tp feedback received

fp feedback received on [MS] How to Restrict Product Shipping Via Coding

fp feedback received on [MS] How do you execute a dynamically loaded JavaScript block?

fp feedback received on [MS] I cannot find the image in this post

@user12986714 note that it was rejected for exactly the same reason:

> No, let's not do this. This just introduces potentially bad data. I'd rather see the post records deleted than potentially add erroneous feedback

fp feedback received on [MS] Arduino to ventilate a room (with a CO2 sensor)

naa feedback received on [MS] Distribuir lista de <li> em duas colunas

fp feedback received on [MS] Distribuir lista de <li> em duas colunas

fp feedback received on [MS] Ошибка 11 javac при работе в Atom

@Daniil No, it's not. Right now, I don't trust that you won't move ahead with giving automated feedback. You've repeatedly said you're going to go ahead and do it, despite that we've, multiple times from multiple people, have said that we don't want automated feedback to be applied to MS. As you've also said, it's would be difficult for us to determine what is automated feedback and what is human feedback when either or both comes from your account.

Under those conditions, our only recourse is to not permit you to give feedback. The way that can be accomplished is to restrict your account to only the Flagger role. Thus, you now have only the Flagger role.

@NobodyNada So there comes the problem; if we can prove (with data) that human make more mistake than a machine, we can kinda argue that we would rather have posts deleted than have human review them because that 'generates bad data'

fp feedback received on [MS] I want to print triangle in stars pattern in PHP can anyone help, Just using two for loops only to solve it?

fp feedback received on [MS] How to change interface when connect to smtp with socat?

fp feedback received on [MS] Error while adding Python dictionary values in a Pandas dataframe - ValueError: DataFrame constructor not properly called

@user12986714 This is similar to how we accept that autoflags are accurate enough so that we can lower the requirements to only 2 manual reviews (flags) rather than 6.

fp feedback received on [MS] Is it normal for a man's testicles to get hard when he has an erection?

@u

tp feedback received on [MS] Camping tent with outer tent installed first

I would really like if this whole discussion of using 1 feedback to reduce the queue can be discussed at stackoverflow.com/c/charcoal/questions/645 . I would like to participate as I have some professional expertise but I can't follow these short chat messages interjected with drama.

@DanielWiddis Sounds good to me.

fp feedback received on [MS] Oops! An Error Occurred The server returned a "404 Not Found". Symfony

naa feedback received on [MS] Oops! An Error Occurred The server returned a "404 Not Found". Symfony

fp feedback received on [MS] Will I be killed for spilling semen on the floor?

fp feedback received on [MS] Shopify Script Errors Showing up In Google Analytics

fp feedback received on [MS] Who legally do I pay for a domain name renewal that I bought from a reseller and that I host somewhere else. Paying twice for 10+ years

fp feedback received on [MS] Is it normal for a man's testicles to get hard when he has an erection?

fp feedback received on [MS] Cancel price on offer when I apply a promocode

fp feedback received on [MS] Trying to remove the download button on Wordpress Native Video Player?

naa feedback received on [MS] Trying to remove the download button on Wordpress Native Video Player?

Unrelated to the topic, but missed in scroll: Can I get consensus thoughts on this post? It's a (wrong) answer to the question and redirects to a user-uploaded file download site with lots of ads to install mal/bloat/something-ware.

fp feedback received on [MS] Tool to Mount cloud drive as local disk on Windows

fp feedback received on [MS] Flutter using markers to retrieve location

fp feedback received on [MS] Save locust data to influxdb

fp feedback received on [MS] What will a foreigner need to legally work as a freelancer (web developer) in France?

fp feedback received on [MS] QEMU/KVM: Creating file sharing between Linux host and MacOS guest

tp feedback received on [MS] nil, solved, thanks

fp feedback received on [MS] render an image dynamically on Django html template with url instead of img src

fp feedback received on [MS] Medical concern (NSFW)

@DanielWiddis Good thing I applied a heavy spray of Dramaway(tm) to that post so absolutely nothing dramatic can happen there ;-)

@DanielWiddis I'm actually curious what the right choice is there, too. On the surface level, if the download does indeed contain what the question asker wanted, then I suppose it does answer the question. It doesn't look like the website is operated by the user, and while the ads are annoying they (probably?) don't promote a service made by the author.

@DanielWiddis Interestingly, it does not appear to be itself malware

Upon talking this out (rubber ducky ahoy) I'm leaning FP.

@Spevacus right, but does the user possibly get "credits" for downloads or something? I don't know how these sites work.

That's a fair point to raise.

naa feedback received on [MS] Pythagorean triplets of the form $a^2+(a+1)^2=c^2$ and the space between them

I'm obviously not about to run it, but 62 antivirus systems at least all agree it's not malware.

!!/report blender.stackexchange.com/questions/135366/… "Posted on Sept. 15"

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer (94): Does Blender offer network rendering on a LAN by Rabit on blender.SE

@RyanM it's certainly not the "latest" Java version :)

tpu- feedback received

@SmokeDetector Video mentions "Rabit from StateOfTheArt here" in the first few seconds. I think it's fair to say there's undisclosed affiliation.

naa feedback received on [MS] How to successfully emulate RPI on OSX?

fp feedback received on [MS] If I flash a custom recovery img, will I be able to boot the normal old system?

:55566991 That's fundamentally not true. If you weren't trusted, you would never have been given access. Until such time as you persisted in saying that you would do something we very clearly stated we didn't want to happen, I trusted that you would bring such ideas forward and accept the decisions made. Your statements earlier today make me not trust that right now.

fp feedback received on [MS] Erro ao tentar instalar o aplicativo em flutter no celular físico

@RyanM well I left tp, I'm open to convincing otherwise. But if split-feedback is a system design, I'll leave it split.

fp feedback received on [MS] Creating transparent PNG tiles (for TMS service) from transparent TIFF

fp feedback received on [MS] I want to replace all slider here

fp feedback received on [MS] Working principle of the AD8232 high pass filter

fp feedback received on [MS] 任意ユーザが投稿したzipファイルを安全にダウンロードするには？

fp feedback received on [MS] Ethereum blockchain webhook API

naa feedback received on [MS] Ethereum blockchain webhook API

fp feedback received on [MS] How to describe making sounds with your throat?

@DanielWiddis Yeah, my feedback would be a very hesitant fp on the basis of benefit of the doubt. But I'd be open to convincing otherwise, too.

fp feedback received on [MS] ¿Se puede obtener un nuevo link usando el anterior?

fp feedback received on [MS] We've been hacked and locked out of our Google account and gmail account. Our email address was michaelkleynschoorel5@gmail.com

fp feedback received on [MS] Unicode icons in <title>

fp feedback received on [MS] Setting up a WiFi-direct connection using pi3+arch linux arm and Android

naa feedback received on [MS] May I use Dropbox as hosting for website's static files?

fp feedback received on [MS] JavaScriptで一つのタイトルに対して複数のテキストを表示できるティッカーを作りたい

fp feedback received on [MS] Jokes with "une salope, une connasse, une emmerdeuse"

fp feedback received on [MS] If I build a custom theme, will it update?

!!/watch billnye\d++@yahoo\.com

> Would not be caught as a post, title or username.

tp feedback received on [MS] We've been hacked and locked out of our Google account and gmail account. Our email address was michaelkleynschoorel5@gmail.com

naa feedback received on [MS] Antivirus for Windows (to replace Avast Antivirus) meeting specific requirements

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev 309b3dd (Makyen: The metasmoke user needs to not be doing autoflagged FP, for now.) (running on Makyen/EC2-num02, Python 3.6.12)

@user12986714 You don't have blacklist manager privileges, but I've created PR#4851 for you.

CI on 1f058bc succeeded. Message contains 'autopull', pulling...

@RyanM my thought is there's probably some incremental benefit similar to "youtube views" where someone is motivated to redirect traffic to their download. They may get a cut of the malware browser ad views, for example.

PR#4851 ("user12986714: Watch billnye\d++@yahoo\.com") opened by SmokeDetector

fp feedback received on [MS] Is there a service or way to input a table of lat long and return an output of street addresses?

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev 1f058bc (ArtOfCode: Formatting --autopull) (running on teward/Osiris, Python 3.6.9)

fp feedback received on [MS] Emulsifier for water, been oil

fp feedback received on [MS] ¿Se puede obtener un nuevo link usando el anterior?

Restart: API quota is 7158.

fp feedback received on [MS] Choosing the right size frame

fp feedback received on [MS] Send with Serial port and Receive with SPI in Arduino

@metasmoke @user12986714 what makes you say this is tp?

fp feedback received on [MS] Z-Combine desaturates reflection Layer

fp feedback received on [MS] How should I care for my struggling Nepenthes Miranda?

fp feedback received on [MS] I can't edit the texture orientation

@RyanM my-husband-email style trolling I think

Let me dig some other posts out

SELECT id, is_tp, is_fp, is_naa FROM p_posts
WHERE body LIKE '%my husband%'
AND body LIKE '%email%'

@RyanM Run ^ in the SQL explorer should give some example

tp feedback received on [MS] How to mix multiple Enviroment texture (not in the compositing)

fp feedback received on [MS] change root location to /system/xbin android

@Daniil At this point, I'm not sure. At this point, you will need to convince the other admins, in addition to me.

This chatroom still works... or there's the email address

@Daniil Saying you definitely won't do it in any uncertain terms without explicit permission from the admins would probably be a great start

fp feedback received on [MS] SWC-500-Steam-Wallet-Codes-Denomination-Digital-Code-For-DOTA2-CSGO-etc

@metasmoke misclick

Was about to say! ;)

@user12986714 hmmmm, interesting. It'd be a new tactic for them if so, but I see your point, it'd be kind of weird to include the "hacker's email" otherwise. On the fence here.

@RyanM Hmm. 19/100 WOT rating

sdc approve 4850

[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklists reloaded at rev d945b36 (SmokeDetector: Merge pull request #4850 from Charcoal-SE/auto-blacklist-1600283544) (running on teward/Osiris)

fp feedback received on [MS] What is this article actually saying about artificial intelligence?

naa feedback received on [MS] Using PHP inside .html files not working as expected

@Daniil May I suggest that you give us the tests you want to run, so that we can verify their accuracy on historical data, and then work from there? Instead of sending automated feedback? I think part of the problem here is how vague you're being with what you want to be doing.

@Daniil You implied it heavily. You also still haven't said you won't do it.

Automated feedbacks kind of just don't make sense for our project, because the software we write kinda does it's own tp/fp evaluation before sending things to chat in the first place. If there's something automated that would help with that, it should live in the software.

@Daniil Yes, you did:

That, combined with all the other statements, wore down my trust that you won't do it behind our backs. It particularly didn't help that you mentioned, more than once, that you expected us not to be able to know if your bot was giving automated feedback, or not.

naa feedback received on [MS] Como deixar um site responsivo com ou sem bootstrap?

@DanielWiddis Could I get an admins thoughts on an old undeleted fp auto-review job? It would be an automated MS job that finds posts that a) have 1 feedback which is fp b) still be undeleted on-site and c) be older than 30 days?

tp feedback received on [MS] Did FASCISTS use disposable plates?

@thesecretmaster note: github.com/Charcoal-SE/metasmoke/pull/783

@thesecretmaster Starting at chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/11540?m=55566928#55566928

fp feedback received on [MS] Did FASCISTS use disposable plates?

tpu- feedback received on [MS] Did FASCISTS use disposable plates?

@NobodyNada Unless I misunderstood, it seems like my criteria are slightly stricter?

@thesecretmaster They are the same I think

> Automatically review all posts older than 1 month, have no true positive feedback and is not deleted

@thesecretmaster I think I added "unedited" in mine. (Also I'm not an admin, just a stats nerd.)

@thesecretmaster nevermind, your criteria includes "has 1 fp" while @user's doesn't

Ah ok, seems like that's been veto'd then.

@thesecretmaster I don't think so? It's under active discussion at that link.

@thesecretmaster Could be rolled into @DanielWiddis' suggestion, I think, of allowing old posts to complete review with 1 feedback

@metasmoke @Rubiksmoose that's a known troll

well yes

no disagreement there

but it's an option

@thesecretmaster Thank you for adding the "no feedback" checkbox on search. Would it be difficult to also have a "1 feedback" checkbox?

@Daniil Then there is generally a problem in communication I think, just like how I get blocked from MS

tp feedback received on [MS] How do i refute the idea that resource depletion causes recessions?

@Daniil Maybe step away and figure out what you want to do, and then come back with a fully-formed proposal?

@RyanM Yeah. But does that mean it gets tp? Flags yes, but I can't expect the system to actually learn anything from seemingly normal discourse right?

Do we tp those?

@Makyen Probably, but I won't be able to do it today so could you make an issue?

@Daniil those three messages? to you

@Rubiksmoose I really don't think that's a remotely serious question. They have another post that's not a bad one, but this definitely is trolling.

@Daniil I don't think we are talking about the same thing

> I just suggested something

@Daniil Chat is a horrible format to try to put together a coherent proposal with statistical validation. Perhaps as @thesecretmaster suggested, making a clear post with your proposal would go a long way to us understanding. Your chat messages are not making your intentions clear to us.

@RyanM It absolutely isn't. Not even under debate. But does it help the system to go tp? I'm struggling with that logic.

@thesecretmaster Sure. If it's within the scope of (mostly) copying what you did for 0 feedbacks, I could try adding it, if that would be easier.

@Daniil Ah, I meant a proposal for how you'd automate feedback, not for interpersonal stuff

@Rubiksmoose It helps future human reviewers, for one thing

@Rubiksmoose yep, TP it for ADC

It helps people who aren't here for this live discussion and might have input.

I'm open to it (you can see from chat that I started with tp already) but I switched

@thesecretmaster If this kind of things keeps popping up, we may just want to give core users the ability to do raw sql search on p_posts...

@NobodyNada Good point.

@ArtOfCode Can do.

@user12986714 the SQL exploder lets you do that already

@Makyen I think I considered it at the time and it added a smidge of additional SQL I didn't want to write. It should be very similar, just a count(*) = 1 rather than a is null

@Rubiksmoose It also helps in case we are considering watches of terms like "fascism" or whatever

@ArtOfCode Not with the fancy UI

@user12986714 huh?

I want a list of titles with feedbacks listed for each

@NobodyNada ah yes, that makes sense.

And clickable links

@Rubiksmoose Even ignoring the fact that that person is banned on multiple sites and is often evading that ban (not sure if they are here), I think we generally consider trolling tp (and actually that person is why that keyword is blacklisted)

And spammer username

@user12986714 yeah, you can do that

@ArtOfCode Technically, but it requires effort

It would if you could do it any other way as well...

If I want all the features of the search UI, that will be significant effort

Much more than just the main select clause

So what are you thinking of?

@RyanM I'm open to correction on this, but generally I vote based on the post itself and not on whoever made it or what the circumstances are. Obviously this is one exception, but am I wrong to take that general approach? (I'm fully aware of this troll and its history and have been very active in destroying them for quite a while FWIW)

@Daniil you have also never said you wouldn't. Making a clear statement that you won't would be very helpful. It has been suggested already. You do not seem to think that's good advice.

@Rubiksmoose Generally, yes, that's a good approach - known trolls are an exception - ADC, asadefa, etc.

@ArtOfCode Generally, have a search page with a 'sql' input box, and let user select post ids; after that, present those posts the same way as search results (which have fancy UI like spammer name, post creation date and existing feedbacks)

@user12986714 so what would you put in this theoretical "sql input box"?

as in, what's the literal string you would enter?

@Daniil I think it's been explained a couple times already how what you've been saying reallllllly reads like you intended to do a thing that you were explicitly asked, multiple times, not to do. That thing is exceptionally controversial and pretty much goes against the philosophy of how feedback works.

I think that it makes plenty of sense why the admins revoked your access and do not want to restore it. In this project, access ~= trust, and by implying that you'll do something that you've been asked not to do, even after being corrected multiple times, you've lost that trust.

@ArtOfCode Wouldn't any trolling be TP? Like if I were to post trolling on SE it'd still be TP despite the fact that I'm not a known troll.

@ArtOfCode SELECT id FROM p_posts WHERE body LIKE '%string1%' AND body LIKE '%string2%' AND feedback_count = 1 kind of things

@RyanM prooobably, but trolling from not-known-trolls can be harder to detect

@RyanM I've definitely fped non-serious posts because they weren't spam in the past.

Anyways I have tped the troll.

TPing known trolls as well as rising trolls helps to create a history of their trolling that's easy to link to for mods as well, I think.

@user12986714 so at that point... why not just use the exploder? Get it to spit out basic information and a list of links, and click on the ones you want further details on.

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in answer, mostly non-latin answer, mostly punctuation marks in answer (172): Разряд прилагательных ✏️ by ZaCk - Brawl stars on rus.SE

Allowing users to enter raw SQL is asking for SQLi trouble.

@SmokeDetector Google Translate says "spam___"

Probably someone edited a spam post

From my perspective, I've fped good posts from ADC on sites he's not banned on yet. Once he's banned there, anything he posts is tp because it's ban evasion. Am I doing it right?

@ArtOfCode I don't think it is for blazer (so if sql search is restricted to core then it is no problem)

> If I want all the features of the search UI, that will be significant effort

Blazer queries have read only access, so blazer is OK.

@RyanM tl;dr IIRC he is network banned

@user12986714 it's not, no, but blazer runs differently to the rest of the application - it's not as easy to perform a query in the same way that Blazer does from anywhere else in the application.

@Rubiksmoose oh nice, yay, that makes life easier. is it possible to confirm that?

@ArtOfCode Well, can we just pipe blazer result to find_all ?

@RyanM I can consult the scriptures and check

;-)

@user12986714 same again - not easy, because you can't execute a Blazer-type query from anywhere else where you could do that

:-/

@Daniil The thing is, that's not how trust works. You lost it when you continued to imply that you might do the thing even after repeatedly being asked not to. At that point, trust was broken and your access was removed. Getting that trust back takes more than just asking for it to be restored. It takes time and effort to repair.

@Daniil okay, I didn't want to make a big thing of this, but you're going to keep on about it if nobody says anything. Your access has been revoked, and will stay that way until your behaviour in this chatroom improves. That's all I'm going to say on that.

@SmokeDetector v Translates to "spam...." Looks like it was edited (and now deleted) but I'm unsure what the original revision was.

@Daniil sure, email that request to smokey@ and I'll get to it

Where even is the gdpr page?

somewhere?

@thesecretmaster metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/privacy

Ha, made it easy, /privacy

@ArtOfCode Ah, how could I have forgotten

Thomas should probably be on that page

@RyanM Might be trickier to confirm then I remember. Go with previous info for now.

I'm not sure if this has been stated and I haven't read the backscroll... but there's a reason Charcoal caps auto flags at four per post (for the most part) - it's an intentional choice. While y'all have great data and y'all know when something is spam... people still want real people looking at it.

@Rubiksmoose Thanks for checking, let me know if you find out (or update the known-trolls post). I've been trying to keep it updated with where he's banned but it's hard to keep track and relies on me getting feedback on custom flags.

@Daniil I thought you were in the UK, which is not in the EU, so does GDPR apply?

@RyanM I feel you and will do.

@Makyen unfortunately yes, until the end of the transition period

@Catija As I understand it, this isn't about any changes to autoflags, just changes to how feedback on reported posts works. The proposal that was made was to automate feedback on posts, rather than autoflags.

@thesecretmaster similar principle, though - still want human eyes

Yeah, but less consequential than autoflagging changes

aye

@Daniil smokey@charcoal-se.org, as per /privacy

@thesecretmaster One compromise that I'd support would be to deprioritize old reviews, rather than getting rid of them altogether

@Daniil Full email on this site. metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/privacy

@RyanM It's trickier than that unfortunately. I don't think that one is, but there are... other connections.

Ah, got it. I think I understand...at least partly.

@NobodyNada I'm hoping to get some time to work on review soon, and I might throw something like that in - random ordering with a small time-weighted component.

@Daniil Does my previous message clarify the problem? As I understand it, it's a trust issue, as I mentioned before.