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1:00 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted user (69): How do you keep track of code changes in a shared codebase? by Ananya Roy on stackoverflow.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially problematic ns configuration in answer, username similar to website in answer (54): .htaccess & Wordpress: Exclude folder from RewriteRule by Bible Arena on stackoverflow.com

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Rand al'Thor

!!/report english.stackexchange.com/a/485763/87724

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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer (94): "As Applicable" Concluding a Sentence by user336487 on english.SE

Rand al'Thor

!!/report english.stackexchange.com/a/485762/87724

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fp feedback received on .htaccess & Wordpress: Exclude folder from RewriteRule [MS]

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted user (69): "As Applicable" Concluding a Sentence by user336487 on english.SE

Rand al'Thor

@SmokeDetector k

SmokeDetector

1:12 PM

tp feedback received on "As Applicable" Concluding a Sentence [MS]

Rand al'Thor

@SmokeDetector k

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tp feedback received

Suraj Rao

!!/scan stackoverflow.com/a/54723248/4826457

SmokeDetector

@SurajRao Post 1: This does not look like spam

Suraj Rao

user profile is linked to website

Rand al'Thor

1:16 PM

@SmokeDetector why

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@Randal'Thor Potentially bad asn for hostname in body - idioms.thefreedictionary.com address 45.35.33.114 in ASN 40676

Rand al'Thor

Dunno what that means, but if TFD is getting caught there's going to be a lot of FPs from ELU and ELL.

@SmokeDetector f

Paul White

2 days ago, by Makyen

@PaulWhite An ASN is a number that represents a routing group on the internet. It effectively indicates that IP addresses with that ASN have a logical association. ASNs are usually allocated in blocks on a regional level, and then to individual ISPs. Effectively, it, more-or-less, identifies an ISP. ASN numbers are watched due to a significant number of TP posts originating from IP addresses associated with the ASN.

Rand al'Thor

That's all Greek to me :-)

And Smokey doesn't have mod access to see IPs, which led me to guess it's the link that's problematic.

Suraj Rao

@SmokeDetector apparently there were multiple posts.. stackoverflow.com/a/54723230/4826457

Paul White

1:19 PM

@Randal'Thor Yeah I believe it's based on public host information. Pretty weak signal anyway AFAIK

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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in answer (1): What would be best way to re-melt Mars' mantle and core to revive its magnetosphere ✏️ by Politis_X on worldbuilding.SE

fp- feedback received

Rand al'Thor

@SmokeDetector f

A two-year-old post?!

@SmokeDetector why

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@Randal'Thor Potentially bad keyword in answer - Position 467-476: holocaust, Positions 3495-3501, 4356-4362, 7106-7112: Jovian

Rand al'Thor

Jovian is bad?

Zoe

@Randal'Thor edits and new answers make it show up in the feed, and reports anything that matches, regardless of age

SmokeDetector

1:21 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive body detected, potentially bad keyword in body, toxic body detected (111): Muslim Girl Commit sins by Dalal Fareh on islam.SE

Rand al'Thor

scifi.stackexchange.com/search?q=jovian

Zoe

!!/what jovian

SmokeDetector

@Zoe Matched by jovian on line 3865 of watched_keywords.txt

Rand al'Thor

@Zoe Yeah, I know. Just seems odd.

I wonder if it'd be worth making it check the last activity time of the specific post rather than the whole thread?

Zoe

@Randal'Thor blame testosterone

Erik the Outgolfer

1:23 PM

ninja

Rand al'Thor

@Zoe How did you know I'm male? :-P

Zoe

lol

Erik the Outgolfer

uh... actually...

Zoe

Magic, obviously!

@EriktheOutgolfer so?

You'd be surprised how undescriptive names actually are xd

Rand al'Thor

@EriktheOutgolfer wth

My namesake is male (as am I). Never knew it could be a female name.

Erik the Outgolfer

1:29 PM

tbf, that website doesn't work if you don't give it your actual first name (this is the Internet, you never know which Rand al'Thor is real and which one is not :P)

Zoe

@EriktheOutgolfer Are you assuming one is fake?!

:p

Rand al'Thor

It's definitely that one.

This one is real.

Zoe

I'm pretty sure this one isn't real.

Erik the Outgolfer

you won't fool us

Zoe

Ssssh!!!!!

Erik the Outgolfer

1:38 PM

@Randal'Thor the InvisiblePanda Rand al'Thor... hm... :P

Rand al'Thor

@EriktheOutgolfer See?!

How many real invisible pandas have you seen?

Zoe

@Randal'Thor I've seen 42. They're really nice too :D

Erik the Outgolfer

> Zoe: The wolf that sees the invisible.

Rand al'Thor

@Zoe How much did you have to drink before seeing them? :-P

Erik the Outgolfer

meh, I guess just a gallon or two, nothing too much

Rand al'Thor

1:41 PM

What a gallin' suggestion.

Zoe

@Randal'Thor I don't drink, I just hook up my brain to a machine that lets me see the frequencies the light is hiding in. Izi pizi :p

@EriktheOutgolfer well, t-that may or may not be a part BUT IT DOESN'T AFFECT MUCH!!

Erik the Outgolfer

maybe you call that machine "The Hypnotizer" or "The Hallucinator"? just asking, nothing weird

Rand al'Thor

Your brain? Wouldn't it be easier just to hook up some special glasses?

And I don't mean the glasses you use to drink.

Zoe

@EriktheOutgolfer I'm pretty sure the vendor called it "The Broken Power Supply"

@Randal'Thor nah, those mess with lenses >~<

Rand al'Thor

Len says what?

Zoe

1:45 PM

@Randal'Thor len says your array is empty.

Besides, it's Smokey and MS' fault... They brought enough for everyone

Rand al'Thor

@Zoe Better fill it up then.

Where did you put that alcohol?

Erik the Outgolfer

@Zoe "his array"? we may or may not have a case of burglary here...

Zoe

@Randal'Thor Oh, I put some behind Smokey's server. Don't tell Undo though

Rand al'Thor

So that's why metasmoke was drunk?

Don't worry, I'm sure we can Undo the damage.

Zoe

@EriktheOutgolfer relax, it's just a satellite array :p

Rand al'Thor

1:49 PM

Who's sat light?

Zoe

nah, it's just when light is in the end of MS' tunnel.

Erik the Outgolfer

the tunnel that not everyone has managed to make it out of...

Zoe

Eh, we did warn MS though... But no, it took a right turn instead of going straight forward in the intersection...

Erik the Outgolfer

I wonder where it's been lost...

Zoe

We don't know. These issues.... they're off the chart!

Rand al'Thor

2:03 PM

Tunnel?

in The Reading Room, Mar 4 '18 at 20:44, by Rand al'Thor

"The Tunnel" by Durrenmatt - a short story by an author recommended to me in another chatroom. Just ... wow. That's going to give me dreams.

Zoe

2:16 PM

@Randal'Thor Y'know, "light at the end of the tunnel"

Suraj Rao

@Zoe you mean youtube.com/watch?v=KTP_RdWLs4A?

Zoe

Why did it have to be metallica?? >~<

send rick instead

Suraj Rao

rick rolling is 2009 not 2019

Zoe

light at the end of the tunnel

Noun: light at the end of the tunnel (uncountable)

(idiomatic) A better situation after long hardship.
1999, Abraham J Twerski, It's Not As Tough As You Think: How to Smooth Out Life's Bumps
If there is no light at the end of the tunnel, chronic pain can render a person dysfunctional. In desperation, people often turn to potent pain-killing medication for relief.
2008, CIO magazine (volume 21, number 7, 15 January 2008)
But by fall 2005, there was light at the end of the tunnel. The team could see the new business processes and financial data governance mechanisms actually being used by Nationwide employees.

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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Shortened url in body (39): How to change text in Password protected Page using add_filter function by Robert Swanson on wordpress.SE

Rand al'Thor

2:31 PM

@SmokeDetector f

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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Repeating characters in body (70): (ПИТОН) как сделать чтобы программа загадала рандомное количество букв чтобы они не повторялись в питоне by Мистер Круть on ru.stackoverflow.com

Rand al'Thor

@SmokeDetector f

(is there a response for questions analogous to "n" for NAA answers?)

(i.e. "not spam, but should probably be closed")

Zoe

no, that's just f

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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Url in title, bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, blacklisted website in title, body starts with title and ends in url, +8 more (989): www.goodforfitness.com/k2-sl im-k eto/ by mitradichapir on 3dprinting.SE

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in body (1): FBS Forex is This Market is ok for Trading ? goo.gl/Kt6Jvr by Daudul Qa on superuser.com

tpu- feedback received

tpu- feedback received on http://www.goodforfitness.com/k2-sl im-k eto/ [MS]

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Repeating characters in title (64): Meaning of "mov qword ptr [rsp+20h],0FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFEh" by Goutham on stackoverflow.com

Ramhound

2:52 PM

Spam: superuser.com/questions/1406483/…

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fp- feedback received

Zoe

@Ramhound already reported.

Rand al'Thor

@SmokeDetector k

@SmokeDetector f

Zoe

!!/test fbs.com

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> Would not be caught as a post, title or username.

Zoe

2:54 PM

!!/watch fbs\.com

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[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklists reloaded at rev 028b43a (SmokeDetector: Auto watch of fbs\.com by Zoe) (running on teward/Lunar Eclipse)

Zoe

!!/watch goo\.gl/Kt6Jvr

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[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklists reloaded at rev f96f498 (SmokeDetector: Auto watch of goo\.gl/Kt6Jvr by Zoe) (running on teward/Lunar Eclipse)

Zoe

@SmokeDetector the shortener target

Rand al'Thor

@Zoe I thought it already catches goo.gl links as suspicious?

@SmokeDetector why

SmokeDetector

2:59 PM

@Randal'Thor Potentially bad keyword in body - Positions 56-73, 94-111: digital marketing

Rand al'Thor

Ah.

Zoe

!!/test goo.gl

SmokeDetector

> Would not be caught as a post, title or username.

Zoe

@Randal'Thor apparently not

It has a lot of legitimate uses too though

Rand al'Thor

@SmokeDetector why

SmokeDetector

3:00 PM

@Randal'Thor Shortened url in body - Positions 423-433, 472-482: ://goo.gl/

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially problematic ns configuration in title (1): Hosting for website (www.baykee.com.pk) was suspended. MYSQL High Usage is the problem by Zeeshan Ch on stackoverflow.com

Rand al'Thor

That's odd.

Zoe

Or it just checks bodies and not titles ^^"

SmokeDetector

fp- feedback received

Rand al'Thor

@SmokeDetector f

Zoe

@SmokeDetector off-topic

Rand al'Thor

3:00 PM

@Zoe Sounds buggy.

Zoe

What do you expect from [dev-on-prod]?

Ferrybig

@Zoe It should catch any shortened links under the "Shortened url in" reason

Zoe

Seems to exclude the title though

Ramhound

@Zoe - You guys are fast!

Zoe

Blame Smokey :p

SmokeDetector

3:22 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially problematic ns configuration in body (1): dynamic input til howler via ajax - input not working by Maggern on stackoverflow.com

Rand al'Thor

@SmokeDetector f

iBug

3:36 PM

-10

Q: Too much power in too small minds?

Why am i again banned from chat? Even if for just a week. I'm one of the good guys, from outskirts helping this operation go while trying to foster cheer across forgotten barriers. I curtailed my language long ago. Please reinstate me and delete this post.

A real CHQ chatter could identify the user from the avatar and the first sentence :)

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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in body (64): I need java project from Scratch by siddhant sahani on stackoverflow.com

Rand al'Thor

@SmokeDetector f

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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially problematic ns configuration in body (1): Reading an external JSON file into a dynamic HTML table ✏️ by Doe J. on stackoverflow.com

Zoe

@iBug Was that posted today?

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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially problematic ns configuration in answer (1): Reading an external JSON file into a dynamic HTML table by ANAU designs on stackoverflow.com

Zoe

3:45 PM

Because they posted another one a couple days ago

Rand al'Thor

@SmokeDetector f

@Zoe Yes.

Zoe

oof

Rand al'Thor

Honestly I wish you guys would have more tolerance for humn. He means no harm; he's just ... enigmatic.

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[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev f96f498 (SmokeDetector: Auto watch of goo\.gl/Kt6Jvr by Zoe) (running on teward/Lunar Eclipse, Python 3.6.7)

Restart: API quota is 15332.

Rand al'Thor

I don't know why he comes here now and then, but I can't see how an occasional little bit of esoteric rambling is really harmful either.

Zoe

3:50 PM

/shrug

Erik the Outgolfer

more like he often clutters the room with his rambling

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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad asn for hostname in body (1): Why does bxSlider stop working after a click event? by Matthew Meaklim on stackoverflow.com

iBug

we could be more tolerant - but why? where's the reason we should be more tolerant...

like we could just continue as if we'd never seen them, and silently move the incomprehensibility to another room (trash) in the wake of the aftermath

Rand al'Thor

@iBug Surely the default position is not to ban someone, rather than defaulting to banning.

Erik the Outgolfer

but we've warned him countless times

Rand al'Thor

3:54 PM

I mean, that seems like a really bad argument.

Zoe

^

Rand al'Thor

"userX is harmless, you could be more tolerant"
"yes, we could, but why should we"

iBug

but more than sure, he's been politely told, impatiently told, and seriously warned for, say I can count, 7+ times, for dumping streams of consciousness here, once every few weeks

Rand al'Thor

And only kickmuted on two of those occasions.

If someone is not welcome in a particular room, but hasn't posted anything offensive, that seems to be a case for the kickmute tool.

iBug

the argument that "userX is harmless" isn't quite true, IMO, as his incomprehensible thoughts are in fact disruptive, to some extents. not that harmless - only harmless to an extent that it doesn't emit flame, but still being actively counterproductive

@Randal'Thor they left on their own shortly after being warned in the rest of the occasions, making kickmuting not really necessary

Zoe

3:59 PM

How do you define "disruptive"?

iBug

they would have been Q-banned already had those text been posted as questions on Stack Overflow, downvoted, closed and deleted

@Zoe good question. Assume there's a content policy similar to that on SO here. anything that doesn't belong shouldn't stay

Rand al'Thor

@iBug There's another bad argument. Most of what everyone says in chat would be flagged and closed on any main site as "unclear what you're asking" or "not an answer".

@iBug Have fun clearing up tens of thousands of messages of idle chatter then.

Zoe

@iBug Tbf, there was a recently conversation (rough starting point) that technically had nothing to do with spam-fighting, moderation, or any of the projects (directly anyways). Does that count as disruptive?

iBug

guess I'm not conscious enough now to figure out some convincing arguments

should like, chit-chatting isn't directly or inherently disruptive, but it could be when no one else understands, or something so-so

chat is just chat, it's as casual as it inherently is, but when many people don't think you're being constructive - then it's bad - the majority decides

Zoe

meh, I see a bunch of metaphors, but beyond that there's nothing that isn't too impossible to understand

iBug

4:09 PM

as said, in the first few cases, humn's been politely asked "we do X, do you have something related to X to talk about? if not then this isn't the right place"

Zoe

So if you ask about stuff in the wrong room enough times you get banned? That is a horrible policy

Kick-muting would be a lot better

iBug

I don't know what happened exactly, but IMO the appropriate solution would be to just keep them out of this room, if that wasn't the exact thing happened

you know, I only logged in after seeing that big meta post, and didn't realize it's specific to CHQ before reading the comments

Rand al'Thor

@iBug Yeah, that would be a good solution. Unfortunately there's no way to ban someone from a specific room ... apart from, as mentioned, kick-mutes, which are very temporary.

Zoe

@Randal'Thor gallery

Rand al'Thor

Yeah, but that would keep out everyone who doesn't have explicit write access.

iBug

4:15 PM

@Zoe we have gallery, but only when trolls attack us, not one

Zoe

aside mods. But AFAIK, all the regulars have explicit access. It's frequently used if a troll enters chat.

sniped xd

@iBug It's still an option

iBug

@Zoe we have gallery, but only when trolls (multiple users) spam us with garbage, not one user

@Zoe IMO it's an emergency option, I myself wouldn't activate that weapon unless it's real emergency

Zoe

True

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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in body, repeating words in body (138): sadasd dthnnpsadasd dthnnp sadasd dthnnpsadasd dthnnpsadasd dthnnp ✏️ by Karl Swansson on chemistry.SE

tp- feedback received

iBug

@SmokeDetector v

just said, I'm sorta unclear now, so if you want some convincing arguments, maybe ask Art or tripleee or Mithrandir - whoever with more experience in moderation and administration could make better arguments than I can do now

Rand al'Thor

4:24 PM

@iBug Mith knows humn as I do :-)

@SmokeDetector v

iBug

a bad, yet valid argument could be as short as "we define what's welcome here", and a longer version could possibly be a definition of "what's welcome here" - surely you don't want that gory thing, cuz chat is meant to be casual

Rand al'Thor

Wait, v counts as tp- on metasmoke?

iBug

@Randal'Thor yes, tp without blacklisting user

Erik the Outgolfer

v = vandalism

iBug

well, I found I was basically trying to rephrase or forward what David has already answered

Rand al'Thor

4:26 PM

Huh. Seems odd since in most cases it's actually a perfectly valid post, but you guys know your business better than I.

@EriktheOutgolfer I know.

iBug

@Randal'Thor short principle - "tp" = we would like to block it systematically, vandalism is one of which.

Rand al'Thor

I guess I always thought "tp" = "stick a red flag on it".

Erik the Outgolfer

nah

Zoe

@iBug yeah, but here != chat in general

@Randal'Thor it can be

repeated vandalism usually results in a mod flag

Rand al'Thor

Sure, but not a red flag on the post.

Glorfindel

4:32 PM

actually, it's the rollbacks that cause the flag

iBug

@Randal'Thor red flag ⊆ system-level block

@Zoe and that's what complicates things

Rand al'Thor

@iBug ?

Zoe

uh

Rand al'Thor

You don't want red flags on vandalised posts. They're usually valid posts and need rollbacks, not deletion.

Zoe

subset?

@Randal'Thor don't mod flags count as red flags?

Rand al'Thor

4:34 PM

I'm a mathematician, I know the subset symbol :-) Just not sure what Ibug means by it here.

iBug

@Randal'Thor you surely "want a system-level block" on something you red-flag, but what you red-flag isn't all that you want to block systematically

Zoe

@Randal'Thor I didn't ^^"

Rand al'Thor

@Zoe By "red flag" I mean spam or R/A flag. Dunno if you use different lingo in Charcoal.

iBug

I mean spam and R/A too, mod flags don't look red

Zoe

@Randal'Thor meh, could've sworn they counted xd I'll check

and there's the answer ^^"

Rand al'Thor

4:36 PM

@iBug Gotcha.

Zoe

There's still a flag at least

Rand al'Thor

@Zoe Red flags (spam and R/A) come with automatic repercussions for both the post and the account if helpful. Mod flags don't.

I'd expect a Charcoalier to know that :-P

Zoe

@Randal'Thor yeahhhhh but it's Saturday and my brain is half-way dug into Python and text that actually happens to be red XD

Rand al'Thor

Zoe

Purple?

iBug

4:38 PM

@Randal'Thor red flags only bring automatic penalty if the post is nuked by 'em, not by manually validating by mods

Rand al'Thor

@iBug If the post is deleted while red flags are still pending on it (which is one way of manually validating them), then IIRC the contents will be hidden behind a link to the revision history even for 10k+ users.

iBug

there's only one similarity between flag-nuking and mod-validating - the post shows a notice for 10k+ non-mods

bertieb

There was a meta post about that recently

Rand al'Thor

Plus, red flags come with automatic downvotes, which remain if the flag is marked helpful by mods.

iBug

@Randal'Thor forgot :)

6

Q: What are the differences between spam-flag-nuking and moderator manually validating spam flags?

What are the differences when a post is deleted by Community ♦ for having 6 spam flags from regular users or one spam flag from a ♦ moderator (and consequently, locked by the Community user) deleted by methods other than red-flag-nuking (by ♦, 20k+ users or by Community ♦ through user deletion/...

support flags spam

SmokeDetector

4:46 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in answer, potentially bad keyword in answer (81): Is there a way to get a list of all declared queues in rabbitmq? by johan on stackoverflow.com

tpu- feedback received

Rand al'Thor

@SmokeDetector k

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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in body (64): How to have a choose image button with a preview of last taken image by M. Dierkes on stackoverflow.com

Rand al'Thor

@SmokeDetector f

Makyen

@bertieb Yes, it's been reported. There's a GitHub issue: Reason pages aren't showing the correct number of results.

bertieb

5:01 PM

@Makyen Ah, thanks!

That cheeky redis

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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad asn for hostname in body (1): How to install Aptana Studio 3 in Ubuntu 14.04? with Launcher shortcuts and Dash search? ✏️ by Ativerc on askubuntu.com

Rand al'Thor

@SmokeDetector f

I won't even ask what "Potentially bad asn for hostname in body" means, because I probably wouldn't understand the answer :-P

Erik the Outgolfer

Autonomous System Number ;-)

oh wait, you didn't ask... meh

bertieb

It does seem a bit FP prone; I was wanting to check the numbers but ran into the issue mentioned above

Dunno if there's a way (or a desire) to whitelist certain sites that are tripping the check which have troublesome ASN but are otherwise

#notspam (eg thefreedictionary on ELL & ELU)

(bonus newline for y'all there, thanks keyboard)

Would be useful to have the numbers tho

Haven't felt it to be a huge issue; but saw a few obvious FPs today; wondered if we could obviate at least the obvious ones

Makyen

@bertieb There's currently no way, but there's certainly a desire. Doing so would result in considerably fewer FP. It'd be good to have, even as a static list in findspam.py.

Rand al'Thor

5:11 PM

@bertieb Hashtag next to the enter key? ;-)

in The Reading Room, Feb 24 '18 at 19:56, by Rand al'Thor

ve said before, the enter key should be a big red button quite apart from all the other keys.

bertieb

@Makyen A whitelist seems like it would be (naive statement ahead) straightforward to implement

@Randal'Thor Ha :P

Makyen

@bertieb Yeah, I'd think so too. However, I don't know Python, so I haven't done so. However, I have been intending to learn...

bertieb

@Makyen Might be possible to reuse/share code with the user whitelist / ignorelist; I'd need to have a look

Erik the Outgolfer

actually...

bertieb

I know enough python to get by; but I have exams starting Tues otherwise I'd dive in :P

Makyen

5:15 PM

@bertieb no. Just make it a static list in findspam.py. It's not something that needs to by dynamic.

Erik the Outgolfer

why not just extend the blacklisting code to also support whitelists (in separate files)

Zoe

@Randal'Thor and it needs to flash, and have "Are you sure?" written on it ;)

bertieb

@Makyen I guess so; just thinking ahead to the Smokey commands for folks to add/remove from the wl ;)

Rand al'Thor

@Zoe Surely there's an XKCD about this ... ?

Zoe

No clue

Somewhat related, there's good 'ol 386:

Makyen

5:18 PM

@bertieb Currently, there are only a few that need to be on the list. I really don't see a need to have it be something that is added/removed using SD commands. We can just make changes by submitting GitHub PRs. If it becomes something that needs, is desired to be dynamic, then yes, we can add SD commands. But, just a static list would solve 95–99% of the problem.

bertieb

@Makyen Fair point, that would certainly do in the first instance

Makyen

I agree that a full implementation of whitelisting would be beneficial, but then we're talking about affecting lots of different detection reasons. There are also times when we want different whitelists for different detections, and to not share the list, or at least not share some entries between detections. A full implementation gets complex.

bertieb

Aye, any whitelisting needs a bit of careful thought about how it's done

Would be quite easy to tread on other parts of the system

But a limited whitelist for the ASNs would be handy in the short term

Makyen

Yes. While there are possibilities that could be beneficial for a more generalized implementation, what we're looking at, at the moment, is something that's really limited and easy to implement, and that gets us a good amount of benefit for a small amount of work. Let's not expand it into a large project, at least not right now.

bertieb

Heh

> WHITELISTED_WEBSITES_REGEX = ...

Seems to be used for the "link at end" and "bad keyword with a link" rules

Question would be whether to reuse that or create a separate list for the ASN stuff (thinking the latter)

Makyen

5:36 PM

@bertieb And even that implementation is bad, as it just searches for those in a regex that is delimited by \b, which means that it will match a considerable number of spoof sites.

bertieb

My regex-fu is not as strong as it should be

Makyen

Even worse is that it's doing that detection on the entire URL, so the detection includes the URL path, which makes it even more prone to matching spoofs, or even something that's not really putting any effort into trying to spoof the domain, but just happens to have one of those pieces of text in the URL path.

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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Url in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, bad pattern in url body, blacklisted website in body, +8 more (886): hbmbzone.com/keto-viante-reviews/ by nachlqwzz on graphicdesign.SE

tpu- feedback received

Rand al'Thor

5:59 PM

@SmokeDetector k

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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in answer (1): What is inspiration? by penislover14 on rpg.SE

tpu- feedback received

Rand al'Thor

6:24 PM

@SmokeDetector k

SmokeDetector

6:44 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in answer (1): Generating a2l file from elf using canape by user3658273 on stackoverflow.com

Rand al'Thor

@SmokeDetector f

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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in answer (85): How to post two values in an option field? by NG12 on stackoverflow.com

Rand al'Thor

@SmokeDetector k

Makyen

!!/watch- houngbrowne(?:@gmail\.com)?

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklists reloaded at rev b162a72 (SmokeDetector: Auto watch of houngbrowne(?:@gmail\.com)? by Makyen) (running on teward/Lunar Eclipse)

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in body (1): Particle movement attached to emitter object rotation ✏️ by bruno cb on blender.SE

fp- feedback received

Rand al'Thor

6:55 PM

@SmokeDetector f

@SmokeDetector why

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@Randal'Thor Potentially bad keyword in body - Position 0-12: <p><a href="

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body (97): I try to use react-country-region-selector but I have an error by Sevban Kocael on stackoverflow.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in body (1): How can I check if two outlets are connected to the same electrical circuit? ✏️ by Sturtevant Paul on electronics.SE (@TetsuyaYamamoto)

Rand al'Thor

@SmokeDetector f

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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in body (1): Charge a 12V marine/boat battery with AC ✏️ by Hadock on electronics.SE (@TetsuyaYamamoto)

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in answer, luncheon meat detected, no whitespace in answer (225): How to enable support for the POPCNT instruction / intrinsic on my computer? by user11072473 on stackoverflow.com

Rand al'Thor

7:12 PM

@SmokeDetector f

@SmokeDetector k

luncheon meat?!

ArtOfCode

7:23 PM

yup

kinda like spam, but not as uniformly disgusting

has slightly more taste to it

@Rand I see you've found the rabbit hole of nuanced differences between TP and red-flaggable... allow me to link this: charcoal-se.org/smokey/Feedback-Guidance

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in answer (1): How can I securely generate a random number in my smart contract? by Gabriel Vasile on ethereum.SE

Rand al'Thor

@ArtOfCode TL;DR :-P

ArtOfCode

@Randal'Thor That is the TL;DR :P

well, it is if you want the explanations

Rand al'Thor

7:39 PM

I'm in here rarely enough that I don't need to read all the details for Smokey.

ArtOfCode

otherwise, "generally think system-level block, self-promotion per SE policy, vandalism tp-, garbage k, foreign language n unless spam in which case k, plagiarism k but don't report it, repairable offensive posts f, and n is for things you'd flag NAA"

Rand al'Thor

I know k, f, n, v - anything else I can ask. Or just use my judgement ;-) ModStyle

@ArtOfCode Oh, plagiarism k? TIL.

ArtOfCode

@Randal'Thor Aye, would want a system block on it if we could (so k), but we're not aiming to catch it, so no !!/reports for it

Rand al'Thor

Doesn't the "hypothetical system-level block" thing somewhat depend on the reason for Smokey catching a post though?

ArtOfCode

kinda does kinda doesn't

Rand al'Thor

7:41 PM

E.g. if it was caught because of a "fucking" meaning "very" that's easy to edit out, but it needs deletion for plagiarism ...

SmokeDetector

fp- feedback received

ArtOfCode

The reason can help inform your decision by telling you where to look, but ultimately if we'd want to block the post then it's probably TP

@Randal'Thor feedback k and drop a comment to explain that

Rand al'Thor

But if it's caught for the 'wrong' reason, then that means Smokey's algorithm actually didn't work in that case.

@ArtOfCode Oh sure. I mean from the point of view of you evaluating how Smokey is detecting stuff and how good it is.

ArtOfCode

@Randal'Thor Could be important if we were trying to train machine learning on it. But since we're not, it's more useful to do the easiest/most sensible thing and make life easier rather than requiring people to look at things in even more detail to be able to classify them

Rand al'Thor

I only mention this because you were talking about the idea of a system-level block.

ArtOfCode

7:46 PM

Aye, sure. That kinda block will always be a hypothetical, though, so generally stuff tends to be done however causes least friction for real things

It's a useful litmus test, but doesn't extend much past that

Rand al'Thor

Gotcha.

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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in answer, mostly dots in answer (120): What does "and then some" mean and why is it used that way? by Marie on english.SE

Rand al'Thor

@SmokeDetector n

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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected (79): How do you explain the car crash scene in Fight Club? by Jason Lancaster on movies.SE

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Repeating characters in answer (82): send push notifications in android using firebase by Ayman Mubark on stackoverflow.com

Rand al'Thor

@SmokeDetector n

SmokeDetector

7:58 PM

naa- feedback received

Rand al'Thor

@SmokeDetector n