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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported question: Why does this Nazi website allow spam links from Valorum? by Anonymous on scifi.stackexchange.com (@Mithrandir)

tpu- by Glorfindel

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Reading a file using Java scanner by user7520437 on stackoverflow.com (@dorukayhan)

Jamal

A question complaining about spam? I did Nazi that coming.

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tpu- by Glorfindel

Mithrandir

@Jamal Ouch.

angussidney

Yo @ArtOfCode, would it be possible for you to start up a private room for you, myself and undo to talk about something?

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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Numbers-only title: 1121221212121221133 by Adel on physics.stackexchange.com

Yvette Colomb

21:08

sd tp-

Glorfindel

@SmokeDetector v

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tpu- by DavidPostill

Glorfindel

@SmokeDetector that's a bit harsh, I guess

!!/rmblu physics.stackexchange.com/u/144386

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@Glorfindel User removed from blacklist (144386 on physics.stackexchange.com).

Yvette Colomb

@DavidPostill vadalism? tp npt tpu

DavidPostill

21:11

@YvetteColomb Too late :/

Yvette Colomb

@DavidPostill nm :)

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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in body: Python - Print Method using variables by Mad_dog on stackoverflow.com (@dorukayhan)

Mithrandir

@SmokeDetector v

Glorfindel

@SmokeDetector v

DavidPostill

@SmokeDetector v

dorukayhan

21:13

why was that user deleted?

Jamal

It might've been a self-deletion.

Glorfindel

@Jamal You can't self delete if you've posted something.

Jamal

Then Undo will have to look at the deletion reason.

Undo

!!/alive

SmokeDetector

@Undo Of course

Undo

21:18

@dorukayhan I'm on mobile and haven't looked, but y'all know I couldn't tell you anyway

Jamal

Right

ArtOfCode

@angussidney is it related to SE moderation?

if not, email is better

angussidney

Nah, charcoal moderation. I'll send an email later today when I'm at home

Undo

If it's something we want a papertrail on for meta-yelling-at-us purposes, private chat. Otherwise email

angussidney

On an unrelated note, should someone ping pops or another CM and ask for an update on wether or not we're able to start doing multiple autoflags?

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Because surely it's just the sort of thing they'd have a quick meeting about and then give us a yes/no

Yvette Colomb

21:30

@angussidney multiple autoflags?

J F

@YvetteColomb Only 1 flag is raised currently, this could be raised.

angussidney

@YvetteColomb yeah, our version of integrating our spam systems into SE without any Dev work required on their side

Yvette Colomb

@JF ah so we could have say 3 auto flags raised?

J F

@YvetteColomb Yes.

angussidney

@YvetteColomb we can do up to six if we have permission

Yvette Colomb

21:32

sounds good

thanks guys

or girls and guys O.O

Glorfindel

@YvetteColomb Check January 12th on this graph. It's actually January 13th for everyone ahead of UTC.

Mithrandir

Problem with raising 3 now: Workplace and English will poof like that.

Yvette Colomb

@Glorfindel why so high?

Glorfindel

@YvetteColomb both Art and Undo were autoflagging then.

Yvette Colomb

@Mithrandir it can be customised to limit it on some sites

@Glorfindel so two flags per post?

Glorfindel

21:34

@YvetteColomb yes, from a technical side it works. IIRC that was an accident, but it's fine to know it works.

Yvette Colomb

I've got an exam in 45 mins

so what do I do? Pass time on SE ;)

Glorfindel

@YvetteColomb good luck!

Yvette Colomb

@Glorfindel ah cool

and thanks :)

ok bye

angussidney

Technically I could flick the switch to start doing 6 flags per post right now, but that would probably lead to suspensions and loss of privileges and trust.... Which I don't want to happen :)

And plus, I wouldn't start with 6 flags

Glorfindel

@angussidney I'd go for x-1, where x is the nuke threshold.

angussidney

21:40

Before we go above 3 flags I'd like us to try something else

The number of autoflags depends on the weight

I.e. >300 means 2 flags, >400 means 3 flags, >500 means 4 flags etc

Or something like that

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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted user: Why does this Nazi website censor commentsf? Nazism by Anonymous on scifi.stackexchange.com (@Mithrandir)

angussidney

Of course, obeying user settings at the same time

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tpu- by J F

Glorfindel

Yeah, definitely. I don't have MS access, but I suspect most of us have a weight > 250. That means for posts with lower weights, the same small group of users will be used for autoflagging.

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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, bad keyword with email in answer, email in answer: My friend wanted a vacuum, I cosigned, then she died a week later by Helen SMith on money.stackexchange.com

tpu- by Glorfindel

Glorfindel

21:45

@SmokeDetector what's that user even trying to accomplish?

Jamal

The spam seems to be coming earlier today. I guess they want to get it out of the way before the Super Bowl.

DavidPostill

@Jamal lol. I first read that as Sugar Bowl and thought "Wat!" ;p

Undo

@angussidney We could try that, but at 99.9x% accuracy... does it really matter?

Mithrandir

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Q: Does an answer to the Sugar Bowl mystery exist?

In the later books in The Series of Unfortunate Events, the sugar bowl becomes a cryptic macguffin -- everybody's after it, everybody mentions how important it is, but nobody explains why. There are implications that the sugar bowl would destroy Count Olaf, or exonerate Lemony Snicket, or both. ...

Undo

Definitely stay under the threshold per-site, though

Jamal

21:50

Maybe we can get some Super Bowl spam here. I'd like a break from pills and Baba Ji.

Glorfindel

American Football is just a weak variation of rugby.

DavidPostill

@Glorfindel I would have used a different word than "weak" but I don't want to get flagged ...

Undo

@angussidney Probably should, yeah.

Mithrandir

@Undo you're the one with superping powers :P

Undo

have an email channel, it's a little better for this kind of thing

some spammer just hit pay dirt

Jan Dvorak

21:57

I wanted to ask how they got the front page of Google, but then I realized several iterations of w3schools occupy the same space

Mithrandir

@Glorfindel steelersquirrel is horrified now.

DavidPostill

@Undo Reported :)

@JanDvorak Probably because he has posted the same crap 170 times linkedin.com/pulse/activities/…

ArtOfCode

22:12

!!/status

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@ArtOfCode Running since 20:03:33 UTC (129 minutes)

ArtOfCode

!!/location

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@ArtOfCode teward/Aurora

Glorfindel

I'm going to sleep now, but not before informing you that according to a well-respected Dutch news site, 'Vitamin D' has been elected 'Supplement of the Year'. I have been searching for a flag link but to no avail.

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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted user: How to keep application awake in background by Томас Петр on stackoverflow.com (@dorukayhan)

fp- by J F

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: Lato font rendering error by No Limits on graphicdesign.stackexchange.com

fp- by DavidPostill

Thomas Ward

22:36

@ArtOfCode I think the issues with Aurora are resolved now so I can just hope it doesn't blow up anymore

ArtOfCode

hope

Jan Dvorak

If a ragequitting user unaccepts, unupvotes and downvotes all of the answers to his questions, is it worth a mod flag?

It's not limited to a single answerer

Thomas Ward

@ArtOfCode I think it was because of the commit we made to fix the invalid int error we had

which we reverted which seems to have fixed things - that loop was causing evils

DavidPostill

@JanDvorak I would say yes.

@JanDvorak You can't remove an upvote unless the answer has been edited.

Anonymous

@JanDvorak The serial voting detection should catch it, and the mods will see it and can deal with it. A mod flag isn't a bad idea, though.

DavidPostill

22:54

@Mego I thought the serial voting script detected multiple downvotes to a single user, not single downvotes to many users?

> Every night around 03:00 UTC, a voting fraud detection script is run that looks for patterns such as these. It basically looks for users who have upvoted another user many times.

Anonymous

@DavidPostill It does both.

Anonymous

At least, that's my understanding

DavidPostill

@Mego Really? I've used all my daily votes more than once. I've never been accused of serial up or downvoting.

Rand al'Thor

Is "Nazi" one of the blacklisted words Smokey will always catch?

DavidPostill

!!/test nazi

SmokeDetector

22:58

> Would not be caught for title, body, and username.

Rand al'Thor

Because I've just seen two "you're all a bunch of Nazis" posts on SFF which didn't show up in here. Probably only because I nuked them too fast for Smokey to catch, but I thought it was worth asking.

Anonymous

@Randal'Thor History and Politics would cause a ton of FPs if it were

DavidPostill

@Randal'Thor It seems not.

Rand al'Thor

Ugh.

!!/report scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/151998/…

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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported question: Why does this Nazi website use give proof to censor post they don't like? by NOnazis on scifi.stackexchange.com (@Mithrandir)

Rand al'Thor

22:59

There's another one just now.

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tpu- by Mego

Rand al'Thor

@SmokeDetector why

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@Randal'Thor Blacklisted user - blacklisted for scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/151988 (m.erwaysoftware.com/posts/by-url?url=//scifi.stackexchange.com/…) by http:metasmoke

Anonymous

@DavidPostill The script also takes into account the pacing of the votes. Downvoting 1 answer per minute or so probably wouldn't get caught, but downvoting 1 answer every few seconds will.

Rand al'Thor

@SmokeDetector How do I find out why that first post got the user blacklisted?

Anonymous

23:00

@Randal'Thor It was given tpu feedback, which means true positive + blacklist user

Rand al'Thor

@Mego But how did the first one show up on Smokey's radar at all, so that it knew to blacklist the user and report the second one?

Anonymous

The reasoning is, if a user posts something that is very obviously spam or offensive, chances are, they are going to do it again, so their posts will be automatically reported.

Anonymous

@Randal'Thor You reported it manually

Rand al'Thor

@Mego I didn't. That was a different user (albeit the same person).

Anonymous

3 mins ago, by Rand al'Thor

!!/report http://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/151998/why-does-this-nazi-website-use-g‌ive-proof-to-censor-post-they-dont-like

Rand al'Thor

23:02

@Mego Yes, that was a different user (albeit the same person).

Anonymous

Oh I can't follow arrows, I'm dumb

Anonymous

1 hour ago, by SmokeDetector

tpu- by J F

Rand al'Thor

Sorry if I'm being abrupt. This guy is pissing me off.

Anonymous

I think the reasons get confused if you ask why after a user has been blacklisted

DavidPostill

The first one was "Post manually reported by user teward from metasmoke."

Anonymous

23:03

Yep

Anonymous

Thomas manually reported it through MS, so now any posts the user makes will get automatically reported here by Smokey

Rand al'Thor

@SmokeDetector why

SmokeDetector

@Randal'Thor Post manually reported by user teward from metasmoke.

Anonymous

And we can drop the tungsten rods from orbit on the posts

Rand al'Thor

@DavidPostill Ah, thanks.

@Mego But I've already destroyed that user.

He keeps making new accounts.

Anonymous

23:04

@Randal'Thor I'm not sure about the powers of diamonds mods - are you guys able to IP ban or is that CM-only?

DavidPostill

@Randal'Thor As a mod can't you block his IP address?

Anonymous

If you can't IP ban, you should contact the CMs so that they can do it

DavidPostill

Or is he toring?

Rand al'Thor

He's also started using a different IP each time.

Anonymous

That's annoying

Rand al'Thor

23:05

I'm making a note of the IP each time I destroy one of these users, but it's not really helping.

Anonymous

I don't know if there are any tools the CMs can use to deal with that, but we can keep nuking the posts as they appear

Anonymous

A user circumventing IP bans is definitely something to escalate to the SE team, though

dorukayhan

@Randal'Thor have you tried leaving a comment like "Whether you like it or not, questions on Scifi.SE must adhere a set of rules and these rules will never be removed no matter how much people bitch about their strictness. Now could you please stop wasting your energy bugging us?"?

Rand al'Thor

@dorukayhan Nah, I'm following the "don't feed the troll" rule.

If the only reaction to his shitposting is deletion and account nuking, hopefully he'll get bored eventually.

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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: Intermittently unresponsive keyboard and trackpad on Macbook Air by Mark on apple.stackexchange.com

naa- by dorukayhan

dorukayhan

23:12

!!/notify 11540 scifi.stackexchange.com-

DavidPostill

@SmokeDetector That's spamvertising task-bucks.com

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tpu- by Mego

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected: Does the hit location on a tank determine the damage? by Ticoune l'ami on gaming.stackexchange.com

tpu- by DavidPostill

J F

23:51

How does this look for a loading indicator for the autoflagging userscript?

jsfiddle.net/t19xrm3q

Jan Dvorak

That won't work. Toss it in a jsfiddle, perhaps?

J F

@JanDvorak ^^

Jan Dvorak

I don't think we need a loading indicator

J F

@JanDvorak It already has one (in case the metasmoke request takes too long):

github.com/Charcoal-SE/Userscripts/blob/master/…

Jan Dvorak

Oh. Then I'd prefer the old one, perhaps bigger

this one draws too much attention

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