Charcoal HQ

12:00 AM

[ metasmoke ] ci/circleci success on b22fa99: Your tests passed on CircleCI!

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in answer: Simple finite volume method for compressible Navier-Stokes equations by Mounia Z-m on scicomp.SE

naa- by K.Dᴀᴠɪs

[ metasmoke ] ci/circleci success on d558d8f: Your tests passed on CircleCI!

thesecretmaster

12:15 AM

Sooo.... I've got some free time if anyone has MS bugs/feature requests/change ideas.

quartata

12:28 AM

hmm

SmokeDetector

[ metasmoke ] ci/circleci success on ef668cd: Your tests passed on CircleCI!

quartata

literally just fixed the status table dancing right when I was going to suggest it

that was easy

SmokeDetector

tpu by quartata on How to style window borders in Linux Mint w/ Cinnamon? [MS]

naa by quartata

tpu by quartata on My wordpress contact form 7 is not showing submissions of data in dashboard [MS]

thesecretmaster

@quartata I added the feedback scanning to MS because a) it does nothing if smokey doesn't send feedback and b) it's nice to have feedbacks in the header.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in link text in body: How to Switch between channels (brand Account) on Android by Bernick on stackoverflow.com

quartata

12:33 AM

i intentionally made it include the feedback on the Smokey side though

so I might as well take it out there....

thesecretmaster

Well, does it make more sense for it to live smokey side or MS side?

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in title: Mounting a TV on non-load bearing wall by Frank on diy.SE

fp- by Rob on How to Switch between channels (brand Account) on Android [MS]

thesecretmaster

I don't really know how responsibilities are delegated between the two.

SmokeDetector

fp- by thesecretmaster

quartata

It makes more sense for me to add argument parsing to reply commands and then also take out the hack I have to strip pings on the Smokey side

the hacks can be put wherever but they're still hacks

one sec

thesecretmaster

12:35 AM

So, you're saying it makes more sense to have it smokey side?

quartata

yes, just so that it never sends the feedback in the message to begin with

thesecretmaster

Ok. Any feature requests?

SmokeDetector

[ metasmoke ] ci/circleci success on 2d76040: Your tests passed on CircleCI!

fp by WELZ

quartata

all right just gotta test it

SmokeDetector

12:52 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad NS for domain in answer: military CAC card access no longer works with OS 10.13.2 upgrade by James Smith on apple.SE

quartata

pushed

SmokeDetector

CI on 4de0510 failed.

CI on a80dd50 succeeded.

quartata

!!/pull

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev a80dd50 (quartata: flake) (running on teward/Solar Flare)

quartata

@SmokeDetector ignore comment

SmokeDetector

12:58 AM

Restart: API quota is 7694.

quartata

uhhh?

!!/location?

SmokeDetector

@quartata teward/Solar Flare

quartata

@SmokeDetector f comment

SmokeDetector

@quartata I hit an error while trying to run that command; run !!/errorlogs for details.

quartata

but you worked locally?

!!/errorlogs 50

SmokeDetector

12:59 AM

WARNING: Last metasmoke ping with a response was over 120 seconds ago, forcing SmokeDetector restart to reset all sockets.
2018-05-14 01:24:31.831851 UTC

WARNING: Last metasmoke ping with a response was over 120 seconds ago, forcing SmokeDetector restart to reset all sockets.
2018-05-14 01:25:01.862317 UTC

WARNING: Last metasmoke ping with a response was over 120 seconds ago, forcing SmokeDetector restart to reset all sockets.
2018-05-14 01:25:32.012780 UTC

WARNING: Last metasmoke ping with a response was over 120 seconds ago, forcing SmokeDetector restart to reset all sockets.

quartata

oh sod off

...doesnt even make any sense

SmokeDetector

fp by thesecretmaster on How to Switch between channels (brand Account) on Android [MS]

Makyen

@SmokeDetector ignore-

quartata

Oh I see my bad

Python's kwarg semantics can be pretty confusing

SmokeDetector

CI on 650233b succeeded.

quartata

1:04 AM

!!/pull

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev 650233b (quartata: Forgot to add positional arg to fp) (running on teward/Solar Flare)

Restart: API quota is 7662.

Pandya

Hi someone started spamming by mens of suggested edits feature anonymously!

quartata

link?

@SmokeDetector ignore comment

@SmokeDetector f comment

Pandya

I think it's because we have disabled posts from unregistered users.

@quartata I rejected all of them.

quartata

you can still link to it in the review queue

Pandya

1:06 AM

Yes

quartata

@SmokeDetector ignore

SmokeDetector

@quartata Post ignored; alerts about it will no longer be posted.

quartata

....?

thesecretmaster

@Pandya All you can do AFAIK is reject the edit suggestions and nuke the users.

quartata

yeah the thing about suggested edits is that they're not visible to anyone just browsing the site or anything

and they're conveniently queued up for review

Pandya

1:08 AM

@quartata hinduism.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/20601

quartata

So since we can't take any actions on suggested edits (none of us have rep on Hinduism to reject them), and they're already being brought to your attention, and no one can see them outside of the queue anyways, there's not much to do

It's pretty pointless on the troll's part

thesecretmaster

@Pandya Probobly worth mentioning in the TL, someone over there might have delt with this before.

Pandya

hinduism.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/20600

@thesecretmaster Yes.

quartata

"Our system has identified this edit as possible spam; please review carefully" so that's working :P

Pandya

@quartata well, presently we are rejecting all of such edits. Actually we have started facing this issue yesterday.

SmokeDetector

1:10 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body: Centripetal & centrifugal forces by Umar on physics.SE

fp- by Makyen

Pandya

@quartata Hmm. Can SmokeDetector do anything in this case?

quartata

not really. what would we do if we caught one?

Pandya

Bad keyword in suggested edit.

quartata

Yeah but what would we do with it? we can't get rid of them by ourselves, not like with posts

Pandya

Btw, I think it is lesser harm. Since such words don't directly enter into system

quartata

1:12 AM

If anything it would just make something that isn't public, public by posting it in here

Pandya

And those would be rejected by users.

quartata

None of us have rep to reject suggested edits, whether manually or automatically

Pandya

So, yes nothing to do much.

quartata

otherwise it would be worth catching

Makyen

@Pandya There's a bot on SO which watches for offensive edits (or at least edit summaries). It might be able to monitor Hinduism and report into SEBotics. You could ask people in SOBotics. But, I don't think there's anything that auto-rejects.

Pandya

1:14 AM

@Makyen ok. Thanks

thesecretmaster

There's no API for review anyhow, so rejecting edits would be a pain to code.

Pandya

@SmokeDetector why

SmokeDetector

@Pandya Body - Position 70-81: weight loss

quartata

@thesecretmaster Well, you can fetch suggested edits

but yeah I don't think you can review them

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in body: this is for writing uses only, i am not going to kill anyone by heathernomadonanotweety on writing.SE

WELZ

1:19 AM

@SmokeDetector WTF

quartata

uhhhhhhhhhhh

hahahaha what

WELZ

@SmokeDetector Definitely seems like trolling.

> this is for writing uses only, i am not going to kill anyone

yeh right

quartata

lets see if I get a funny helpful message

WELZ

So anyway, since there weren't enough candidates (2!) the nomination phase was extended by a week.

Undo

@thesecretmaster Around now, got the MySQL changes handy?

thesecretmaster

1:24 AM

Not changes, but yes

WELZ

If after this week, there still aren't a sufficient number of candidates:

in 2018 Graphic Design Moderator Election Chat, 3 hours ago, by Grace Note

@WELZ We shut down the election and contemplate why no one is nominating for the site, and if that's an indication of dire straits.

Undo

Standard procedure. You'll probably get a straggler or two

quartata

yeah dont worry about it

thesecretmaster

@Undo Can you get a mysql console up now?

WELZ

People seem to just not care - everyone there's got [status-meh]

Undo

1:26 AM

Yep

Ready @thesecretmaster

SmokeDetector

API quota rolled over with 7543 requests remaining. Current quota: 19999.

math: 31
stackoverflow: 14
askubuntu: 11
physics: 9
dba: 3
workplace: 3
gis: 2
writing: 2
engineering: 2
anime: 2
islam: 2
mathematica: 2
wordpress: 2
ja.stackoverflow: 1
apple: 1
linguistics: 1
interpersonal: 1
expatriates: 1
stats: 1
lifehacks: 1
security: 1
boardgames: 1
pets: 1
ell: 1
unix: 1
academia: 1
vegetarianism: 1
gamedev: 1
worldbuilding: 1
superuser: 1
es.stackoverflow: 1
video: 1
health: 1
buddhism: 1
crypto: 1
diy: 1
arduino: 1
scifi: 1
music: 1
android: 1
english: 1
sharepoint: 1

thesecretmaster

Also, can you toss me logs/query_times.log?

Undo

Empty, @thesecretmaster. I don't think Art ever turned it on.

thesecretmaster

Aw

Well, I kinda want a baseline to compare to. The first thing I wanted to try was an OPTIMIZE TABLES query on the big tables.

Undo

Turned it on.

WELZ

1:29 AM

Reputation: -_- meh
Chat: -_- meh
Meta: -_- meh
Bounties: -_- meh
Election: -_- meh
New-users-posting-vlq-questions: *Meta post with **20** answers*
Site getting shut down for inactivity: -_- meh

^^^ sums up GD.SE 😂

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in body: Physical Affects of Extreme Conditions on Human Body by heathernomadonanotweety on writing.SE

thesecretmaster

@Undo So maybe tomorrow or whenever you have time you can try an OPTIMIZE TABLES query (I'll pick some good targets now), and I'll probobly have some reasonable ideas for mysql settings optimizations after that.

SmokeDetector

fp- by Makyen

Makyen

@SmokeDetector ignore-

thesecretmaster

Also, if you're around, I've committed some changes that could be deployed.

And if there are any MS features that you want built, I have some free time over the next week to do some of that.

WELZ

1:34 AM

@thesecretmaster New reasons (Like VLQ and Vandalism)

thesecretmaster

Is that a SmokeDetector thing or a metasmoke thing or a both thing?

SmokeDetector

CI on 065cc3e succeeded.

quartata

!!/pull

Undo

It's both, but also an ideological thing - either something is red-flaggable or not.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev 065cc3e (quartata: Be sure to send stripped version for reply autocomments) (running on teward/Solar Flare)

quartata

1:35 AM

Indeed. Also it'll require quite a lot of schema changes

SmokeDetector

Restart: API quota is 19949.

quartata

it'll be a nuisance

you dont want to agree to do that @thesecretmaster :P

Undo

Generally, I haven't seen evidence that we need expanded feedback types.

thesecretmaster

Actually, I've had an idea for a while -- would it be a good idea to create some way to categorize posts, for possible feeding into ML? E.g. nonsense, link spam, offensive, trolling, etc

WELZ

I always feel guilty giving a fp to some extremely low quality / off topic post (like this)

SmokeDetector

1:37 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in username: Beit Av v.s. Mishpechah by John on judaism.SE

tpu- by thesecretmaster

[ metasmoke-deploy ] deploy started by Undo

Undo

I love that

WELZ

Yes, scribbles = vandalism

That's essentially what they do to their post

SmokeDetector

[ metasmoke-deploy ] deploy started by Undo

quartata

Well

Undo

Duplicate deploys don't do bad things, yay

thesecretmaster

1:40 AM

@WELZ Ehm... if quart and Undo are telling me it'll be a pain to add and it's not really useful, I think I'm not gonna do it. I could add icons that are aliased to tp/fp/naa, if that'll help?

quartata

You gotta think about it like this

FPs just mean we shouldn't detect them

VLQ is just noise, we can't do anything about them

that's why we don't usually bother

Undo

Apr 8 '16 at 21:10, by Undo

"If it's something we would have wanted Smokey to catch were it was implemented as a block at the system level, it's a true positive" (just me thinking out loud)

SmokeDetector

[ metasmoke ] ci/circleci success on 3559911: Your tests passed on CircleCI!

quartata

Indeed.

thesecretmaster

@Undo Was that in response to my idea or the deploy?

Undo

1:41 AM

The age-old principle. Only marginally relevant.

WELZ

All this junk aside, we should have an naa equivalent (vlq) for questions.

quartata

Vandalism is a little different

SmokeDetector

[ metasmoke ] ci/circleci success on 4aeacbe: Your tests passed on CircleCI!

Undo

@thesecretmaster The deploy

quartata

The reason why vandalism isn't a separate feedback, ironically, is because we should catch it

The difference is we don't blacklist because usually people aren't repeat vandals

also blacklisting causes the post to be caught again when it's bumped to rollback

Undo

1:43 AM

FYI @ArtOfCode, adjusted the GDPR thing to not back us into a corner. github.com/Charcoal-SE/metasmoke/compare/…

WELZ

Apr 20 at 0:18, by Undo

So simple - "we need to do an audit" "oh, look, you record IP addresses before you get permission to do so" "well yeah, that's how servers w" "TWENTY MILLION EURO FINE, RIGHT NOW"

I'd say to just boycott Europe IP's and not let them govern us 😂🙊

John Dvorak

Disagreed

Undo

I'm pretty unconcerned about that happening to us. More concerned about how it'll be used against... whatever the current government wants to use it against.

Take your least favorite politician/party, make them leader of the EU, and now we've just given them covert censorship power over the Internet.

John Dvorak

can our behavior be used as a weapon against SE if we do something wrong?

Undo

around GDPR?

quartata

1:49 AM

@JohnDvorak no

Undo

Probably, because bending spacetime is part of GDPR prosecution.

quartata

we are no different than any other API subscriber

Undo

Section 1982 subpart D

quartata

the only thing we do is autoflagging which does not fall under automatic decision making

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted user: Can not call Alibaba Cloud API by Sabith Venkitachalapathy on stackoverflow.com

Undo

1:51 AM

It'll be interesting to see the first time the EU tries to enforce this against a US company

WELZ

Pop-- US company is no longer doing business with Europeans, ahhhhh.

Undo

I bet the US is going to say "no, sorry". Then I further bet that the EU is going to attempt to block said site.

quartata

@WELZ yeah that's not happening

Undo

Pop-- Great Firewall of Europe

WELZ

VPN market will skyrocket!

SmokeDetector

1:52 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer, link at end of answer: PCB Programming/Manufacture by liuliying on stackoverflow.com

WELZ

Let's build a VPN, great money to be made.

quartata

...

SmokeDetector

tpu- by Makyen

quartata

the great firewall of china is intended to encourage chilled speech among people in China talking about China

John Dvorak

Or rather, to discourage the non-chilled speech

WELZ

1:54 AM

Can I email Google and command them to delete every single bit of information they have on me?

quartata

this is quite the opposite -- if anything, it will encourage people living in the EU to speak more freely knowing that they can take what they've said back

@WELZ yes. that is the point.

John Dvorak

I think so? Why would you though?

Instead of ads on videogames, you'd be seeing Chinese mobile operators, fake antiviruses and maybe even sex toys for the other gender

WELZ

I'd rather not see ads for relevant things, makes me less likely to buy!

SmokeDetector

fp by thesecretmaster on Centripetal & centrifugal forces [MS]

WELZ

@John you live in US?

John Dvorak

1:57 AM

Europe

WELZ

You'll never understand an Americans distrust in "Big [insert anything here]"

3

Everyone is out to get us

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body: Centripetal & centrifugal forces by Umar on physics.SE

naa- by Makyen on Can not call Alibaba Cloud API [MS]

WELZ

That's the mentality (Both Right and Left - which is what makes it interesting)

SmokeDetector

fp- by Makyen

Makyen

@SmokeDetector ignore

SmokeDetector

1:59 AM

@Makyen That message is not a report.

Makyen

@SmokeDetector ignore

SmokeDetector

@Makyen Post ignored; alerts about it will no longer be posted.

thesecretmaster

@Makyen Why is this post a tp?

John Dvorak

One Big thing that Americans trust, though, are big guns. Also, big rigs.

Big mac and cheese

WELZ

Big things we control = trust
Big things we **don't** control = evil

😂😂

John Dvorak

2:01 AM

Is that really limited to big things?

quartata

youd think we would have had socialism a long time ago if the former was true

Makyen

@thesecretmaster While the text does provide some, relatively common, PCB design advice, it appears to be mostly just there to permit the person to link to a PCB fab company's site.

WELZ

@quartata Why's that?

quartata

we don't elect corporations

Undo

We vote them in with our money, clicks, etc

John Dvorak

2:04 AM

That's far from democracy, then

quartata

many more layers of indirection, and it doesn't always work

WELZ

@Undo Personal info

quartata

whatever it was just a joke, you can come spare with me in TIF if you wanna do more politics

(how did we get here again?)

oh right GDPR

John Dvorak

TIF? You're in so many rooms they don't fit on my screen

WELZ

What's TIF?

quartata

2:05 AM

this is fine (onebox prevention, it's automatic)

uh

right I forgot that oneboxes

@JohnDvorak intentional

John Dvorak

wait, what?

weird

quartata

If you type "this is fine" it automatically oneboxes into that

easter egg

John Dvorak

TIL

WELZ

This is fine

J F

@thesecretmaster Might want to see what needs to be done for MS-Helios integration.

thesecretmaster

2:11 AM

@JF Who's this "Helios" you speak of?

Kidding. Happy to do some stuff for that if someone tells me what that stuff is. Or is it in those issues tagged "helios"?

SmokeDetector

2:23 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in body: A Life Giver and a Killer by Xavier Stanton on puzzling.SE (@Mithrandir @micsthepick @TetsuyaYamamoto)

fp- by WELZ

Makyen

2:34 AM

@SmokeDetector ignore-

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad NS for domain in body, bad NS for domain in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, bad pattern in URL body, +4 more: Rapid : www.muscle4supplement.com/rapid-tone-reviews/ by Aaa Ahhaa on askubuntu.com

tpu- by Tetsuya Yamamoto

fp- by Tetsuya Yamamoto on Centripetal & centrifugal forces [MS]

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer: Dovecot, IMAP outlook reports error 0x800CCC0E cannot synchronize subscribed folders by Sue Jones on serverfault.com

tpu- by Tetsuya Yamamoto

Tetsuya Yamamoto

2:53 AM

@SmokeDetector Still alive... need moar flags.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted user: showing custom serach query in theme default pages by Amir Pirmoradian on stackoverflow.com

Tetsuya Yamamoto

@SmokeDetector why

SmokeDetector

@TetsuyaYamamoto Blacklisted user - blacklisted for stackoverflow.com/questions/49052738 (m.erwaysoftware.com/posts/by-url?url=//stackoverflow.com/…) by the metasmoke API

Tetsuya Yamamoto

@SmokeDetector f

SmokeDetector

3:24 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected, potentially bad keyword in answer, toxic answer detected: Is the triiodide ion polar? by lol on chemistry.SE

Gaurang Tandon

@SmokeDetector came here to say the same; thanks

SmokeDetector

tpu- by Makyen

Gaurang Tandon

i wonder why it says "potentially bad keyword"? I mean, is there any case it wouldn't be a bad keyword?

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in body: Can someone help me to shorten this code? by PyroPlex on arduino.SE

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Non-Latin link in answer: Make title bold in infowindow by zero on stackoverflow.com

tp- by Makyen on Can someone help me to shorten this code? [MS]

fp- by Makyen

quartata

3:43 AM

@thesecretmaster You'd have to ask @Undo where they left off I'm not certain myself

I think all the MS stuff was ready to go... is there a view to manage Helios tokens?

that would be the only thing I think

Undo

The token integration is the missing bit

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer, link at end of answer: Furnishing the sidebar the honest way by xiyuanyuan on ux.SE

tpu- by Makyen

Undo

Apr 30 at 18:50, by Andy

SmokeDetector, running with Helios works. The database would need to be updated with the latest blacklist entries. I haven't updated it since January-ish. The Helios branch needs to be merged too. No idea what that entails. I haven't been keeping it updated. What is needed: Integration with Metasmoke. By using Helios, we lose the !!/approve command because there is no more github pull requests for new blacklist items. We need to replicate that functionality so that no everyone can add/remove.

quartata

@Undo I checked and I swore I saw all the token logic

github.com/Charcoal-SE/metasmoke/blob/…

Undo

... right, I did that.

quartata

3:48 AM

Only thing that might be missing is what happens when a Smokey is destroyed

Helios shouldn't honor that token anymore

Undo

Yep, that sounds right

quartata

Well there's no mechanism for that

Helios saves the token once it's verified it no?

It would have to

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL-only title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, blacklisted website in title, +1 more: mumybear.com/rapid-tone-diet/ by user829994 on askubuntu.com

tpu- by Makyen

quartata

just want to take a moment of everyone's time to say: we have the best room tags

Makyen

4:04 AM

@GaurangTandon Among other detections, there are multiple lists of regular expressions (regexes) which are used to detect spam/offensive posts. One portion of these are split into lists which will result in you seeing a match called either "bad keyword in ..." or "Potentially bad keyword in ...". The ones which are "bad keyword" are considered to be indicators of things which are almost always spam/offensive.

The ones which are "potentially bad keyword" are those which we've chosen to watch for, because they tend to indicate that it might be spam/offensive, but which are either known to not be almost always spam/offensive, or for which we don't have enough data to know. There are criteria used for when to promote something to "bad keyword" from "potentially".

The word you are asking about is a good indicator that it might be spam/offensive, but it's really not a great indicator by itself. Specifically, that word has a record of 242 detections, of which 154 were TP, 76 FP, and 16 NAA. Overall, that's a TP rate of 63.6%, which is about 2/3 as good as what those things in the "bad keyword" category average.

Gaurang Tandon

woah, thanks for the summary @Makyen! Though I really wonder in what SE site is the usage of ***hole allowed, resulting it in being classified as false positive o.O that regex page is blocked for me, can you please link to a (not-deleted) false positive example?

@Makyen So, I guess when you use the !!/watch tool, it first promotes that keyword into the "potentially bad" category, and when a sufficient threshold of true positives has occurred in future time, it gets auto-promoted to the "almost always bad" category?

tripleee

@Mithrandir that was mobile for your enjoyment

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, potentially bad keyword in answer, toxic answer detected: Is Donald Trump a GOOD GOYIM? by Umar on judaism.SE

Nisse Engström

@GaurangTandon Workplace? Various spoken language sites?

SmokeDetector

tpu- by Makyen

naa- by tripleee

tripleee

4:17 AM

!!/report judaism.stackexchange.com/q/92251/14710

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported question: Is Donald Trump a GOOD GOYIM? by Umar on judaism.SE

tpu- by Tetsuya Yamamoto

tpu by Nisse Engström

tripleee

"would not have been caught otherwise" doesn't perspective flag "moron"? don't we have a user filter on Umar?

SmokeDetector

tpu by Nisse Engström

tripleee

!!/watch ^umar$

SmokeDetector

tpu by Nisse Engström

@tripleee Added ^umar$ to watchlist

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev 8885240 (SmokeDetector: Auto watch of ^umar$ by tripleee --autopull) (running on teward/Solar Flare)

Restart: API quota is 19090.

Gaurang Tandon

4:19 AM

@NisseEngström hmm right

Makyen

@GaurangTandon Here is the most recent. Also keep in mind that reparable offensive posts are considered FP, so there are a reasonable number that are detected which are considered offensive, but can be repaired via editing.

NobodyNada

@SmokeDetector ~~Still needs flags~~ gone

Gaurang Tandon

@Makyen oh! So, it was given an "fp" feedback, even though it wasn't actually edited to repair that bad sentence? "...he is an ***hole." that honestly should have been edited out. Okay, I guess, Charcoal members leave such editing stuff for the site-specific regulars instead, and only concern themselves with flagging?

Makyen

@GaurangTandon Moving between "potentially bad keyword" and "bad keyword" is entirely manual. You are correct that !!/watch puts things on the watchlist, which is the "potentially bad keyword" list. The blacklists are those which are considered "bad". There are a few different lists external to the main code, but also some in the code. Those in the external lists can be added to using the various !!/blacklist-* commands.

Note that these blacklists are separate from the specific user blacklist, which is added to and removed from automatically based on the feedback given to posts by that user.

SmokeDetector

fp by NobodyNada on Physical Affects of Extreme Conditions on Human Body [MS]

fp by NobodyNada on this is for writing uses only, i am not going to kill anyone [MS]

Gaurang Tandon

4:28 AM

@Makyen oh nice! that command page was helpful too! bookmarked!

Makyen

@GaurangTandon Depending on what it is and the site it is on, Charcoal users may choose, on their own, to edit out such offensive words. Personally, I'm quite likely to do so on sites where I have full editing privileges, and significantly less likely to do so when my edits must go though the Suggested Edits queue. However, if it's given FP feedback, then no flags are raised through the tools most people here use.

NobodyNada

Huh, where's the pharma spammer tonight?

Gaurang Tandon

@Makyen okay, thanks!

Makyen

@GaurangTandon There's also a Feedback Guidance page which provides some guidelines for what feedback to provide.

bwDraco

roar

I've been extremely busy and have not been able to do any work on the bot or my instance lately. I'll still pop in and provide feedback when I can but I'll need to catch up on some major bot changes later on.

Gaurang Tandon

4:34 AM

@Makyen just a bit curious, final question please :P [A-Za-z_]*(1_*)?845[\W_]*259[\W_]*6015[A-Za-z_]* did you watch a phone number here? (I guess 845-259-6015) If so, what was the need to pad it right&left&middle with alphanumeric characters? (context)

NobodyNada

@GaurangTandon Sometimes spammers obfuscate phone numbers, something like 555_555_5555 or other characters

@Makyen Think it'd be worth making a dedicated phone number blacklist so we don't have to copy that regex around each time?

Makyen

@NobodyNada github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/issues/2169

Gaurang Tandon

@NobodyNada hmmm looking back into the file i see a lot of earlier phone numbers are watched like so: "929\W?427\W?6249" looking further it seems the regex was improved in several steps over time. thanks though!

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, blacklisted website in title, +2 more: youtubetomp3converter.world/lonzo-lil-bibby-mp3-song-download/ by wonmunat on english.SE

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad NS for domain in body, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: Fat Extinguisher As for a healthy by ionajolmako on askubuntu.com

tpu- by NobodyNada on https://youtubetomp3converter.world/lonzo-lil-bibby-mp3-song-download/ [MS]

NobodyNada

@SmokeDetector There you are

SmokeDetector

4:39 AM

tpu- by tripleee

tripleee

@NobodyNada I opened a ticket for that yesterday

NobodyNada

@SmokeDetector why only one autoflag?

SmokeDetector

:44607556 Title - Position 1-70: https://youtubetomp3converter.world/lonzo-lil-bibby-mp3-song-download
Title - Position 9-36: youtubetomp3converter.world
Title - youtubetomp3converter.world NS suspicious brenda.ns.cloudflare.com.,merlin.ns.cloudflare.com.
Title - Position 1-35: https://youtubetomp3converter.worl
Body - Position 367-436: https://youtubetomp3converter.world/lonzo-lil-bibby-mp3-song-download, Position 465-534: https://youtubetomp3converter.world/lonzo-lil-bibby-mp3-song-download
Body - Position 375-402: youtubetomp3converter.world, Position 473-500: youtubetomp3converter.world

NobodyNada

sigh

sd 2poof

bwDraco

Lack of eligible flaggers?

SmokeDetector

4:40 AM

Restart: API quota is 18980.

bwDraco

!!/errorlogs 100

SmokeDetector

2018-05-14 01:20:00.929829 UTC

WARNING: Last metasmoke ping with a response was over 120 seconds ago, forcing SmokeDetector restart to reset all sockets.
2018-05-14 01:20:31.073575 UTC

WARNING: Last metasmoke ping with a response was over 120 seconds ago, forcing SmokeDetector restart to reset all sockets.
2018-05-14 01:21:01.103959 UTC

WARNING: Last metasmoke ping with a response was over 120 seconds ago, forcing SmokeDetector restart to reset all sockets.
2018-05-14 01:21:31.263948 UTC

WARNING: Last metasmoke ping with a response was over 120 seconds ago, forcing SmokeDetector restart…

PeterJ

I'm pretty sure English.SE has been set so it only needs 3 spam flags to delete

bwDraco

It appears something went wrong.

> RuntimeError: deque mutated during iteration

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in answer, toxic answer detected: Anal sex in a marriage by shakil on islam.SE

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Toxic answer detected: Anal sex in a marriage by user27665 on islam.SE

tripleee

4:42 AM

@PeterJ yeah, seems that way, all the autoflags on that site are only one flag

NobodyNada

@SmokeDetector ignore

SmokeDetector

tpu- by DraconicPenguin on Anal sex in a marriage [MS]

fp- by DraconicPenguin on Anal sex in a marriage [MS]

naa- by NobodyNada

@NobodyNada Post ignored; alerts about it will no longer be posted.

bwDraco

Very confusing case here.

NobodyNada

@bwDraco Not unusual for islam.SE

SmokeDetector

naa- by DraconicPenguin on Anal sex in a marriage [MS]

bwDraco

4:43 AM

I'm leaving it at naa.

NobodyNada

@PeterJ Ohhhh, that explains it

@bwDraco The first one's an answer, the second one's NAA

bwDraco

FP, then.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Username similar to website in answer: Error in Android Studio xml by kara on stackoverflow.com

fp- by NobodyNada

fp by DraconicPenguin

naa- by tripleee

tripleee

it's an update to the question I guess, so not an answer

deleted now

NobodyNada

Oh, didn't even notice it was posted as an answer

tripleee

4:46 AM

Rob fixed it

SmokeDetector

naa- by DraconicPenguin on Anal sex in a marriage [MS]

Makyen

@GaurangTandon Yes, that's a USA phone number. All of the external regexes (i.e. !!/watch & !!/blacklist-*) are bookended by \b, which requires a \W to \w transition (or the opposite). The padding on the ends allows for padding out to where such a transition would occur. The padding interior to the number allows for various characters to be interspersed, while still maintaining the separation which a human would expect to see. For example: call us at_1_234_567_8901___to get.....

SmokeDetector

naa by NobodyNada

Makyen

@GaurangTandon As an example, this post is one which requires some features of that regex in order for the phone number to be detected, but to a human it's still very clearly a phone number.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Repeating characters in title: HALOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH by falanta angya on stackoverflow.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in body: Is artificial intellegence danger to humanity? by user186767 on webapps.SE

tpu- by Tetsuya Yamamoto

Tetsuya Yamamoto

4:52 AM

@SmokeDetector Seems copied verbatim from chat or messenger thing.

!!/test airportanalytics.aero

SmokeDetector

> Potentially bad keyword in body, potentially bad keyword in title, potentially bad keyword in username
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Title - Position 1-22: airportanalytics.aero
Body - Position 1-22: airportanalytics.aero
Username - Position 1-22: airportanalytics.aero

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