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12:01
Hmm. Meta is site 4 in the site list. There are lots of reports ...
Meta Stack Exchange itself is considered to be a normal site (it also doesn't have any rep requirements).
@DavidPostill you're right, I missed that.
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, link following arrow in body, pattern-matching website in body: Stack Xtreme Make yourself appear by TashRica on drupal.stackexchange.com
tpu- by Glorfindel
@DavidPostill Most spam comes from 1 rep users, Meta sites require 15 rep. Even if they are monitored, it seems unlikely we'd see much reports if at all. Might be to save some requests on the quota?
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted username, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, repeated URL at end of long post: hose who wish to optimize Raw Power XL the results in bed by artee juriya on security.stackexchange.com
tpu- by Glorfindel
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in body: I want to iterate the objects in python using for loop by vinod on stackoverflow.com (@dorukayhan)
fp- by Glorfindel
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in body: ............................................................t by Ren S on english.stackexchange.com
@SmokeDetector v
12:14
@SmokeDetector v
Oh
The 404 image on English.SE is so nice
@Glorfindel yeah, that's an issue with lookarounds, they are not included in the captured match
It's only a minor blemish. I'm already very happy that it works.
many of the seally old rules have complex lookarounds, like the Nike filter we removed the other week
you couldn't teln that it matched on "nike", it just displayed a longer captured string from somewhere else in the flagged post
some of the remaining ones woud be even harder to debug
my secret wish is to simply scrap them once our recent heuristics provide enough coverage on their own
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, pattern-matching website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: Reaction Male Enhancement Always in every diet by danalimas125 on apple.stackexchange.com
tpu- by Glorfindel
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, pattern-matching website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: Reaction Male Enhancement by sardar wada1 on apple.stackexchange.com
tpu- by Glorfindel
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Looking for a TV show about young people at a boarding school? by Anurag on scifi.stackexchange.com
@SmokeDetector k
People keep popping over that I didn't know knew about Smokey...
@Mithrandir grmblr I hate crypto why did you have to put crypto in this puzzle
12:48
@Mithrandir xwPYx
Now by the look of it, it's some basic letter-shift
But still.
It's not...
i.stack
Ah.
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: mature skin requires something different by cothoslu2016 on askubuntu.com (@ThomasWard)
tpu- by Kyll
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: win 7 start button context menu missing by Zotax on superuser.com
tpu- by Glorfindel
@DavidPostill ^ Seems like a legit user on SO?
Also isn't AVG legit? (as in: No malware)
@Kyll <shrug> AVG causes more problems than it fixes on Windows ...
12:56
Suure but it's legit
I'd call this a fp
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body: HL Slim Pro guaranteed and sound supplement by cavuvazok on graphicdesign.stackexchange.com
tpu- by Glorfindel
> This is the flag you currently have raised.
ninja'ed by the system
@Kyll That's fine. !!/report is intended to promote discussion here if people are unsure ...
@SmokeDetector f
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, pattern-matching website in body, repeated URL at end of long post, blacklisted user: Reaction Male Enhancement by sardar wada1 on apple.stackexchange.com
tpu- by Glorfindel
13:13
Taking into account auto-flags, what's the proportion of posts we cast 3 or more flags on?
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body: A weight watcher communicated by cavuvazok on askubuntu.com (@ThomasWard)
tpu- by Glorfindel
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, pattern-matching website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: Reaction Male Enhancement Something as simple by danalimas125 on stackoverflow.com (@dorukayhan)
tpu- by Glorfindel
I don't think my account is being used for auto flags
It seems so. What are your settings?
min wt = 280, max rep poster = 3 , min reason count = 1
@YvetteColomb Make sure you have all sites selected in both dialogs :)
13:28
163 sites
@DavidPostill ok
checking
ah I didn't have all the sites checked in both
thanks @DavidPostill
@YvetteColomb NP. I made the same mistake :)
cheers :)
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, blacklisted website in body, blacklisted website in title, link at end of body: canwestcellular.ca by williamblake8 on meta.stackexchange.com
tpu- by Yvette
13:44
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, pattern-matching website in body: Similar to all the different supplements Stack Xtreme? by TrishaCannon on graphicdesign.stackexchange.com
tpu- by Floern
14:07
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in answer: Returning http 200 OK with error within response body by user7479078 on stackoverflow.com (@dorukayhan)
naa- by Glorfindel
14:32
Restart: API quota is 3933.
15:00
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer, pattern-matching website in answer: How to recover deleted text messages by adph on stackoverflow.com (@dorukayhan)
^ Unsure, mod-flagging
Prolly F
Really bad question.
Mhm
> This answer from a 1-rep unregistered user sounds a lot like spam. I am unsure if this is one instance of spam and am thus raising this flag instead.
15:03
@Kyll (づ。◕‿‿◕。)づ
=D
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, pattern-matching website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: Platinum XT 1000 trick to losing weight by feenlusi154 on apple.stackexchange.com
tpu- by Glorfindel
@SmokeDetector The joy of having flagged before @Glo
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] No whitespace in answer: Why won't my BBM app work properly on Samsung Galaxy S7 device? by devanshu rehan on android.stackexchange.com
tpu- by MAR
15:28
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in answer: In formal writing, should I reply to this email in this case by JaydenGreen on ell.stackexchange.com
15:39
@SmokeDetector f
@SmokeDetector f
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, pattern-matching website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: Platinum XT 1000 really work by feenlusi154 on stackoverflow.com (@dorukayhan)
tpu- by Ferrybig
15:57
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in answer, repeating characters in answer: How do I play animations in the game engine? by Alperen Süngü on blender.stackexchange.com
tpu- by Wrzlprmft
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in title, pattern-matching website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: Platinum XT 1000 Increase Muscle by tevu luvuh on apple.stackexchange.com
16:16
@SmokeDetector k
@ArtOfCode it doesn't exist.
@Undo aye, I got to that conclusion - it's part of the next deploy
we talked about implementing it, then we talked about how we didn't implement it and probably should
also, @ArtOfCode why do we need github.com/Charcoal-SE/metasmoke/commit/…?
That's something that shouldn't ever need to be kicked manually. Curious what issue you found there.
specifically, the "false positives" that aren't
huh, are we just not updating on invalidations?
@SmokeDetector f
16:20
Conflicting feedback on Platinum XT 1000 Increase Muscle.
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body: How to take a trial? by Fatir Abbas Saiyed on patents.stackexchange.com
...oh
fp- by Glorfindel
@Undo oh?
@ArtOfCode Wrong issue. Actually a side effect of how search filters by feedback.
@Undo uhh... that sounds like a broken filter, then
16:22
Well, kinda
Misleading, definitely
A couple ways to solve that
a filter that puts 8 tp's as fp's doesn't exactly sound accurate :)
... O.o
When we search for 'false positive', it actually looks for posts having positive feedback... which due to SQL causes us to only get said positive feedback.
The problem might be that this page doesn't show red crosses.
16:25
easy to fix now that we cache feedback on the post. Lemme do it.
@Glorfindel The posts on that page are correct. The feedback presentation isn't.
Yep, I know, they're 'conflicts', and I expected them to end up there. This search has one hit which ends up both on the TP tab and the FP tab.
But there I do see the red cross.
Yes, because of the SQL odditities.
@MarkYisri "Can we make smokey a mod" (on GitHub). Under absolutely no circumstances. THat's not our call, either, that's SE's call and I doubt they'd do that
esp. because it's a bot.
they would sooner give me god admin everywhere than make Smokey a mod, probably.
I would love to see Smokey sign the moderator agreement.
Signing that is kinda fun
also, fixed the search thing @ArtOfCode @Glorfindel
16:37
Confirmed, thanks!
oh, and @ArtOfCode that code does not do what you think it does
user.flag_logs.where(:site => post.site, :success => true, :is_dry_run => false).count isn't bounded by UTC day. I'm fixing.
!!/alive
@ThomasWard Of course
!!/location
@ThomasWard teward/Aurora
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected: Why is my iPhone clock running behind 20 min? by Richard Scherrer on apple.stackexchange.com
16:39
@SmokeDetector k
@Undo oh, whoops
I actually kinda agree lolololol oops misread, I thought he said iphones were garbage lolol
sd f
@Undo soz I insulted apple products, I know you're a fan. My kids love them and we have a ongoing joke between android, windows and apple (they don't know what ios is)
16:53
Tell you what, I switched to Fi last year. Great service, but I'm really not impressed with the overall experience
@Undo Fi?
tpu- by Yvette
US thing
Nexus 5X. Decent phone, but they've started bootlooping and EVERY NEXUS 5X EVER MADE WILL DO IT EVENTUALLY, or so says the Internet. LG is reluctant to solve the issue; many reports of RMAs being rejected for weird reasons. Fi helps out a little bit there, but the return process still involves me not having a phone for the better part of a month. Ridiculous.
naa- by ByteCommander
16:56
not sure though
@Undo oh yes I see. I had that issue with Samsung recalling my phone, I always have loads of spare phones laying around. It's still annoying though
If this was an iPhone, (1) there'd be a national emergency over how Apple could have done something so irresponsible, and (2) I would just walk into the Apple Store a few minutes from my house and hand them my old phone, walk out with a new one. If that one bootlooped, I'd probably do it again and walk out with a newer phone.
@ByteCommander I made an error
@Undo yep that's good customer service
... and you pay a hefty sum to have that service
Grandmother once had an iPad 2 (looong out of warranty) not able to connect to cell towers in the middle of nowhere. Totally not Apple's problem. Somehow over two trips to the store she walked out with a brand new iPad Air
16:58
exactly, that's what I don't like. Everything about it is pricey
That's... three generations. For free.
:) I like that. I'm not sure they'd be so generous here. Hm. we tend to get the blunt end of technology here
Speed of light is a bummer, but I don't think Apple's support changes much country to country
ok I'll bear that in mind next time we have a problem, but you know what, we've never had any real issues with their products. Which is a stab in the eye for my argument ;)
@Undo Impressive. I stil like to joke about it :D Not well founded jokes by the look of it O>O
@ArtOfCode That's a dot...?
17:05
@KazWolfe there have been no false positives.
1893 true positives, 0 false positives.
Evening charcoalers
@Undo no fps yet in autoflagging?
aye
Or none that I've seen
I've been closely monitoring my flags and I haven't gotten one yet
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in answer: Mage registry key "_singleton/opc/observer" already exists by cris on stackoverflow.com (@dorukayhan)
I set my weight at 180
17:08
??
fp- by Glorfindel
I had something autoflagged as spam which was rude/abusive instead, but the flag was still marked helpful.
@SmokeDetector hey that website is bizzarre
I think it's scraping SO
@KazWolfe Ah. The 2 is the number of posts in the DB that were marked as FP but would have been flagged under that condition.
@KazWolfe Historically, there would have been a couple in the past. Like, early 2016.
17:09
@ArtOfCode so, is there a way to see those?
not that have been flagged
@KazWolfe I don't think so...
Do you like having Fi, @Undo? I'm considering changing to it, but I have one data point to base experiences on. I'd like to double the amount of data I have :)
@Andy Works great for me.
I'm super low data usage, though. Less than 400M/mo, always
$20 base price is a little irritating
I removed website that is scraping SO content and added original SO post. — Yvette Colomb 17 secs ago
@Undo Did you move from a carrier that is part of Fi, or from another (ie. Verizon or AT&T)?
17:15
Started fresh there.
(first real phone)
Which isn't entirely true, so we'll say "first POTS number"
You can't see it, but I'm frowning at you.
I forgot how young you are because of how mature you are
Sorry :P
Ok, last question, I think - do you notice when you switch between cell towers owned by different carriers? Or is everything in your area all the same carrier?
@Andy ikr, he's amazing
@Andy I have play.google.com/store/apps/… installed, but now it's really only for curiosity.
Switching algorithms have gotten a lot better in the last 6mo or so. It's great, I don't notice at all.
17:19
Awesome.
I lied. One more: your phone is unlocked, right?
Only time I have to actually care is when I visit grandparents in the middle of nowhere. You can force it to connect to Sprint/TMO/USC manually, and it'll dutifully stay there for six hours or so. Works okay, everyone else has issues getting signal too.
@Andy Yeah. I can stop whenever I want.
No, I mean the phone itself - you have root access and access to the bootloader?
@Undo Also good to know. Only one of those reliably covers the house, but at work all three cover the area.
Oh, I don't because I'm not into that kind of stuff
@Andy yeah, it should figure that out okay. At grandparents I'm pretty sure the temperature changes the refraction of the atmosphere, causing cell towers to just disappear.
Ah, so it doesn't come to you unlocked. Good to know too. :)
17:23
@SmokeDetector k
Hey everyone
oy
howdy
Oh, @Andy the other nice thing about Fi is you can get free SIM cards for tablets, other phones and such
Free to use; $10/GB just like everything else. I keep a stack around just in case. Awful convenient.
oooh. I like that
17:27
I think they're only TMO, but still
@YvetteColomb What should have happened is the OP should not answer at all and instead cast a flag/vtc as a duplicate. Answers should not be verbatim duplicates of other answers ...
@DavidPostill yes, not answering dupes is an issue. But we are allowed to copy and paste other answers if we give attribution. I've been through that debate with Hans Passant in meta more than once :D
@SmokeDetector f
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported question: What's difference between get and get line by Faiz Alam on stackoverflow.com (@dorukayhan)
17:56
@ArtOfCode I lol'd at ^ that on StackOverflow
some of the comments needed pruned but...
I'm flagging them
I only worried about one of the comments because it was outright rude
"Vat of acid might work?" or something like that is rude/offensive
flagged and handled heh
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, pattern-matching website in answer: Quick contacts fetching android by Anmol Verma on stackoverflow.com (@dorukayhan)
tpu- by Kyll
Might have been a bit quick on that one
mh
@SmokeDetector n
tpu- by Yvette
18:02
It's his own blog @Kyll
Meh
agreed
@SmokeDetector k
usually I make a note that I have a link about it or something on my blog, and give details and stuff, disclosing that it's my blog post. Usually for nginx stuff on Ask Ubuntu, though.
Eeh not entirely sure
This almost feels legit
Hence why I back-pedalled
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Fetch Contacts in android application by Anmol Verma on stackoverflow.com (@dorukayhan)
tpu- by Yvette
"I have information that would work here on my blog: FOOBARBAZLINK"
the fact he's now copypasting is evil
18:05
@SmokeDetector @Kyll I rest my case
Yeah okay it's spam now
it was spam before ;)
Still disagreeing!
Strange - that user is last seen "12 minutes ago" but his only posts are much younger than that.
I also left a comment and the OP ignored it
Anonymous
18:06
@Glorfindel Blame caching
@Glorfindel caching
Or it's a time-travelling spammer. That's the worst kind.
3
oooh yes, I like that
> Time Traveler: I've invented a time machine!
> Bystander: What are you going to do with it?
> Time Traveler: Spam 2017!
6
fp- by Glorfindel
18:08
@SmokeDetector why
@ThomasWard Body - Position 124-133: diet plan
@SmokeDetector fp-
@ThomasWard You're warding off the rudeness
Your surname's potential for puns is endless.
the only reason you guys don't do that, is because you don't like annoying mods :p
@Magisch It's tho massive?
18:15
but you're not wrong.
My Chaotic Evil Dark Mage of Chaos powers, though, are useful enough to keep the rudeness of people at bay.
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in answer: Why is One Punch Man considered a parody anime? by Christian Walker on anime.stackexchange.com
@SmokeDetector k
Anonymous
I'm not sure what message the user is trying to convey. Perhaps we should ask for clarification?
I'd rather not.
!!/test hackintosh\.com
18:25
> Would not be caught for title, body, and username.
!!/test hackintosh\.com
> Would not be caught for title, body, and username.
!!/test hackintosh.com
> Would not be caught for title, body, and username.
hmm
hackintosh is illegal heh
18:27
should we care?
spam seeder on Code Review.
already handled by their mods' orbital lasers though
@ByteCommander @ThomasWard On SU we refuse to answer hackintosh questions as per meta.superuser.com/questions/1471/…
@DavidPostill yes I know
18:40
@ThomasWard Are we in the business of policing license violations now?
nope
but they were on the verge of spam everywhere else
@Magisch Nothing to do with SD, but we on SU don't answer those questions. They get custom vote closed.
19:32
@DavidPostill well that's kinda ridiculous
API quota rolled over with 1745 requests remaining. Current quota: 9999.
stackoverflow: 1359
askubuntu: 506
superuser: 446
drupal: 241
unix: 238
electronics: 174
english: 170
math: 169
salesforce: 135
travel: 132
gis: 132
mathoverflow.net: 128
security: 123
ell: 119
dba: 117
apple: 112
wordpress: 108
scifi: 108
magento: 106
money: 105
sharepoint: 105
academia: 95
mathematica: 94
meta: 90
physics: 89
gaming: 88
softwareengineering: 81
es.stackoverflow: 78
stats: 75
graphicdesign: 74
movies: 73
chemistry: 72
ru.stackoverflow: 70
tex: 66
worldbuilding: 65
android: 63
webapps: 60
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in answer: c# library that extracts gmail,yahoomail and AOL contacts by Kayla Elizabeth on stackoverflow.com (@dorukayhan)
tpu- by Glorfindel
19:48
@SmokeDetector k
0
Q: Revisit the Hackintosh policy

UndoThis answer from 2010 is oft-cited as reason for questions about "Hackintoshes" (fancy word for "Running macOS on non-Apple hardware") not being allowed. The reasoning is that we don't want "a reputation for encouraging something that may or may not be illegal". That's a horrible guideline, and ...

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer, link at end of answer: When did Darth Vader get his red lightsaber? by Raju shrivastav on scifi.stackexchange.com
tpu- by Glorfindel
20:14
Recovered from WebSocketConnectionClosedException: Connection is already closed.
oopsies exploded socket
!!/restart
Goodbye, cruel world
Restart: API quota is 9783.
21:16
@SmokeDetector sdh why
fudge
@SmokeDetector why
@ThomasWard Body - Position 2089-2104: Wondershare.com, Position 2155-2170: Wondershare.com
@SmokeDetector fp-
though that's a valid detection, it's false for this case
21:51
It's a little too much fun asking awkward questions sometimes...
that was a masterful example, by the way :P
"Pro Painter 2 for Windows 98"? I was happy with that :)
I had no idea SU was still in the "we must enforce all the laws" stage
wait, does it not actually exist?
I don't think that's a stage of a site, actually - I think it's a phase users go through. Which is why it keeps on cropping up, no matter how many times it gets squished.
@ArtOfCode Probably true
21:53
@Undo shrug It may do, but I thought it was arcane enough that nobody would actually remember it
I just picked a name from thin air
it'd be nice if we could get a large enough swath of users that 'get it' who can go around squishing this consistently, rather than... ya know, once every seven years.
It gets squished pretty well on the 2.0 sites, I think - most of them squished it in beta, and that's stuck since. It kinda makes sense that it's one of the Trilogy that still has that
@ArtOfCode Well we don't allow questions about pirated software either ...
Or cracking your school/work network ...
Should we allow all of those as well?
That's a fine policy. I'm asking for consistency and possibly realization that enforcing EULAs simply can't be done.
also, I think I'm slowly becoming shog. help.
Who's going to point out that they now know about Amazon's TOS and should enforce this policy of not circumventing it? Or, better, argue that Amazon also has a well known ToS?
I would but I have just barely over association bonus rep on SU
21:59
@Undo We all know it can't be enforced. On the other hand nobody is forced to answer the questions either ...
fun fact: AWS' TOS has a zombie clause. If someone claims they read the whole thing, I'm going to say they didn't.
ugh. I can't even down vote
@Andy Amazon is pretty much off-topic on SU. So we don't care about their ToS. So there! ;p
@Run5k Okay, let's try this: I have a Linux EC2 instance. As part of my agreement with Amazon, I believe I'm not allowed to attempt to reverse engineer the structure of their system, which would include their networks. We have a question asking how to list LAN-connected computers in Linux. So we should delete it, right? — Undo 13 mins ago
that was a "silly example" and I never got an answer to it
Not the best example. Traceroute would have been better, but meh.
Feels kinda like breaking down a house of cards that someone put a bunch of glue on.
@Undo "zombie clause"?
Huh, so if everything's gone to shit, at least you can use EC2 to fly your plane.
@ArtOfCode highly recommended, unless you're in australia in which case the latency might actually kill you
That clause sounds like it's about the extent of the "fun" that Amazon's lawyers have
Probably
22:16
Quoting War Games; that wins the argument, surely?
@Run5k You're still doing the self-contradiction thing. My point is this: you cannot possibly hope to enforce every TOS or EULA. Given that, if you enforce one or two selectively, someone will come along and say "but why don't you enforce X as well?", and you'll have no valid reason. So you enforce X. "But why not Y?" So you enforce Y. That's not sustainable. Enforcing other peoples' terms is a strange game, and the only winning move is not to play. — ArtOfCode 40 secs ago
@DavidPostill because meta posts don't come in on the realtime page
also because spammers don't post on meta
5-rep threshold and all
Spams some meta just to prove Art wrong
@ArtOfCode why is it that a lot of arguments you get in are boring? Somebody invoke Godwin's law already, we're on the interwebz
@M.A.R. It kinda happens when you get diamonded, your arguments suddenly become a lot cooler-headed.
it's the greater proximity to shog
23:09
@ArtOfCode I may run in the workplace election
I have 9k there
:D
@Undo proximity to shog is directly related with blue colored names and other symptoms
23:23
@Magisch there are TWP elections? News to me. You've got my vote, if I have the rep.
@ArtOfCode Don't all graduated sites have elections?
@NobodyNada Aye, but I didn't know there was an election there now/soon
Ah, I didn't know that either
oh, yep
@ArtOfCode nominations start on monday
I haven't been reviewing much there, but there isn't much review happening there.
Queue's always empty
@Mag you can't go wrong with a TWP diamond. The team there is excellent.
23:36
I don't want a diamond for the sake of it
I want to contribute more to SE
I'd take a mod role on any site because I care about every site on here. It's not like I pick favorites. I like keeping sites clean in general, I don't see it as a side of contributing regularly
That being said, I also like competing in elections. It gives me a chance to enjoy some free public scrutiny and being challenged on your wrongs is always a learning experience.
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in answer, repeating words in answer: What is so special about triangles?! by user410775 on math.stackexchange.com
tpu- by NobodyNada
naa- by Magisch
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