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kviiri
kviiri
6:01 PM
@AncientSwordRage yup
And that's been the case for earlier editions too
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
6:13 PM
Okay, Im done making JC edits for today.
Dont want to flood the front page too bad.
 
Medix2
Medix2
There's a lot btw
Like there's all these and TIL there are some weird ways to format links
Like somehow this link works? But this would have been just fine
 
Someone_Evil
Someone_Evil
Weird how?
 
Medix2
Medix2
I assume the entire appended action of "?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.sageadvice.eu%2F2016%2F07%2F09%2Fcan-i-move-and-attack-with-a-readied-action%2F" just does nothing?
 
Someone_Evil
Someone_Evil
The former is passing on a referral link, no? Telling the website who sent you
 
Medix2
Medix2
But then it's being put onto our site which makes it... not needed?
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
6:18 PM
@Medix2 Im using this query to find chief offenders.
 
Medix2
Medix2
I at least learned that links like that (using a referral) pop up when using the "url" parameter in the search function
 
Someone_Evil
Someone_Evil
Yup, I would it happens because folks follow that link and then copies it from their browser without trimming
You can occasionally see some odd forms of broken links being posted that ways, but here we are
 
Medix2
Medix2
The real reason @ThomasMarkov acquired 50k reputation. To bounty every single Tweet-answers-only question
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
@Medix2 It's a decent perk, to be sure.
@Someone_Evil You cool with the parameters of my editing project?
(1) Clarify that JC tweets are unofficial rulings, (2) replace sa.eu links with direct links to tweets, (3) bounty questions that need authoritative answers
 
GcL
GcL
@ThomasMarkov I haven't showered since my activity today. You lead me to your chief, and I can help you offend them. /S
 
nitsua60
nitsua60
6:23 PM
@kviiri I mean, someone coming to the hobby would likely have most-recently run across "editions" of something when their college textbook's page numbers didn't quite match, or their wrong-edition anthology was missing one or two of the works assigned. That's a pretty poor map to how some RPGs use the term "edition."
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
@Someone_Evil also how much is too much at one time
 
GcL
GcL
@ThomasMarkov 2 and 3 seem great. 1 seems like putting words in people's mouths they might not have intended. Heck, the OP in some cases might consider JC tweets better than official.
 
Someone_Evil
Someone_Evil
@ThomasMarkov These all seem like useful actions, and you're aware of the please don't flood idea, so seems all good
 
GcL
GcL
@ThomasMarkov You could wait till you get chatted at. Probably depends on the Q&A activity. Probably wait until one is out of the top 15 results.
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
@Someone_Evil I did 6 just a bit ago, probably leave it at that for today.
 
GcL
GcL
6:26 PM
That way people likely won't be looking at more than one Thomas edit per screen/page down.
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
@GcL I frequently have multiple edits bumping things to the front page lol
 
Mithical
Mithical
SFF has a no more than 5 out of the last active 15 posts on the front page policy, for reference.
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
@Mithical link to policy?
 
Mithical
Mithical
 
Medix2
Medix2
@ThomasMarkov I've also seen people say that if you have a lot to do you should just get it all done in one feel, page-flooding swoop so... yeah...
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
6:30 PM
@Mithical thanks
 
Mithical
Mithical
np
 
bobble
bobble
I have a personal 3-a-day necro-edit policy, but that applies nowhere but the inside of my head
 
GcL
GcL
@Medix2 I find that garners complaints here. On the other hand, a script to queue up one edit per day generally goes under the radar.
 
Medix2
Medix2
Well, making a script might be more difficult in this case; but assuming that isn't an option, the difference is in the amount of time required on the part of the editor which... if it's their own endeavor, probably doesn't matter
I've now collected related Meta questions
 
GcL
GcL
@Medix2 If you've got a list of posts to edit, mine was a cron job that ate one at a time and opened a link to the post. A spreadsheet or whatever people want to use would probably work as well.
 
Medix2
Medix2
6:38 PM
4, 5. Note I just searched for "flood"
Especially that second link, as it has answers in all directions. So yeah, surprisingly absolutely nobody, there isn't a perfect consensus
 
GcL
GcL
What's the DC for perfect consensus? 45?
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
Yeah, Ill just let it be a slowish burn till someone gets upset.
 
Medix2
Medix2
Wait... if somebody believes Crawford's tweets are official. And Crawford has tweeted that his tweets aren't official...
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
@Medix2 Oh no.
 
bobble
bobble
@GcL a perfect consensus is impossible, because if you start to get a large number of people agreeing with you, someone will disagree just to be contrary.
 
Someone_Evil
Someone_Evil
6:48 PM
@bobble Hmm... that doesn't seem correct :p
 
SmokeDetector
SmokeDetector
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with a link in answer, link at end of answer (141): Is it necessary to purchase all the D&D 5th edition books to have access to all player character options? by Gob LInn on rpg.SE (@Rubiksmoose)
 
AncientSwordRage
AncientSwordRage
@SmokeDetector kill it with fire
yay
 
Someone_Evil
Someone_Evil
Fire applied
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
Any kind hearted soul want to update this answer?
 
Medix2
Medix2
A great example of why I like Community Wiki answers XD
 
Joel Harmon
Joel Harmon
6:56 PM
@GcL It's 20 + 5 * the number of people
 
AncientSwordRage
AncientSwordRage
@ThomasMarkov no thank you
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
It's missing ERLW, MOoT, and TCoE
 
Medix2
Medix2
Isn't there a new book coming out soon too? And isn't Frostwind Vale something too?
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
@Medix2 Icewind Dale is an adventure module
 
Medix2
Medix2
Or some name with "Frost" in the title...
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
6:59 PM
There is a Ravenloft campaign setting coming out soon
@Medix2 Icewind Dale: Rime of the Frostmaiden
 
Medix2
Medix2
I feel like that somehow wasn't even it XD
 
AncientSwordRage
AncientSwordRage
candle keep?
 
Medix2
Medix2
Wow there are a lot of adventures I've never heard of
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
Candlekeep Mysteries just released last week.
 
Medix2
Medix2
Rrakkma, Candlekeep, Icespire Peak, Thesselhydra, Frozen Sick, Infernal Machine Build... and more. Ah but what I was thinking of was the Tides of Bilgewater unofficial content so nevermind on that
Like there's a LOT of books here: dndbeyond.com/sources
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
7:10 PM
@Medix2 Alot of this is digital releases.
 
SmokeDetector
SmokeDetector
7:29 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer, potentially bad asn for hostname in answer (62): What was the first RPG podcast? by P M. on rpg.SE (@Rubiksmoose)
 
Axoren
Axoren
@AncientSwordRage That's going to make SEO very difficult during 6e's playtest if they're going to call it D&DNext again
 
NautArch
NautArch
@KorvinStarmast Guessing you've noticed, but candlekeep is live on dndbeyond now for us.
 
Axoren
Axoren
Also, I would love to be a part of the 6e playtest so I can stop them from making awful feats like Grappler again.
 
AncientSwordRage
AncientSwordRage
@SmokeDetector false positive?
@Axoren there's no plan at the moment
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
@AncientSwordRage Looks like it.
 
Axoren
Axoren
7:38 PM
@AncientSwordRage No plan to make more awful feats? Or no plan for a 6e playtest? Because I know 6e's a long way away.
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
@Axoren Right, why would you shelve your cash cow when it is producing more milk than any other time in history
 
AncientSwordRage
AncientSwordRage
@Axoren no plan for a 6e
I wouldn't be surprised if it slowly mutates into something else
 
Axoren
Axoren
@ThomasMarkov There's actually an answer to this that isn't idiocy. If you see your player base becoming bi-modal, you can just pick up one group of them and move them over there, and make two parallel products that serve each better and expand market size drastically.
Right now, 5e's audience isn't homogenous, but it's not asking for something drastically different.
 
AncientSwordRage
AncientSwordRage
@Axoren what modes?
 
Axoren
Axoren
@AncientSwordRage Distribution modes?
 
AncientSwordRage
AncientSwordRage
7:44 PM
@Axoren you hinted at a bi-modal distribution, and that the audience isn't homogenous
 
Axoren
Axoren
@AncientSwordRage No, no, no. That was a general case in which a corporation had a milkable product that met that criteria. Like Capcom and Nintendo with their Fighting Game communities.
 
AncientSwordRage
AncientSwordRage
@Axoren I get that
 
Axoren
Axoren
It actually becomes profitable for a company to establish new product and maintain the old product and new product in parallel.
 
AncientSwordRage
AncientSwordRage
> Right now, 5e's audience isn't homogenous
I'm trying to understand that bit
 
Axoren
Axoren
There's people who want 5e to double-down more on Westmarch Style of play, but the balance shift is more towards Dungeoneering as an example.
There are pockets within the community that want something that D&D has trouble providing as part of their blanket experience.
In many cases, people add their own rules on top of 5e to support these playstyles, or they just use other engines.
 
AncientSwordRage
AncientSwordRage
7:48 PM
@Axoren I've never seen a good example of how those two styles of play actually effect the game mechanics? I understand how they work roughly though
@Axoren this I didn't know
 
Axoren
Axoren
The homebrew community is often looked at with a lot of spite because many people start tinkering with the engine before they understand it. But in many cases, there are parts of D&D that lack rulings for mediating certain conflicts. For example: Mental Combat still hasn't been brought back in.
No Psychic battles yet.
Before Salt Marsh, people had their own boating rules for ship combat. Then D&D added ship combat rules to a module that barely even used them.
So 5e can eventually wrangle in its whole audience, but it's doing it bit by bit at a time.
Another thing that was brought up a while ago is that D&D is an engine for adventures that solve problems with violence. It's very hard to build a character that can solve general problems without reducing some hit points and without impeding their party members from solving those same problems with their toolkits. Campaigns where the goal is not the kill evil but to defeat them in other ways, they really need some other kind of system.
@AncientSwordRage As for this point, which I kind of skipped over because the other was easier to respond to, one big aspect of it is that Exploration sort of suffers in D&D as a whole. Not everyone plays from modules and without a place that already exists and has been designed and established, characters that want to excel in this field (I know my way all around insert valley here) will get shafted as those parts of play are either randomly generated or neglected entirely.
 
RevenantBacon
RevenantBacon
@Axoren The "Three Pillars" of 5e are (supposedly) Exploration, Combat, and Social Interactions, but one of those three pillars is bigger than the other two combined.
 
Axoren
Axoren
We notice at our table, we have to make an effort to make exploration rewarding and meaningful, but we ended up making up an entire framework that best serves as the basis for our own engine!
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
@RevenantBacon That's a playstyle thing.
 
RevenantBacon
RevenantBacon
@ThomasMarkov It's not just playstyle though. The portions of every single book that are dedicated to detailing how to do combat are vastly larger than the proportions of either how to handle exploration or social interactions
 
Axoren
Axoren
7:58 PM
Exploration very much feels like a tack-on to those pillars, but it doesn't feel like it was supposed to be so neglected.
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
@Axoren My personal thoughts are that the (reasonably adept) members of the D&D 5e (and 3e) homebrew community do no worse than published contractors, only the published contractors get their work put in first-party volumes. Both groups are working with almost no guidelines and flying by the seat of their pants!
 
Axoren
Axoren
@doppelgreener That's a horrifying way to fly.
 
Carcer
Carcer
better than flying by the pants of your seat
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
I agree, it's not ergonomic
Being published in and of itself lends legitimacy of "ah, yes, these people have it figured out." We see similar in Magic custom card design sometimes. Someone produces a card with an unusual effect: "you can't do that, that's nuts!" Then Wizards produces a card with a similar but even more nuts effect: "yes, see, magic can do this, this is reasonable."
 
Someone_Evil
Someone_Evil
@Carcer Or seating by the fly of your pants
 
Axoren
Axoren
8:02 PM
The Ranger is one class that seems to have suffered the most from the weakness of the Exploration Pillar. They seemed to fit a role that few-else were even designed to fill.
Now, that kit which is exclusively available to them only matters when the DM decides not to hand-wave travel between areas.
 
NautArch
NautArch
I haven't played at a table that leans into the exploration, but I've tried and found it not very fun in 5e rules. Heck, even mundane tracking of food, water, ammo, etc I don't find adds to the game.
Unless you do a lot to make it meaningful.
 
RevenantBacon
RevenantBacon
@doppelgreener I agree. The only reason homebrew has such a bad reputation is because we as a species tend to judge things by either the best or the worst examples. Which of those two gets picked for any given thing does seem a bit arbitrary though.
 
NautArch
NautArch
But that's a lot of homebrew to make that work.
 
RevenantBacon
RevenantBacon
And homebrew tends to fall to the latter option
I think in the case of D&D homebrew though, "basically core but reflavored" is seen as the best type of homebrew, but also tends to generate the least attention, while flagrantly broken stuff, like getting to cast a level-9 spell for free starting at Wizard level 1 gets more attention
 
Axoren
Axoren
@NautArch Tracking food and water is something we wanted to do for RotFM, but it was less than one session before we gave it the big-ol' FI.
Now, we have a Cleric, Druid, and Druid that are supplying us with plenty because these problems feel better solved at the cost of spell slots than playtime.
Oh, you want to track arrows? Well, I'll just fill the cart with more arrows than I'll use this entire campaign because they're cheap and take up very little space.
 
NautArch
NautArch
8:10 PM
@Axoren Yep, and even then it seems a bit silly for me. It's also weird to make a weapon choice decide whether or not you have a resource to manage.
@Axoren Yep, and with really very few rules about carrying things...it's not a problem.
 
Carcer
Carcer
@NautArch but my emulsions
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
In our Rime campaign we have zero healers.
 
Axoren
Axoren
Shadow of the Demon Lord had a REALLY good approach to this. If you fumble, that's when you track arrows.
 
NautArch
NautArch
@ThomasMarkov I do have to balance that a bit, but it's not a big deal.
 
Axoren
Axoren
In so much as that's when you learn your quiver is empty
And it's VERY thematic
None of this "I can't participate in combat until we get to town and I find a fletcher" it's "I have to refill my quiver at our supplies or switch to another weapon temporarily"
And if you fumble after shooting fewer than 6 arrows? You still have at least as many as would be left in your quiver if you started with 6.
 
NautArch
NautArch
8:13 PM
@Axoren Still hard with the 5e system of, more expertise->more attacks->more chance of fumble issue.
 
Akixkisu
Akixkisu
@BESW I experience difficulties in processing that article - is the essential point about framing action (Like platforming voices instead of no-platforming voices as if voices are entitled to be amplified?)
 
Axoren
Axoren
@NautArch 5e lacks very specific kind of defenses. There's only two real source of subtractive damage reduction (Deflect missiles, Heavy Armor Master). There's only a couple forms of hit reduction (Mirror Image, can't think of any others). As a result, There's very few things that penalize going for lots of small hits.
This makes things like Summoners and Fighters far stronger than normal. This has been a problem historically in D&D. More attacks, more better.
 
kviiri
kviiri
@nitsua60 Yes. The idea of some game just... changing wildly over time felt strange to me when ai first heard about it
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
@Axoren Barbarian rage is a notable example.
 
Axoren
Axoren
@ThomasMarkov That's proportional damage reduction. It has the same proportional effect to damage at all tiers. Whereas reducing damage by 10 could make a fighter's total damage for a round amount to less than 6 damage.
 
kviiri
kviiri
8:21 PM
I guess people who start now might be more used to it as digital games are patched more and more openly than before, providing some sort of precedent
 
Carcer
Carcer
motion to replace "edition" with "sequel"
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
We can delete this answer
(needs a downvote first though)
NVM OP figured it out
 
kviiri
kviiri
@Carcer Interestingly, I was also very weirded out to learn that there's a plot that tries to explain the edition changes. That still feels unintuitive to me, though admittedly that's influenced by my general lens of viewing fiction
 
Carcer
Carcer
@kviiri honestly the way that the Forgotten Realms has some massive magical catastrophe for every edition change is fascinating to me
it amuses and annoys me in equal measure, I think
 
kviiri
kviiri
Are you angrmused by it?
 
Carcer
Carcer
8:25 PM
ammoyed
Dungeons & Dragons
2 Dungeon 2 Dragon
Dungeons & Dragons: Waterdeep Drift
Dungeon & Dragon
Dungeon 5
 
Axoren
Axoren
Paul Walkers of Salt Marsh
 
RevenantBacon
RevenantBacon
You stop that
You stop that right meow
 
kviiri
kviiri
How to tame your Dungeon
 
RevenantBacon
RevenantBacon
Dungeonheart
 
kviiri
kviiri
One of these days I'm making an RPG about sitting on the toilet for too long, I'll call it Dung-eons and Drag-ons
 
Carcer
Carcer
8:32 PM
50 Editions of Dungeon
Double Dungeon!
 
RevenantBacon
RevenantBacon
DungeonLance
 
kviiri
kviiri
But yeah anyway, I've never really felt comfortable with needing the fiction to match perfectly with the mechanics (and therefore, with the need to justify changes in mechanics by the fiction)
 
RevenantBacon
RevenantBacon
Apparently, level 12 spells used to be a thing, then some guy ruined it for everyone by trying to become a god
 
NautArch
NautArch
@RevenantBacon MGS?
 
kviiri
kviiri
A spell to surpass Metal Gear
 
RevenantBacon
RevenantBacon
8:38 PM
We know the Mythals, such as the one in Myth Dranor, were created by level 11 spells, and that's why they cannot be repaired or created anew
Also there were such spells as Iolaums Longevity, and Mavin's Create Volcano
And Breach/Seal Crystal Sphere or WorldWeave
Apparently, Karsus's Avatar, the spell that got Mystra riled up enough tp put a ban on magic higher than level 9, required Tarrasque blood, the gizzard of a gold dragon, and 12-headed hydra bile as some of the ingredients required to enchant just one of the material components.
It would have allowed the caster (the aforementioned Karsus) to temporarily merge themselves with any deity of their choosing, allowing them unfettered access to that deities powers for the duration of the spell. One can see why this would upset Mystra
Huh, Aumvor's Soul Shatter is a neat spell
 
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8:55 PM
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RevenantBacon
RevenantBacon
It takes the targets soul and body, separates them, and sends the soul to the afterlife while the body continues to live
 
Medix2
Medix2
 
NautArch
NautArch
@HotRPGQuestions One step at a time. Left foot, right foot.
 
bobble
bobble
@NautArch what if one has only one foot?
 
NautArch
NautArch
@bobble Hop to it!
 
Axoren
Axoren
9:01 PM
@Medix2 Subtractive damage reduction is really strong so it's good to know there's a list of more stuff
I had to bench my Full-plate Rogue/Barbarian because (x/2 - 3) was too strong of an incoming damage function for most encounters.
 
Medix2
Medix2
@Axoren Well, an outdated and incomplete list, but yes, a list
 
Axoren
Axoren
With an extra Uncanny Dodge for an extra /2
 
Medix2
Medix2
Well, it would be (x-3)/2 not (x/2) - 3
Since resistance is last
 
Axoren
Axoren
There was a ruling somewhere that flat damage reduction was deducted first
 
Medix2
Medix2
Yeah, that's what I just said
But you had it as dividing first
 
Axoren
Axoren
9:04 PM
Wait, did I say that wrong?
 
bobble
bobble
> (x/2 - 3)
 
Axoren
Axoren
Let me first find the ruling I was talking about and bring it up because brain is sore
 
bobble
bobble
is brain ever not sore?
 
Medix2
Medix2
25
Q: Damage reduction and damage resistance: how to calculate?

MindwinAssume a character has both damage reduction and damage resistance vs an incoming attack. One example of damage reduction is the Heavy Armor Master feat: While you are wearing heavy armor, bludgeoning, piercing, and slashing damage that you take from non magical weapons is reduced by 3. On...

dnd-5e damage-resistance damage-reduction
 
Axoren
Axoren
YES, you're right. It's -3 first.
I keep getting the formula wrong, but I know intuitively it's the one that's worse for the defender.
I hard it right, but edited it because I thought I had it wrong.
I should have just left it and been wrong if I was wrong, because I was right and became wrong. This is the worst way to be wrong.
 
bobble
bobble
9:08 PM
There are worse ways to be wrong
 
Medix2
Medix2
Oh that's a great way to phrase it "worse for the defender"
Since it affects vulnerability in the same way
 
 
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OdoThe Oath of Redemption Paladin subclass gets the following feature at 7th level (XGtE, 39): you can shield your allies from harm at the cost of your own health. When a creature within 10 feet of you takes damage, you can use your reaction to magically take that damage, instead of that creature t...

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Glazius
Glazius
10:35 PM
Yay, rep cap!
 
KorvinStarmast
KorvinStarmast
11:23 PM
@Medix2 I received the new book, and it is 17 adventures, one for each level of PC ... I'll be trying out the 6th level adventure on Wednesday and hoping for the best
@NautArch that I have. :) I have it in roll20 since that is where our group (my brother's world) plays ...
@Carcer it would annoy me if I gave a fart about the FR, which I do not. (The novels, a good many of which I read when I was at sea or otherwise deployed are in general ... low grade. A few good ones here and there) ... but the amount of "lore" and half baked world building that the 'official canon' does badly is impressive. 😜
 
Shalvenay
Shalvenay
11:58 PM
@KorvinStarmast no kidding on the half-baked worldbuilding.
 
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