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There is no limit on giving feedback, is there?
well, 1 per post :P
I am talking about a day. :P
Huh, why did the last two not get autoflagged?
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, potentially bad keyword in answer: How to create diferent startups for diferent builds of mvc web application by user9574931 on stackoverflow.com
1:01 PM
@ByteCommander the username
@SmokeDetector k
@ByteCommander weight too low.
tpu- by Glorfindel
Without it, it doesn't get the weight necessary
1:01 PM
tpu by PeterJ
Yeah, 85 is low, but the two before that also showed as 85 and were autoflagged
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, potentially bad keyword in answer, blacklisted user: Using Vue to enhance existing Multi page / server rendered / classic web app by user9574931 on stackoverflow.com
tpu- by Glorfindel
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, potentially bad keyword in answer, blacklisted user: How to open Kinesis Firehouse ingested Data in S3 by user9574931 on stackoverflow.com
just the luncheon rule did not catch it, apparently
tpu- by ByteCommander
@SmokeDetector k
1:02 PM
@ByteCommander they have their autoflag settings to min. 3 reasons
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer: What's the difference between PoW and PoS? by sopha on bitcoin.SE
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, potentially bad keyword in answer: How can I use Asynctask in different Activities? by user9574943 on stackoverflow.com
@SmokeDetector f
@SmokeDetector k
Could we maybe push the weight of luncheon for the time being?
1:04 PM
FIRE is not loading
@SmokeDetector k
@ByteCommander it has had a bunch of fps, so idk
@SmokeDetector k
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, potentially bad keyword in answer: Difficults to understand some python code piece... (slicing related - I think so...) by user9574950 on stackoverflow.com
tpu- by ByteCommander
1:05 PM
@SmokeDetector k
@ByteCommander [Weights are automatically managed by MS based on the true positives/false positives, and the amount caught, on a scale of 0 - 100 true positive count, if more than 20 posts caught ](github.com/Charcoal-SE/metasmoke/blob/…)
Yeah fat-fingered it I thought it was on the question
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, potentially bad keyword in answer: Gunicorn Nginx chunked transfer encoding by user9574957 on stackoverflow.com
@Glorfindel It's been 81 till now, so asked. However, I have 80 flags remaining on SO. I can at least flag 80 more posts.
tpu- by PeterJ
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, potentially bad keyword in answer, blacklisted user: Updating ViewController not updating PageViewController dots by user9574957 on stackoverflow.com
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, potentially bad keyword in answer, blacklisted user: Difficults to understand some python code piece... (slicing related - I think so...) by user9574957 on stackoverflow.com
1:08 PM
@SmokeDetector k
Should I lower my minimum reason weight for autoflagging? Currently it's 280.
We may have intrusion
@AJ you can't go under 195 IIRC. There's a minimum accuracy requirement
1:12 PM
@PrincessLuna Depends on the other settings, I have a flag condition with 185
fp- by Glorfindel
^ why you don't want a higher weight
I kinda feel this detection reason kinda sucks at its job :P
Most of the recent posts seem to be around 150 on weight and 3 reasons. Using max rep 1 and setting 3 reasons, it is possible to create a flagging condition for the posts. Should at least help with some auto-flagging
@JohnDvorak Mmm, luncheon meats
1:24 PM
@PrincessLuna You should also set the sites to StackOverflow only for this specific kind of spam
Good idea. Thanks! ^^
@SmokeDetector k
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL-only title, bad NS for domain in body, bad NS for domain in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, +5 more: healthflyup.com/luna-trim/ by cinuredd on askubuntu.com
tpu- by JAD
Btw, a little encoding bug on MS (@Undo) - in flagging preferences, Unix & Linux shows as Unix & Linux - gotta urldecode.
Also "Stack Overflow em Português" and such.
1:40 PM
@SmokeDetector wouldn't that one be caught for blacklisted username
apparently not :o
!!/test-u dick in my bum
> Would not be caught as a username.
:43712996 > Would not be caught as a username.
When I set multiple autoflag condition rules for one site, they are in an OR-relation, right? Or is it AND?
Like, I have my default rule of 250/1/1 for all sites, and added a rule 140/1/3 for SO only now. What will happen?
@ByteCommander for SO, it will take the 140/1/3
1:46 PM
and ignore the 250/1/1?
what did I miss
@ByteCommander yes it's an OR
@quartata the spammer from yesterday came back
@PrincessLuna you can set it to 1/3/1 everywhere, not just SO
@JohnDvorak let's see you do better in an hour, we're named panic driven development for a reason :P
I will fix it though, since I want it to be always on
inb4 roadkill-pasta for the same reason
I think I should probably fetch a pickle of this stuff, should help
I can't work on it now though so if it starts pissing people off just comment it out
1:52 PM
room topic changed to Charcoal HQ: Where diamonds are made, smoke is detected, and we break things by developing on production. 90k true positives and counting. Handy links: charcoal-se.org, github.com/Charcoal-SE, charcoal-se.org/blaze, metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com [best-bad-practices] [corn-for-horse] [crazed-maniacs] [dev-on-prod] [everything-is-broken] [panic-driven-development] [plastic-knives] [programmatic-crowbars] [roadkill-pasta]
@SmokeDetector f
@SmokeDetector f
@SmokeDetector f
2:08 PM
tpu- by Glorfindel
All right commenting it out because I want it to have a good autoflagging weight once I fix it u
Currently at 77 once the cron job runs and I'd like it to stay that way
fp- by Glorfindel
I heard comments that all Ruby's prevalence is because of Rails.
@Glorfindel Why use 90k instead of 90,000?
2:25 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: Exchange rate for the Tourist Card in Iran by yasejavan on travel.SE
@AJ not terribly feasible without just hardcoding stuff
@Undo Ohh
fp- by doppelgreener
@ByteCommander known, PRs welcome :)
2:33 PM
I dunno a thing about rails tho
tpu- by Floern
@SmokeDetector k
what was that?
Is this spam?
A: Pick the longest stick

user17318mohd.roslan***strong text***

mohd.roslan***[strong text][1]***

  [1]: lansixstone@gmail.com
2:35 PM
@ByteCommander spamming issues in bootstrap project
in github
@DJMcMayhem I'd say yes. Flagged.
@DJMcMayhem Post Pick the longest stick does not look like spam.
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Pick the longest stick by user17318 on codegolf.SE (@Mego @quartata)
2:36 PM
Shouldn't it have triggered for something like email in body?
tpu- by suraj
And shouldn't FDSC have auto-reported it?
github might want to know of the user github.com/xylrgt
Mod flagged
2:39 PM
@iBug dunno, just felt like it.
@SurajRao report ‘em via block/report abuse → report abuse
someone already nuked all the issues
yeah did that
that was quick
why SO specifically though? its weird
ugh he's playing a catch up game with bootstrap
github needs a better spam detector :p..
loan out SD to them
2:51 PM
I think that the best tactic would be to slow down Tor/proxy endpoints and send a random error here and there :)
if you could get SE to do that...
no idea how much effort would be needed for that
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in body: \*\*\*\*\*\*\*Deleted\*\*\*\*\*\*\* by Dr.Nefario on stackoverflow.com
tp- by ByteCommander
on the other hand I personally am strongly against discriminating whole services like tor just because of one asshat
where there's a need there's a will
SE could do that based on patterns
said trolls have known patterns so you could combine the two without penalizing other anonymous users
3:02 PM
We need SD on GH
(see hover text!)
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer, link at end of answer, username similar to website in answer: Why would NOAA restrict the ability of SpaceX to live stream the second stage? by Ritika Patel on space.SE
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer, username similar to website in answer: Recognise Stack Exchange Sites by Their Icon by Ritika Patel on codegolf.SE (@Mego @quartata)
tpu- by suraj
same link for PPCG and space exploration? yeah..ok
NSFW link
hmm.. second github account still up..
3:15 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, blacklisted website in answer: Auto click in linux while doing other tasks by Rosalyn Gregory on superuser.com
tpu- by DJMcMayhem
API quota rolled over with 8255 requests remaining. Current quota: 19999.
math: 537
stackoverflow: 374
askubuntu: 121
superuser: 79
codegolf: 79
physics: 74
english: 55
serverfault: 53
apple: 41
electronics: 27
gaming: 26
unix: 25
security: 24
drupal: 23
interpersonal: 22
mathoverflow.net: 21
graphicdesign: 19
islam: 19
wordpress: 18
android: 18
magento: 17
meta: 16
bitcoin: 16
ru.stackoverflow: 16
ethereum: 15
dba: 14
mathematica: 14
chemistry: 14
stats: 13
salesforce: 13
rpg: 13
ell: 13
tex: 11
money: 11
travel: 11
diy: 10
webapps: 10
puzzling: 10
aviation: 9
gis: 9
next time
@SmokeDetector ?
Did I miss some update?
no, just sandwiches
sd f
@Rob Agree, but want to throw some disclaimers on this: There's nothing wrong with reporting scam sites to their hosts/Google/DNS/whatever.
4:12 PM
@K.Dᴀᴠɪs It’s for this
@JF Ahh thanks for being helpful! Unlike @art :D
@Undo Yeah.. I could probably have articulated that a bit better. When I said 'actions', I was really thinking 'actions like that'. Responsibly reporting a site to whomever is relevant, of course, is not an issue.
interesting question
4:21 PM
I'll edit it to reflect that, since it's up on the starboard. If you're all uncomfortable with it being there - there's been a few people who have disagreed here - I'm happy to have the stars removed, as well.
nah, it's fine
!!/watch m[au]st[eu]rbat(?:e|io?ng?)
@K.Dᴀᴠɪs Added m[au]st[eu]rbat(?:e|io?ng?) to watchlist
[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at [rev 80424ca (SmokeDetector: Auto watch of m[au]st[eu]rbat(?:e|io?ng?) by K.Dᴀᴠɪs --autopull)](//github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/commit/80424ca) (running on teward/Solar Flare)
Restart: API quota is 19273.
That will hit soooo many fp's on islam.se... :-/
Really? Well I suppose we can add that site to the ignore list if it becomes an issue
4:40 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Luncheon meat detected: Javascript AJAX doesn't work without alert by M.iaou on stackoverflow.com
fp- by K.Dᴀᴠɪs
So, what is "Luncheon Meat"?
@quartata If you were referring to the 'Luncheon' reason, looks like it never did get disabled
I'm still trying to figure out myself... But evidently it's related to
28 mins ago, by J F
@K.Dᴀᴠɪs It’s for this
> luncheon meat (noun): finely minced cooked pork mixed with cereal, sold in a tin and typically eaten cold in slices.
Where's that ignore button again?
4:41 PM
ask a silly question... ;)
s/silly/ambiguously worded/
Here's a more "non-silly" question for ya. Why is smokey returning "Thx you" as lunch meat
Unless the lunch meat is smoked, then understandable
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Misleading link: Signup user to ASP.NET Identity from Xamarin by Michael Chrystal on stackoverflow.com
fp- by Makyen
!!/test InstaSmarter.com
> Would not be caught as a post, title or username.
!!/watch instasmarter\.com
4:46 PM
@Rob You don't have code privileges, but I've created PR#1936 for you.
Merged SmokeDetector #1936.
Restart: API quota is 19045.
[ metasmoke ] ci/circleci success on 9c786cc: Your tests passed on CircleCI!
Where do we report Channel bugs now?
@Undo ping Tim Post in the Tavern.
in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 4 hours ago, by Tim Post
@Glorfindel Forwarded it to the teams team
4:55 PM
Tim also asked here for bugs to be emailed.
should foreign language questions be reported here?
no idea if this user is a troll or legit
Nah I would just flag the question as VLQ
right thanks
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Luncheon meat detected: Javascript - Problema parametro passato con AJAX by user9575844 on stackoverflow.com
4:57 PM
Or unclear
will do
@SmokeDetector f
@SmokeDetector f
@SmokeDetector k (it's the troll again)
4:59 PM
someone should fix that
^ Those were all fp/tpu-, but turns out it's indeed just trolling. stackoverflow.com/questions/49578282/…
It doesn't really surprise me, yesterday they posted an Italian version of the news article on Meta.SE.
@Rob I'm just going to leave it on and fix it later today
It's not catching that many FPs as it is, it'll be ok to leave on all things considered
Restart: API quota is 18840.
5:29 PM
tpu- by K.Dᴀᴠɪs
Fire is so slow
!!/watch uaeangles\.com
@K.Dᴀᴠɪs Added uaeangles\.com to watchlist
CI on b254a03 succeeded. Message contains 'autopull', pulling...
Restart: API quota is 18620.
[ metasmoke ] ci/circleci success on cedbb9b: Your tests passed on CircleCI!
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad NS for domain in answer, bad keyword with a link in answer, potentially bad keyword in answer: WooCommerce Checkout Page's Buttons are not working by than thoai on stackoverflow.com
naa- by K.Dᴀᴠɪs
fp feedback on autoflagged post: WooCommerce Checkout Page's Buttons are not working MS (@ArtOfCode @ByteCommander @CalvT븃)
thanks smokey
5:48 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer: Any log on which Projects on PL/SQL is explaned? by swapnil on stackoverflow.com
Any reason why FIRE would be opening up very quickly in SOBotics but very slowly here?
fp- by doppelgreener
Idk.. That question looks awfully a lot like a spam seed.
oh yeah
you're right...
I have FB yet though. Still contemplating
5:54 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer: Install Windows 7 from Ubuntu on USB Drive by Aaron on askubuntu.com
fp- by K.Dᴀᴠɪs
@SmokeDetector fp but i'm gonna flag that one as rude.
@doppelgreener Registered answer as false positive.
@SmokeDetector thx smokey dokey
6:35 PM
@K.Dᴀᴠɪs FIRE's user-perceived response time will depend on what you've done with your mouse. FIRE pre-fetches data for the post once you mouse-over the FIRE button. Thus, if you've waited a short time between moving the mouse over the FIRE button, then it's likely that FIRE has already made the requests which it has to wait for prior to displaying the popup.
Given the nature of SOBotics, it's more likely that you are moving your mouse pointer around the chat page in order to click on other bot's reports, just happening to go over FIRE buttons. Thus, it's more likely that the user-percieved performance of FIRE is better in SOBotics. Beyond that perception issue, no, there's no reason that FIRE is actually more responsive in SOBotics than here.
@SmokeDetector f
6:55 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted username: Bluetooth HCI snoop log not generated by Fukai on stackoverflow.com
@SmokeDetector f
7:12 PM
Never thought that someone would put the effort into prefetching a post like that. Thanks for the explanation @Makyen
7:24 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Misleading link: Intern is not showing Code Coverage for Browser Tests by Matt F on stackoverflow.com
fp- by Makyen
7:40 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in body: How to convert a json string to a JSON object through moshi by SinSri on stackoverflow.com
@SmokeDetector f
I've got a weird Git scenario here
I have a DLL file with keys in it, and it's been committed a loooong time ago to the repo history.
bad Undo
7:51 PM
I now have a cleaned DLL, that is fully backwards compatible with the other one except not having the secrets
how do you feel about revisionist history
good Undo
I want to rewrite history, replacing the tainted file with the clean one
mkay here's what you do
The rewriting history part is fine, it's the "how do I actually do that" part
7:51 PM
every contributor to that repo will hate you for it tho
@ByteCommander it's basically just me. Internal work thing.
I will hate me for it, though
k, then you'll only hate yourself
Yep, seen that. But everything revolves around removing files. I want to replace the file
You can do an interactive rebase of the commit where the file appeared first, and change it manually there. Or there's some filter-branch command that should do it automatically which I never used
7:53 PM
first off you're gonna need the ID
@ByteCommander oh, drat. That's how to do it
git hash-object filename
Isn't it easier to regenerate the keys themselves where they come from? Key's should be random, so having old keys is the same as having none keys
not possible for a giant bunch of reasons
You can do an interactive rebase but you need to prune the old blob afterwards
7:54 PM
Looks like the DLL was only touched in two commits, a long time ago
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, bad NS for domain in body, bad NS for domain in title, link following arrow in title: Read more @>>factforhealth.com/ by deallelni on apple.SE
@SmokeDetector k
tpu- by K.Dᴀᴠɪs
You need to expire the reflogs first after the rebase
Then I guess git gc --aggressive is good enough...
If you keep the hash of the object you can check to be sure it's gone for real afterwards
Don't really care about my local copies, actually
This is getting pushed to a GHE server, for consumption by other teams
7:58 PM
If you don't expire the reflogs the Git GC will think there's still references to the blob
so it won't remove it even after you've taken it out of the history
GitHub won't expose those anyway, right?
they'll be there if you clone the repo
@Undo Old commits still show up if you go to /:user/:repo/commit/:sha
Reflogs aren't synced to remotes, those are local to the computer only, but the commits remain on GH
I don't mean as files, I mean as objects
8:00 PM
but there might be an option to clean them up that the instance’s admin(s) can access
@quartata ah, gotcha.
@JF if you email GH afterwards they'll remove the cached views and all that, it'll be fine
Not too concerned about people manually finding the commit hash, but it's good to know about
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer: restore deleted iPhone backup - iTunes by A. Alabdan on apple.SE
3 mins ago, by Undo
This is getting pushed to a GHE server, for consumption by other teams
8:02 PM
if anything that means you'll get more support as opposed to less
just have to find who to talk to
GHE is for plebs though tbh
real gangsters run their own CGit instances
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: Configure mail plugin in thingsboard to work with Gmail by cprior on stackoverflow.com
fp- by K.Dᴀᴠɪs
8:05 PM
sd f
@Undo [:43719504] That message is not a report.
@Undo please see the wiki to learn how Smokey works ...
too many words
@Undo Read
that is one word ...
still too many words on the page :P
8:10 PM
@rene too many words
@rene now that's too many phonemes
Hrm, nocrash changes require an actual manual reboot...
oh well not a biggie
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ you're a pho ... whatever yourself
CI on a07b407 succeeded.
8:13 PM
@quartata Is there any way around that?
maybe with some really gnarly reflection
it's not a big deal though
it just means it'll still be running the old version
@JF I appreciate the PR but I got my hands on some actual data now :P
Hmm, could a running bash script replace itself with an updated version? I really think that should be possible.
Probably with exec
wait, nocrash.py? Didn't that use to be a shell script?
not anymore
A: Restarting a self-updating python script

Alex MartelliIn Linux, or any other form of unix, os.execl and friends are a good choice for this -- you just need to re-exec sys.executable with the same parameters it was executed with last time (sys.argv, more or less) or any variant thereof if you need to inform your next incarnation that it's actually a ...

That should be what you'Re looking for @quartata
ah yes
trouble is Windows makes it no bueno
it doesn't have a way of replacing the process image like exec does
8:26 PM
screw windows
If the method in that answer (there's an alternative given for Windows, but I think you'd also need to start a different file because NTFS doesn't allow overwriting an open file) doesn't work, one can still manually restart there.
windows can surely have a program restart itself, otherwise programs like Chrome wouldn't be able to offer a "click this button to restart the program for an update" option
it's probably that the main process gets another one started up, exits, then the other process takes care of making the update happen, then restarts the original process from its updated source.
@doppelgreener Reminds me of this: cs.utah.edu/~elb/folklore/xerox.txt
8:41 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in body: DO YOU KNOW THE BRAND PANDORA? by Maija Tabakova on stats.SE
@SmokeDetector k
What is the feedback rule for posts with some offensive language, but which are salvageable by editing?
tp- ?
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in link text in answer: Repeat Invoice In QuickBooks by peterprism on superuser.com
@JohnDvorak That is fantastic. Thank you for sharing that with me. :D

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