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12:00 PM
@JF: Is it possible to add support for the SOCVR to aIM?
 
@DavidPostill me too FWIW
... I think, not entirely sure I reloaded after updating
 
J F
@Cerbrus It should be.
 
@JF // @match *://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/11540/charcoal-hq
Should probably add a SOCVR line then.
Imma try
@JF: autoflagging.smokeyID = "120914"; <-- that's preventing it from working on SO.
On SO, his ID is 3735529
If you add the match, and change the ID, AIM works in the SOCVR
So it probably needs support for a per-site/room userId to make it work reliably.
 
12:19 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, blacklisted website in title, repeated URL at end of long post: offersreviews.org/malexpro/ by ticu weba on apple.SE
tpu- by Floern
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: Point of Sale System by Koro Boost on stackoverflow.com (@dorukayhan)
tpu- by tripleee
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer: Internet drops and then computer becomes unresponsive by kristen on superuser.com
 
J F
@Cerbrus Working on it.
 
Before reload:
 
@JF as am I :P
 
After reload:
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in title, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title: Payday loans are unsecured and require no guarantee @ www.borrowdoorsteploans.co.uk by David Brown on drupal.SE
tpu- by Floern
 
J F
12:22 PM
@Cerbrus If you finish, I’ll accept the PR :)
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer: Default antivirus for mac by kristen on superuser.com
 
@DavidPostill yep, for me it also shows only 1 flagger
 
@JF Have a look, see if you like it: github.com/Charcoal-SE/userscripts/pull/38
 
fp- by DavidPostill
 
@Floern And the loading icon for the second ...
 
12:25 PM
@DavidPostill I think it shows the loading icon until the first feedback?
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Present Continuous or Present Simple in a Meeting by Plaisime Yonel on english.SE
tpu- by Cerbrus
naa- by tripleee
 
@SmokeDetector @DavidPostill the user has been nuked, it seems. Isn't it spam after all?
 
@Glorfindel It did answer the question (first part of the answer) and the link was to a free product - so I gave it the benefit of the doubt.
 
The website is blacklisted, but most of the hits were FPs.
So it seems some of us are in more doubt than others :)
 
12:35 PM
Hmm.
 
Actually, the one I marked as TP may not have been so TP (Oh crap, help!)
 
We should either remove the blacklist entry, or decide that even with the partially helpful answers it's still a spammer at work.
I'm happy following the majority of you in this case.
 
Well comodo do offer completely functional free products. I'm happily using the free firewall. I haven't noticed any spam on SU before ... but that was the second in a few minutes ... by the same user.
 
Well, in fact all reported posts have been deleted.
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Node.js server with multiple concurrent requests, how does it work? by abc on stackoverflow.com (@dorukayhan)
tpu- by Glorfindel
 
12:39 PM
I'm happy to report those as spam in this case (same user).
 
Can you see why those posts were deleted on SU?
I mean as spam, or just a normal moderator deletion?
 
Difficult to tell.
 
That's a moderator flagging it as spam.
The two hits on SO were 'normal' moderator deletions - you can then still see the contents, and the moderator's name appears in it.
 
@Glorfindel Probably, given the user was nuked as well.
 
Some of the older ones are very spammy.
 
12:43 PM
OK, then we need to adjust the MS feedback on these hits.
@SmokeDetector k
 
Conflicting feedback on Default antivirus for mac.
 
@SmokeDetector k
 
That's the one I k'd :P
 
@SmokeDetector k
 
Conflicting feedback on Default antivirus for mac.
 
12:45 PM
@SmokeDetector k
 
@angussidney if you're around, could you reset the feedback for the FPs here please?
I can't find the Smokey reports, so I can't k them.
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, pattern-matching website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: This complement can provide you by anmolmeri on apple.SE
tpu- by Glorfindel
 
@Glorfindel I already fixed mine
 
k thx
 
This troll question and all answers still need a few flags: worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/q/71503/6608
 
12:49 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Sorry for TRolling by k im sorry on worldbuilding.SE
tpu- by Glorfindel
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported question: Sorry for TRolling by king9gbsucksonnarwhale.io on worldbuilding.SE
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Sorry for TRolling by im not whiny on worldbuilding.SE
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Sorry for TRolling by runforit on worldbuilding.SE
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Sorry for TRolling by yepsit on worldbuilding.SE
naa- by Glorfindel on Sorry for TRolling [MS]
tpu- by Floern on Sorry for TRolling [MS]
tpu- by Cerbrus
tpu- by Cerbrus on Sorry for TRolling [MS]
 
FDSC / AIM at their best ^
 
tpu- by DavidPostill on Sorry for TRolling [MS]
 
@SmokeDetector .why is that report faded out? it's not gone yet
now it is..
 
@Floern good question, I saw it as well.
 
Yay, AIM now also works in the SOCVR :D
 
12:59 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in body: R Neighboorhood Exponential Decay by user3017036 on stackoverflow.com (@dorukayhan)
fp- by Glorfindel
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title, blacklisted user: supplementskings.com/pure-nitro-max/ by ticu weba on apple.SE
tpu- by tripleee
 
@Cerbrus nice. Do you want to be added to the @contributor list?
 
Sure thing :D
 
OK, I (or @JF ) will do that once we bump the version number and fix some other bugs.
 
👍
 
@SmokeDetector AIM bug: the flag log on that is broken, it points to metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/post/undefined/flag_logs
hovering shows "Flagged by avery" and there's a 1 in front of the flag, but I guess this is a known bug from earlier versions, although I had sort of hoped for it to be fixed in beta3
just to be explicit, the flag icon itself has a link attached to it, which is however broken
Chrome (I think it is) obscures this by showing "post/.../flag_logs" with an ellpisis, but if you hover long enough it reveals that the ellipsis expands to "undefined"
the link is there on posts which were not autoflagged, with the same error
 
1:15 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title: helix6garciniareview.com/rexadrene/ by fikgermeres on graphicdesign.SE
tpu- by Glorfindel
 
What ... did just happen on Worldbuilding.se?
 
Some user created a couple of accounts
A few more users made those accounts disappear
 
Nice.
 
I guess you could say we....
Rocked his world.
*Sunglasses*
 
posts huge meme pic
 
1:34 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Translation problem by Allen Wood on meta.SE
tpu- by DavidPostill
 
"Allen Wood is highly qualified blogger" who doesn't know that spamming is bad ... — DavidPostill 18 secs ago
 
1:50 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer, pattern-matching website in answer: Limit number of characters in product name within a product list by user7581131 on stackoverflow.com (@dorukayhan)
tpu- by Glorfindel
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in answer, no whitespace in answer: Words or phrases to describe how street beggars typically look? by jkjkjkjkjk on english.SE
tpu- by Glorfindel
 
2:49 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Negation (complement) of Less-than, Greater-than etc by user7581306 on stackoverflow.com (@dorukayhan)
tpu- by Glorfindel
@AshishAhuja: It seems this is your first time sending feedback to SmokeDetector. Make sure you've read the guidance on your privileges, the available commands, and what feedback to use in different situations.
 
That's normal, but is this really your first feedback?
 
no
maybe my first feedback from SOCVR after my account merge
I surely have feedbacked from here a lot of times
it should only show this once right?
 
@AshishAhuja yeah, that could be it. I see almost 1000 feedbacks here.
@AshishAhuja yes.
Most people only appear once in this list
 
looks like a bug, even CaffeineAddiction appeared twice
back to the cv queue now
 
@SmokeDetector k
but I'll try to roll it back
 
@Glorfindel isn't it vandalism?
 
It's a special kind: offensive vandalism.
 
@Glorfindel heh..
 
3:09 PM
@JanDvorak I destroyed those accounts by fire two hours ago. Thanks to Charcoal for a bunch of those flags.
 
@HDE226868 o/
Haven't seen you here before, welcome to charcoal
 
@HDE226868 hiya
 
Hiya. Any idea why you don't appear in the user list (the grid of avatars on the right)?
 
@Glorfindel I see him now.
 
@Magisch Thanks. I've popped in here once or twice before, but just briefly.
@Glorfindel I had left the room.
 
3:15 PM
@AshishAhuja yeah me too. Strange ...
 
Ahh
 
@HDE226868 ah, that explains the weirdness..
 
3:35 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, bad keyword with email in answer: Why did Canada not join the American Revolution? by Okpapiami Shrine on history.SE
tpu- by DavidPostill
 
Alright smokey, I'm about to type some stuff. Don't interrupt me this time...
Updated Graph, now with even more colors!
This has three trend lines per section. Trend lines show the average time to removal for a reported post.
The solid line is the average trend over that period of time. The dashed line is the time to deletion for posts created between UTC+4 and UTC+12 (spamming hour!). The dotted line is the time to deletion outside of spamming hour.
A couple interesting things that I noticed - time to deletion during spam hour was higher when we didn't cast any automatic flags. It was removed faster outside of spam hour.
That reversed when we started issuing a single auto-flag. The spam hour time to deletion is slightly lower than the average. Comparing the two time periods though, time to deletion during non-spam hour at the end of the non-flagging time period and the end of the single flag period are roughly the same.
Again, the three flags time period is so new that there isn't enough data to draw conclusions yet.
HA! I WIN SMOKEY!
 
@Andy The bottom caption doesn't seem to have a line type/colour :/
 
It does, it's just a crappy yellow. I'll fix that next time. I didn't notice it until I pasted the image here.
It's also only two days worth, so it's hard to tell where those three lines diverge at this point
 
fp- by ByteCommander
 
3:50 PM
@Andy FYI, as a newcomer to this project, and after reading the description several times, I'm not sure what the first results graph in the meta post is supposed to communicate.
 
@Nathaniel you mean TP/TotalCount/tpCorrect one?
^ that ?
 
Yep
 
it's a three-way relationship graph
the blue line reflects the number of True Positives, given a specific weight of the number of filters/triggers detected for a given post (and thus the autoflagging thresholds), with the left Y-axis as the scale for it
 
@Nathaniel, I agree that the description is a bit confusing. I was hoping someone would help me clean that one up
 
The green total count is the total number of posts picked up in the same flag weight amount, but includes those which're 'false positives'
the yellow indicates the percentage of the total posts which were True Positives based on flag weight (using the right axis of percentages)
@Andy A definition of what the lines mean would be great to include
 
3:57 PM
Right, with you so far. But what's the point? I think the point is that the better the "reasons" are for the auto-flagging, the more accurate the true positive percentage.
 
and the meaning of what this graph represents
 
But I'm not sure if that's what's intended, or if that's even correct.
How a graph like this might be used as you fine-tune things might also be worth explaining... so you have the power to raise or lower the percentage accuracy of auto-flags by adjusting the minimum "weight" required to trigger them
(if that makes sense)
 
That
 
@ThomasWard, would you like to make a presentable paragraph for that chart? If not, I can after the next meeting.
 
@Andy I would if I could, alas I can't.
 
4:08 PM
No problem. I have a meeting that I finally rounded up all the stakeholders for, so I'll work on it after that
 
@SevenSidedDie Hello
 
@Magisch G'day
 
o/ @SevenSidedDie
how goes the world of RPG :P
 
@ThomasWard Nothing on fire! I appreciate this fact.
 
always good
 
4:14 PM
Nothing on fire... yet. As we all know, the Fires of Chaos and Darkness and Evil pop up in the most random locations and times to cause disruption and damage. :P
like the commit I almost pushed to Smokey that would have torched Smokey completely. :)
so then he would be a smokey SmokeDetector. *da dum tish*
senses the eye rolling
 
How about this?
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: Testo Muscle Fuel cures lovemaking brokenness by kengewinter on drupal.SE
 
thanks Smokey
 
tpu- by Undo
 
> The above graph plots the weight of the reasons against its overall volume of reports and accuracy. As minimum weight increases, accuracy (yellow line and rightmost Y-axis) and total reports (blue line) on the left-hand scale decrease.
Ought to dig up one of the better graphs there
 
4:19 PM
@Undo I think that helps describe it.
 
I've got a better one somewhere
 
@Undo Someone had to have put code in smokey that detects when we are posting a long block of text and then interjects.
2
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: If you workout only once or twice a week by clientmods on graphicdesign.SE
tpu- by Floern
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in body: TestObject Platform Issue with running Appium by Sandarekha on sqa.SE
fp- by DavidPostill
 
@Undo Accuracy decreases?
 
@Undo erm, I think you mean accuracy increases
not decreases.
higher weight, higher TP accuracy
 
4:36 PM
Restart: API quota is 2589.
 
@ThomasWard yeah
It's morning and I'm tired
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with a link in answer: w1-gpio (Dallas 1-wire) not working on Raspberry Pi 2 Model B by Edul on raspberrypi.SE
fp- by Glorfindel
 
4:58 PM
Hmm. Don't know what to do with this one. "This account is temporarily suspended to cool down. The suspension period ends in 7 days."
 
fp- by Floern
 
@DavidPostill start reading here.
We can probably unblacklist him now.
 
@Glorfindel User removed from blacklist (141913 on physics.stackexchange.com).
 
@Glorfindel Yeah, but look at the revision history on that last report. Only 2 hours ago "You're all wrong. I made a free energy device for $10 and open sourced it so people can make their own. Why would you steal my shit and claim it as your own? youtube.com/watch?v=5dZTqiPX0c8 what the fuck is this? What about my micro organism game theory and the results you published. Fuck the lot of you"
 
@Andy That looks like something Hatman would do
 
5:06 PM
We'll see what happens when he returns.
 
@Glorfindel Which is much easier if he remains blacklisted ...
 
Smokey detected his actions on its own, without us having to intervene.
His questions have been bumped, may attract new answers/edits and cause quite some FPs.
 
Fair enough ... I'm sure I will remember his name ...
 
5:29 PM
@DavidPostill "Free energy device"
What follows is 102% guaranteed to be pure bull shit
 
@Magisch Of course ;p
 
@Magisch Did you know that 78.3% of the statistics people quote are made up on the spot?
 
@Glorfindel No, it's 67.49% ;p
 
5:44 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected: What is the meaning of the prefix "per-"? by Ava West on chemistry.SE
 
@SmokeDetector k
 
... kids these days
 
Actual death threat
Idk, is that mandated for reporting in the US?
waybackwhen I was mod on mcf they had us get an admin for these and would forward them to Law enforcement
 
No, it's not mandated
 
should we
you know, get a CM
or would that be overreacting
 
5:48 PM
What is a CM going to do other than suspend the user?
It looks like a troll to me, nothing more
 
Who is unregistered anyway ...
 
5:59 PM
we spent more time chatting here than a CM would care about that post I think
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, pattern-matching website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: DermEssence makes your skin look by tro5445 on stackoverflow.com (@dorukayhan)
 
6:19 PM
API quota rolled over with 1901 requests remaining. Current quota: 9999.
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askubuntu: 530
superuser: 467
unix: 259
drupal: 221
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math: 189
english: 180
travel: 178
salesforce: 156
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dba: 146
gis: 141
magento: 133
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6:50 PM
@Undo If you find it, can you share it?
Wait, you're on vacation aren't you? Never mind. Enjoy your trip.
 
@DavidPostill this is... sorta the entire point of open source stuff
 
@ArtOfCode lol. please send me lots of open source free energy
 
did I mention it's wireless too
 
microwave energy from the sun!
Reminds me of Sim City
 
7:08 PM
@Andy Definitely. It's around somewhere.
Worst case, I pull more data.
Kinda on vacation, but there's LTE everywhere and there's downtime occasionally
 
Hm, smokey didn't see this? chemistry.stackexchange.com/a/68711/7951
 
tpu- by ArtOfCode
 
oops
!!/test homeworkdoer.com
 
> Would not be caught for title, body, and username.
 
@Loong probably because it's not in the blacklist
!!/test homeworkdoer.com Our site is the best custom essay site. Buy essays for pennies on the dollar.
 
7:13 PM
> Url in title
----------
Title - Position 1-28: http://www.homeworkdoer.com
 
screw off stupid system
!!/test www.homeworkdoer.com Our site is the best custom essay site. Buy essays for pennies on the dollar.
 
> Would not be caught for title, body, and username.
 
I could have killed it myself, but I thought you might be interested.
 
@Loong no, thanks for reporting it.
One more reason to implement the 'username in URL' filter.
 
@SmokeDetector tpu-
@Loong I'd drop a spam flag on that post with your mod diamond IMO, nuke the post entirely
Smokey didn't pick it up because it didn't match a detection filter is all
 
7:20 PM
@ThomasWard Yeah, I have killed the post and the user account now. I just wanted to give you a minute to analyze it.
 
yep, though this is the only report for that site so far :)
it's up to @ArtOfCode if we blacklist
i'mi too tired to care
(E: Not Enough Coffee)
 
7:41 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in answer: Generating confirmation code for an email confirmation by sam on stackoverflow.com (@dorukayhan)
tpu- by Glorfindel
 
@SmokeDetector k
 
8:38 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Repeating words in answer: Remove letters from a cell leaving numbers only by Donald Clark-Charest on stackoverflow.com (@dorukayhan)
fp- by Glorfindel
 
9:19 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in answer: What is AdBlock blocking on my website? by J C on superuser.com
fp- by Glorfindel
 
10:19 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in body, title has only one unique char: --------------- by Mathushun Sivanathan on stackoverflow.com (@dorukayhan)
 
J F
@SmokeDetector v
!!/alive
 
@JF Of course
 
J F
10:34 PM
> There are three hard problems in computer science: naming things, cache invalidation, off-by-one-errors, and undefined.
 
Restart: API quota is 8557.
 
J F
!!/alive
 
@JF Of course
 
J F
!!/lick
 
@JF licks ice cream cone
 
J F
10:40 PM
That’s better. waits for spam
 
Is there documentation on the web sockets available on metasmoke
 
J F
@Andy Not AFAIK. I’ve looked at the code in the past.
 
'Fraid not, though someone should probably write some. @JF might know about them.
 
J F
@ArtOfCode Where should I put them?
@Glorfindel opinion on Charcoal-SE/userscripts#37?
 
@JF if you're writing them, along with the rest of the API docs in metasmoke's wiki
 
10:48 PM
The MS Api wiki?
 
aye
 
J F
11:18 PM
!!/alive
 
@JF Of course
fp- by DavidPostill
 
J F
@SmokeDetector f
@Andy There you go (WIP)
afk
 
11:37 PM
@JF The API channel is the only channel you can access outside of metasmoke, I think
 
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