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00:05
Why does NAA conflict with TPU?
@JanDvorak Because NAA does not come with a 100 rep spam penalty?
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in answer, email in answer: How does an ordinary person announce major discoveries? by JONATHAN SPERRY on worldbuilding.SE
tpu- by J F
 
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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: It helps keep people up to date on by getporl smith on askubuntu.com
sd k f
 
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05:27
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: Vlamorous renewal recipe: Vlamorous renewal Pros: by Satte1958 on superuser.com
05:38
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title, +1 more: www.hairlosspropecia.org/vlamorous/ by dgasdyhf24 on graphicdesign.SE
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected: Does Greek mythology list a calendar date for creation? by john on mythology.SE
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body: Can one not know if they are lying to themselves? by Tocan Heat on philosophy.SE
05:55
@SmokeDetector why
@angussidney Body - Position 466-477: weight loss
fp- by angussidney
06:32
tpu- by angussidney
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in body: Are you interested in SDE-III jobs in Seattle? by Malay on stackoverflow.com
tpu- by angussidney
I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because it's a solicitation. — R Sahu 1 min ago
sigh
and now he replied "done that too" to my comment. I don't understand why he wastes his cvs then >_<
07:21
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, repeated URL at end of long post: Shockingly, the site taught to utilize by Roce1962 on superuser.com
tpu- by angussidney
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: the upside of remedial surgery by dgasdyhffy24 on graphicdesign.SE
@SmokeDetector k
07:39
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body: So what is it Renuglow your Renuglow needs… by Lesead on drupal.SE
tpu- by angussidney
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: I recently said that simply hold by breakfastrecipes6655 on superuser.com
tpu- by angussidney
08:07
o/ @YvetteColomb
BTW, sorry about your two feedbacks which I had to invalidate yesterday, I made a mod flag on that post when it was first reported by smokey and when they responded to my flag they deemed it spam. If there was a way I could invalidate feedbacks without them counting against your invalidated percentage @YvetteColomb I would, but I can't, so... sorry
@angussidney I thought about that and they were answering questions that lent themselves to spammy answers. There was another user answering both question (a higher rep user) with links to a tool. that's why I didn't tpu them. nm. I get frustrated with myself that my invalidated feedback % is so high. It's much higher than most others. Hm
Yeah, that post was very borderline, however without the knowledge of the result of the mod flag, there wasn't any way you could have 100% sure that it was spam.
And don't worry about your invalidated percentage too much, as long as you're staying below the 4%+4 limit and your feedbacks aren't blatantly innacurate, you're fine
most of my mistakes come from multi tasking nm
thanks for the feedback
Wasn't today a beautiful day? A nice break from the rain
08:18
Yeah, the past week or so has been dreadful. Good to see some sun
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: control make pull in build up the oxygenation of rexadrene by tonikedupo24 on graphicdesign.SE
@SmokeDetector k
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, repeated URL at end of long post: offering a free trial chance to get attractive by Recke1959 on superuser.com
tpu- by angussidney
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Username similar to website in answer: Display RDLC reports in MVC 4 using report viewer by Dotnet Awesome on stackoverflow.com
08:51
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Username similar to website in answer: Looking for a modern-rock song by djbaap on musicfans.SE
tpu- by rene
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: Google maps POI download by user6016034 on gis.SE
fp- by DavidPostill
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in link text in answer: Hair loss due to excessive exercise by hellengeek on health.SE
tpu- by Yvette
09:30
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: Global POI database in JSON format? by user6016034 on gis.SE
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in answer, offensive answer detected: Robots with blood by Ben Dover on worldbuilding.SE
tpu- by Yvette
You've posted an answer referencing your product without any other content twice now. Please avoid excessively promoting your product, otherwise you will be considered to be a spammer. Please read How not to be a spammerangussidney 4 mins ago
09:46
well I thought it was spam, but I'm reluctant to flag
+1 it's getting spammish. 2 posts so far.
I have too much invalidated feedback, I'm sitting on the fence
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in body: Best bike review? by Andrew Dupre on bicycles.SE
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in answer: Best Bike Rack for Honda Pilot? by Andrew Dupre on bicycles.SE
tpu- by Glorfindel
tpu- by Glorfindel on Best bike review? [MS]
@YvetteColomb if another post comes in, I'll go with k
@angussidney you're more lenient than me
09:58
Wait, the user has posted 2 other answers for that website
@SmokeDetector k
@SmokeDetector k
Conflicting feedback on Google maps POI download.
Conflicting feedback on Google maps POI download.
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: POI Datasets for North America by user6016034 on gis.SE
tpu- by Glorfindel
tpu- by Glorfindel
Conflicting feedback on Google maps POI download.
10:00
@Cerbrus FIRE just died for me with nothing in the console. AIM died as well.
@YvetteColomb That's now 4 tp for this user out of 4 posts ...
and now the whole chat says "failed to load data: timeout" in the notification bar after I reload, and AIM's still dead.
@YvetteColomb you were right this time :)
cool, flagged them all. I would've jumped on him from a great height at the beginning. I'm more cynical. It comes with age.
10:06
@SmokeDetector tp-
(it seems the user deleted the post himself already)
@Glorfindel User is not blacklisted (117272 on dba.stackexchange.com).
Hopefully blacklisting isn't broken anymore now that teward has fixed his git config
!!/blacklist-website placesdatabases\.com
@angussidney HEAD isn't at tip of origin's master branch
!!/gitstatus
On branch master
Your branch is ahead of 'origin/master' by 2 commits.
(use "git push" to publish your local commits)
nothing to commit, working directory clean
10:07
!!/location
@angussidney ArtOfCode/EC2
@ArtOfCode your instance of smokey has gotten ahead of deploy again and is on master. Could you maybe do a full re-clone please? Sorry to bother you for about the third day in a row about this
!!/errorlogs 50
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/sh.py", line 812, in handle_command_exit_code
    raise exc


WARNING: Cannot update TLD names, due to `tld` being system-wide installed and not user-level installed.  Skipping TLD names update.
WARNING: Cannot update TLD names, due to `tld` being system-wide installed and not user-level installed.  Skipping TLD names update.
WARNING: Cannot update TLD names, due to `tld` being system-wide installed and not user-level installed.  Skipping TLD names update.
The posts by this user still need spam flags: gis.stackexchange.com/users/91212/user6016034
!!?alive
!!/alive
10:14
@angussidney Of course
10:27
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, pattern-matching website in body: order the product beautiful Dermabellix by delik omitr on stackoverflow.com
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, repeated URL at end of long post: it is the attitude of individuals Wrinkle couture by Vold1980 on superuser.com
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: hydration or in a general all the more clear term by nahokud24 on graphicdesign.SE
10:44
It seems the websocket is broken ... no more tpu- by.
!!/reboot
Goodbye, cruel world
Restart: API quota is 6047.
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in answer: How recent should the English language certificate be to apply for Master thesis? by Lopez Gomez on academia.SE (@Wrzlprmft)
tpu- by Glorfindel
tpu- by Glorfindel
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in body, blacklisted user: GET IELTS,TOEFL, ESOL, CELTA/DELTA & other English Language Certificates by Lopez Gomez on academia.SE (@Wrzlprmft)
tpu- by Glorfindel
11:23
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body: for you wrinkle couture by burtkey on drupal.SE
tpu- by Jan Dvorak
J F
J F
@Cerbrus [feature-request] alias k, v, n, and f to the appropriate buttons in 🔥
@JF do you mean keyboard shortcuts?
J F
J F
@angussidney Yes. So if I hit k, it’ll do the same thing as hitting 1.
 
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12:38
@ArtOfCode/@Undo I’d like to have one of our GitHub bots take credit for building the site. Could I have (j_f on keybase) the email of whichever one you think is best?
I’ll encrypt the email in the config file.
WTH is this?
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A: How to print fibonacci series in assembly?

usamamov bl,0 mov bh,1 mov cx,6 lop: mov dl,bh add bh,bl mov bl,dl add dl,48 mov ah,2 int 21h loop lop;

Nothing like the onebox says, and nothing that Google recognizes as a language either
Spammer edited within grace period?
Answer currently says "fabnocci kima lo gika re cinda."
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A: How to print fibonacci series in assembly?

usamafabnocci kima lo gika re cinda.

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: How to print fibonacci series in assembly? by usama on stackoverflow.com
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, bad keyword with email in answer: What is the equivalent way to set post parameters in .net? by Benson Toodle on stackoverflow.com
13:07
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title, +1 more: www.nutritionfit.org/nitro-build-plus/ by tulagicihe24 on graphicdesign.SE
tpu- by Jan Dvorak
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: for somewhat more than 18 years individuals by Therited69 on superuser.com
tpu- by DavidPostill
14:09
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in answer: Replace Woocommerce Attribute name with an icon or an image by Shahab Arvin on stackoverflow.com
fp- by Yvette
Unless you need one associated with my GitHub account, then ping
J F
J F
15:07
@Undo I meant one associated with the SmokeDetector or metasmoke users on GitHub.
J F
J F
k
Oh wait shit
ehhhhhh
I mean
borderline
The question is super weird too so that doesn't help
But if I had read the question more carefully I would have probably just naa-'d
 
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^^^ Never mind. Fixed up.
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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, bad keyword with email in answer: Animate change of view background color on Android by jessica on stackoverflow.com
tpu- by Glorfindel
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported question: This testx core pill is free by Agetithas1927 on superuser.com
tpu- by Jan Dvorak
[FDSC bug?] Manually flagging is not reporting correctly back here.
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected: WPF Simple TextBox Binding - Dependency Property Never Touched by srf on stackoverflow.com
tpu- by Glorfindel
17:11
Gotta love cheap first class rail tickets.
> Pattern-matching website in body
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Body - Position 8-25: besthealthdiet.co
Body - Position 18-26: diet.com
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: A term for someone who distributes flyers by John on english.SE
tpu- by quartata
Idea for a new reason: answer is very similar to existing answer
We see those "copy paste answer with spam" quite a bit
@SmokeDetector needs flags
17:33
@SmokeDetector My flag on this was declined
@Undo
We need to seriously make that meta post about rude and abusive
@quartata huh? I flagged as rude/abusive as well and mine was marked helpful.
@Glorfindel I flagged as spam
Because I did it from FIRE
And it wasn't even disputed just flat out declined
My last venture to Meta was a success, but this may be different. Not everybody knows Pops' ruling.
Feb 28 at 21:31, by Pops
It's... hard... to argue in favor of writing an algorithm and making a bot spend time calculating which of the two flag types to use when they are, in actuality, the exact same flag. It's not even Coke vs. Pepsi, it's Pepsi vs. a second bottle of Pepsi that's using a different but still valid Pepsi logo.
This seems to be happening only on SO for me which is weird.
I haven't seen a spam flag declined like that anywhere else
Also, see this chat message and what follows (on the next page). Undo mentions there's still no official ruling.
17:39
Ugh.
Why can't we just have one red flag called "nuke pls"
The end result is the same; everything else is just semantics
18:33
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in answer: Can Porn lead to Erectile Dysfunction? by junipers on skeptics.SE
fp- by Glorfindel
18:47
@quartata Yep. I'll plan to make one when I get to a real computer
Cool
Can you change my flag to just disrupted? I don't think you can accept it once it's been declined but I don't remember
A disrupted flag. Now that would be cool :P
Blame autocorrect although I'm not sure how that happened actually
*disputed
close enough
I guess my autocorrect is playing Pathfinder
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19:39
@quartata @Glorfindel @ArtOfCode Writing a thing. What are the main combinations of post type and spam/RA flags we see being handled 'wrong'?
(or cast wrong)
Console output
Deleted
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in body: Need to check if there is string in front of the @ symbol by A Zym on stackoverflow.com
sd f
@Undo Can't say I've seen any, but I'd assume gibberish
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, bad keyword with email in answer, email in answer: Can you get a yeast infection in your mouth from oral sex? by Ella Dawson on health.SE
tpu- by ArtOfCode
@Undo I've only seen two cases 'handled wrong'. It's hard to determine a main combination on an N=2 sample.
I'm personally mainly concerned about 'wrong' autoflags. For the moment, we can teach people not to flag abusive posts via FIRE.
No, that's a bandaid.
or have an extra button installed.
Yeah, FIRE really should allow r/a flags
20:00
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Username similar to website in answer: Debugging cordova application on device and localhost webpack by johnwargo on stackoverflow.com
@Undo My case was an offensive post + spam flag
But gibberish + rude/abusive/spam is the most common
Really the two main points are 1. gibberish is rude/abusive 2. spam and rude/abusive are really interchangable
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Q: Let's get aligned on how spam flags can be used

UndoRecently, I've noticed some contention - and simple miscommunication - over when 'red' flags ('spam' and 'rude or abusive') should be cast on Stack Overflow, and how moderators should handle them. Here's what we're talking about: This really shouldn't be a surprise. Flags in general, and espec...

Regarding the apostrophe... Pops's?
Art beat me to it
@Undo You used hyphens when you should've used an en- or emdash. I'm not going to forgive you for that.
20:14
@M.A.R. feel free to fix it
@JanDvorak I can't feel free to fix it.
I don't have edit rights on meta.SO
@M.A.R. Throw me a copyable version of whatever character would be right.
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J F
@Undo — (or – between two numbers)
@Undo &ndash;
Or &mdash;
20:16
But really there's no real benefit, just a ton of work, to fixing the em-dash thing
There
Although Jan has a point
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of body: Touchpad/Trackpad Drivers by Alpaca Your bags on askubuntu.com
@Undo <3
@Undo If the voting fraud script caught multiple voters from the same room, I think all our votes on that post would be invalidated
@angussidney hahaha
20:18
And a bunch from Python and C++ and Blue Room across other posts
@JanDvorak No post can ever be so perfect that no pedant can nitpick, but that isn't an excuse not to try to be perfect
@M.A.R. challenge accepted
@ArtOfCode how much work would it be to allow r/a flags to be cast from fire?
@Cerbrus
metasmoke has to know how to do it first, and you have to pass that information down the stack
Probably not much, but then we're contributing to the forced dichotomy
(that's my word of the day)
On the FIRE side it's just an extra button plus negotiating with MS
20:23
or you make FIRE use the SE API. Let's let the meta post run its course first, eh? If that ends up saying that we handle the types differently, then it might be worth adding R/A to FIRE, but if we conclude that the two get handled the same, then it's not worth the development time.
@JanDvorak yes, but you have to include the MS development time because one of us has to do it
how much would that be?
Look, it'd be easy to do. The question is whether we want to
We do
following rules doesn't mean we endorse them
But... all the rules anyone can find say that it's fine.
correction, you do. And possibly a couple others so far. We are not agreed on whether this is something we should do.
20:25
The rules we aren't following are the ones that moderators have, mostly, kinda hallucinated
Thanks!
yeah thanks Processed
@JonClements a cat on the keyboard is an excellent audit, isn't it? — Jan Dvorak 14 secs ago
boom
Jon has a valid point
I would hope no one would fail that audit
What I'm confused over is this, @Jan. Those two flags are literally identical. Assuming a concrete (or close enough to) policy on handling these the same, I see no reason to necessitate extra development time to cast two different flag types that end up merging into one anyway. Do you?
20:28
@ArtOfCode well, they are named differently :-)
@Undo No I know I'm just amused by the image of someone getting an audit like "mafowemoeshrthsa meow meow asdfhtr;"
@JanDvorak semantics. Literally, semantics.
I personally think Pop's comment on this is kind of the ultimate authority:
Feb 28 at 21:31, by Pops
It's... hard... to argue in favor of writing an algorithm and making a bot spend time calculating which of the two flag types to use when they are, in actuality, the exact same flag. It's not even Coke vs. Pepsi, it's Pepsi vs. a second bottle of Pepsi that's using a different but still valid Pepsi logo.
@Undo It might be nice to put that in the post rather than as a link
It's pretty important to notice
Yeah, but it didn't really get that much publicity.
Well that's why we're doing this now right?
20:29
done
@quartata pretty much, yeah
fp- by DavidPostill
@Undo: In the meantime, my preference is listed above. Let two be one until the system agrees with the notion. — Makoto 1 min ago
Well said
guys, is autoflagging still happening?
Yes
Going strong. 200+/day average, last false positives 3 and 22 days ago
20:39
Spammers take Sundays off
cool!
we must be going on 8k flags now?
7905, yeah.
did you get a chance to deploy redunda, @Undo?
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I just realized that SE could just get rid of the spam flag — stepping into a conversation and yelling an advertisement is inappropriate for respectful discourse, and it’s abusive of the site’s resources and terms of service.
heh, I guess I could look at the revision...
Well, we could cast r/a on everything instead of spam on everything
20:44
@JF "Why no, good sir, I do believe it is pronounced G-I-F." "But of course not, for--" "BUY MY PILLS"
@ArtOfCode ProTip: user.add_role :owner, Bot will give you owner privs across all bots ever
May be good to do instead of an admin role
Would need to overhaul instance permissions too
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in title: Does Russia/USSR have a S.H.I.E.L.D. equivalent? by a deleted user on scifi.SE
sd why
@JanDvorak [:35993387] Title - Position 25-34: S.H.I.E.L
sd - f
20:46
?
Not sure
Some kind of obfuscation check
it got 93 points
@Undo eeehh. Yes, but. It removes the ability to have separate admin-only tools that regular bot owners aren't supposed to have access to.
Fair
Deploying
ta :)
20:53
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in body: Copying String to String Like a Char by Doctor One on stackoverflow.com
tpu- by DavidPostill
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@Undo Why doesn’t Redunda show stack traces in prod?
Haven't set it up to do that
@SmokeDetector @David wasn't it vandalism?
Need to look at what we did in metasmoke for it
@M.A.R. Can't tell as it was deleted by the time I went to look at it. I don't have 10k anywere else than Super User :/
20:59
It was, a self-deleted homework
@DavidPostill Ahh, it was removed by the time I visited it, so I couldn't tell either
tpu- vs tp- the only difference is the user is blacklisted so we will see his homewerk next time :)
@Undo config.consider_all_requests_local = true in /config/environments/production.rb
 
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22:20
New metasmoke user 'Jon Clements' created
22:45
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Right, looks like I missed some discussion
It's relatively simple to add another button to FIRE for rude/abusive, now that I've implemented SE authentication.
So, looks like that's on my TODO list.
@JF Same for that, also on my TODO.
Note that for FIRE reature requests, you can also submit an issue on the GH repo. Then I'll definitely see it.
I didn't realize FIRE was living there. Noted.
No problem :-)
Oooh, Ruby lets you dynamically generate methods
that's fun
23:11
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer, blacklisted user: Open source .NET library for automatic Russian text summarization by Gallanzi on softwarerecs.SE
fp- by DavidPostill
tpu- by DavidPostill
23:26
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in title, phone number detected in title: Lady Gaga @1844 782 8096 skype support phone number skype tech support number usa by rgrgrg on civicrm.SE
tpu- by quartata
@Cerbrus It would be great if Fire opened up a dialog to sign up for an account on sites you don't have accounts for
23:58
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in body: ajax request SyntaxError: missing ; by Hamdi Alp on stackoverflow.com
fp- by DavidPostill
@SmokeDetector why
@YvetteColomb Body - Position 542-554: 2captcha.com, Position 997-1009: 2captcha.com

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