugin the server owner wrote
Now that we've, hopefully, reduced any worry you have...what's the plugin do?
It's a chat filter and keyword based blacklist
and can make announcements and execute commands on a timer
@Magisch Cool. I did something similar for my TF2 servers when the community wanted a family friendly server.
I've always fancied getting into writing something for MC. I haven't played for a long time but even when I did, it intrigued me.
I think that's fp
fp- by DavidPostill
I wrote a couple Bukkit plugins and a tiny mod a while ago... they're a lot of effort for what you get.
Unlimited cosmic power?
Which...another plugin I wrote would announce when an admin activated "troll the hacker" mode.
Server regulars loved it.
Hackers/trolls hated it and left pretty quickly

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