Charcoal HQ

Undo

00:00

@ArtOfCode What are you using for metasmoke's WS host?

wss://metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/cable?

ArtOfCode

yep

exactly what's in the config.sample, whatever that is

Undo

okay, sent @ThomasWard

angussidney

I'm on mobile atm, so I can't host anything till I get home in about 6 hours, and if I do host anything, I can't guarantee to have it online overnight. Probably best if you leave it to Thomas to give it a go.

Undo

@angussidney Yep, it's good to have another person who can run it anyway. No worries.

Thomas Ward

@Undo got it, thanks.

Undo

00:02

Best check them to make sure I didn't do anything stupid copying them

angussidney

@ThomasWard the one and only rule of having Smokey creds: Don't. Click. The notifications. Please :)

Undo

Oh yeah, that

We're trying to break Int16 or whatever type they're using

angussidney

We're trying to break SE

SmokeDetector

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Thomas Ward

indeed.

SmokeDetector

00:04

Restart: API quota is 9999.

Undo

@SmokeDetector No MS bracket. Odd.

angussidney

So @art are you running the ELU copy while Thomas does the actual Smokey?

ArtOfCode

aye

Thomas Ward

uhm, what...? kicks computer

oh

my bad...

angussidney

@Undo Itonly does it on reports remember

Undo

00:05

@angussidney ELU copy?

@angussidney oh, right

ArtOfCode

@Undo there shouldn't be on startup messages, should there?

Undo

duh

SmokeDetector

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Undo

@ArtOfCode yeah, I'm a little braindead.

SmokeDetector

Restart: API quota is 9997.

ArtOfCode

00:06

@Undo I'm running a clone for EL&U to catch their abuse wave

Thomas Ward

so, i made a breakage on my end. It helps to not click ctrl+c by accident.

Undo

gotcha

angussidney

The English language site Smokey fork thingy for their spam wave

Thomas Ward

(too many windows! >.<)

Undo

@ThomasWard yeah, I usually throw it in a screen session

ArtOfCode

00:06

but running both on the same host burns double quota

I use tmux

Thomas Ward

@Undo It was in a screen session

I just selected the wrong terminal window >.<

Undo

Full stack test incoming...

Thomas Ward

has five terminal windows open

Undo

!!/report stackoverflow.com/q/41050939/1849664

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported question: Encountered weird sawtooth when drawing rounded corner images on iOS by mrahmiao on stackoverflow.com

ArtOfCode

00:07

oh, should probably kill mine

Undo

sd f

Thomas Ward

chuckles

ArtOfCode

Should probably also kill the backup script

Thomas Ward

need me to kill mine or we good?

ArtOfCode

all good

Undo

00:07

@ThomasWard We're good, looks like everything's working

Thomas Ward

cool :)

ArtOfCode

murdered 'em all in cold blood

Undo

You're running nocrash, right?

Thomas Ward

@Undo indeed.

Undo

yeah, so we're good

Thomas Ward

00:08

@Undo yep, nocrash.sh.

Undo

Burning those metasmoke reports

ArtOfCode

does that mean no scream test for the tavern? shame :)

angussidney

Remember undo what we said about not testing on SO? :)

Thomas Ward

@ArtOfCode guess no scream test :)

Undo

@angussidney yeah, wanted to check cSO connection

angussidney

00:09

SOCVR is probably confused

Undo

I gave them ample warning but they're still confused

2

!!/rmblu stackoverflow.com/u/3831195

SmokeDetector

@Undo User removed from blacklist (3831195 on stackoverflow.com).

Undo

@ArtOfCode It's still running in the Tavern :P

Thomas Ward

@Undo So Smokey's working everywhere, from Aurora, without issue?

Undo

@ThomasWard Looks like it

Usually it either works all the way or it breaks in some obvious way, so I'd say we're good

Thomas Ward

00:12

indeed.

fairly painless switchover. Except my blunder of ctrl+c xD

!!/notify 11540 askubuntu.com

SmokeDetector

@ThomasWard You'll now get pings from me if I report a post on askubuntu.com, in room 11540 on chat.stackexchange.com

Thomas Ward

:)

Undo

oh, @ArtOfCode think it's worth it to try to migrate data files over?

Thomas Ward

if you need SSH i'll give you access

angussidney

We should probably figure out a way to sync those with MS

Undo

00:16

@angussidney yeah, we should

@ThomasWard nah, that won't be necessary. We can just commit them to GitHub and have you discard local changes, if that was something we wanted.

Thomas Ward

sounds good

Undo

We're only missing notifications and blacklists/whitelists, though, so... meh

If it was spammy hour, I'd say do it just for the blacklists, but we're probably fine

Thomas Ward

@Undo we'll be coming up on spammy hour in the next couple of hours though

so getting that sooner vs. later might not hurt

ArtOfCode

blacklists are already synced

really the only thing we lose is the notifications

Undo

@ArtOfCode User blacklists, I mean

ArtOfCode

00:17

oh

meh

Undo

@ThomasWard If we come into it fresh, we should be fine

Spammers don't tend to reuse accounts across days

Thomas Ward

@Undo sounds good

indeed.

with the amount of coffee in my system I'll be up for at least the next 4 hours so let me know if we need to sync any more data over

barring that, Smokey's up, and all should be good :)

Undo

Sure. We can do a lot of it remotely if we need to

ArtOfCode

in theory the easiest method of syncing would be scp

but... dunno if it's necessary really

Undo

Or git checkout -- *.txt; git pull, but... meh. Not worth it

also, @ArtOfCode it's still alive

ArtOfCode

00:19

'sides, I have precisely zero idea how to get hold of my public key

Undo

in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 9 secs ago, by SmokeDetector

@Undo ArtOfCode/EC2

ArtOfCode

gah

dorukayhan

!!/willibenotified 11540 stackoverflow.com

SmokeDetector

@dorukayhan No, you won't be notified for that site in that room.

ArtOfCode

how

SmokeDetector

00:20

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted username: How can I change the font colour of this JavaScript code? by wing-ding on stackoverflow.com

Undo

@ArtOfCode Probably some threading fun

SmokeDetector

tpu- by Undo

ArtOfCode

@Undo I'm gonna blame the ELU copy, actually

Undo

@ArtOfCode ah, that'd make sense

ArtOfCode

I thought I'd commented all the messages going to non-HQ rooms but maybe not

Thomas Ward

00:20

@ArtOfCode That shouldn't be too hard to fix, no?

Undo

@SmokeDetector Well timed, old pal.

ArtOfCode

@ThomasWard maybe

Thomas Ward

!!/location

SmokeDetector

@ThomasWard teward/Aurora

Thomas Ward

@Undo do we need to let the rest of SE mods know about the host switch, or will they just ask here if there's any crazy questions?

(or poke you directly heh)

Undo

00:22

@ThomasWard We transfer it all the time here, never had any issues.

Thomas Ward

cool.

ArtOfCode

oh, that's a pain

there's a reply call as well as send_message calls... and all commands use it

Thomas Ward

well, I've got my own script running to poke me if the nocrash.sh script dies off for any reason. so there's that, though short of the server dying or running out of memory (it's got 1GB I highly doubt it'll consume it all) we should be good to go :)

ArtOfCode

So ELU won't post standalone messages in anywhere but its specified room, but it will respond to you

@ThomasWard you can run Smokey on a brick it's that light

Thomas Ward

@ArtOfCode yup!

ArtOfCode

00:23

1 GB is way more than you'll ever need

Thomas Ward

@ArtOfCode indeed. But hey, I got a nice annual payment deal, so :)

angussidney

I run mine on 512mb, and it could even run on 256mb I reckon.

ArtOfCode

TL;DR: my ELU version is several hacks on top of several hacks, with hacks built in as features and the bugs are all hacks. Oh, and the room change is a hack. As are most of the checks.

it's broken but it works

6

NobodyNada

The misleading link filter I wrote has a lot of false-positives, so I just submitted a PR that fixes most of them

Jan Dvorak

I hope you count "self-rewriting" as one of the hacks

Undo

00:26

heh, yay for Flake

NobodyNada

yep...*sigh*

Undo

I actually do think it's been a net gain, but only barely... :P

NobodyNada

I barely know Python, so it's probably a good thing on my PRs :p

Thomas Ward

heh

Undo

It just wants not in instead of not "foo" in

for who knows what reason

although I do agree it looks better

ArtOfCode

00:28

@JanDvorak the copy actually doesn't self-rewrite

Thomas Ward

@ArtOfCode Note though that I would rather have the buffer anyways

in case we accidentally introduced a memleak :P

ArtOfCode

but only because it doesn't have the right details

@ThomasWard REAF. We might well do some day.

Undo

We probably already do; nocrash is designed to let us ignore that

Thomas Ward

indeed.

ArtOfCode

we just build up usage, crash, let the system sort our shit out for us, then do it all over again

Thomas Ward

00:31

I've done worse, actually, once, killed one of my ESXi boxes that way

destabilized the hypervisor xD

NobodyNada

@Undo Yeah, it does look a lot better. Fixed

Thomas Ward

spent six hours manually adjusting VMware configs to stop all autostart VMs xD

SmokeDetector

CI on 110719c succeeded. Message contains 'autopull', pulling...

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev 110719c (NobodyNada: Add checks to misleading link filter (#343) --autopull) (running on teward/Aurora)

Restart: API quota is 9909.

Undo

sd f

ArtOfCode

btw @angus, Smokey has access to another private room - I've pre-warned them about sharing PII, but just FYI. Probably not one to poke if you find it :)

Undo

00:36

@ArtOfCode ELU?

ArtOfCode

aye

copy's running with HQ as a private room

Undo

ugh, kinda hoped we wouldn't do that again.

But okay

ArtOfCode

@Undo reasons in particular?

Undo

Might be worth pinning a big giant warning or something in it

@ArtOfCode Spider sense says that it's prime meta post material

angussidney

Is there a way for me to sign the mod agreement or something similar without becoming a mod?

Then I don't have to worry about any of this.

ArtOfCode

00:37

@Undo there's a big disclaimer there, not pinned, but the mods have seen it

Undo

@ArtOfCode Good enough, probably

ArtOfCode

@angussidney That's an interesting idea. I'm not gonna say there is, but I'm not gonna say there isn't.

Would need to talk to a CM

Undo

@angussidney Pretty sure that's been asked. Main issue is that with moderators, we can say "don't do this or we're gonna take your diamond away". With mortals, it's "don't do this or we'll be kinda unhappy"

Which kinda dilutes the usefulness of it

ArtOfCode

though I suppose the CMs do have infinite suspension powers

not as effective, but not bad

@Undo aye. Hm.

angussidney

I guess losing your diamond is a less effective punishment than being suspended

ArtOfCode

00:40

then again... how likely is anyone to actually find out

Thomas Ward

@angussidney losing your diamond and being sued, on the other hand, is pretty evil in terms of punishment.

(I'm no stranger to proper handling of PII, I even wrote some policies on PII at one place, just saying)

Undo

You're unlikely to be sued for that here, I'd think

ArtOfCode

I'm tempted to email SE. They'll probably say "no way that's possible", but

SmokeDetector

CI on 800b457 succeeded. Message contains 'autopull', pulling...

Thomas Ward

@Undo no, probably not. Just covering my butt either way, 'cause you never know :)

SmokeDetector

00:42

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev 800b457 (Undo1: Remove email-in on Patents --autopull) (running on teward/Aurora)

Restart: API quota is 9868.

Undo

Any objections to completely disabling email-in-body across the network?

Thomas Ward

@Undo none from me

It's more or less going to be a case of people being stupid with their emails than spam/abusive

at least, from what i've seen

the ones that are spam usually will trigger another filter or two as well

Undo

yeah, bad keyword w/ email in body do better

dorukayhan

@Undo it catches spam of the form "my life was fucked up until i encountered this spellcaster [email protected]"

Thomas Ward

yep

Undo

00:48

!!/test my life was fucked up until i encountered this spellcaster [email protected]

SmokeDetector

> Offensive body detected, offensive title detected
----------
Title - Offensive keyword: *fucked*
Title - Position 13-17: fuck
Post - Offensive keyword: *fucked*

Undo

well yeah

!!/test-a my life was unhappy up until i encountered this spellcaster [email protected]

SmokeDetector

> Would not be caught as an answer.

Undo

huh?

ArtOfCode

this is why you don't try to outstmart smokey at its own game

dorukayhan

00:49

!!/test [email protected]

SmokeDetector

> Would not be caught for title, body, and username.

Undo

length limit?

ohhh, site check

SmokeDetector

CI on be3e1bf succeeded. Message contains 'autopull', pulling...

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev be3e1bf (dorukayhan: wingding just obfuscated the word "bojiter" (#344) --autopull) (running on teward/Aurora)

Restart: API quota is 9823.

dorukayhan

pattern-matching website in body has caught no false positives on drupal.se :O

ArtOfCode

well I've pinged SE an email @angussidney - I wouldn't get too hopeful about it, to be honest, but it's there

Thomas Ward

01:08

@ArtOfCode if I may ask, why did you need to shut off Smokey on your end? Pure curiosity is the only reason I ask (i'm happy to run Smokey indefinitely)

Rob

It was double reporting

Thomas Ward

ah

Well, as long as Smokey's behaving now :)

ArtOfCode

@ThomasWard d'you mean once you'd brought it up, or why I needed to transfer host at all?

Thomas Ward

@ArtOfCode the second one - why it needed to be transferred at all

since it had been running mostly flawlessly for a while on your infrastructure.

ArtOfCode

@ThomasWard because running two copies of Smokey on the same host meant I was burning one API quota twice as fast

Not an infrastructure issue, I'm still running a Smokey - I just can't run two without exhausting the quota

Thomas Ward

01:11

ahhh, which would mean the API queries would blow up the quota for queries and Smokey would stop working :)

ArtOfCode

exactly

@Undo what'd you do to metasmoke? It's running oddly fast today :)

Thomas Ward

well now that it's up and running here, it shouldn't churn through that quota as quickly :)

and all will be good :)

Undo

@ArtOfCode I have no clue

I'll take credit for it, though

ArtOfCode

rule #1: always take credit

Undo

Maybe it's Thomas' smokey

Thomas Ward

01:15

Maybe?

Undo

... heck, that might actually be it. I haven't restarted it recently.

Thomas Ward

it is on a gig uplink.

Undo

Art was on EC2, though, and in the same region to boot

ArtOfCode

@ThomasWard mine was literally in the same datacenter as metasmoke :)

Thomas Ward

mmm, true.

ArtOfCode

01:16

probably

Undo

@ArtOfCode maybe, AWS regions are weird

Thomas Ward

well for whatever reason, it's running faster xD

Undo

Your us-east-1a probably isn't my us-east-1a

ArtOfCode

@Undo I'm going with probably

@Undo I'm 1c

Undo

@ArtOfCode They randomize them.

ArtOfCode

01:16

oh

Undo

And there are multiple DCs within each AZ

ArtOfCode

useful

Undo

Working on the metasmoke ML prediction thing.

It's predicting everything as true positive

which I'm gonna take as a compliment

actually, it predicted one false positive. And it got that one right.

ArtOfCode

ML prediction thing?

and there was me thinking the stats platform was the current project :)

Undo

github.com/Undo1/SmokeyFlow

@ArtOfCode I bounce around :P

ArtOfCode

01:25

ah

Thomas Ward

heh

Undo

Having an SSD in this machine has made ML development much more bearable.

In general, highly recommended.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in answer, repeating words in answer: Why does sound propagate in all directions from source? by Meatloaf on physics.stackexchange.com

tpu- by Undo

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in answer: Relevance of autoeventwireup in MVC by xxq on stackoverflow.com

ArtOfCode

01:42

Coding to a non-standard style guide is rather annoying. Half the time I spent writing that was spent getting camelCasing right.

Python should be snake_case -_-

Thomas Ward

heh

dorukayhan

@SmokeDetector was that answer "voluntarily removed by its author"?

ArtOfCode

@dorukayhan it's gone, whether voluntarily or not

ArtOfCode

02:02

...huh, and I've just realised that I can reuse the charcoal-se.org codebase for my next bit of coursework

Yvette Colomb

nice

what are you studying?

ArtOfCode

CS

Yvette Colomb

I'm studying a masters in IT (software design and dev) now

angussidney

Cool

Thomas Ward

cool!

i'm on the IT security side of things heh

and sysadmin :P

angussidney

02:10

@ArtOfCode you may want to chuck the main() call into a if "name" = "main" call thingy

Except with the underscores and stuff

ArtOfCode

...huh. Didn't license that, apparently. @angussidney are you happy for me to use your modifications for the website codebase in coursework, and to copy them under the MIT license to my uni-code repo, or would you rather I didn't?

@angussidney and yeah, I would, but they knocked marks off me last time for doing that

Yvette Colomb

nice I find security interesting

Thomas Ward

@ArtOfCode They're doing something wrong then heh

ArtOfCode

@ThomasWard they're doing a lot of things wrong with this style guide -_-

camel casing Python names, really

and 80 char lines, come on I know it's in PEP8 but it's also at least twenty years out of date

Thomas Ward

yes, they should learn to use The Standard PEP8 Guidelines

Actually PEP8 is not the hard-fixed limit

> For code maintained exclusively or primarily by a team that can reach agreement on this issue, it is okay to increase the nominal line length from 80 to 100 characters (effectively increasing the maximum length to 99 characters), provided that comments and docstrings are still wrapped at 72 characters.

i use 100 :P

ArtOfCode

02:18

I use "whatever works best, but try to not go too far over 120"

Yvette Colomb

I can see this is going to just get longer and longer

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in answer: load ajax guestbook into DIV by William drew on stackoverflow.com

SmokeDetector

02:46

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started in reverted mode at rev 90f2102 (ArtOfCode-: modify checks to gear towards English posts) (running on ArtOfCode/EC2)

Restart: API quota is 3638.

Restart: API quota is 3637.

ArtOfCode

carp that's not meant to happen

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started in reverted mode at rev 2b21795 (Undo1: +Alexander O'Mara to CHQ -- autopull) (running on ArtOfCode/EC2)

ArtOfCode

what happened

SmokeDetector

Restart: API quota is 3636.

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Shortened URL in answer: VLC player can not support m4v files by CC. on askubuntu.com (@ThomasWard)

Thomas Ward

@ArtOfCode what broke lol

!!/location

SmokeDetector

02:53

@ThomasWard teward/Aurora

ArtOfCode

@ThomasWard my copy, you're still good

Thomas Ward

ah

SmokeDetector

03:08

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: Can I develop a private action only accessible via my google home or linked account? by corefracture. on stackoverflow.com

Ashish Ahuja

03:37

!!/rev

SmokeDetector

@AshishAhuja be3e1bf (dorukayhan: wingding just obfuscated the word "bojiter" (#344) --autopull)

angussidney

@ArtOfCode Feel free to use anything I contribute to Charcoal for your coursework under CC0, but small attribution in the code somewhere would be appreciated :)

Thomas Ward

yay smokey is still up and stable :)

NobodyNada

How often is FDSC supposed to ask me for a code from Metasmoke?

Thomas Ward

let's see how it survives the evil spamwave that's going to be coming soon :P

@NobodyNada probably once, unless you're on the ancient broken versions

NobodyNada

03:40

no; I'm running 1.6.2, but I get asked for a code several times per day

probably 1 out of every 2 or 3 times I use FDSC

Ashish Ahuja

@NobodyNada could you go to MS, click under apps, and see if FDSC is authorized under "Your Authorized Apps", and also how many authorized tokens are there?

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword with email in body: Get 6,500 USD every day, for six months! See how it works by rotini on money.stackexchange.com

tpu- by Ashish Ahuja

NobodyNada

@AshishAhuja FDSC is listed, with 39 active tokens

I don't think there's supposed to be 39; it's probably because of all the times I've had to re-authorize it

Ashish Ahuja

for me it shows there is only 1 active token, and it seems to be working. I'm on FF right now. Which browser?

also, could you try flagging the last spam post and see if it works?

NobodyNada

Safari 10.0.1, Tampermonkey v4.2.5291

@AshishAhuja yeah, it worked that time

After I authorize it once, it seems like it works for a little bit and then breaks

Ashish Ahuja

03:48

never tried FDSC on Safari though.

NobodyNada

I'll try reinstalling FDSC and removing the tokens from Metasmoke

sd why

SmokeDetector

@NobodyNada [:34005226] Title - Health-themed spam (score 8). Keywords: body, health, valu, store

fp- by NobodyNada

Thomas Ward

sd - fp

boo

sd 2- fp

fine

@SmokeDetector fp-

god i'm tired

@SmokeDetector fp-

NobodyNada

sd 4remove

ah, it's too late

Thomas Ward

blue diamond power can work.

goes back to poking something on another page

Ashish Ahuja

03:57

@NobodyNada install kyll's lines US. It allows you to come to know if the message was posted 2 minutes (or 5 mins or 10 mins) before without clicking anything, but by just looking at the color of the line

NobodyNada

can I have a link please?

Thomas Ward

i was going to ask heh

Ashish Ahuja

github.com/Aralun/SO-chat-things/blob/master/message_timelines/…

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