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KorvinStarmast

2:01 PM

Heh, not sure how this one got an up vote.

NautArch

@KorvinStarmast It's almost Vengeance Paladin attitude if you read through it with a certain lens.

Sir Cinnamon

@KorvinStarmast Sounds like the definition of NOT lawful

KorvinStarmast

@SirCinnamon Vengeance Paladins can be lawful. They can be avenging the loss of a war by their kingdom, as an oath source ...

Sir Cinnamon

@KorvinStarmast I guess it depends on what law you follow. I guess its just very obviously not Lawful Good

NautArch

@SirCinnamon Maybe...But they could see it as a necessary act in order to destroy the greater evil.

Sir Cinnamon

2:05 PM

@NautArch Isn't that the epitome of Chaotic Good though?

compromise your rules to fight for the greatest possible good?

I guess i just really hate the chaotic vs lawful alignments spectrum. It's arbitrary when any set of actions could fall under some set of personal codes

KorvinStarmast

@SirCinnamon Command allowed us to defeat some pirates in our last ToA encounter.

NautArch

@SirCinnamon alignment is so wonky. But they're not necessarily compromising their rules. They have accepted losses in pursuit of a greater good.

KorvinStarmast

@SirCinnamon not obvious to me. Lawful Good does not mean "non violent" .... see Roy Greenhilt as one example among thousands.

Yuuki

Being Lawful doesn't mean you obey every single law.

Sir Cinnamon

@KorvinStarmast It's not the violence that strikes me as not lawful, its "abandon some of his kind to eternal suffering"

KorvinStarmast

2:10 PM

@SirCinnamon Hobson's choices happen, but I see your point in re the question that is gonna go bye bye soon enough.

Sir Cinnamon

@Yuuki And being chaotic doesnt mean you break every single law. I don't find the distinction useful, ever

KorvinStarmast

@SirCinnamon I prefer the original, pre two axis, approach. See also comment by nitsua60 here

> what team are you playing for in the existential struggle?

NautArch

Or just let folks do stuff and have the world around them react accordingly.

KorvinStarmast

Gave everyone a lot more room to move and flex. @NautArch That too.

Yuuki

Besides, Paladins don't have to be Lawful Good anymore.

Sir Cinnamon

2:13 PM

@Yuuki We're discussing a question which is strictly asking if a character who did X is lawful good

KorvinStarmast

In original Traveller, I don't recall there being any alignment. But it's been so long since I've played that ... @Yuuki True, but the question being asked posits that particular alignment.

Yuuki

@SirCinnamon That's not really how I read the question, tbh.

Sir Cinnamon

@Yuuki Well i flipped it I suppose, "Would a lawful good character do X"

But its gone now

Yuuki

I read it as "would a lawful good character do X?", I see a small difference between that and "is a character who does X lawful good?". Namely in that the former case, there exists the answer "yes but they're not lawful good anymore".

Sir Cinnamon

@Yuuki Does the act change your alignment or do you do the act because your alignment has changed? I would say the latter.

Yuuki

2:20 PM

Depends on whether you view alignment as a judgment on your actions/beliefs or a personality trait.

Sir Cinnamon

True

NautArch

@KorvinStarmast With regard to this question, guessing what problem the DM or Players may have isn't a game we should play :)

If we're guessing, then we're Opinion-Based. If we don't know, it's Unclear.

KorvinStarmast

@NautArch If the new DM perceives a problem, and an experienced DM can see that they are heading in an unproductive direction, then as enkryptor and I did, you can challenge the frame of the question and propose a direction to take. I think that's what we both did based on the question as presented.

Rubiksmoose

Speaking of unclear: Do people think this question should be VTCed for that reason? For one, we don't know if this is a PC or monster which changes things. I think at least.

Also the top answer does not seem to answer the question at all.

NautArch

@KorvinStarmast DM is perceiving a potential problem, but hasn't identified what that problem is. That's how I'm reading it.

Which makes it "Oh, it oculd be this, do this. No, it could be this, do this!"

KorvinStarmast

2:30 PM

@NautArch He sees the barbarian looting during combat as a problem, or he'd not have asked how to deal with it.

See the title

NautArch

But I could see a case for leaving it open with a frame challenge.

KorvinStarmast

He's a new DM, and is asking for expert input on solving a problem (or what he perceives as a problem). I do wish he'd have added some of that stuff in comments ointo the question, though.