TRPG General Chat

7:00 PM

@ColinGross my pleasure. Your answer is exactly what I would have said. I'd +1 again if I could

I can see why the OP might think rage should up the DC. Maybe in 3.5 it would have.

However, we're still calculating all the modifiers from the first 3.5 encounter ever run... so might take a while to get to

David Coffron

@ColinGross my variant polymorph/wild shape/alter self rules would change the DC

It basically makes the starting creature more important in determining the traits of the resulting creature. Part of my realism rules

Colin Gross

@DavidCoffron Heck, I would argue that the beast forms can't even use the grapple action available to humanoid characters unless they had the same appendage arrangement... so apes.

@DavidCoffron Interesting.

KorvinStarmast

7:15 PM

@ColinGross Kiss principle is "use beast form from beast stat block" but for wild shape, the druid keeps wis/int/cha stats, so your idea that Druid Wild Shaped to Ape would benefit from rage makes sense to me, given the same anthro set up. With beast grapple as a save, and the PC grapple is a contest, I am not sure how the numbers on that stack up.

Colin Gross

@KorvinStarmast with rage, you always want advantage unless the other option is +6

err... take advantage unless the other option is +6

kviiri

Today in Curse of Strahd: another fetch quest, a major quest completed, and some bloody but good random encounters

Also a lot of puns about hands, but sadly most of those won't translate well :)

David Coffron

@KorvinStarmast except for some beastss can grapple as part of the attack while PC grapple is a full action

KorvinStarmast

@DavidCoffron Yeah, you'd really have to get down to cases. That's why I mentioned the anthro thing ... but my preference is KISS principle as noted above.

Arrgh, I just recalled that Giant Ape is not a wild shapeable choice for Moon Druid. CR 7. :( No King Kong unless polymorph spell is used ...

Colin Gross

7:32 PM

@KorvinStarmast Ape is. They have the same abilities. Giant ape is just a stronger version.

I GM'd for a monk that would change into ape so he could still use monk unarmed strike. I previously ruled against Kung-Fu panda.

nitsua60

@ColinGross I've let non-humanoids grapple before. Most aggressive species, at least, have a way of impacting something else's movement: canines worry at the limbs, constrictors entangle, felines go for the throat....

Colin Gross

@nitsua60 Yeah. I figure most could grapple. Probably wouldn't let a fish grapple.

Horse... probably not either.

nitsua60

@ColinGross True. And I'd probably give a fish advantage (if not even more) on the escape check =)

Colin Gross

@nitsua60 Ha!

nitsua60

@ColinGross Are we talking druid-horse, or horse-horse?

Colin Gross

7:37 PM

Especially if it was larger than the grappler usually catches.

KorvinStarmast

How do you say "You should have seen the one that got away" in Sahuagin?

Colin Gross

@nitsua60 Both. Horses are terrible wrestlers.

@KorvinStarmast I dunno, but it's probably racist in that context.

nitsua60

@ColinGross I dunno. I've seen... some videos that convince me those forelegs and their mass can do a lot. If a horse wanted to stop me moving I'm pretty sure it could. But I'm pretty sure a "natural" horse wouldn't usually act that way. (Vs. a druid-horse or a compelled or evil-spirit horse, for instance.)

Colin Gross

@nitsua60 Still probably a bridge too far to call anything like that a grapple.

nitsua60

All a grapple does is restrict movement to zero, mechanically. I'd say nailing your shoe to the floor is, technically, a grapple.

David Coffron

7:43 PM

@ColinGross doesn't pc grappling require a free hand. Horses don't have hands

Colin Gross

@DavidCoffron Good point.

That simplifies the heck out of it. House rules for anything without hands.

Maximillian

@nitsua60 Or the rare horse-druid?

BESW

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Q: Can a horse start a grapple?

I know it defies suspension of disbelief, but what official rule can I show a rules lawyer player that "proves" a horse can't start a grapple? If the answer needs to distinguish between animal companions, paladin's warhorses, polymorphed player characters, etc then please cover all the cases. A...

Colin Gross

@BESW I'll add that as one more reason I don't play 3.5 anymore.

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BESW

7:52 PM

I mean, 3.5 grapple rules are terrible, but allowing horses to use their physical bulk to restrain someone isn't a stretch by any means.

Colin Gross

@BESW Restrain and grapple are different things in 5e.

If the target is prone and the horse steps on them... sure. Resolve that as a grapple, but that seems one-off enough to not be in a rule allowing horse to grapple outright.

nitsua60

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Maximillian

Allowing a horse to suplex on the other hand...

Rubiksmoose

@Maximillian I never buy a horse unless it can duplex and do color.

Colin Gross

@Rubiksmoose stapling is an optional feature for your horses? I couldn't live without it.

nitsua60

8:00 PM

extends battery life, correct?

Maximillian

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FreezePhoenix

They are?

Rubiksmoose

@ColinGross I requested it, but I got stabling instead due to a typo.

David Coffron

@TheOracle wait really? I didn't know that

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trogdor

8:50 PM

@BESW a horse IRL could technically do that but good luck teaching one to and then relying on it to "hit" every time XD

Stupid grapple rules

BESW

@trogdor Warhorse.

trogdor

True, . Those have existed

And they were at least sometimes trained to trample

Right?

Perhaps "horse grappling" isn't a stretch from that starting point

BESW

Some were trained to trample fallen enemies; some were trained (or at least encouraged) to bite and kick.

KorvinStarmast

@nitsua60 Anecdotal evidence that some horses can grapple in panels 9, 10, and 11

doppelgreener

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Q: Can a horse start a grapple?

I know it defies suspension of disbelief, but what official rule can I show a rules lawyer player that "proves" a horse can't start a grapple? If the answer needs to distinguish between animal companions, paladin's warhorses, polymorphed player characters, etc then please cover all the cases. A...

dnd-3.5e grapple rules-as-written

:D

Rubiksmoose

9:13 PM

Woof this homebrew centaur looks OP to me. Unarmed strike doing 2d6+STR and with a chance to push back on a hit.

doppelgreener

> It'll be the rest of his tribe that you didn't realize was surrounding you until they've buried their arrows in you.

stealth centaurs

stealth herd ambushes is not the kind of thing i usually associate with centaurs

Sir Cinnamon

@Rubiksmoose With an extra d8 if youve charged

doppelgreener

especially since horses are animals of plains...

Sir Cinnamon

youre liable to 1 shot everything at level 1

Rubiksmoose

@SirCinnamon who needs weapons? lol

Sir Cinnamon

9:21 PM

"They have been known to weigh between 1000 and 2500 pounds. " I lie down on the enemy

he perishes

"Your base walking speed is 50 feet unarmored"

OKAY NO

Rubiksmoose

@SirCinnamon hahaha

Sir Cinnamon

I'm a level 4 centaur monk, I outrun a dashing enemy with my base speed

Rubiksmoose

The kicker (pun intended) this is the second result when you google dnd 5e centaur. :( The first result is d20 entry rfor the centaur monster.

Sir Cinnamon

"Unless your hooves are in some way obscured, you have disadvantage on Stealth checks when walking on hard surfaces, such as stone, brick, or glass."

i wear socks everywhere

Rubiksmoose

Yeah this centaur would make a great monk I think

or...anything really.

Sir Cinnamon

9:25 PM

quora.com/How-much-weight-does-it-take-to-crush-a-human-body

this is a little morbid but proves my point - half the weight of a centaur can crush a person in 30 minutes. 2500 lbs of weight would be... immense. Not that 5e has mechanics for that but its a hard position to argue as a DM

"I stand on the prone enemy with 1 foot, it goes straight through his chest right?"
"No because.... not fun..."

Doesnt speak common

Rubiksmoose

@SirCinnamon maybe not for him, but its great fun for me.

@SirCinnamon which is always a fun touch lol

Sir Cinnamon

This race is def a bit OP

Rubiksmoose

Doesn't really have any downsides IMO.

Sir Cinnamon

Fastest base class, insane unarmed attacks, a charge ability, Large

Rubiksmoose