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2:00 PM

But I'm also of the opinion that we have too many available weapons, and they should really just be:
Simple: choose bludgeoning, slashing, or piercing. 1d4, 1d6, or two handed 1d8
Martial: same kind of thing, up to 1d12/2d6
Special (Marital): Whip, Net, etc

David Coffron

@Rubiksmoose I mean the tag part is certainly useful

Rubiksmoose

@DavidCoffron Oh yeah I mean the RAW vs homebrew. Tag suggestions certainly are helpful (and I had that same concern actually

David Coffron

@goodguy5 weapon variety is good though. Martial characters could use another way to differentiate themselves

Yuuki

@goodguy5 Or you could just invest a bunch of ~~money~~ spell slots at the beginning of the year into your flex spellcasting account.

@goodguy5 Look, whatever you get up to on your wedding night is your business.

I don't need to know about whips and nets.

Colin Gross

@goodguy5 And ranged

Rubiksmoose

2:09 PM

@Yuuki hahahaha!

David Coffron

@goodguy5 what is the goal of this at all? You could make a variant sorcerer feature that changes damage type or spell effect that replaces metamagic feature if that's what you want

Rubiksmoose

> Special (Marital): Whip, Net, etc

Yuuki

@DavidCoffron How do you define weapon variety though? I think a better idea for weapons is forgoing prescriptive lists that give you a selection of weapons in favor of descriptive traits in the vein of @goodguy5's example.

David Coffron

@Yuuki then how do you decide how much damage a weapon does? It becomes a bit too table dependent and organized play is part of the goals of 5e

Derpy

(..... argh.... Why had I to realize that the small version of Yuuki avatar kinda looks like the Yuuki from Tokyo Magnitude 8)

NautArch

2:13 PM

@goodguy5 how do you balance that massive incrase in power? Sorcery points (and a LOT of them?)

David Coffron

@Yuuki besides you can just be descriptive and use a weapon that acts like a listed one anyway (improvised weapon rules)

Yuuki

@DavidCoffron Yeah, we're halfway there. Might as well go all the way because there are definitely people that get stuck on "well, a longsword is a longsword, I don't have any options for a bastard sword".

Even though the versatile property of the longsword is basically the same as the identifying feature of the 3.5e bastard sword.

David Coffron

A bastard sword IS a Longsword

Yuuki

You try explaining that to someone who is really intent on "longswords != bastard swords".

(it won't end well)

David Coffron

They are two slightly different designs for a similar functioning weapon

(That is if you use the German understanding of what a longsword is. Other "longsword"s are completely different)

NautArch

2:18 PM

@Rubiksmoose Is it worth it in the Magic Missile question to include target requirements and xanathar's suggestions?

Rubiksmoose

@NautArch I think it isn't necessary but may bolster the argument.

I can see potentially not finding the difference between spell attacks and magic missile not compelling I suppose if you are intent on the other interpretation, but the creature targeting of mm does make it more compelling.

David Coffron

I wonder if they'll release guidance for spell creation like they did for monster creation (break it down to a number of criteria that approximate required spell level/component cost)

goodguy5

@NautArch at higher levels, how is damage type variety a "massive increase in power"?

Yuuki

And if you look at the weapon tables, you can see some themes that @goodguy5 pointed out: Simple weapons are 1d6 unless they are light (1d4) or two-handed (1d8).

goodguy5

^

Yuuki

2:23 PM

Martial weapons are weirder because two-handed weapons are either 1d12 or 2d6.

Delioth

Which system are we on in this discussion?

Yuuki

Or 1d10.

goodguy5

but those have special qualities. like reach

A Very Large Bear

5e

Yuuki

@goodguy5 Yeah, I guess the only homebrew ruling you'd have to make for a descriptive weapons list is pricing.

Incidentally, I find it interesting that longswords are versatile but morningstars are not and they cost the same amount.

Helwar

2:26 PM

@Sdjz you 1-up-ed my answer :P

Yuuki

There's also no martial piercing weapon that's versatile.

NautArch

@goodguy5 Given that Elemental Weapon is a 3rd level spell only given to paladins and subclasses of CLeric and Warlock, it's a big deal to be able to pick a damage type.

Rubiksmoose

@OneCritWonder Sorry about your edit. I think it was canceled because of my edit at the same time. I did implement some of the things you suggested though after I saw it.

NautArch

@Rubiksmoose added

Sdjz

@Helwar Still beat me by like 20 seconds :)

goodguy5

2:27 PM

@NautArch yea, to make all weapon attacks add elemental damage. that's a different scope of issue.

NautArch

@goodguy5 Well, sort of. It's the idea of being able to target a creature with a specific damage type becaus you know it's vulnerable.

goodguy5

Would it make sorcerers/casters more versatile? yes, sure would.

Would it be game breaking? no, I don't think so.

Rubiksmoose

@NautArch Excellent update. I have already updooted, but I think the update will attract more updoots than the old one would have.

NautArch

For martials, it's changing their weapon to add a specific damage type. Yes, you get the +1to attack, but it's also the 1d4 damage - at the cost of a 3rd level concentration spell. ANd paladins don't get those until 9 level.

goodguy5

but, someone mentioned earlier making it a sorcerer subclass and I like that a lot.

David Coffron

2:30 PM

@goodguy5 I said variant but subclass would work too. Depends on how you want to approach it

eimyr

Hiya, folks

NautArch

@goodguy5 I always felt that the versatility is in sorcery points. YOu could create a metagmic that does this.

goodguy5

hiya eimyr

@NautArch that's kinda what I'm saying.

NautArch

I think that's the better way, and give it a BIG cost (it's not just 1d4 damage that being added, but changing the damage type completely)

sort of like the arcana wizard UA class where they can change the saving throw type/

goodguy5

but this is all theoretical theorycrafting.

David Coffron

2:32 PM

@goodguy5 has anyone played with the UA lore mastery wizard? That'd give us some background on how powerful an effect like that is

eimyr

How's the chat been lately? All good?

goodguy5

are there any questions about allowing cantrips to be upcast with spell slots?

eimyr

I can see plenty of new faces (well, not new, just unfamiliar)

goodguy5

@eimyr yea

Yuuki

As long as we're crafting spells, could I make a temporary "drain level on self" debuff spell that I could use to temporarily be 1st level and then gain a disproportionate amount of EXP for encounters?

David Coffron

2:32 PM

@goodguy5 there's one on is it allowed (I don't know about any balance questions)

@Yuuki no. Level is not malleable like it is in other editions. That would do weird meta things

goodguy5

@Yuuki in 5e? no. current character level does not have an effect on XP gain like in 3.x

Yuuki

I'm trying to remember other broken custom spells from Elder Scrolls.

eimyr

@Yuuki Broken magic from Elder Scrolls: the enchantments that increase the enchanting skill

goodguy5

anyone want to help me with this wording?

How can I balance upcasting cantrips?

or something similar

eimyr

that's probably a bit too broad as it is

Delioth

2:37 PM

@Yuuki Wearing like 8 items that each have the weakest enchantment of Chameleon, ~15% per item IIRC, which stacked up to "complete and total invisibility, always on"

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